=== alan_ is now known as alan__ === KnownSyntax_ is now known as KnownSyntax [00:37] kdialog appears to be gone in Wily, are there any good replacements for it (that also use Qt)? [00:39] unascribed: I don't think it's gone, just tried from a Wily install in the building and it's indeed there. [00:39] well, after doing the upgrade kdialog is missing and the package doesn't exist [00:39] I'll check again [00:40] unascribed: It isn't a separate package, appears to be provided by kde-baseapps-bin [00:42] unascribed: Looks like krdc and konsole depend on that package, and those are both in turn dependencies of the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, so perhaps that metapackage got removed during your upgrade? [00:42] no idea, but installing kde-baseapps-bin did fix it [00:42] I just installed the package from Konsole, so no idea [00:43] double no idea :P [00:43] unascribed: You can check if it's installed (and what version and such) via the terminal with "apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop" [00:44] oh, so there is a better way than just listing all installed packages via dpkg and grepping it [00:44] it isn't installed. huh. [00:44] hahaha yup (although I uhhh did that myself for many years before realizing) [00:45] Yeah I bet that the root of the problem, then. Probably worth reinstalling it in case there are other surprise absences lurking! [00:45] ohh, I think I know why it's missing [00:45] Removed baloo? [00:45] I installed MariaDB a while ago since I was testing applications, and Akonadi *requires* MySQL [00:45] so I had to nuke Akonadi [00:45] Ah [00:45] though removing baloo sounds like a good idea too [00:46] ...that would require removing dolphin and plasma [00:46] how about no :P [00:46] Haha [00:47] Well it was still possible with 14.04, which is what I'm writing from right now. It's easy enough to disable if you dislike it, though, and on *most* of my systems it isn't a problem, just this one (which happens to have millions of files in a few folders...) [00:47] yeah, pretty sure I have it disabled [00:47] Hmm interesting that Akonadi depends on mysql. [00:48] I'm running on a (degraded D:) RAID5 array, so my disk bandwidth is in short supply [00:48] yeah, I found it weird too [00:48] especially since it has an alternate SQLite backend [00:48] And postgresql too [00:49] Yeah you'd think it would just depend on something that could in turn be *provided* by MariaDB. [00:49] yeah [00:49] I assumed it depended on a virtual akonadi-backend package [00:49] which in turn was supplied by mysql and sqlite [00:49] apparently not [00:50] maybe they fixed that in the Wily packaging, I haven't checked [00:50] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746651 [00:50] Debian bug 746651 in akonadi-backend-mysql "akonadi-backend-mysql: please make it possible to use with MariaDB packages" [Important,Fixed] [00:50] oh, cool [00:51] And yeah indeed, looking at the package on Wily it seems like one option for the dependency is virtual-mysql-server-core, so MariaDB should be fine now [00:51] cool [00:51] I don't use Akonadi, but nice to know they fixed it [00:51] Yeah, definitely. [00:51] Always nice when things get better over time rather than worse :) [00:52] * keithzg avoids making a quip about Gnome, kindof fails ;) [00:53] unascribed: akonadi is used by PIM apps, like kontact or kmail or knode or korganizer [00:53] yeah, I found that out when trying to decide if it was safe to remove :P [00:53] heheh [00:53] bprompt: Yeah, that's what I use it for (wait, is knode still around?). KMail remains my favourite desktop email client. [00:55] keithzg: IIRC knode hit the can in 15.04, or kde 5.x [00:57] bprompt: Yeah, I remembered it got dropped fairly recently. === kevin is now known as reykev [01:43] hello [01:43] i want to ask [01:44] i am using Kubuntu 15.10 [01:44] when i tried to connect on wifi Kubuntu said "IP configuration was unavailable" [01:45] but when i use other OS, i could connect to same SSID [01:45] how can i solve this ? === cox_ is now known as cox === raul is now known as Guest29310 [01:55] Hola [02:17] Hola [02:18] Hey === Guest29310 is now known as raul [02:18] Puto [02:18] :D === raul is now known as Guest87560 === Guest87560 is now known as raul_ === raul_ is now known as raul__ [02:37] Hello all I was wondering what the best software for photo editing and design are? Also, is there a way to check for Malware? I am new to Linux. [02:45] Um so yeah [02:45] Help? === kevin is now known as Guest96348 [05:30] Hi I'm new to linux. can I run kubuntu as live persitence to try it before I put it on my hard drive? [05:35] yes,you can [05:48] Hey, noob here; I got a question... I'm experancing a bit of a problem, with my NIC. Can someone help me? Or atleast point me in the direction