[04:57] <magespawn> good morning
[05:25] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:28] <AtJack> Hello everyone
[06:28] <AtJack> When is the next meeting?
[07:23] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:34] <ateKore> morning
[09:35] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[12:59] <Kilos> hi AtJack 
[12:59] <AtJack> Hi
[12:59] <Kilos> you the same jack that has just moved to za
[13:03] <Kilos> the one that enquired about the mailing list?
[13:20] <anton> wazzuuppp peeps
[13:37] <pieter2627> hello AtJack and welcome to the channel. am not sure when is the next meeting, possibly 22nd Dec - we still have to discuss it or something...
[13:37] <pieter2627> bye all o/
[14:01] <Kilos-> hi piet
[14:02] <Kilos-> Aai!
[14:54] <Kilos> sjoe daily updates
[15:27] <inetpro> Kilos: yeah, they going crazy again
[15:27] <Kilos> is it all to keep things secure?
[15:28] <Kilos> from bad guys i mean
[15:29] <inetpro> depends
[15:30] <inetpro> Kilos: what version of Ubuntu are you on?
[15:30] <Kilos> i dont understand, because everything is working fine
[15:30] <Kilos> 14.04 kde
[15:31] <Kilos> and its not getting better i think so then it must be to keep it secure
[15:32] <inetpro> Ubuntu Security Notices: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[15:32] <Kilos> kde 14.04 has been great
[15:33] <gremble> Kilos: There are perhaps some niggles that you haven't come across that they fixed
[15:33] <gremble> Or to add features that you don't necessarily use
[15:33] <Kilos> yay
[15:33] <inetpro> each case has its own merits
[15:33] <gremble> Just because you don't see the changes, doesn't meant that they aren't there :P
[15:33] <Kilos> just heavy on mobile data users
[15:33] <gremble> If you are curious to see what changed, you should look at the changelogs for each update
[15:34] <Kilos> nana no energy
[15:34]  * inetpro often looks at changelogs just out of curiosity to see what changed
[15:34] <gremble> On an LTS distro you probably don't have to update that much. 
[15:50] <Kilos> [17:46] [Notice] -mist- [Global-ish notice] Hmm, appears a hub went boom. Services are unavailable whilst we figure out where it went. 
[15:50] <Kilos> hehe
[16:07] <Kilos> wb gremble what did you break
[16:07] <Kilos> i dropped down to 4 nicks here
[18:08] <kulelu88> Hey guys
[18:09] <inetpro> good mornings kulelu88
[18:10] <kulelu88> howzit mates?
[18:23] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[18:24] <Kilos> im trying to help ian via cell
[18:24] <inetpro> just do it!
[18:24] <Kilos> to upgrade a lucid server
[18:24] <inetpro> :-)
[18:24] <Kilos> to 14.04
[18:24] <Kilos> dont be funny man
[18:25] <inetpro> lucid is easy to understand
[18:25] <Kilos> is there a command to upgrade please
[18:25] <inetpro> Maaz: define lucid
[18:25] <Maaz> inetpro: Lucid \Lu"cid\, a. [L. lucidus, fr. lux, lucis, light. See {Light}, n.] 1. Shining; bright; resplendent; as, the lucid orbs of heaven. [1913 Webster]  Lucid, like a glowworm.               --Sir I. Newton. [1913 Webster]  A court compact of lucid marbles.     --Tennyson. [1913 Webster]  2. Clear; transparent. " Lucid streams." --Milton. [1913 Webster]  3.
[18:25] <Maaz> Presenting a clear view; easily understood; clear. [1913 Webster]  A lucid and interestin…
[18:26] <inetpro> oops, you mean Ubuntu Lucid
[18:26] <Kilos> in update manager it does give he option yo upgrade
[18:26] <Kilos> ya man
[18:26] <Kilos> 10.04
[18:26] <inetpro> Lucid Lynx 10.04
[18:26] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:26] <Kilos> can one upgrade 10.04 to 14.4
[18:27] <inetpro> from 10.04 to 14.04 is quite a jump... I wouldn't do it
[18:27] <Kilos> is clean install better
[18:27] <inetpro> why would he want to upgrade this way?
[18:27] <Kilos> and rsync home
[18:28] <Kilos> support ended
[18:28] <inetpro> in other words how big is the risk of loosing something?
[18:28] <Kilos> he has tonight to get it going
[18:28] <inetpro> s/of/if/
[18:28] <Kilos> we rsyncing home
[18:29] <inetpro> haha... you and your rsyncing of home...
[18:30] <inetpro> you sure everything important is just in /home ?
[18:30] <Kilos> i dunno
[18:30] <Kilos> thats why im asking you
[18:30] <inetpro> if you don't know, don't even try to start the upgrade
[18:30] <kulelu88> upgrading from 10 to 14 is dangerous
[18:30] <kulelu88> always backup first
[18:30] <kulelu88> then upgrade from disk
[18:31] <Kilos> what about t0 12.04 then 14.04
[18:31] <kulelu88> are they all 64-bit/32-bit?
