[06:33] good morning === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert === maclin1 is now known as maclin [07:22] Good morning [07:22] ça va didrocks ! [07:22] good morning desktopers [07:22] bonjour pitti, ça va, et toi ? [07:22] hey pitti, wie gehts? [07:22] bonjour seb128 ! [07:23] didrocks: ça va bien, merci ! le match de basketball hier était grand [07:23] seb128: gut, danke! ein bisschen muede. Und Dir? [07:23] la même chose [07:24] pitti: content que tu te sois amusé au match de basket ;) [07:24] j'aurais bien dormi un peu plus [07:25] didrocks: I was quite good yesterday for a change, I scored some 15 times [07:25] it's all psychology [07:26] pitti: waow, nice! [07:34] pitti is on his way to play in NBA ;-) [07:34] seb128: yes, my role is to sell hot dogs to the audience! [07:34] lol [07:36] pitti: interesting, plymouth's debian version is now shipping their theme renderer in /usr/lib and not /lib. I think we want to follow that [07:37] didrocks: oh, you are merging plymouth? *hug* [07:37] pitti: well… nobody did it in years, someone has to do it [07:37] didrocks: ah, the /usr mount in initramfs happens earlier than that? [07:37] sounds a bit strange [07:37] I think that's not going to be done shortly [07:37] it's something that should be covered by plymouth (fsck and stuff) [07:38] pitti: isn't the renderer copied in initramfs? (I didn't go to that part yet) [07:38] didrocks: yeah, it's certainly a mouthful, but thanks for doing this! it's indeed overdue [07:38] didrocks: ah, yes, that can be [07:38] then shipping it in /usr is of course totally fine [07:38] well, I guess we'll see once the merge is done and pushed to a ppa :p [07:39] I'll request as much testing as possible, because… well, the packages really diverged [07:39] (even the initramfs hooks locations and content changed…) [07:41] I hope the eventual delta is rather small, the art is to find which is still important [07:41] * pitti sobs at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/status/alerts/ and goes to clean up stuff [07:42] pitti: yeah, I'm looking the plymouth-upstart bridge and will shed a tear before rm :p [07:42] pitti: I hope the resulting diff to be small as wel [07:43] well* [07:43] didrocks: we don't use plymouth on the phone, right? [07:43] pitti: note that I remember [07:43] so if people don't get plymouth if they boot with upstart, that's fine [07:43] not* [07:43] yeah [08:18] plymouth (0.8.1-1) lucid; urgency=low [08:18] zomg, debian version with ubuntu release name in changelog [08:18] really confusing… [08:19] (and multiple of them…) [08:20] hey hey [08:20] is anyone here on xenial who also has BIG icons on their desktop and in nautilus? [08:20] like HUGE [08:28] dholbach, hey, yes, it's the new upstream UI [08:29] what? [08:29] this is serious? [08:30] yes [08:31] and it's going to stay like this? [08:31] rational is that it gives you a better look of the image previews, etc [08:31] I don't know, we are taking feedback and might change the default zoom level [08:31] I find it ridiculous myself and set it to the lowest value [08:31] still quite big [08:32] if I look at files which have no previews the icons are much too aggressively big [08:32] yeah, I think so [08:33] welcome to GNOME UI design though [08:34] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748441 [08:34] Gnome bug 748441 in Views: Icon View "Icons too large for Natilus/Files" [Normal,Needinfo] [08:35] I'm happy for them to try something new ;-) [08:35] dholbach, can you open a bug in launchpad about that maybe so we can use to track the issue? [08:40] seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/1522316 [08:40] Ubuntu bug 1522316 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Icons are too big" [Undecided,New] [08:41] dholbach, thanks === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso [09:01] hi [09:01] hey Laney, how are you? [09:02] hey Laney [09:03] hi didrocks pitti [09:03] doing alright thanks! [09:03] hey Laney, even one minute earlier today! [09:04] hi seb128 [09:04] it was 09:00 when I opened my laptop even [09:04] wow, seb128 is quite a note keeper [09:04] I hope that someone is keeping track of when I leave :P [09:04] pitti, :-) [09:04] how are you all? [09:04] good! you? [09:04] great, thanks! [09:05] oh we have s390x in launchpad now [09:05] crying :p [09:06] new toys to play with^Wthings to worry about^Wmachines to dominate the world on^Wcan't make up my mind [09:09] more weird archs to fix build issues on :-/ [09:10] probably more or less alriggt [09:10] it's been in debian for years [09:10] s390x is big endian, isn't it? we should have fixed most stuff on powerpc already [09:11] that's the theory [09:12] in practice I noticed that some people have been busy trying to get mir and qt and other things to build on it in xenial [09:12] but we don't really care about that on s390 [09:12] if they fail there, it's fine [09:12] well, no mir means gtk can't build [09:12] it's just if they build once and *then* start failing [09:13] or we need to disable the mir backend on that arch [09:13] seb128: do we have mir on ppc64el, for example? [09:13] I don't think many people would mind if gtk is missing on s390 [09:13] yes [09:13] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/0.17.1+16.04.20151105.1-0ubuntu1 [09:14] but yeah, maybe, let's see [09:14] I assume whoever is adding the arch is doing it for a good reason ;-) [09:17] seb128: yes, but it's a server platform [09:17] right [09:24] There's a certain amount of effort required to bootstrap [09:24] and where we have hardcoded arch lists for stuff they will need looking at [09:26] morning [09:27] hey Trevinho [09:27] morning Trevinho [09:31] * Trevinho 's morning always starts with Ubuntu... http://farm1.staticflickr.com/622/23407758481_3585914216_b.jpg [09:32] :) [09:32] haha [09:32] these huge nautilus icons are