[01:23] <cmaloney> evening
[01:27] <rick_h_> party
[01:30] <_stink_> yes
[01:35] <cmaloney> heh
[02:16] <rick_h_> cmaloney: get ready for paper day at chc tomorrow
[02:16] <rick_h_> cmaloney: fancybpaper and two fountain pens show up tomorrow
[02:16] <rick_h_> one a flex nib! wooo
[02:16] <rick_h_> geek out...boom.../me does a dance
[13:53] <cmaloney> morning
[13:56] <rick_h_> morning
[14:56] <alephone> o/
[15:31] <cmaloney> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3v4l98/php_7_released/
[22:10] <cmaloney> And in "You have got to be fucking kidding me" news: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/603724/how-to-implement-limit-with-microsoft-sql-server
[22:12] <jrwren> yup
[22:12] <jrwren> newer versions make it easy
[22:12] <jrwren> it was REALLY Bad in pre 2005
[22:13] <cmaloney> How is it that we have a database server that doesn't understand limit in 2015?
[22:13] <jrwren> there is a simple flowchart everone should use when choosing a data storage system. it goes like this:  Should I Not Use Postgresql?  No, you should use postgresql.
[22:13] <cmaloney> That's great, save for someone at a company decided to implement their system on this bullshit
[22:14] <jrwren> cmaloney: could be worse, could be mongodb
[22:14] <jrwren> or... oracle
[22:14] <cmaloney> mongodb < /dev/null
[22:14] <cmaloney> oracle < mongodb
[22:15] <jrwren> :)
[22:15] <cmaloney> Hm, I thought Limit was ANSI, but apparently it isn't
[22:16] <cmaloney> which explains why everyone implements it differently.
[22:16] <jrwren> nope
[22:16] <cmaloney> and since Sybase was pretty much a dog's breakfast anyway, it's no wonder Microsoft partnered with them
[22:16] <jrwren> and even if it was, most don't implement the standardd.
[22:16] <cmaloney> http://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/30452/ansi-iso-plans-for-limit-standardization
[22:17] <cmaloney> It's heartening that even the Oracle implementation is worse than MSSQL
[22:17] <cmaloney> No wonder Oracle is performant: you need it to get it to do anything useful.
[22:18] <jrwren> i don't even know if it is performant.