[00:37] <unascribed> kdialog appears to be gone in Wily, are there any good replacements for it (that also use Qt)?
[00:39] <keithzg> unascribed: I don't think it's gone, just tried from a Wily install in the building and it's indeed there.
[00:39] <unascribed> well, after doing the upgrade kdialog is missing and the package doesn't exist
[00:39] <unascribed> I'll check again
[00:40] <keithzg> unascribed: It isn't a separate package, appears to be provided by kde-baseapps-bin
[00:42] <keithzg> unascribed: Looks like krdc and konsole depend on that package, and those are both in turn dependencies of the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, so perhaps that metapackage got removed during your upgrade?
[00:42] <unascribed> no idea, but installing kde-baseapps-bin did fix it
[00:42] <unascribed> I just installed the package from Konsole, so no idea
[00:43] <unascribed> double no idea :P
[00:43] <keithzg> unascribed: You can check if it's installed (and what version and such) via the terminal with "apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop"
[00:44] <unascribed> oh, so there is a better way than just listing all installed packages via dpkg and grepping it
[00:44] <unascribed> it isn't installed. huh.
[00:44] <keithzg> hahaha yup (although I uhhh did that myself for many years before realizing)
[00:45] <keithzg> Yeah I bet that the root of the problem, then. Probably worth reinstalling it in case there are other surprise absences lurking!
[00:45] <unascribed> ohh, I think I know why it's missing
[00:45] <keithzg> Removed baloo?
[00:45] <unascribed> I installed MariaDB a while ago since I was testing applications, and Akonadi *requires* MySQL
[00:45] <unascribed> so I had to nuke Akonadi
[00:45] <keithzg> Ah
[00:45] <unascribed> though removing baloo sounds like a good idea too
[00:46] <unascribed> ...that would require removing dolphin and plasma
[00:46] <unascribed> how about no :P
[00:46] <keithzg> Haha
[00:47] <keithzg> Well it was still possible with 14.04, which is what I'm writing from right now. It's easy enough to disable if you dislike it, though, and on *most* of my systems it isn't a problem, just this one (which happens to have millions of files in a few folders...)
[00:47] <unascribed> yeah, pretty sure I have it disabled
[00:47] <keithzg> Hmm interesting that Akonadi depends on mysql.
[00:48] <unascribed> I'm running on a (degraded D:) RAID5 array, so my disk bandwidth is in short supply
[00:48] <unascribed> yeah, I found it weird too
[00:48] <unascribed> especially since it has an alternate SQLite backend
[00:48] <keithzg> And postgresql too
[00:49] <keithzg> Yeah you'd think it would just depend on something that could in turn be *provided* by MariaDB.
[00:49] <unascribed> yeah
[00:49] <unascribed> I assumed it depended on a virtual akonadi-backend package
[00:49] <unascribed> which in turn was supplied by mysql and sqlite
[00:49] <unascribed> apparently not
[00:50] <unascribed> maybe they fixed that in the Wily packaging, I haven't checked
[00:50] <keithzg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746651
[00:50] <unascribed> oh, cool
[00:51] <keithzg> And yeah indeed, looking at the package on Wily it seems like one option for the dependency is virtual-mysql-server-core, so MariaDB should be fine now
[00:51] <unascribed> cool
[00:51] <unascribed> I don't use Akonadi, but nice to know they fixed it
[00:51] <keithzg> Yeah, definitely.
[00:51] <keithzg> Always nice when things get better over time rather than worse :)
[00:52]  * keithzg avoids making a quip about Gnome, kindof fails ;)
[00:53] <bprompt> unascribed:     akonadi is used by PIM apps, like kontact or kmail or knode or korganizer
[00:53] <unascribed> yeah, I found that out when trying to decide if it was safe to remove :P
[00:53] <bprompt> heheh
[00:53] <keithzg> bprompt: Yeah, that's what I use it for (wait, is knode still around?). KMail remains my favourite desktop email client.