of some reading source that can assist? === IdleOne is now known as Guest25649 [07:14] hello [07:16] i can't install apps from muon software center. every time i click on the install button it shows installing but nothing is installing at all. can anyone help me on this [07:16] i am using kubuntu 15.10 [07:17] parveen: did you enter your user password? [07:17] nothing can install until you do that [07:17] i'm on 15.10 as well [07:22] yes [07:25] parveen: can you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" in a terminal? Reboot if prompted, then try Muon again === terminus is now known as Guest26490 === Guest25649 is now known as IdleOne [10:05] lordievader: so I think Kubuntu-CI is breaking my upgrade to wily [10:05] denza242: So ppa-purge? [10:05] :x [10:05] but that would purge my entire desktop + some qt stuff [10:06] No, it downgrades. It only removes if it ain't available in the 'normal' repos. [10:06] ah [10:07] hmm, so I should do that then, then upgrade, and then re-enable -ci? [10:08] Or that and not re-enable ci. === mozg_ is now known as mozg__ [10:09] :P [10:10] lordievader: it won't blow up Konversation while it downgrades, right? [10:12] No idea. [10:12] fresh install is always fun [10:12] I have no experience with ppa purging Kubuntu-CI. === bonzo is now known as maauso [12:12] Hiyas all [13:01] hi. can anyone here help me with a fresh kubuntu install that never wakes from sleep? everything else seems fine. thanks [13:16] I can maybe make it more interesting by telling you I need to unplug it and remove the battery to get it to boot again? [13:17] Chris______: It is usually quite idle here, so dont feel ignored [13:18] And I do not know much about using suspend/hibernate [13:18] Thanks. Is there usually a chance of someone chiming in, or I should go look elsewhere? [13:20] I think, for your problem to be solved, you would need to get specific info for logs likely [13:20] What is the correct place to report bugs against the german localisation of the upcoming Kubuntu 16.04? [13:21] I've been trying todo that, problem is I can't identify the log... /var/logs/pm-suspend.log is missing for me. Any other useful logs? [13:21] journalctl [13:21] i guess [13:21] prof7bit: check with #ubuntu+1 [13:23] if it's supposed to be in /var/log, then no, don't have it [13:23] Chris______, did you get ris of the UEFI boot and gpt partiton table ? [13:23] Chris______: journalctl is a program [13:23] ris=rid [13:24] BlueKaj, I don't know what gpt is. I installed manually, had to create the EFI partition then copied an .efi file from the live cd to a boot file. then i could boot. [13:25] Chris______, are you sure the OS i in sleep mode? [13:26] I can click sleep, it seems to go there (flashing led on power button), but never wakes up. fan spins up, screen is black === kevin is now known as Guest62175 [13:27] Ctrl+Alt+F1/F6 does nothing [13:27] f7 [13:27] ok [13:27] for a desktop [13:27] it's a lenovo ideapad s205 laptop [13:28] F1 to F6 are VT/TTYs [13:28] mozg: you should create a csetting model [13:29] http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lenovo_ideapad_s205 [13:29] could use google translate [13:29] either way, they don't do anything. doesn't look like the hdd does anything. strange thing is, if i forceit to power off, I need to take out the battery to get it to start up again [13:31] tried changing the video drivers (selecting between the three options I have in "Driver Manger") [13:32] I have the same problem with my lenovo G500, but I don't put the laptop to sleep , it just won't show grub. I have to either remove the baterry for few mins or use usb stick to boot grub. My HDD is no longer using the Windows GPT partitioning , it's DOS since I wiped the disk of all UEFI boot etc and use legacy mode...which i do not recommend. [13:34] never seen grub myself. ever. shift doesn't work [13:35] dont' need any other os, i don't plan to dual boot [13:35] you probly have no timeout in grub [13:36] how would i force that? [13:36] Chris______: Just hold shift after the bios screen. Grub checks if shift is pressed. [13:37] do you have autologin ? [13:37] shift does nothing. no autologin [13:38] left shift [13:38] What version of Kubuntu do you run? [13:38] really? let me try [13:38] latest kubuntu, just got it [13:39] no, no shift works [13:39] Chris______: Right, so systemd is responsible for standby (unless Kubuntu does that differently). What happens when you invoke sleep through 'sudo systemctl' can it awake from that? [13:40] hold on [13:40] Chris______: 'sudo systemctl standby' to be precise. [13:41] a ton of output happens. let me try again with standby [13:41] unknown operation standby. am i missing a dash or somehting? [13:43] Hmm, no I guess Kubuntu doesn't use that (yet). Run 'sudo pm-suspend' and see