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didrocksgood morning06:33
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pittiGood morning07:22
pittiça va didrocks !07:22
seb128good morning desktopers07:22
didrocksbonjour pitti, ça va, et toi ?07:22
seb128hey pitti, wie gehts?07:22
pittibonjour seb128 !07:22
pittididrocks: ça va bien, merci ! le match de basketball hier était grand07:23
pittiseb128: gut, danke! ein bisschen muede. Und Dir?07:23
seb128la même chose07:23
didrockspitti: content que tu te sois amusé au match de basket ;)07:24
seb128j'aurais bien dormi un peu plus07:24
pittididrocks: I was quite good yesterday for a change, I scored some 15 times07:25
pittiit's all psychology07:25
didrockspitti: waow, nice!07:26
seb128pitti is on his way to play in NBA ;-)07:34
pittiseb128: yes, my role is to sell hot dogs to the audience!07:34
seb128lol07:34
didrockspitti: interesting, plymouth's debian version is now shipping their theme renderer in /usr/lib and not /lib. I think we want to follow that07:36
pittididrocks: oh, you are merging plymouth? *hug*07:37
didrockspitti: well… nobody did it in years, someone has to do it07:37
pittididrocks: ah, the /usr mount in initramfs happens earlier than that?07:37
pittisounds a bit strange07:37
didrocksI think that's not going to be done shortly07:37
pittiit's something that should be covered by plymouth (fsck and stuff)07:37
didrockspitti: isn't the renderer copied in initramfs? (I didn't go to that part yet)07:38
pittididrocks: yeah, it's certainly a mouthful, but thanks for doing this!  it's indeed overdue07:38
pittididrocks: ah, yes, that can be07:38
pittithen shipping it in /usr is of course totally fine07:38
didrockswell, I guess we'll see once the merge is done and pushed to a ppa :p07:38
didrocksI'll request as much testing as possible, because… well, the packages really diverged07:39
didrocks(even the initramfs hooks locations and content changed…)07:39
pittiI hope the eventual delta is rather small, the art is to find which is still important07:41
* pitti sobs at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/status/alerts/ and goes to clean up stuff07:41
didrockspitti: yeah, I'm looking the plymouth-upstart bridge and will shed a tear before rm :p07:42
didrockspitti: I hope the resulting diff to be small as wel07:42
didrockswell*07:43
pittididrocks: we don't use plymouth on the phone, right?07:43
didrockspitti: note that I remember07:43
pittiso if people don't get plymouth if they boot with upstart, that's fine07:43
didrocksnot*07:43
didrocksyeah07:43
didrocksplymouth (0.8.1-1) lucid; urgency=low08:18
didrockszomg, debian version with ubuntu release name in changelog08:18
didrocksreally confusing…08:18
didrocks(and multiple of them…)08:19
dholbachhey hey08:20
dholbachis anyone here on xenial who also has BIG icons on their desktop and in nautilus?08:20
dholbachlike HUGE08:20
seb128dholbach, hey, yes, it's the new upstream UI08:28
dholbachwhat?08:29
dholbachthis is serious?08:29
seb128yes08:30
dholbachand it's going to stay like this?08:31
seb128rational is that it gives you a better look of the image previews, etc08:31
seb128I don't know, we are taking feedback and might change the default zoom level08:31
seb128I find it ridiculous myself and set it to the lowest value08:31
seb128still quite big08:31
dholbachif I look at files which have no previews the icons are much too aggressively big08:32
seb128yeah, I think so08:32
seb128welcome to GNOME UI design though08:33
seb128https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74844108:34
ubot5Gnome bug 748441 in Views: Icon View "Icons too large for Natilus/Files" [Normal,Needinfo]08:34
dholbachI'm happy for them to try something new ;-)08:35
seb128dholbach, can you open a bug in launchpad about that maybe so we can use to track the issue?08:35
dholbachseb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/152231608:40
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1522316 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Icons are too big" [Undecided,New]08:40
seb128dholbach, thanks08:41
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Laneyhi09:01
pittihey Laney, how are you?09:01
didrockshey Laney09:02
Laneyhi didrocks pitti09:03