[00:55] <bprompt> keithzg:    IIRC knode hit the can in 15.04, or kde 5.x
[00:57] <keithzg> bprompt: Yeah, I remembered it got dropped fairly recently.
[01:43] <gabe_> hello
[01:43] <gabe_> i want to ask
[01:44] <gabe_> i am using Kubuntu 15.10
[01:44] <gabe_> when i tried to connect on wifi Kubuntu said "IP configuration was unavailable"
[01:45] <gabe_> but when i use other OS, i could connect to same SSID
[01:45] <gabe_> how can i solve this ?
[01:55] <Guest29310> Hola
[02:17] <manuel> Hola
[02:18] <Guest29310> Hey
[02:18] <raul> Puto
[02:18] <manuel> :D
[02:37] <BinaryC011010110> Hello all I was wondering what the best software for photo editing and design are? Also, is there a way to check for Malware? I am new to Linux.
[02:45] <BinaryC011010110> Um so yeah
[02:45] <BinaryC011010110> Help?
[05:30] <Jason____> Hi I'm new to linux. can I run kubuntu as live persitence to try it before I put it on my hard drive?
[05:35] <mozg> yes,you can
[05:48] <ChronoToss> Hey, noob here; I got a question... I'm experancing a bit of a problem, with my NIC. Can someone help me? Or atleast point me in the direction of some reading source that can assist?
[07:14] <parveen> hello
[07:16] <parveen> i can't install apps from muon software center. every time i click on the install button it shows installing but nothing is installing at all. can anyone help me on this
[07:16] <parveen> i am using kubuntu 15.10
[07:17] <valorie> parveen: did you enter your user password?
[07:17] <valorie> nothing can install until you do that
[07:17] <valorie> i'm on 15.10 as well
[07:22] <parveen> yes
[07:25] <hateball> parveen: can you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" in a terminal? Reboot if prompted, then try Muon again
[10:05] <denza242> lordievader: so I think Kubuntu-CI is breaking my upgrade to wily
[10:05] <lordievader> denza242: So ppa-purge?
[10:05] <denza242> :x
[10:05] <denza242> but that would purge my entire desktop + some qt stuff
[10:06] <lordievader> No, it downgrades. It only removes if it ain't available in the 'normal' repos.
[10:06] <denza242> ah
[10:07] <denza242> hmm, so I should do that then, then upgrade, and then re-enable -ci?
[10:08] <lordievader> Or that and not re-enable ci.
[10:09] <denza242> :P
[10:10] <denza242> lordievader: it won't blow up Konversation while it downgrades, right?
[10:12] <lordievader> No idea.
[10:12] <excalibr> fresh install is always fun
[10:12] <lordievader> I have no experience with ppa purging Kubuntu-CI.
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:01] <Chris______> hi. can anyone here help me with a fresh kubuntu install that never wakes from sleep? everything else seems fine. thanks
[13:16] <Chris______> I can maybe make it more interesting by telling you I need to unplug it and remove the battery to get it to boot again?
[13:17] <hateball> Chris______: It is usually quite idle here, so dont feel ignored
[13:18] <hateball> And I do not know much about using suspend/hibernate
[13:18] <Chris______> Thanks. Is there usually a chance of someone chiming in, or I should go look elsewhere?
[13:20] <Kwaadpepper> I think, for your problem to be solved, you would need to get specific info for logs likely
[13:20] <prof7bit> What is the correct place to report bugs against the german localisation of the upcoming Kubuntu 16.04?
[13:21] <Chris______> I've been trying todo that, problem is I can't identify the log... /var/logs/pm-suspend.log is missing for me. Any other useful logs?
[13:21] <Kwaadpepper> journalctl
[13:21] <Kwaadpepper> i guess
[13:21] <hateball> prof7bit: check with #ubuntu+1
[13:23] <Chris______> if it's supposed to be in /var/log, then no, don't have it
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Chris______,  did you get ris of the UEFI boot and gpt partiton table ?