if it can awake from that. [13:44] ha! yes, it can [13:45] i also have a pm-suspend.log for the first time [13:45] Interesting... [13:45] and all the stuff in there seems to include "success", i see no errors [13:46] I usually try to sleep it by App-Launcher -> Leave -> Sleep (suspend to RAM) [13:47] Chris______: What happens when you run 'qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/kde/Solid/PowerManagement/Actions/SuspendSession org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement.Actions.SuspendSession.suspendToRam'? [13:47] Wow, it started working [13:47] could that have been some sort of permissions error about the log file? [13:48] should I still try the command above? [13:48] Chris______: Yes. [13:50] ok, let me figure that out, i'm on a different computer, copy/paste won't work :) [13:51] ok, it sleeps and wake up normally from the qdbus thing [13:52] That is strange... [13:52] what's strange? it seems to work now? i wanna try a reboot to see if this still works after [13:52] Hitting the sleep button in the menu does pretty much the same thing.. [13:53] i understand. the menu button works too now. gimme a minute to reboot [13:53] Wierd stuff! [13:56] ok, still weird. it only when the laptop is not plugged in to power [13:57] if it's plugged in it doesn't work. i just never thought to check that way [13:58] i've rebooted and am testing it again on battery power just to make sure [13:59] yeah, it works fine, can sleep and wake up when on battery power, but not if plugged in [14:00] Does the 'sudo pm-suspend' still work on battery? [14:00] yes, when on battery everyting is fine [14:01] so, pm-suspend, qdbus and menu button all work on battery. [14:02] just tested pm-suspend while on power. it's stuck... [14:03] in power management i have identical settings for battery and AC power [14:11] Oh, I interpreted that wrong. I thought it didn't work on battery. Hmm. How odd that standby doesn't work when powered. [14:16] i have no usb stuff atached to it, by the way [15:05] Replaced the AMD gpu with an NVIDIA and the world is immediately a better place. I can lock the system without it freezing for 5 minutes now. ^_^ === james is now known as Guest49156 === Guest49156 is now known as james__ === james__ is now known as jimbo2k [17:22] hi there, I've just installed kubuntu. Now I'm facing the problem that if I remove an usb stick then the complete system seems to freeze [17:23] can anybody help me with that? [17:26] If I apply the usb stick everything works fine. I can read any data stored on that stick. But if I release/remove the usb stick ... everything seems to crash [18:36] well I seem to be in a pickle [18:37] my upgrade to wily was interrupted and the only thing that changed was that my sources were bumped to wily [18:40] denza242, you set the sources.list to any OS repos with sed, "example" sudo sed -i 's/saucy/trusty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list [18:40] then apt update it and try again [18:41] so I downgrade it first, then update it? [18:41] that would probly be best, yes [18:42] you can't skip OS releases, thatwill surely break your install [18:43] like vivid to xenial for example [18:43] nah, just vivid -> wily [18:43] ok good [18:44] BluesKaj: if some packages have already been updated, would it be best to manually "upgrade" it to Wily [18:45] denza242, yes, sudo do-release-upgrade [18:47] if you get a message saying , already upgraded , then run, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [18:48] that should finish upgrading any missing packages [19:45] using 15.10 sound output has died recently and fixes are not working - how can i reset the sound settings to their default values again? [19:47] ted586947, which audio chip? [19:48] BluesKaj: not sure -its a dell latitude e6410 laptop [19:50] ted586947, type alsamixer in the terminal , the audio chip will show in th ewupper left. Also if scroll across to audiomute, make sure it's disabled by using down arrow key [19:50] um is this normal [19:50] Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version [19:51] Installing for i386-pc platform. [19:51] denza242, yes [19:51] bah, forgot to remove newlines [19:51] BluesKaj: even if I have a 64 bit CPU? [19:52] denza242, you can opt out if you want and keep your perwsent config [19:52] present/current [19:52] BluesKaj: HDA Intel MID - IDT 92HD81B1C5 - audiomute is not enabled [19:54] ted586947, ok in the terminal do: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel [19:55] ted586947, after certain upgrades to alsa or pulseaudio the intel audio driver fails to load [19:56] BluesKaj: er, I already accepted... [19:56] ...it'll work though still, right? [19:56] you'll need to reboot [19:57] BluesKaj: I did that sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel - hit return - no output in the shell [19:57] there is no output from the modprobe command if the driver loads properly [19:58] good no errors, ted586947 [19:59] BluesKaj: OK if I start VLC and play a video there is no sound but - now if I got to Audio Device and select one for my chip as above it starts working but [20:00] ted586947, vlc has it's own settings oprions in audio and tools [20:01] there is another device default HDA NVIDIA HDMI 0 [20:01] BluesKaj: yes I've tried resetting all VLC prefs to default but there was no impact [20:03] ted586947, well, what kind of sound system are you connecting to the pc? [20:05] nothing - btw if i open System settingsdouble click on multimedia it crashes - tried it several times - not good [20:06] but its been a fairly stable system usually and audio worked out of the box so i expect some sort of reset would work [20:07] ted586947, make sure your packages are up to date, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [20:07] BluesKaj: done that just now - all up to date [20:07] ok [20:08] Kubuntu Podcast link: http://youtu.be/eZH6b6hJi2o It's live right now [20:09] i have something called Cadence installed that I think manages JACK could that be connected - clutching at straws here [20:10] use the analog audio choces in pulseaudio/pavucontrol if you pavu installed [20:12] BluesKaj: installing now - sudo apt-get install pavucontrol [20:13] BluesKaj: $ pavucontrol produces "Fatal Error unable to connect to PulseAudio OK" [20:13] perhaps you don't have pulseaudio installed [20:14] you don't really need it with intel audio unless you want simultaneous audio sources playing [20:16] Hmm, any particular reason why in Wily kstart is installed by kde-runtime while kstart5 is installed by kde-cli-tools? What's the difference? [20:17] but if you have jack installed it could be redirecting the signal to the wrong output [20:17] ted586947,^ [20:18] Oh, huh, kde-runtime is still Qt/KDE 4 based even on Wily? I guess a lot of stuff isn't ported yet, so fair enough. [20:18] BluesKaj: ahh - i think that could be it - would you suggest uninstalling JACK ? Willing to try anything really [20:19] ted586947, jack is mostly used for pro audio or recording [20:20] from mixers etc [20:22] yeah i installed a package of audio progs - i think it came with hydrogen and cadence - but i havent use them much [20:22] ted586947, i use both analog and digital/spdif outputs on my intel chip soundcard ..no pulseaudio or jack [20:24] BluesKaj: ok im going to try uninstalling JACK and whatever goes with it via synaptic - i can always reinstall later [20:25] both spdif digital and analog go to my audio receiver, but the analog could run a powered speaker system if needed [20:25] ted586947, yes good idea [20:28] !hydrogen [20:28] !info hydrogen [20:28] hydrogen (source: hydrogen): advanced drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.6.1-1build1 (wily), package size 4799 kB, installed size 18368 kB [20:28] !info cadence [20:28] Package cadence does not exist in wily [20:29] BluesKaj: kxstudio meta packages going with removal of JACK - i must have got them in a PPA [20:30] right thats all done - quite a lot gone - should it need a reboot [20:31] do you have pulseaudio installed ? [20:32] ted586947,^ [20:32] BluesKaj: how would I know? [20:33] just type it in the terminal or search in the package manager [20:33] yes pulseaudio is installed according to synaptic [20:35] it's your choice , it can help in some cases, don't let my prejudices affect your choices :-) [20:36] but if you decide to uninstall it use purge [20:36] bit bizzare - reset vlc prefs to default - launched it on a video - audio played - the VLC preferences popped up i clicked on and they disappearted - the audio stopped [20:36] im happy to purge pulseaudio [20:37] ted586947, check audio devices [20:37] on vlc [20:37] ok purge pulse then reboot [20:38] in vlc theres a list of about 30 audio devices - most of them duplicates [20:39] yeah, just choose the first analog [20:40] and in the tools/audio choose alsa output in the drop down [20:40] BluesKaj: that works - it always resets to the notworking one [20:42] purging pulseaudio now then rebooting - hope to see you on the other side, tx for the guidance so far [20:43] once the tools/audio settings are saved then go back to audio devices and choose one analog , it could be your choice in system settings multimedia needs to be changed to alsa [20:47] once the tools/audio settings are saved then go back to audio devices and choose one analog , it could be your choice in system settings multimedia needs to be changed to alsa [20:47] ted586947,^ [20:53] ted586947, just ignore the pulse option...it still shows up due to the bluetooth libs I think [20:53] rebooted with progress - now - youtube audio working