Laneydoing alright thanks!09:03
seb128hey Laney, even one minute earlier today!09:03
Laneyhi seb12809:04
Laneyit was 09:00 when I opened my laptop even09:04
pittiwow, seb128 is quite a note keeper09:04
LaneyI hope that someone is keeping track of when I leave :P09:04
seb128pitti, :-)09:04
Laneyhow are you all?09:04
seb128good! you?09:04
pittigreat, thanks!09:04
Laneyoh we have s390x in launchpad now09:05
didrockscrying :p09:05
pittinew toys to play with^Wthings to worry about^Wmachines to dominate the world on^Wcan't make up my mind09:06
seb128more weird archs to fix build issues on :-/09:09
Laneyprobably more or less alriggt09:10
Laneyit's been in debian for years09:10
pittis390x is big endian, isn't it? we should have fixed most stuff on powerpc already09:10
seb128that's the theory09:11
seb128in practice I noticed that some people have been busy trying to get mir and qt and other things to build on it in xenial09:12
pittibut we don't really care about that on s39009:12
pittiif they fail there, it's fine09:12
seb128well, no mir means gtk can't build09:12
pittiit's just if they build once and *then* start failing09:12
seb128or we need to disable the mir backend on that arch09:13
pittiseb128: do we have mir on ppc64el, for example?09:13
pittiI don't think many people would mind if gtk is missing on s39009:13
seb128yes09:13
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/0.17.1+16.04.20151105.1-0ubuntu109:13
seb128but yeah, maybe, let's see09:14
seb128I assume whoever is adding the arch is doing it for a good reason ;-)09:14
pittiseb128: yes, but it's a server platform09:17
seb128right09:17
LaneyThere's a certain amount of effort required to bootstrap09:24
Laneyand where we have hardcoded arch lists for stuff they will need looking at09:24
Trevinhomorning09:26
didrockshey Trevinho09:27
willcookemorning Trevinho09:27
* Trevinho 's morning always starts with Ubuntu... http://farm1.staticflickr.com/622/23407758481_3585914216_b.jpg09:31
willcooke:)09:32
Laneyhaha09:32
Laneythese huge nautilus icons are funny09:32
Laneymight be disruptive to people who use desktop icons09:34
LaneyI like the headerbar though09:35
Laneyit looks nice to me09:35
* Trevinho doesn't agree about HB... :P09:36
Laneywhy?09:37
seb128hey Trevinho!09:37
Laneyhi Trevinho09:37
Trevinhohi Laney, seb128 .. (and previously didrocks)! :-)09:37
seb128Laney, the icons are as big in nautilus views, I found them too much there as well09:37
Laneyyeah I saw those first then wondered if it also applied to the desktop09:39
Laneycould just be new UI effect though09:39
Laneylike the gnome-terminal tab bar which is now "whatever" to me09:39
didrockshum, I'm lost on that one09:42
didrockshttps://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=plymouth-log-viewer&mode=exactfilename&suite=unstable&arch=any09:42
didrocks-> shows up that plymouth-x11 contains in sid plymouth-log-viewer09:42
didrocksclicking on it, clicking on file list09:42
willcookespooky, kernel modules compiling as part of an upgrade09:42
didrockshttps://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/plymouth-x11/filelist09:42
didrocks-> none ?09:42
didrockswillcooke: dkms?09:42
willcookeyeah09:43
willcookenever noticed it before09:43
didrocksbeen like that for years ;)09:43
willcookesuddenly the fans start going and I see CC running09:43
didrocksah, it's in the older package like powerpcspe09:44
didrockshum, I think I'll follow debian and keep log-viewer disable by now (it's also disabled upstream for quite long)09:48
didrocksand we have systemd for messages09:48
seb128what is log-viewer?09:50
didrocksplymouth-log-viewer, a gtk apps to see plymouth logs09:51
didrocks(basically messages sent to it)09:51
seb128I don't many users need it09:52
seb128I would just go with debian ;-)09:52
didrocksyep, that's what I've done09:52
didrocksbut I have also removed the manpage then09:53
didrockswhat debian didn't do (I'll forward that) :p09:53
didrocksand less diff, because we used to move it to another package to avoid gtk dep)09:54
larsugood "morning"09:56
didrockshey larsu09:57
seb128hey larsu!09:57
seb128gym again today?09:57
larsuno, some errands this morning09:57
larsuhow are you?09:57
seb128I'm good, thank!s09:59
seb128how are you?10:00
