[00:02] <mcphail> sturmflut2: If you're keen to get a proper IRC app working, the quassel backend runs on the phone (and can keep running in the background). Just needs someone clever to write/port a frontend
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[08:59] <sturmflut> dholbach: Good morning!
[09:09] <pstolowski> popey, hey, do you know who has powers to pull a broken package from ubu store?
[09:25] <pstolowski> popey, ok, nvm, i'm talking to the respective person
[09:35] <popey> pstolowski, sorry, was afk
[10:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Day for the Abolition of Slavery! 😃
[12:09] <mtk300> How do I enable multi touch on a screen/touchscreen running ubuntu?
[12:13] <davmor2> mtk300: it already is that is how pinch to zoom works
[12:15] <mtk300> davmor2: Then how do I enable pinch/zoom. I only currently have single touch.
[12:15] <davmor2> mtk300: what device?
[12:18] <mtk300> davmor2: It is a development setup. I have a 10 inch screen with the n-trig overlay. The processing comes from a raspberry pi running ubuntu.
[12:19] <davmor2> mtk300: ah then it might be a driver flaw in that case. The driver on my dell xps 13  is working on X server with pinch to zoom, as are all the mobile devices we support
[12:20] <davmor2> mtk300: not sure who would be best to help you debug it either sorry
[12:21] <mtk300> davmor2: Thanks anyway.
[14:55] <jgdx> jhodapp, hey, is there a media hub dbus api unconfined services can use to play sounds?
[14:58] <jhodapp> jgdx, what do you mean by unconfined in this instance...what are you trying to do?
[14:59] <jgdx> jhodapp, I want to play a sound from ubuntu-push using media hub
[14:59] <jhodapp> jgdx, can't you just use the QtMultimedia Audio component?
[14:59] <jgdx> jhodapp, sure, but it's go
[15:00] <jgdx> I'd much rather use dbus
[15:00] <jhodapp> jgdx, that's not currently supported, only qtubuntu-media directly uses the media-hub client library
[15:01] <jhodapp> jgdx, the plan is to have a platform-api set of calls to do exactly what you want, but nobody has ever created it
[15:02] <jgdx> jhodapp, right. Okay, I'll go for qtmultimedia.
[15:02] <jgdx> jhodapp, thanks!
[15:02] <jhodapp> jgdx, np, good luck
[15:15] <tvoss> jgdx, why would push play a sound?
[15:17] <tvoss> jgdx, that's the job of the notifications, isn't it?
[15:17] <jgdx> tvoss, push code does not make that distinction currently.
[15:18] <tvoss> jgdx, hmmm, so I got the impression that you are adding that feature to the push daemon on the phone, wondering why
[15:18] <jgdx> tvoss, no, the feature is there, but it's broken.
[15:18] <jgdx> tvoss, are you saying I could use a notification api and have it play sounds?
[15:18] <tvoss> jgdx, hmmm, do you have a link handy?
[15:19] <jgdx> tvoss, 2 sec
[15:19] <tvoss> jgdx, well, push used to be responsible for receiving data and handing out data to helpers, that's it
[15:19] <tvoss> jgdx, the helpers would then translate to notifications, which can also carry sound hints
[15:19] <tvoss> Saviq, correct me if I'm wrong please ^
[15:20] <jgdx> oh man I'd love to rip the sound stuff out, if that's the case.
[15:21] <jgdx> tvoss, here postal has a concept of a Presenter [1], and one of those is "sound" [2]. [1] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/ubuntu-push/automatic/view/head:/client/service/postal.go#L172 [2] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/ubuntu-push/automatic/view/head:/sounds/sounds.go#L45
[15:22] <Saviq> tvoss, jgdx, notifications can play sounds yes
[15:23] <Saviq> tvoss, it won't be as simple as that, soon, because with the redesign of notifications we'll need a central place where they get stored (across reboots), re-triggered on demand and a few other things, unity8 needs to become just the renderer for whatever the "post office" tells it to display - on the greeter, as a bubble, in the messaging indicator etc.
[15:25] <Saviq> and yeah, we need to decide on where all the different bits and pieces live - waking the device up, turning the screen on (with{,out} proximity) etc.
[15:25] <tvoss> Saviq, sure, that's the post office
[15:25] <tvoss> the central place
[15:25] <Saviq> yes
[15:26] <tvoss> but yes, we need to actually write that stuff down
[15:26] <Saviq> should likely deal with incoming push, too, no need for a separate thing to deal just with push
[15:30] <tvoss> Saviq, yup
[15:30] <tvoss> Saviq, push is just one source
[15:30] <jgdx> what are the time frames here? Should we not invest in fixing push?