[13:23] <Kwaadpepper> Chris______: journalctl is a program
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ris=rid
[13:24] <Chris______> BlueKaj, I don't know what gpt is. I installed manually, had to create the EFI partition then copied an .efi file from the live cd to a boot file. then i could boot.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Chris______, are you sure the OS i in sleep mode?
[13:26] <Chris______> I can click sleep, it seems to go there (flashing led on power button), but never wakes up. fan spins up, screen is black
[13:27] <Chris______> Ctrl+Alt+F1/F6 does nothing
[13:27] <BluesKaj> f7
[13:27] <Chris______> ok
[13:27] <BluesKaj> for a desktop
[13:27] <Chris______> it's a lenovo ideapad s205 laptop
[13:28] <BluesKaj> F1 to F6 are VT/TTYs
[13:28] <fier> mozg: you should create a csetting model
[13:29] <Kwaadpepper> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lenovo_ideapad_s205
[13:29] <Kwaadpepper> could use google translate
[13:29] <Chris______> either way, they don't do anything. doesn't look like the hdd does anything. strange thing is, if i forceit to power off, I need to take out the battery to get it to start up again
[13:31] <Chris______> tried changing the video drivers (selecting between the three options I have in "Driver Manger")
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I have the same problem with my lenovo G500, but I don't put the laptop to sleep , it just won't show grub. I have to either remove the baterry for few mins or use usb stick to boot grub. My HDD is no longer using the Windows GPT partitioning , it's DOS since I wiped the disk of all UEFI boot etc and use legacy mode...which i do not recommend.
[13:34] <Chris______> never seen grub myself. ever. shift doesn't work
[13:35] <Chris______> dont' need any other os, i don't plan to dual boot
[13:35] <BluesKaj> you probly have no timeout in grub
[13:36] <Chris______> how would i force that?
[13:36] <lordievader> Chris______: Just hold shift after the bios screen. Grub checks if shift is pressed.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> do you have autologin ?
[13:37] <Chris______> shift does nothing. no autologin
[13:38] <BluesKaj> left shift
[13:38] <lordievader> What version of Kubuntu do you run?
[13:38] <Chris______> really? let me try
[13:38] <Chris______> latest kubuntu, just got it
[13:39] <Chris______> no, no shift works
[13:39] <lordievader> Chris______: Right, so systemd is responsible for standby (unless Kubuntu does that differently). What happens when you invoke sleep through 'sudo systemctl' can it awake from that?
[13:40] <Chris______> hold on
[13:40] <lordievader> Chris______: 'sudo systemctl standby' to be precise.
[13:41] <Chris______> a ton of output happens. let me try again with standby
[13:41] <Chris______> unknown operation standby. am i missing a dash or somehting?
[13:43] <lordievader> Hmm, no I guess Kubuntu doesn't use that (yet). Run 'sudo pm-suspend' and see if it can awake from that.
[13:44] <Chris______> ha! yes, it can
[13:45] <Chris______> i also have a pm-suspend.log for the first time
[13:45] <lordievader> Interesting...
[13:45] <Chris______> and all the stuff in there seems to include "success", i see no errors
[13:46] <Chris______> I usually try to sleep it by App-Launcher -> Leave -> Sleep (suspend to RAM)
[13:47] <lordievader> Chris______: What happens when you run 'qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/kde/Solid/PowerManagement/Actions/SuspendSession org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement.Actions.SuspendSession.suspendToRam'?
[13:47] <Chris______> Wow, it started working
[13:47] <Chris______> could that have been some sort of permissions error about the log file?
[13:48] <Chris______> should I still try the command above?
[13:48] <lordievader> Chris______: Yes.
[13:50] <Chris______> ok, let me figure that out, i'm on a different computer, copy/paste won't work :)
[13:51] <Chris______> ok, it sleeps and wake up normally from the qdbus thing
[13:52] <lordievader> That is strange...