larsugreat! Got sore muscles from the new workout yesterday (got a plan from one of the trainers...)10:01
Laneyhey larsu10:01
LaneyI read that as 'some' muscles10:01
Laneyand got a sexy mental image10:01
Laney(ahem)10:01
larsuhaha morning Laney ;)10:03
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Laneyseb128: seems you have to kill/respawn nautilus after upgrading it to 3.1810:26
Laneyotherwise commandline arguments don't work10:26
Laneycouldn't open a directory from unity10:26
seb128Laney, how do we usually deal with those? we can't just kill the process, copies might be ongoing10:30
seb128another reason why "in session updates" are not a good idea...10:30
LaneyI'm not sure10:31
Laneymight be that the new one could handle it somehow10:31
seb128did you look what the issue was?10:33
seb128like invalid argument?10:33
LaneyGDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Application does not handle command line arguments10:35
Laneyoops10:35
Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/152234810:35
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1522348 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Can't open directories without restarting Nautilus after upgrading from 3.14 to 3.18" [Undecided,New]10:35
seb128thanks10:35
seb128I've the feeling it's going to be non trivial to support10:35
Laneyyeah10:41
Laneymight just be a you have to restart your session thing10:41
seb128yes10:41
andyrockmonring ☀️ :coffee:10:43
seb128hey andyrock10:47
Laneyyo andyrock11:33
* Laney looks at some poppler/gdal11:35
seb128ah, good!11:36
Laneylibreoffice is in there :(11:43
seb128yeah :-/11:44
davmor2Laney: seb128: should the new gnome apps that are going to be default be installed now on my system that I am updating daily?11:55
Laneyyou will get them automatically if that is what you are asking11:56
davmor2Laney: yes but should I for example get gnome calendar on my system today or is it not yet seeded11:57
Laneynot done yet, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.xenial/view/head:/desktop11:58
willcookePlaying with new Nautilus.. don't like the new rename pop-up.  Connecting to SSH servers doesn't seem to work any more.  Also - do we get that new GDrive integration?11:59
seb128willcooke, what's wrong with ssh servers?12:00
seb128wfm12:00
Laneyme too12:00
willcookesad face12:00
seb128GDrive, sort of, it relies on gnome-online-account, so only if you configure an account in gnome-control-center.real/under GNOME12:00
willcookeConnect to: ssh://will@server:/home/will/12:00
willcookeseb128,@ Gdrive - ack.  I like the sound of it, so I might have a play12:01
willcooke@ ssh - tried scp too, no dice12:01
meetingologywillcooke: Error: "ssh" is not a valid command.12:01
willcookeoh, you dont put the path in12:01
Laneynot the colon12:02
willcookeah12:02
willcookethanks Laney12:02
willcookeany opinions on the rename?   I liked it being inline before.  Maybe I need to contemporise, man?12:03
davmor2Laney: ah thanks that would explain why I'm not seeing it then :)12:03
LaneySeems okay to me, just different12:04
LaneyI wouldn't think worth maintaining a patch to change it12:04
willcookefair12:04
seb128willcooke, I think it's minor, the new dialog is functional et you don't rename that often12:04
willcookeThe alignment is wrong for me right now, I'll play and take a screenshot12:05
willcookeof the pop up12:05
seb128yes, please do12:05
seb128seems fine there12:05
seb128could be a few pixels of the middle but I'm unsure and not good at seeing those small things12:05
Laneyseb128: wdyt about demoting node-srs node-millstone node-carto openstreetmap-carto to xenial-proposed?12:08
willcookehttp://imgur.com/a/8G0Ds  (alignment on rename)12:09
larsulooks good!12:09
seb128Laney, I can confirm that, on desktop only though12:10
seb128ups12:10
seb128willcooke, ^12:10
seb128Laney, I'm fine on principal, what's the rational?12:10
seb128they fail to build and are not easy to fix?12:10
Laneyftbfs, needs rebuild for gdal12:10
Laneyonly the first one12:10
Laneythe rest are deps12:10
Laneythere is some problem with node in proposed12:11
seb128k12:11
seb128I can demote those12:11
Laneythanks12:12
Laneythe rename thing doesn't happen for me12:15
Laneyweird12:15
willcookeodd12:15
willcookeShall I log a bug?12:15
