[03:09] <diddledan_> oh no! humpty dumpty fell off his wall!
[04:54] <daftykins> diddledan_: D: not his wall!
[04:54] <daftykins> also you appear to have clones
[04:54] <diddledan> yes! his wall!
[04:55] <zmoylan-pi> that's just diddledan, always cloning around...
[04:55] <daftykins> hehe yeah, if i had a guernsey £1 note for every time...
[04:55] <daftykins> hmm i'm debating going down the working man's cafe when it opens at 6am for a good fry up!
[04:57] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have a lot of money that would take forever to spend on mainland as you'd have to explain it's real money each and every time... :-)
[04:57] <daftykins> it's refused :(
[04:58] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was like northern ireland or scottish money, legit in england?
[05:00] <diddledan> don't be silly. he prints them himself
[05:01] <daftykins> i got roped into going to a clients' cleaners place to look at a dodgy router in a house shared by about 8 Latvian immigrant folks
[05:01] <daftykins> halp...
[05:04] <diddledan> oh dear
[05:15] <daftykins> hmm some place predicts that by 2017 SSDs will cost only 7p per GB more than HDDs
[05:16] <MartijnVdS> sounds  about right
[05:16] <zmoylan-pi> i _might_ have ssd by then :-)
[05:16] <MartijnVdS> 1TB SSDs are €200 now
[05:19] <daftykins> 3D NAND has been the saviour for sure
[05:20] <daftykins> so Mozilla are giving Thunderbird the chop :O
[05:20] <zmoylan-pi> i miss hardcards... a hard disk stuck on a wafer thin daughter board wobbling over your mother board like a sword of damocles... :-)
[05:25] <diddledan> I want an NVMe epeen
[05:25] <diddledan> moar disk!
[05:26] <daftykins> i find it odd how i had to update that thar Surface
[05:26] <daftykins> still had to select to murder the old OS backup in disk cleanup, too
[05:27] <daftykins> do the factory reset type options do much on surfaces?
[06:09] <diddledan> I'm dirty
[06:09] <diddledan> I'm messing about with visual studio
[06:10] <daftykins> D:
[06:10] <daftykins> never played with surface wiping options then, sir?
[06:10] <diddledan> nope
[06:11] <daftykins> your kitchen must be a bacteria playground! ;D
[06:11] <diddledan> :-p
[06:12] <zmoylan-pi> it hardens the immune system... and they have shares in andrex... :-P
[09:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[09:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:47] <bashrc_> g'day
[09:48] <daftykins> o/
[09:48] <brobostigon> morning bashrc_ and daftykins
[09:49] <daftykins> no sign of the posties :(
[09:50] <brobostigon> :(
[09:51] <MooDoo> daftykins: waiting for goodies?
[09:52] <daftykins> mmhmm
[09:54] <daftykins> an SSD that was on amazon's deals, a Nexus 5 LCD from China and more
[09:59] <Myrtti> I was impressed by the speed the Moto360 made its way from China
[09:59] <Myrtti> I think we ordered it on Thursday evening and it arrived yesterday
[10:03] <daftykins> free shipping off ebay here, so it said 1-17 December
[10:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Day for the Abolition of Slavery! 😃
[10:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: not exactly slavery but I think the sentiment is right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU
[10:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: and then there is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1CMCtV4to which is a slavery people don't mind so much ;)
[10:58] <Myrtti> I can't remember the name of the pdf annotation app that I used years and years ago... gah
[11:03] <davmor2> Myrtti: foxit/okular/xournal/evince all do it off the top of my head
[11:03] <Myrtti> xournal, thassit
[11:04] <Myrtti> I don't think evince does any
[11:06] <davmor2> Myrtti: https://help.gnome.org/users/evince/stable/annotations.html.en
[11:06] <davmor2> Myrtti: just not so pretty
[11:07] <davmor2> Myrtti: glad to be of help anyway :)
[11:08] <Myrtti> ah right
[11:08] <Myrtti> thank you
[11:16] <awilkins> IME Okular is the best Linux PDF viewer that does annotations
[11:16] <awilkins> The evince annotations are done in an external file and don't translate to Adobe's PDF reader
[11:16] <awilkins> Okular annotations are done in the standard PDF/A way and do carry over
[11:24] <davmor2> awilkins: personally I think pdftk is the best ;)
[11:25] <davmor2> awilkins: xournal is the same iirc
[11:25] <awilkins> Xournal is a PDF viewer?
[11:26] <awilkins> And pdftk is Windows only AFAICT
[11:26] <Myrtti> doctor's wants some of my papers and I needed to translate them a bit, so annotations it is
[11:27] <davmor2> awilkins: sudo apt install pdftk it was on linux first ;)
[11:28] <awilkins> Those wags at PDF Labs
[11:28] <davmor2> awilkins: it's a cli tool that uses cat seriously you think that was a windows only tool :)
[11:28] <awilkins> I think combined media notetaking apps are sadly deficient, TBH
[11:28] <awilkins> But I don;t have a coherent plan to improve them without thinking hard about it
[11:29] <davmor2> awilkins: I think most of the tutuorials you find online are windows only cause linux users know how to read man pages and use --help :)
[13:31] <foobarry> wow, good guy zuckerburg
[13:42]  * SuperEngineer notices his name must be in code in Zuckerburg's letter as it's not mentioned specifically- supposes he doesn't want to embarrass me
[13:44] <foobarry> people need to stop using foo
[13:44] <foobarry> found a file /tmp/foo with 2 different logs in
[13:44] <foobarry> somebody did a blah > /tmp/foo
[13:44] <foobarry> somebody else did a script that opened /tmp/foo and wrote more stuff
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> would you rather they used /tmp/barry foobarry?