[15:31] <jgdx> tvoss, ^
[15:32] <jgdx> kenvandine, what's the story on custom notification sounds?
[15:34] <tvoss> Saviq, I *thought* that push right now would just assemble a notification and hand it over to the notification service, which happens to be implementedby unity, which then plays the sound
[15:34] <tvoss> kenvandine, jgdx ^
[17:53] <kenvandine> popey, is there a trick to get music-app to work on the desktop?  it's not finding any of my music in ~/Music
[17:53] <kenvandine> or anyone :)
[17:59] <dobey> kenvandine: do you have mediascanner-2.0 running?
[17:59] <kenvandine> yup
[17:59] <dobey> kenvandine: is the db corrupt? :)
[17:59] <kenvandine> i removed it all
[17:59] <kenvandine> and started over
[17:59] <kenvandine> just tells me to import music :/
[18:00] <dobey> huh. i'd expect it should work as long as nothing is wrong with mediascanner, and it scanned your music
[18:01] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:01] <kenvandine> how can i confirm mediascanner scanned my music?
[18:02] <dobey> open the db with sqlite3 and check the contents of the tables i guess?
[18:03] <dobey> is your hdd light going crazy? :)
[18:03] <kenvandine> ok... that's it
[18:03] <kenvandine> no music in the db
[18:03] <kenvandine> but there are pictures
[18:34] <popey> kenvandine, is your music dir called ~/Music ? and tail the mediascanner log and see if its running or dying
[18:34] <popey> (It dies under some circumstances, like if you have webm videos on the machine)
[18:34] <popey> (that bug may be fixed, others may still be apparent)
[18:35] <kenvandine> popey, it is ~/Music
[18:35] <kenvandine> log only lists entries in ~/Pictures
[18:36] <kenvandine> and the process is running
[18:36] <kenvandine> popey, i do have webm videos somewhere, but it's not dying
[18:37] <popey> kenvandine, maybe it just hasn't got to your music yet?
[18:37] <popey> it's not the fastest daemon
[18:37] <popey> especially when you have 12 years of photos on your machine
[18:37] <kenvandine> been a few hours :)
[18:38] <kenvandine> the tail doesn't look active
[18:38] <kenvandine> and actually... mediascanner-2.0 was running before i even tried running music-app
[18:38] <kenvandine> not something i just started, i guess it's been running for a while
[18:38] <popey> I think it uses some xdirs thing in .config to determine what folders to scan
[18:38] <kenvandine> i'm running vivid+overlay
[18:38] <popey> so if it's not scanning music that may be why
[18:39] <kenvandine> XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/"
[18:39] <kenvandine> wtf!
[18:40] <popey> hahaha
[18:40]  * popey points and laughs
[18:40] <popey> bet you deleted your ~/Music at some point in the past
[18:40] <popey> (I did this too)
[18:40] <popey> and it did the same to me
[18:40] <kenvandine> years ago it was a symlink
[18:40] <kenvandine> but i moved that to a regular directory like in natty...
[18:40] <kenvandine> this has been broken for a really long time :)
[18:41] <kenvandine> banshee never complained :)
[18:41]  * kenvandine ducks
[18:42] <popey> Mono is evil. Etc.
[18:43] <davmor2> popey: I disagree Stereo is evil particularly if one speaker breaks
[18:44] <popey> St                        ereo
[18:49] <kenvandine> haha
[18:49] <kenvandine> popey, ok... so that worked
[18:50] <popey> Sweet!
[18:50] <kenvandine> not playing the music now, but i assume that's because i don't have media-hub installed :)
[18:52] <kenvandine> installing media-hub didn't fix that... popey, ideas?
[18:53] <kenvandine> although i have enough working for my current need, importing ringtones in settings :)
[18:53] <popey> run it from terminal and see what it's doing?
[18:53] <kenvandine> i am, nothing output that seems to reflect that it's not playing
[18:53] <kenvandine> it thinks it's playing, just no sound
[18:54] <kenvandine> ah ha!
[18:54] <kenvandine> weird, qmlscene was turned all the way down to 0
[18:54] <kenvandine> anyway... thanks!
[19:52] <khomfy> hello
[19:53] <khomfy> is there any possibility to install spideroack on the bq e5 ubuntuphone?
[19:56] <khomfy> i tryed to install it from the website and the phone says that there is no application that can handle this type of content
[20:37] <tedg> What is the channel so that I can get the Xenial builds on my mako?
[20:39] <dobey> devel-proposed
[20:39] <dobey> but pretty sure it's not working
[20:40] <tedg> Cool, so confused with all the channel names :-)
[20:40] <tedg> Eh, I figured it was "mostly broken," but that's okay for now.