[13:52] <Chris______> what's strange? it seems to work now? i wanna try a reboot to see if this still works after
[13:52] <lordievader> Hitting the sleep button in the menu does pretty much the same thing..
[13:53] <Chris______> i understand. the menu button works too now. gimme a minute to reboot
[13:53] <lordievader> Wierd stuff!
[13:56] <Chris______> ok, still weird. it only when the laptop is not plugged in to power
[13:57] <Chris______> if it's plugged in it doesn't work. i just never thought to check that way
[13:58] <Chris______> i've rebooted and am testing it again on battery power just to make sure
[13:59] <Chris______> yeah, it works fine, can sleep and wake up when on battery power, but not if plugged in
[14:00] <lordievader> Does the 'sudo pm-suspend' still work on battery?
[14:00] <Chris______> yes, when on battery everyting is fine
[14:01] <Chris______> so, pm-suspend, qdbus and menu button all work on battery.
[14:02] <Chris______> just tested pm-suspend while on power. it's stuck...
[14:03] <Chris______> in power management i have identical settings for battery and AC power
[14:11] <lordievader> Oh, I interpreted that wrong. I thought it didn't work on battery. Hmm. How odd that standby doesn't work when powered.
[14:16] <Chris______> i have no usb stuff atached to it, by the way
[15:05] <Doyle> Replaced the AMD gpu with an NVIDIA and the world is immediately a better place. I can lock the system without it freezing for 5 minutes now.  ^_^
[17:22] <ntkubuntu> hi there, I've just installed kubuntu. Now I'm facing the problem that if I remove an usb stick then the complete system seems to freeze
[17:23] <ntkubuntu> can anybody help me with that?
[17:26] <ntkubuntu> If I apply the usb stick everything works fine. I can read any data stored on that stick. But if I release/remove the usb stick ... everything seems to crash
[18:36] <denza242> well I seem to be in a pickle
[18:37] <denza242> my upgrade to wily was interrupted and the only thing that changed was that my sources were bumped to wily
[18:40] <BluesKaj> denza242, you set the sources.list to any OS repos with sed,  "example" sudo sed -i 's/saucy/trusty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:40] <BluesKaj> then apt update it  and try again
[18:41] <denza242> so I downgrade it first, then update it?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> that would probly be best, yes
[18:42] <BluesKaj> you can't skip OS releases, thatwill surely break your install
[18:43] <BluesKaj> like vivid to xenial for example
[18:43] <denza242> nah, just vivid -> wily
[18:43] <BluesKaj> ok good
[18:44] <denza242> BluesKaj: if some packages have already been updated, would it be best to manually "upgrade" it to Wily
[18:45] <BluesKaj> denza242, yes, sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:47] <BluesKaj> if you get a message saying , already upgraded , then run, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[18:48] <BluesKaj> that should finish upgrading any missing packages
[19:45] <ted586947> using 15.10 sound output has died recently and fixes are not working - how can i reset the sound settings to their default values again?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ted586947, which audio chip?
[19:48] <ted586947> BluesKaj: not sure -its a  dell latitude e6410 laptop
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ted586947, type alsamixer in the terminal , the audio chip will show in th ewupper left. Also if scroll across to audiomute, make sure it's disabled by using down arrow key
[19:50] <denza242> um is this normal
[19:50] <denza242> Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version
[19:51] <denza242> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[19:51] <BluesKaj> denza242, yes
[19:51] <denza242> bah, forgot to remove newlines
[19:51] <denza242> BluesKaj: even if I have a 64 bit CPU?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> denza242, you can opt out if you want and keep your perwsent config
[19:52] <BluesKaj> present/current
[19:52] <ted586947> BluesKaj: HDA Intel MID - IDT 92HD81B1C5 - audiomute is not enabled
[19:54] <BluesKaj> ted586947, ok in the terminal do: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[19:55] <BluesKaj> ted586947, after certain upgrades to alsa or pulseaudio the intel audio driver fails to load
[19:56] <denza242> BluesKaj: er, I already accepted...