seb128yes please12:15
willcookewhich package?12:15
seb128nautilus12:15
willcooke(I should have learned this by now)12:15
willcookethanks12:15
seb128yw12:17
seb128Laney, ok, those are demoted12:17
seb128and now lunch12:17
seb128bbiab12:17
Laneygreat!12:17
Laneyin your FACE node12:17
willcookehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/152238312:18
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1522383 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Rename dialog on desktop is misaligned" [Undecided,New]12:18
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seb128Laney, didrocks, do you have signon-plugin-password installed?13:29
seb128installing it makes things work on my xenial iso test13:30
seb128(well, after killing evolution-source-registery and evolution-calendar-factory, which is another issue)13:30
Laneyyep13:32
seb128yep you have it?13:33
Laneyi do13:33
Laneyand oauth2 too13:33
seb128bah13:33
seb128so for me booting xenial daily, adding a google account, killing e-s-r and e-c-f and starting gnome-calendar doesn't list anything13:35
seb128installing signon-plugin-password and redoing the same and I get the calendar listed13:35
LaneyI'll try the debugging steps on the laptop13:37
Laneyafter lunch13:37
didrocksseb128: installed here as well13:39
didrocks(both)13:39
seb128didrocks, did you try to kill e-s-r and e-c-f after adding the account?13:40
didrocksseb128: not the source registry13:42
didrocksI did kill e-c-f multiple times13:42
didrocksbut I rebooted meanwhile13:42
didrockslet's see if the calendar is here now13:42
seb128with the account still configured?13:42
seb128k13:42
seb128thanks13:42
didrocksyep13:42
didrocksso no, nothing appearing13:42
didrocks(I keep it opened in case syncing takes time…)13:43
seb128k, another issue then :-/13:44
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didrocksyeah… :/13:45
seb128nop, not 2fa13:51
seb128I was trying with my personnal google account13:51
seb128just tried with the canonical one13:51
seb128same, it works after restarting the e-d-s processes13:51
seb128(I had one case where I had to kill signond as well)13:51
seb128didrocks, the uoa panel lists the google account as enable and calendar is on?13:52
seb128nothing obvious as an error in syslog?13:52
didrocksseb128: yeah, same than yesterday13:55
seb128k, dunno, maybe an amd64 specific issue13:57
seb128I did several fresh boot on xenial daily issue and it always works here13:58
seb128but I'm on 32bits13:58
didrocksunsure, let's see once Laney started to debug on his side, no need for all of us to debug (apart ifin the end, those are different issues)13:59
seb128yeah14:03
Laneyummmm14:52
Laneywhat should I check?14:52
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seb128Laney, I'm unsure, I can't reproduce from an iso and it means it needs more debugging from somebody having the issue, but it can be kept as a post-ff bugfix item15:07
ricotzseb128, hi, did you have a look at the nautilus zeitgeist patch?15:18
seb128ricotz, not yet, doing that now15:18
ricotzsomething seems off with the "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain" stuff in gcr15:19
ricotzseb128, thanks15:19
seb128how so?15:19
ricotz /usr/share/applications/gcr-viewer.desktop contains "X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component=gcrX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gcr"15:19
seb128hum, that looks wrong indeed15:20
Laneymissing \n15:28
seb128Laney, in where?15:31
Laneydunno, the desktop.in.in looks ok15:37
Laneyalso15:37
LaneyI just installed that password package on an iso15:37
seb128pkgbinarymangler (or whatever adds the line) should deal with no trailing new line15:37
Laneyit works after adding and restarting the session15:38
seb128ah, good!15:38
seb128so similar to my testing15:38
Laneydon't really want to restart my desktop session15:38
Laneybut killing eds-* and signon* doesn't get it15:38
Laneyhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13646317/15:39
seb128k, it does on the iso for me15:39
Laneyso maybe this is still broken15:39
seb128right, likely a different issue15:39
seb128also the fact that it uses password and not oauth is also a bug15:40
seb128but that might be https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74997415:40