[20:40] <tedg> Not a daily driver thing.
[20:40] <dobey> i'm not sure it boots yet :)
[20:41] <tedg> Hmm, devel-proposed didn't require downloading anything. Seems odd it'd be in my cache.
[20:46] <dobey> ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu would be the full channel name
[20:50] <jgdx> dobey, I'm trying to land automatic -> vivid-overlay. It seems I have to cherry pick fixes?
[20:51] <dobey> jgdx: don't do that
[20:51] <jgdx> the former or the latter?
[20:51] <dobey> jgdx: do a dual landing
[20:51] <dobey> jgdx: either
[20:51] <dobey> land to trunk with dual landing
[20:51] <jgdx> Wellark, that's just great!
[20:51] <jgdx> dobey, well*
[22:00] <sveppir> hi, I just got an ubuntu phone and want to get my hands dirty on some coding.  First thing is the icelandic keyboard that is unusable.  How do I proceed?  I have joined launchapd, but there is no discussion there.  Sorry if this is not the right venue for this type of question.  I'm still trying to figure out where the famous ubuntu community hangs out
[22:03] <dobey> sveppir: if there's a problem with the icelandic keyboard, i guess you probably need to file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard about the issues
[22:03] <dobey> well, one or more bugs, depending on how many issues there are :)
[22:04] <sveppir> cool
[22:04] <sveppir> it just looks randomly generated
[22:05] <k1l> thats what icelandic looks as a language to me :)
[22:08] <sveppir> haha, there is still a need for structure at the base of that randomness
[22:08] <sveppir> Bug has been filed
[22:09] <sveppir> I wanted to fix it on my phone
[22:09] <sveppir> got the ubuntu-sdk, branched the keyboard, changed the layout, but am having troubles building it
[22:10] <sveppir> latest one is : :-1: error: cannot find -lubuntu_application_api
[22:23] <mcphail> sveppir: I think Elleo makes the keyboard. He may be able to give you more build instructions?
[22:29] <sveppir> thanks, I'll ping him
[22:30] <mcphail> sveppir: looks as if he is afk just now. Always best to ask in European office hours - most people are around then
[22:37] <sveppir> thanks mcphail, I'll check on him tomorrow then
[22:46] <a10b87a10feea58e> Is this commit going to get merged? http://askubuntu.com/questions/674179/ubuntu-device-flash-fails-on-nexus-7-2013-android-5-0-2-cant-copy-image-to
[22:47] <a10b87a10feea58e> Hardware: "rev_e" needs it
[22:49] <dobey> what commit?
[22:51] <dobey> afaik, compat with android 5 is being worked on. when that compatibility is fixed so should the ability to flash to a device with android 5 already on it
[22:51] <a10b87a10feea58e> The one in the answer. From Asus
[22:51] <dobey> if you want an easy workaround, flash android 4.4 onto the device, and then flash ubuntu onto it
[22:52] <a10b87a10feea58e> Ubuntu uses the original os?
[22:52] <dobey> oh, though if the hardware changed, then it might indeed require kernel changes
[22:52] <a10b87a10feea58e> Anyway older kernels can't boot rev e. You need to change one if statement, then its fine
[22:54] <a10b87a10feea58e> The version changed to 6 for emmc. I don't know anything about emmc but the Asus commit works in android world, so it should in Ubuntu touch
[22:54] <dobey> no, the change is from 6 to 7
[22:54] <a10b87a10feea58e> Yeah.
[22:56] <dobey> ubuntu is built using the stock android kernel, but i don't know when it was last rebuilt for that device.
[22:56] <dobey> that change seems weird to me too
[22:56] <a10b87a10feea58e> Which android kernel?
[22:56] <a10b87a10feea58e> There's loads
[22:56] <dobey> not the 5.x kernel
[22:57] <dobey> as i said, compatibility with android 5 is being worked on, afaik
[22:57] <dobey> but all our images are based on the android 4.4 trees at the moment
[22:59] <a10b87a10feea58e> That commit won't go straight to 4.4 branch, so that might be an issue. But if you don't change anything from googles flo kernel I think it should be able to boot 5 kernel with 4.4 device
[23:00] <a10b87a10feea58e> Do you have a gerrit for touch?
[23:00] <dobey> there are some small changes to the kernel, to enable apparmor and such
[23:00] <dobey> i don't know, i don't work on the kernel or supporting new devices
[23:01] <a10b87a10feea58e> Don't blame you, stay as far away as possible
[23:01] <a10b87a10feea58e> Hard enough in android land, touch is all new to me
[23:04] <dobey> anyway, i have to go
[23:05] <a10b87a10feea58e> Thanks anyway