[19:56] <denza242> ...it'll work though still, right?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> you'll need to reboot
[19:57] <ted586947> BluesKaj: I did that  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel - hit return - no output in the shell
[19:57] <BluesKaj> there is no output from the modprobe command if the driver loads properly
[19:58] <BluesKaj> good no errors, ted586947
[19:59] <ted586947> BluesKaj: OK if I start VLC and play a video there is no sound but - now if I got to Audio Device and select one for my chip as above it starts working but
[20:00] <BluesKaj> ted586947, vlc has it's own settings oprions in audio and tools
[20:01] <ted586947> there is another device default HDA NVIDIA HDMI 0
[20:01] <ted586947> BluesKaj: yes I've tried resetting all VLC prefs to default but there was no impact
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ted586947, well, what kind of sound system are you connecting to the pc?
[20:05] <ted586947> nothing - btw if i open System settingsdouble click on multimedia it crashes - tried it several times - not good
[20:06] <ted586947> but its been a fairly stable system usually and audio worked out of the box so i expect some sort of reset would work
[20:07] <BluesKaj> ted586947, make sure your packages are up to date, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[20:07] <ted586947> BluesKaj: done that just now - all up to date
[20:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Podcast link: http://youtu.be/eZH6b6hJi2o It's live right now
[20:09] <ted586947> i have something called Cadence installed that I think manages JACK could that be connected - clutching at straws here
[20:10] <BluesKaj> use the analog audio choces in pulseaudio/pavucontrol if you pavu installed
[20:12] <ted586947> BluesKaj: installing now - sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[20:13] <ted586947> BluesKaj: $ pavucontrol produces "Fatal Error unable to connect to PulseAudio OK"
[20:13] <BluesKaj> perhaps you don't have pulseaudio installed
[20:14] <BluesKaj> you don't really need it with intel audio unless you want simultaneous audio sources playing
[20:16] <keithzg> Hmm, any particular reason why in Wily kstart is installed by kde-runtime while kstart5 is installed by kde-cli-tools? What's the difference?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> but if you have jack installed it could be redirecting the signal to the wrong output
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ted586947,^
[20:18] <keithzg> Oh, huh, kde-runtime is still Qt/KDE 4 based even on Wily? I guess a lot of stuff isn't ported yet, so fair enough.
[20:18] <ted586947> BluesKaj: ahh - i think that could be it - would you suggest uninstalling JACK ? Willing to try anything really
[20:19] <BluesKaj> ted586947, jack is mostly used for pro audio or recording
[20:20] <BluesKaj> from mixers etc
[20:22] <ted586947> yeah i installed a package of audio progs - i think it came with hydrogen and cadence - but i havent use them much
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ted586947, i use both analog and digital/spdif outputs on my intel chip soundcard ..no pulseaudio or jack
[20:24] <ted586947> BluesKaj: ok im going to try uninstalling JACK and whatever goes with it via synaptic - i can always reinstall later
[20:25] <BluesKaj> both spdif digital and analog go to my audio receiver, but the analog could run a powered speaker system if needed
[20:25] <BluesKaj> ted586947, yes good idea
[20:28] <BluesKaj> !hydrogen
[20:28] <BluesKaj> !info hydrogen
[20:28] <BluesKaj> !info cadence
[20:29] <ted586947> BluesKaj:  kxstudio meta packages going with removal of JACK - i must have got them in a PPA
[20:30] <ted586947> right thats all done - quite a lot gone - should it need a reboot
[20:31] <BluesKaj> do you have pulseaudio installed ?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> ted586947,^