[13:45] <foobarry> yes
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[13:57] <davmor2> they could use foobar
[13:57] <foobarry> its all naughty
[13:58] <foobarry> use proper file names in production
[13:58] <davmor2> foobarry: no
[13:58] <foobarry> :0
[13:59] <davmor2> foobarry: the issue is lots of people just copy paste  the examples from the internet without thinking I'll call the file x.log instead of foo
[14:00] <foobarry> this was a script written inhouse
[14:01] <foobarry> not sure if my biggest gripe is that foo is undescriptive as a log name, or is common so might get splatted by another unimaginative person
[14:07] <diplo> Bit of nboth probably foobarry
[14:07] <diplo> -n
[14:12] <diplo> You would hate to see all our internal and customer servers, you'd probably scream ( i do :D )
[14:18] <foobarry> been screaming a lot already today
[14:45] <foobarry> ny NFS server is extremly slow
[14:45] <foobarry> like bytes/sec instead of 1Gb/s
[14:45] <foobarry> something is afoot
[14:46] <diplo> I've never got on with NFS, then again not used it in years
[14:46] <diplo> Always had issues with speeds
[14:51] <MooDoo> I use NFS for my storage/backup solutions, it seems ok for what I want until I just get a single NAS and remove all my servers
[14:52] <foobarry> gonna use async option
[15:02] <diplo> bigcalm: hadn't checked on letsencypt for a while, ta fanx
[15:02] <diplo> Set up and ready to try tomorrow night :)
[15:06] <SuperMatt> my website is signed by let's encrypt
[15:06] <SuperMatt> I found a bug in it, submitted a patch, and then got it accepted :)
[15:07] <SuperMatt> it didn't like TLDs longer than 6 characters, but with the new TLDs, they can be as long as 63
[15:07] <SuperMatt> .digital was just too longer for LE until I came along ;)
[15:07] <diplo> Good man :) opensource in action
[15:10] <SuperMatt> I was dead proud of myself :)
[15:10] <SuperMatt> it's a shame it's still in closed beta, but it's quite easy to find the form
[15:12] <diddledan> m00
[15:13] <diddledan> it goes public tomorrow afaik
[15:14] <foobarry> how do i know if my nfs mount is async or sync?
[15:14] <foobarry> doesn't want to tell me
[15:14] <diplo> yup it does, at 6pm on the 3rd GMT
[15:14] <SuperMatt> if it doesn't tell you, it's the default
[15:14] <SuperMatt> which you could probably find by running "man mount.nfs"
[15:15] <foobarry> yeah, nothing there
[15:15]  * diddledan still messing in MS Visual Studio >.<
[15:15] <diddledan> it's actually not bad
[15:16] <SuperMatt> foobarry: man nfs might tell you
[15:16] <davmor2> diddledan: don't make me get out of this chair.....
[15:16] <SuperMatt> I think it's in async mode
[15:16] <SuperMatt> "If neither sync nor async is specified (or if the async option is specified), the NFS client..."
[15:16] <diddledan> davmor2, I hear that. sitting ftw
[15:17] <SuperMatt> which suggests async is the default
[15:17] <foobarry> i was just reading that bit
[15:17] <foobarry> doesn't look like async is my problem then
[15:18] <SuperMatt> have you tried doing cat /etc/mtab?
[15:18] <SuperMatt> that should expand all the options beyond just their defaults
[15:18] <SuperMatt> though I could be wrong
[15:18] <foobarry> rw,relatime,vers=4.0,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=192.168.42.15,local_lock=none,addr=192.168.42.21 0 0
[15:18] <foobarry> win 9
[15:19] <SuperMatt> I'm almost certain async is the default
[15:19] <SuperMatt> but you've moved on past that, obviously
[15:50] <diddledan> oh dear, that global-ish message doesn't sound fun
[15:51] <diddledan> "appears a hub went boom"!!
[15:55] <SuperMatt> they're pretty quick kon the notification there
[15:55] <SuperMatt> 10 minutes it's very good
[15:56] <diddledan> indeed. very good response for a volunteer effort
[15:57] <daftykins> wussat?
[15:58] <diddledan> daftykins, freenode is broke
[15:58] <diddledan> daftykins, someone lost a hub
[15:59] <daftykins> ah
[15:59]  * daftykins checks the status window
[15:59] <daftykins> there it is!
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> they've been taken over by the peoples front of judea...
[16:01] <diddledan> the popular peoples front of judea**
[16:01] <diddledan> not to be confused with the peoples front of popular judea
[16:02] <zmoylan-pi> nah, they're just splitters...
[16:02] <diddledan> bignose!
[16:03] <zmoylan-pi> blessed are the cheesemakers...
[16:09] <zmoylan-pi>  /n