[03:09] oh no! humpty dumpty fell off his wall! [04:54] diddledan_: D: not his wall! [04:54] also you appear to have clones [04:54] yes! his wall! [04:55] that's just diddledan, always cloning around... [04:55] hehe yeah, if i had a guernsey £1 note for every time... [04:55] hmm i'm debating going down the working man's cafe when it opens at 6am for a good fry up! [04:57] you'd have a lot of money that would take forever to spend on mainland as you'd have to explain it's real money each and every time... :-) [04:57] it's refused :( [04:58] i thought it was like northern ireland or scottish money, legit in england? [05:00] don't be silly. he prints them himself [05:01] i got roped into going to a clients' cleaners place to look at a dodgy router in a house shared by about 8 Latvian immigrant folks [05:01] halp... [05:04] oh dear === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [05:15] hmm some place predicts that by 2017 SSDs will cost only 7p per GB more than HDDs [05:16] sounds about right [05:16] i _might_ have ssd by then :-) [05:16] 1TB SSDs are €200 now [05:19] 3D NAND has been the saviour for sure [05:20] so Mozilla are giving Thunderbird the chop :O [05:20] i miss hardcards... a hard disk stuck on a wafer thin daughter board wobbling over your mother board like a sword of damocles... :-) [05:25] I want an NVMe epeen [05:25] moar disk! [05:26] i find it odd how i had to update that thar Surface [05:26] still had to select to murder the old OS backup in disk cleanup, too [05:27] do the factory reset type options do much on surfaces? [06:09] I'm dirty [06:09] I'm messing about with visual studio [06:10] D: [06:10] never played with surface wiping options then, sir? [06:10] nope [06:11] your kitchen must be a bacteria playground! ;D [06:11] :-p [06:12] it hardens the immune system... and they have shares in andrex... :-P [09:04] hello all [09:05] Morning all [09:05] howdy davmor2 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:46] morning boys and girls. [09:47] g'day [09:48] o/ [09:48] morning bashrc_ and daftykins [09:49] no sign of the posties :( [09:50] :( [09:51] daftykins: waiting for goodies? [09:52] mmhmm [09:54] an SSD that was on amazon's deals, a Nexus 5 LCD from China and more [09:59] I was impressed by the speed the Moto360 made its way from China [09:59] I think we ordered it on Thursday evening and it arrived yesterday [10:03] free shipping off ebay here, so it said 1-17 December [10:27] Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Day for the Abolition of Slavery! 😃 [10:47] JamesTait: not exactly slavery but I think the sentiment is right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU [10:48] JamesTait: and then there is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1CMCtV4to which is a slavery people don't mind so much ;) [10:58] I can't remember the name of the pdf annotation app that I used years and years ago... gah [11:03] Myrtti: foxit/okular/xournal/evince all do it off the top of my head [11:03] xournal, thassit [11:04] I don't think evince does any [11:06] Myrtti: https://help.gnome.org/users/evince/stable/annotations.html.en [11:06] Myrtti: just not so pretty [11:07] Myrtti: glad to be of help anyway :) [11:08] ah right [11:08] thank you [11:16] IME Okular is the best Linux PDF viewer that does annotations [11:16] The evince annotations are done in an external file and don't translate to Adobe's PDF reader [11:16] Okular annotations are done in the standard PDF/A way and do carry over [11:24] awilkins: personally I think pdftk is the best ;) [11:25] awilkins: xournal is the same iirc [11:25] Xournal is a PDF viewer? [11:26] And pdftk is Windows only AFAICT [11:26] doctor's wants some of my papers and I needed to translate them a bit, so annotations it is [11:27] awilkins: sudo apt install pdftk it was on linux first ;) [11:28] Those wags at PDF Labs [11:28] awilkins: it's a cli tool that uses cat seriously you think that was a windows only tool :) [11:28] I think combined media notetaking apps are sadly deficient, TBH [11:28] But I don;t have a coherent plan to improve them without thinking hard about it [11:29] awilkins: I think most of the tutuorials you find online are windows only cause linux users know how to read man pages and use --help :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:31] wow, good guy zuckerburg === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:42] * SuperEngineer notices his name must be in code in Zuckerburg's letter as it's not mentioned specifically- supposes he doesn't want to embarrass me [13:44] people need to stop using foo [13:44] found a file /tmp/foo with 2 different logs in [13:44] somebody did a blah > /tmp/foo [13:44] somebody else did a script that opened /tmp/foo and wrote more stuff [13:45] would you rather they used /tmp/barry foobarry? [13:45] yes [13:45] ;-) [13:57] they could use foobar [13:57] its all naughty [13:58] use proper file names in production [13:58] foobarry: no [13:58] :0 [13:59] foobarry: the issue is lots of people just copy paste the examples from the internet without thinking I'll call the file x.log instead of foo [14:00] this was a script written inhouse [14:01] not sure if my biggest gripe is that foo is undescriptive as a log name, or is common so might get splatted by another unimaginative person [14:07] Bit of nboth probably foobarry [14:07] -n [14:12] You would hate to see all our internal and customer servers, you'd probably scream ( i do :D ) [14:18] been screaming a lot already today [14:45] ny NFS server is extremly slow [14:45] like bytes/sec instead of 1Gb/s [14:45] something is afoot [14:46] I've never got on with NFS, then again not used it in years [14:46] Always had issues with speeds [14:51] I use NFS for my storage/backup solutions, it seems ok for what I want until I just get a single NAS and remove all my servers [14:52] gonna use async option [15:02] bigcalm: hadn't checked on letsencypt for a while, ta fanx [15:02] Set up and ready to try tomorrow night :) [15:06] my website is signed by let's encrypt [15:06] I found a bug in it, submitted a patch, and then got it accepted :) [15:07] it didn't like TLDs longer than 6 characters, but with the new TLDs, they can be as long as 63 [15:07] .digital was just too longer for LE until I came along ;) [15:07] Good man :) opensource in action [15:10] I was dead proud of myself :) [15:10] it's a shame it's still in closed beta, but it's quite easy to find the form [15:12] m00 [15:13] it goes public tomorrow afaik [15:14] how do i know if my nfs mount is async or sync? [15:14] doesn't want to tell me [15:14] yup it does, at 6pm on the 3rd GMT [15:14] if it doesn't tell you, it's the default [15:14] which you could probably find by running "man mount.nfs" [15:15] yeah, nothing there [15:15] * diddledan still messing in MS Visual Studio >.< [15:15] it's actually not bad [15:16] foobarry: man nfs might tell you [15:16] diddledan: don't make me get out of this chair..... [15:16] I think it's in async mode [15:16] "If neither sync nor async is specified (or if the async option is specified), the NFS client..." [15:16] davmor2, I hear that. sitting ftw [15:17] which suggests async is the default [15:17] i was just reading that bit [15:17] doesn't look like async is my problem then [15:18] have you tried doing cat /etc/mtab? [15:18] that should expand all the options beyond just their defaults [15:18] though I could be wrong [15:18] rw,relatime,vers=4.0,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=192.168.42.15,local_lock=none,addr=192.168.42.21 0 0 [15:18] win 9 [15:19] I'm almost certain async is the default [15:19] but you've moved on past that, obviously [15:50] oh dear, that global-ish message doesn't sound fun [15:51] "appears a hub went boom"!! [15:55] they're pretty quick kon the notification there [15:55] 10 minutes it's very good [15:56] indeed. very good response for a volunteer effort [15:57] wussat? [15:58] daftykins, freenode is broke [15:58] daftykins, someone lost a hub [15:59] ah [15:59] * daftykins checks the status window [15:59] there it is! [16:01] they've been taken over by the peoples front of judea... [16:01] the popular peoples front of judea** [16:01] not to be confused with the peoples front of popular judea [16:02] nah, they're just splitters... [16:02] bignose! [16:03] blessed are the cheesemakers... [16:09] /n === tpe is now known as Guest66310 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Xack is now known as Undertail === Undertail is now known as Undertale === Undertale is now known as Xack