[20:32] <ted586947> BluesKaj: how would I know?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> just type it in the terminal or search in the package manager
[20:33] <ted586947> yes pulseaudio is installed according to synaptic
[20:35] <BluesKaj> it's your choice , it can help in some cases, don't let my prejudices affect your choices :-)
[20:36] <BluesKaj> but if you decide to uninstall it use purge
[20:36] <ted586947> bit bizzare - reset vlc prefs to default - launched it on a video - audio played - the VLC preferences popped up i clicked on and they disappearted - the audio stopped
[20:36] <ted586947> im happy to purge pulseaudio
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ted586947, check audio devices
[20:37] <BluesKaj> on vlc
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ok purge pulse then reboot
[20:38] <ted586947> in vlc theres a list of about 30 audio devices - most of them duplicates
[20:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, just choose the first analog
[20:40] <BluesKaj> and in the tools/audio choose alsa output in the drop down
[20:40] <ted586947> BluesKaj: that works - it always resets to the notworking one
[20:42] <ted586947> purging pulseaudio now then rebooting - hope to see you on the other side, tx for the guidance so far
[20:43] <BluesKaj> once the tools/audio settings are saved then go back to audio devices and choose one analog , it could be your choice in system settings multimedia needs to be changed to alsa
[20:47] <BluesKaj> once the tools/audio settings are saved then go back to audio devices and choose one analog , it could be your choice in system settings multimedia needs to be changed to alsa
[20:47] <BluesKaj> ted586947,^
[20:53] <BluesKaj> ted586947, just ignore the pulse option...it still shows up due to the bluetooth libs I think
[20:53] <ted586947> rebooted with progress -  now - youtube audio working fine - dragon player audio working fine - System Settings Audio the tests play fine - vlc still no audio until I select the correct audio device
[20:54] <BluesKaj> yeah that's a problem with vlc, my setup requires the same reset
[20:55] <BluesKaj> if i want to listen thru my wireless headphones I use the analog setting in vlc audio devices
[20:56] <ted586947> BluesKaj: its so odd - its still defaults to the not working NVIDIA device despite resetting
[20:57] <ted586947> just vlc - the rest seems to be working fine - odd cos VLC has been such a reliable prog for me for years
[20:57] <BluesKaj> ted586947, are you saving the setting in vlc/tools/audio?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> make sure alsa is the default at the top of the list in systemsettings>multimedia>devicepreference>music
[21:00] <ted586947> i jusdt did that - restarted vlc - launched a file in vlc got 1 second of audio then silence - like my just set vlc prefs got overridden somehow just after launch
[21:01] <ted586947> i only have one now in systemsettings>multimedia>devicepreference>music just "Default" - but the test on it plays audio fine
[21:03] <ted586947> purging vlc then reinstalling just to check if that makes a difference
[21:04] <finetundra> ted586947: have you already tried deleting your config data for, it's vlc right?
[21:05] <ted586947> yep tried that a few times unfortunately
[21:05] <finetundra> Ok
[21:07] <ted586947> somewhere VLCs prefs are getting overridden - so even if i save the correct ones  a second after launch they are reset back to the broken option - well getting all my audio bar vlc working is good progress :)
[21:09] <BluesKaj> ted586947, http://imgur.com/MqyYXYm and  http://imgur.com/4jtjEdh
[21:13] <ted586947> BluesKaj: first pic (VLC) is the same as mine - second pic SystemSettings all I got is "Default" - no "alsa" or "pulseaudio" options
[21:15] <BluesKaj> ted586947, just ignore the pulse audio when it appears, alsa should show up after a reboot
[21:16] <ted586947> i could purge reinstall alsa ?