fine - dragon player audio working fine - System Settings Audio the tests play fine - vlc still no audio until I select the correct audio device [20:54] yeah that's a problem with vlc, my setup requires the same reset [20:55] if i want to listen thru my wireless headphones I use the analog setting in vlc audio devices [20:56] BluesKaj: its so odd - its still defaults to the not working NVIDIA device despite resetting [20:57] just vlc - the rest seems to be working fine - odd cos VLC has been such a reliable prog for me for years [20:57] ted586947, are you saving the setting in vlc/tools/audio? [20:59] make sure alsa is the default at the top of the list in systemsettings>multimedia>devicepreference>music [21:00] i jusdt did that - restarted vlc - launched a file in vlc got 1 second of audio then silence - like my just set vlc prefs got overridden somehow just after launch [21:01] i only have one now in systemsettings>multimedia>devicepreference>music just "Default" - but the test on it plays audio fine [21:03] purging vlc then reinstalling just to check if that makes a difference [21:04] ted586947: have you already tried deleting your config data for, it's vlc right? [21:05] yep tried that a few times unfortunately [21:05] Ok [21:07] somewhere VLCs prefs are getting overridden - so even if i save the correct ones a second after launch they are reset back to the broken option - well getting all my audio bar vlc working is good progress :) [21:09] ted586947, http://imgur.com/MqyYXYm and http://imgur.com/4jtjEdh [21:13] BluesKaj: first pic (VLC) is the same as mine - second pic SystemSettings all I got is "Default" - no "alsa" or "pulseaudio" options [21:15] ted586947, just ignore the pulse audio when it appears, alsa should show up after a reboot [21:16] i could purge reinstall alsa ? [21:16] no need [21:17] make sure you have alsa and alsa-utils installed [21:17] alsa-base [21:17] too [21:18] yes all three are there [21:18] oops no more alsa base, I forgot [21:18] ok I [21:19] I'm on a dev OS so things have changed here [21:19] thanks for your help mate [21:19] BluesKaj: ^^^ [21:20] it's been a long day, think i'm done [21:20] np ted586947 , hope it works out [21:20] been quite a journey :) but all of it is now working so [21:21] its just a minor glitch in vlc left but [21:21] i needed to clear out a lot of the cruft that was in there anyway to narrow it down [21:22] and you helped a lot so cheers and have a good night ;) === sunnysavannah is now known as somebodyunimport === nescius_ is now known as nescius [21:24] test [21:24] ok cool [21:26] hi again. back trying to get some help with my kubuntu problem: once my laptop goes to sleep, it never wakes up. and that only happens when it's plugged into ac power. reinstalled everything once more a couple of hours ago. same behavior on the live cd. once it freezes, i have to take out the battery, otherwise it's stuck and won't boot anything, can't even get into bios. i'm on the latest kubuntu on a lenovo ideapad s205 [21:28] i got some help earlier today from someone who helped me figure out it only happend on ac power. but i'm still stuck [21:31] anyone have any ideas? already tried different video drivers [21:31] ctrl+alt+f1/f7 does nothing when it's frozen, no hdd activity or anything [21:47] i'm not feeling ignored, i know it's pretty idle here === user is now known as Maratus [22:55] what causes Kubuntu's Dolphin view to refresh when file actions are taken (like create/move file etc) ? [22:55] Hallo i've got a big problem. I startet sudo apt-get remove java* Now many system files are gone and i dont knoe how to repair. [22:55] i'm not seeing that happen in KDE on other distros, it seems to be an open bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244163 [22:55] KDE bug 244163 in general "Dolphin doesn't refresh the folder list until I press F5" [Normal,Reopened] [22:55] how come it seems to work on Kubuntu? [22:57] Nobody with an idea? [22:57] sudo apt-get -f install ? [22:57] not sure how much that helps [22:58] I can not start kubuntu any more [22:58] i'm hier with live cd [22:58] did you really literally type "sudo apt-get remove java*" ? or did you type it a little different [22:59] ah well then recovery measures need to be taken, bit out of my area of knowledge [22:59] exactly sudo apt-get remove java* [23:00] i think it was a very bad idea :( [23:01] if i do a reinstallation, all my installed programes are away? [23:04] unless your various installation directories ( /usr /opt etc) were on a separate partition, yup [23:05] and even if they are - i barely know what i'm talking about [23:06] if there are specific startup messages/errors feel free to ask/research about them [23:06] it could be an easily remediable issue, could be not [23:06] the more info you dig up & share the better chances someone actually bothering to help :) [23:08] Dolphin, ocular had been deletet. but widows of both applications were still running. after a reboot. im am able to get access trough network. but there ist just a x for my mouse and nothing else [23:09] i need to get access to network during recovery mode. nut teher it failed [23:11] i will rebbot my other pc now for detailed info [23:13] Would it be helpfull if i save all data from / into /home which is on a seperate partition [23:19] error: unable to launch "/usr/bin/startkde" X session --- "/usr/bin/startkde" not found; falling back to default session [23:21] does anybody know how to get a terminal? [23:22] ctrl+alt+F1? [23:22] yes...thank you very much [23:23] does apt-get have a history/log of installs/uninstalls? maybe you can see the list of packages that may have gotten uninstalled and simply apt-get install them [23:23] in openSUSE YaST2 has a nice history log of every update/install/uninstall action that happens, whether automatically or from command line [23:24] Thats a very good idea. [23:24] (or is it zypper) [23:24] not sure if such concepts exist in the *buntus with apt-get tho [23:25] im trying to do apt-get update but ist doesnt work === mint is now known as Guest49556 [23:28] Benny__: "it doesnt work" is never helpful, always gather and report much more information than that [23:29] if your system sounds horribly broken it might indeed be time to copy away your important data and reformat [23:29] :( [23:30] in a console, please try `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop` [23:31] again - unless you can roll up your sleeves & get down 'n dirty doing a lot of googling, trying things, and researching error message output [23:31] Benny__: ^^^ [23:31] that should restore you to a working system [23:31] and then you can fix further from there [23:31] My problem: there are nor error messages [23:32] please describe what *does* happen then [23:33] now i've got accsess to terminal and network [23:33] only gui ist broken [23:33] the less you keep us guessing the less patience we lose :) [23:33] it says 10 packages can bee updated [23:33] then paste or type exactly what I put between the tick marks, Benny__ [23:34] of course don't put in the ticks ` [23:34] ok [23:34] regedit: I've been where Benny__ is, and it's sort of scary [23:35] i remember that too, that's when i started keeping data safely separate from OS installations, and don't get very attached to OS installations anymore [23:35] i reformat regularly now [23:36] My Data ist safe. but i have to install everything again and that takes lots of time [23:36] So, what should i type in valorie? [23:40] i think i'll try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [23:40] `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop` [23:40] that entire thing, you can copy/paste or just copy if you are on a different computer [23:41] Benny__: when you removed java, how many files it listed it was going to remove? like 20 or 75? [23:41] also.. why did you remove java? :/ [23:41] very much [23:42] i wantet to install version 8 [23:42] and remove 7 [23:42] Benny__: you mean, it was like 100 files to remove? [23:42] ja [23:42] yes [23:42] hmmm I see.... hmmm [23:43] likely apt-get, removed a bunch of dependencies that weren't java specific, but system, usually [23:43] yes i thik so too [23:44] yes, I've seen it doing that, I think is some flaw in apt-get when removing packages, it hoses unspecific ones [23:44] Benny__: well, that means.. you hosed kubuntu pretty much :/ [23:45] yes i did [23:45] Benny__: hmmm you could just do a reinstall.... as far as installing everything... what does that mean? how many packages? do you even keep a list of what packages you ever installed? [23:45] but im looking hopefully on valories tips [23:46] no i dont have such a list. but there is a log file somewhere [23:46] well, I'd think a dist-upgrade, will simply do, over a network, what you can do with the usb installation, only difference is, that the usb will do it 25times faster [23:47] it's back again. Thank you very much [23:48] Benny__: what you can salvage is your $HOME directory, that one keeps all your configurations, which are a hassle to redo, font settings, session settings, workspace, themes, caches, aliases and such, so... you'd want to back that up before a reinstall [23:48] No reinstall nessecary. ist works fone again [23:49] alrite, all's well that ends well :) [23:50] Benny__: now as far as java, just install on top of older version, it'll get updated in place [23:51] Benny__: btw, you'd want to make an image of the system, and keep it around, so you can put it back when something happens [23:51] with something like Clonezilla [23:52] i'll do this soon. now i have to work. :( [23:52] k