ubot5Gnome bug 749974 in Contacts "Use OAuth2 for Google sources" [Major,Resolved: fixed]15:40
seb128which is fixed in 3.19+15:40
seb128Laney, also upstream is going to drop the prompter binary that uses gtk in the next cycles15:43
Laneywhat is that?15:43
seb128ricotz, uploaded, thanks15:43
seb128Laney, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=78317215:44
ubot5Debian bug 783172 in evolution-data-server "evolution-data-server: Split out the GTK depends in their own binary" [Wishlist,Open]15:44
seb128Laney, the bits I splitted out in that one15:44
LaneyI don't think I've seen that15:44
Laneynot this time anyway15:44
seb128no, it's unrelated to the issue we were discussing15:44
seb128I just asked about it while I was speaking to them15:45
Laneyoh ok15:45
seb128if it was fine to split it15:45
seb128and they said it's going away15:45
Laneyah15:51
LaneyI got it now!15:51
seb128oh?15:51
seb128what I was saying or the evo bug? ;-)15:52
Laneythe accounts15:52
Laneycalendars*15:52
seb128how?15:52
Laneymissed to pkill evolution-*15:52
Laneyjust did eds15:52
Laneyso the bug is that you need to kill processes to get new accounts to show up15:53
seb128yeah, that's a known/confirmed bug15:54
seb128so didrocks is having another issue, because that didn't do it for him15:54
Laneyeds upstream plan to fix it?15:54
Laneyor is it signond? /me sucks at this stack15:54
didrocksso many bugs…15:55
didrocksI don't have evolution installed though15:55
Laneyme neither15:55
Laneythis is evolution-calendar-factory in eds15:56
didrocksyeah, so… I restarted my session since yesterday15:56
Laneyand/or evolution-source-registry15:56
didrockswith the account created15:56
didrocksso, I should have it fixed here15:56
Laneythen I guess get the debugging info and show mardy15:56
didrocksyep, not today though, but tomorrow morning15:57
didrockswhere is the bug info with debugging steps already?15:57
Laneydunno, I just saw on #ubuntu-devel today15:59
Laney03/12 09:18:17 <mardy> seb128: but to debug the notification: please do "echo 'LoggingLevel=2' > ~/.config/signond.conf", then kill signond, try again, and you should get some info in the syslog15:59
Laney03/12 09:19:05 <mardy> seb128: and to get even more info: kill signon-ui, and run this on a terminal: SSOUI_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 SSOUI_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 signon-ui15:59
Laney03/12 09:19:42 <mardy> seb128: if then you could share these logs with me, it could help (make sure to replace any tokens with XXXXX)15:59
didrocksok, logged, thx Laney!16:00
seb128Laney, upstream said that "evolution-source-registry does listen for "account-created" on an ag_manager_new(); object" so it should work16:01
seb128I'm doing a build atm to see if I can find out some issue16:01
Laneyok, thanks for looking into it!16:02
seb128yw!16:02
* Laney dbuses the bus of d16:02
seb128:-)16:02
seb128Laney, I know why you don't have the rename popover misplacement16:18
Laneydon't say hidpi16:18
seb128Laney, your launcher is configured to hide, right?16:18
Laneybecause I tried it on two machines16:18
Laneyah!16:18
Laneyyes of course16:18
seb128:-)16:18
Laneywhat's that got to do with it?16:18
seb128it seems it doesn't account for docks for the placement16:18
seb128well, it's shifted by the launcher width16:19
seb128unsure what's wrong in nautilus code though16:19
seb128didn't look at it16:19
seb128but I guess they don't use the right area16:19
didrocksok, I guess that's enough for today :)17:06
didrockssee you tomorrow guys!17:06
willcookesee ya didrocks17:07
didrocksgood night willcooke17:07
Laneybye di17:07
willcookeha17:07
Laneyblast it17:08
willcookeqengho, should that xdg open bug be fixed for me in your ppa yet?  cos it isn't (I think)17:12
qenghowillcooke: I don't think so. I made a debdiff package for X main, and someone jumped in front of me so my diff doesn't apply now and it hasn't been applied.17:14
qenghoI need to update it. I will.17:14
willcookehehe, no worries - just checking to make sure I wasn't missing something17:15
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willcookeg'night all18:01
seb128night18:07

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