[21:16] <BluesKaj> no need
[21:17] <BluesKaj> make sure you have alsa and alsa-utils installed
[21:17] <BluesKaj> alsa-base
[21:17] <BluesKaj> too
[21:18] <ted586947> yes all three are there
[21:18] <BluesKaj> oops no more alsa base, I forgot
[21:18] <BluesKaj> ok I
[21:19] <BluesKaj> I'm on a dev OS so things have changed here
[21:19] <ted586947> thanks for your help mate
[21:19] <ted586947> BluesKaj: ^^^
[21:20] <BluesKaj> it's been a long day, think i'm done
[21:20] <BluesKaj> np ted586947 , hope it works out
[21:20] <ted586947> been quite a journey :) but all of it is now working so
[21:21] <ted586947> its just a minor glitch in vlc left but
[21:21] <ted586947> i needed to clear out a lot of the cruft that was in there anyway to narrow it down
[21:22] <ted586947> and you helped a lot so cheers and have a good night ;)
[21:24] <somebodyunimport> test
[21:24] <somebodyunimport> ok cool
[21:26] <Chris______> hi again. back trying to get some help with my kubuntu problem: once my laptop goes to sleep, it never wakes up. and that only happens when it's plugged into ac power. reinstalled everything once more a couple of hours ago. same behavior on the live cd. once it freezes, i have to take out the battery, otherwise it's stuck and won't boot anything, can't even get into bios. i'm on the latest kubuntu on a lenovo ideapad s205
[21:28] <Chris______> i got some help earlier today from someone who helped me figure out it only happend on ac power. but i'm still stuck
[21:31] <Chris______> anyone have any ideas? already tried different video drivers
[21:31] <Chris______> ctrl+alt+f1/f7 does nothing when it's frozen, no hdd activity or anything
[21:47] <Chris______> i'm not feeling ignored, i know it's pretty idle here
[22:55] <regedit> what causes Kubuntu's Dolphin view to refresh when file actions are taken (like create/move file etc) ?
[22:55] <Benny_> Hallo i've got a big problem. I startet sudo apt-get remove java* Now many system files are gone and i dont knoe how to repair.
[22:55] <regedit> i'm not seeing that happen in KDE on other distros, it seems to be an open bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244163
[22:55] <regedit> how come it seems to work on Kubuntu?
[22:57] <Benny_> Nobody with an idea?
[22:57] <regedit> sudo apt-get -f install ?
[22:57] <regedit> not sure how much that helps
[22:58] <Benny_> I can not start kubuntu any more
[22:58] <Benny_> i'm hier with live cd
[22:58] <regedit> did you really literally type "sudo apt-get remove java*" ? or did you type it a little different
[22:59] <regedit> ah well then recovery measures need to be taken, bit out of my area of knowledge
[22:59] <Benny_> exactly sudo apt-get remove java*
[23:00] <Benny_> i think it was a very bad idea :(
[23:01] <Benny_> if i do a reinstallation, all my installed programes are away?
[23:04] <regedit> unless your various installation directories ( /usr /opt etc) were on a separate partition, yup
[23:05] <regedit> and even if they are - i barely know what i'm talking about
[23:06] <regedit> if there are specific startup messages/errors feel free to ask/research about them
[23:06] <regedit> it could be an easily remediable issue, could be not
[23:06] <regedit> the more info you dig up & share the better chances someone actually bothering to help :)
[23:08] <Benny_> Dolphin, ocular had been deletet. but widows of both applications were still running. after a reboot. im am able to get access trough network. but there ist just a x for my mouse and nothing else
[23:09] <Benny_> i need to get access to network during recovery mode. nut teher it failed
[23:11] <Benny__> i will rebbot my other pc now for detailed info
[23:13] <Benny__> Would it be helpfull if i save all data from / into /home which is on a seperate partition
[23:19] <Benny__> error: unable to launch "/usr/bin/startkde" X session --- "/usr/bin/startkde" not found; falling back to default session
[23:21] <Benny__> does anybody know how to get a terminal?
[23:22] <regedit> ctrl+alt+F1?
[23:22] <Benny__> yes...thank you very much
[23:23] <regedit> does apt-get have a history/log of installs/uninstalls? maybe you can see the list of packages that may have gotten uninstalled and simply apt-get install them
[23:23] <regedit> in openSUSE YaST2 has a nice history log of every update/install/uninstall action that happens, whether automatically or from command line
[23:24] <Benny__> Thats a very good idea.