[18:32] <inetpro> easier to and quicker to re-install from scratch if you know where everything goes
[18:32] <Kilos> how do you see 32 or 64 bit
[18:33] <Kilos> ai!
[18:33] <inetpro> uname -p
[18:34] <Kilos> ty
[18:34] <inetpro> or rather 'uname -i'
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: but as mentioned above, 12/02 20:30:53 <kulelu88> always backup first
[18:36] <Kilos> gives nothing
[18:36] <kulelu88> you just need to backup your user-content and have a text file/screenshot showing what software you have installed
[18:37] <Kilos> unknown
[18:37] <Kilos> is all user content in /home
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: arch
[18:39] <Kilos> kulelu88 can i do all that with commands
[18:39] <kulelu88> go up to the root and then go back down
[18:39] <Kilos> im on the fone to him
[18:39] <kulelu88> tell him to come here so we can help
[18:44] <Kilos> lemme try get him here
[18:48] <Kilos> something wrong there
[18:49] <Kilos> 1g home has already rsynced 4 gig and still going
[18:49] <superfly> ohi
[18:50] <magespawn> hey superfly
[18:51] <magespawn> superfly did you see the comments about the ubuntu-za.org website on the mailing list?
[18:51] <superfly> magespawn: uh, I don't know. probably not. I'm quite behind with non-critical e-mail
[18:52] <gremble> It apparently reacts strangly with narrow resolutions
[18:53] <magespawn> no worries, not that important, just at certain window sizes the top menu bar cuts the top heading
[18:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:55] <magespawn> i got a screen shot from lee, i will paste it for you
[18:55] <wolfeyes_is> evening everyone
[18:55] <superfly> morning wolfeyes_is
[18:55] <wolfeyes_is> kulelu88, here he is
[18:56] <kulelu88> evening
[18:56] <gremble> Hey kulelu88 
[18:56] <kulelu88> plus superfly is here, so you will get expert help wolfeyes_is 
[18:56] <wolfeyes_is> heya superfly 
[18:56] <kulelu88> yo gremble 
[18:56] <superfly> only the half of my brain not concentrating on DebConf
[18:57] <wolfeyes_is> I know superfly is awesome ;-)
[18:59] <kulelu88> fuck I hate wordpress and magento even more
[18:59] <wolfeyes_is> brb
[18:59] <Kilos> ai
[19:00] <kulelu88> superfly: it's free right? when is debconf?
[19:01] <tumbleweed> it's free
[19:01] <tumbleweed> http://debconf16.debconf.org/
[19:02] <superfly> kulelu88: you must come!
[19:02] <kulelu88> aah still long to go
[19:02] <kulelu88> I would like to
[19:02] <kulelu88> I'm going to get an anti-systemd tshirt printed also
[19:03] <gremble> I wonder if I can gather cash to go :o
[19:03] <kulelu88> how much help do you guys need? I can do bits and bobs if needed
[19:04] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: right now we're looking for someone to help attendees get visas. http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20151126.153514.24934830.en.html
[19:04] <superfly> kulelu88: a good place to start is probably here: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16
[19:06] <kulelu88> okay that is doable, but we all know that home affairs and their ilk can be assholes at the best of times
[19:11] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: if you're interested, contact ginggs http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20151126.172801.09197c07.en.html
[19:11] <magespawn> here you go superfly http://pasteboard.co/2zUXc7br.png
[19:13] <kulelu88> tumbleweed: were you at PyCon?
[19:15] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: yep
[19:15] <kulelu88> Long hair and glasses? tumbleweed 
[19:15] <tumbleweed> that's me
[19:15] <kulelu88> aah small world :d
[19:16] <tumbleweed> heh yeah, ZA tech world is
[19:23] <kulelu88> what do you do at your day job? tumbleweed 
[19:28] <tumbleweed> I run the ops team at Yola
[19:33] <kulelu88> aah that's cool
[20:02] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all
[20:02] <magespawn> \/exit
[20:22] <Kilos> how do i get a list of installed packages please kulelu88 
[20:22] <Kilos> ohi sup
[20:22] <Kilos> ai
[20:23] <Kilos> superfly 
[20:23] <kulelu88> uhmmm
[20:23] <Kilos> one hnd holding fone dont work
[20:23] <superfly> Maaz: google for ubuntu get a list of installed packages
[20:23] <Maaz> superfly: "apt - How to list all installed packages? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages :: "dpkg - Get list of installed packages? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/327370/get-list-of-installed-packages :: "apt - How to list installed package and its details on ubuntu? - Ask ..."
[20:23] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/389715/how-to-list-installed-package-and-its-details-on-ubuntu :: "ListInstalledPa…
[20:23] <kulelu88> he can open ubuntu software centre and find it there
[20:23] <kulelu88> or that ^^^
[20:23] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[20:43] <kulelu88> hey superfly . you ever worked with postfix before?
[20:43] <superfly> a bit
[20:47] <Kilos> ty for the help guys 
[20:47] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[21:22] <Kilos> ian must battle on his own im tired
[21:28] <inetpro> hmm
[21:29] <inetpro> good night