[23:24] <regedit> (or is it zypper)
[23:24] <regedit> not sure if such concepts exist in the *buntus with apt-get tho
[23:25] <Benny__> im trying to do apt-get update but ist doesnt work
[23:28] <regedit> Benny__: "it doesnt work" is never helpful, always gather and report much more information than that
[23:29] <regedit> if your system sounds horribly broken it might indeed be time to copy away your important data and reformat
[23:29] <Benny__> :(
[23:30] <valorie> in a console, please try `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[23:31] <regedit> again - unless you can roll up your sleeves & get down 'n dirty doing a lot of googling, trying things, and researching error message output
[23:31] <valorie> Benny__: ^^^
[23:31] <valorie> that should restore you to a working system
[23:31] <valorie> and then you can fix further from there
[23:31] <Benny__> My problem: there are nor error messages
[23:32] <regedit> please describe what *does* happen then
[23:33] <Benny__> now i've got accsess to terminal and network
[23:33] <Benny__> only gui ist broken
[23:33] <regedit> the less you keep us guessing the less patience we lose :)
[23:33] <Benny__> it says 10 packages can bee updated
[23:33] <valorie> then paste or type exactly what I put between the tick marks, Benny__
[23:34] <valorie> of course don't put in the ticks `
[23:34] <Benny__> ok
[23:34] <valorie> regedit: I've been where Benny__ is, and it's sort of scary
[23:35] <regedit> i remember that too, that's when i started keeping data safely separate from OS installations, and don't get very attached to OS installations anymore
[23:35] <regedit> i reformat regularly now
[23:36] <Benny__> My Data ist safe. but i have to install everything again and that takes lots of time
[23:36] <Benny__> So, what should i type in valorie?
[23:40] <Benny__> i think i'll try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:40] <valorie> `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[23:40] <valorie> that entire thing, you can copy/paste or just copy if you are on a different computer
[23:41] <bprompt> Benny__:    when you removed java, how many files it listed it was going to remove?   like 20 or 75?
[23:41] <bprompt> also.. why did you remove java? :/
[23:41] <Benny__> very much
[23:42] <Benny__> i wantet to install version 8
[23:42] <Benny__> and remove 7
[23:42] <bprompt> Benny__:     you mean, it was like 100 files to remove?
[23:42] <Benny__> ja
[23:42] <Benny__> yes
[23:42] <bprompt> hmmm I see.... hmmm
[23:43] <bprompt> likely apt-get, removed a bunch of dependencies that weren't java specific, but system, usually
[23:43] <Benny__> yes i thik so too
[23:44] <bprompt> yes, I've seen it doing that, I think is some flaw in apt-get when removing packages, it hoses unspecific ones
[23:44] <bprompt> Benny__:    well, that means.. you hosed kubuntu pretty much :/
[23:45] <Benny__> yes i did
[23:45] <bprompt> Benny__:    hmmm you could just do a reinstall.... as far as installing everything... what does that mean? how many packages? do you even keep a list of what packages you ever installed?
[23:45] <Benny__> but im looking hopefully on valories tips
[23:46] <Benny__> no i dont have such a list. but there is a log file somewhere
[23:46] <bprompt> well, I'd think a dist-upgrade, will simply do, over a network, what you can do with the usb installation, only difference is, that the usb will do it 25times faster
[23:47] <Benny__> it's back again. Thank you very much
[23:48] <bprompt> Benny__:     what you can salvage is your $HOME directory, that one keeps all your configurations, which are a hassle to redo, font settings, session settings, workspace, themes, caches, aliases and such, so... you'd want to back that up before a reinstall
[23:48] <Benny__> No reinstall nessecary. ist works fone again
[23:49] <bprompt> alrite, all's well that ends well :)
[23:50] <bprompt> Benny__:    now as far as java, just install on top of older version, it'll get updated in place
[23:51] <bprompt> Benny__:     btw, you'd want to make an image of the system, and keep it around, so you can put it back when something happens
[23:51] <bprompt> with something like Clonezilla
[23:52] <Benny__> i'll do this soon. now i have to work. :(
[23:52] <bprompt> k