funny [09:34] might be disruptive to people who use desktop icons [09:35] I like the headerbar though [09:35] it looks nice to me [09:36] * Trevinho doesn't agree about HB... :P [09:37] why? [09:37] hey Trevinho! [09:37] hi Trevinho [09:37] hi Laney, seb128 .. (and previously didrocks)! :-) [09:37] Laney, the icons are as big in nautilus views, I found them too much there as well [09:39] yeah I saw those first then wondered if it also applied to the desktop [09:39] could just be new UI effect though [09:39] like the gnome-terminal tab bar which is now "whatever" to me [09:42] hum, I'm lost on that one [09:42] https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=plymouth-log-viewer&mode=exactfilename&suite=unstable&arch=any [09:42] -> shows up that plymouth-x11 contains in sid plymouth-log-viewer [09:42] clicking on it, clicking on file list [09:42] spooky, kernel modules compiling as part of an upgrade [09:42] https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/plymouth-x11/filelist [09:42] -> none ? [09:42] willcooke: dkms? [09:43] yeah [09:43] never noticed it before [09:43] been like that for years ;) [09:43] suddenly the fans start going and I see CC running [09:44] ah, it's in the older package like powerpcspe [09:48] hum, I think I'll follow debian and keep log-viewer disable by now (it's also disabled upstream for quite long) [09:48] and we have systemd for messages [09:50] what is log-viewer? [09:51] plymouth-log-viewer, a gtk apps to see plymouth logs [09:51] (basically messages sent to it) [09:52] I don't many users need it [09:52] I would just go with debian ;-) [09:52] yep, that's what I've done [09:53] but I have also removed the manpage then [09:53] what debian didn't do (I'll forward that) :p [09:54] and less diff, because we used to move it to another package to avoid gtk dep) [09:56] good "morning" [09:57] hey larsu [09:57] hey larsu! [09:57] gym again today? [09:57] no, some errands this morning [09:57] how are you? [09:59] I'm good, thank!s [10:00] how are you? [10:01] great! Got sore muscles from the new workout yesterday (got a plan from one of the trainers...) [10:01] hey larsu [10:01] I read that as 'some' muscles [10:01] and got a sexy mental image [10:01] (ahem) [10:03] haha morning Laney ;) === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [10:26] seb128: seems you have to kill/respawn nautilus after upgrading it to 3.18 [10:26] otherwise commandline arguments don't work [10:26] couldn't open a directory from unity [10:30] Laney, how do we usually deal with those? we can't just kill the process, copies might be ongoing [10:30] another reason why "in session updates" are not a good idea... [10:31] I'm not sure [10:31] might be that the new one could handle it somehow [10:33] did you look what the issue was? [10:33] like invalid argument? [10:35] GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Application does not handle command line arguments [10:35] oops [10:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1522348 [10:35] Ubuntu bug 1522348 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Can't open directories without restarting Nautilus after upgrading from 3.14 to 3.18" [Undecided,New] [10:35] thanks [10:35] I've the feeling it's going to be non trivial to support [10:41] yeah [10:41] might just be a you have to restart your session thing [10:41] yes [10:43] monring ☀️ :coffee: [10:47] hey andyrock [11:33] yo andyrock [11:35] * Laney looks at some poppler/gdal [11:36] ah, good! [11:43] libreoffice is in there :( [11:44] yeah :-/ [11:55] Laney: seb128: should the new gnome apps that are going to be default be installed now on my system that I am updating daily? [11:56] you will get them automatically if that is what you are asking [11:57] Laney: yes but should I for example get gnome calendar on my system today or is it not yet seeded [11:58] not done yet, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.xenial/view/head:/desktop [11:59] Playing with new Nautilus.. don't like the new rename pop-up. Connecting to SSH servers doesn't seem to work any more. Also - do we get that new GDrive integration? [12:00] willcooke, what's wrong with ssh servers? [12:00] wfm [12:00] me too [12:00] sad face [12:00] GDrive, sort of, it relies on gnome-online-account, so only if you configure an account in gnome-control-center.real/under GNOME [12:00] Connect to: ssh://will@server:/home/will/ [12:01] seb128,@ Gdrive - ack. I like the sound of it, so I might have a play [12:01] @ ssh - tried scp too, no dice [12:01] willcooke: Error: "ssh" is not a valid command. [12:01] oh, you dont put the path in [12:02] not the colon [12:02] ah [12:02] thanks Laney [12:03] any opinions on the rename? I liked it being inline before. Maybe I need to contemporise, man? [12:03] Laney: ah thanks that would explain why I'm not seeing it then :) [12:04] Seems okay to me, just different [12:04] I wouldn't think worth maintaining a patch to change it [12:04] fair [12:04] willcooke, I think it's minor, the new dialog is functional et you don't rename that often [12:05] The alignment is wrong for me right now, I'll play and take a screenshot [12:05] of the pop up [12:05] yes, please do [12:05] seems fine there [12:05] could be a few pixels of the middle but I'm unsure and not good at seeing those small things [12:08] seb128: wdyt about demoting node-srs node-millstone node-carto openstreetmap-carto to xenial-proposed? [12:09] http://imgur.com/a/8G0Ds (alignment on rename) [12:09] looks good! [12:10] Laney, I can confirm that, on desktop only though [12:10] ups [12:10] willcooke, ^ [12:10] Laney, I'm fine on principal, what's the rational? [12:10] they fail to build and are not easy to fix? [12:10] ftbfs, needs rebuild for gdal [12:10] only the first one [12:10] the rest are deps [12:11] there is some problem with node in proposed [12:11] k [12:11] I can demote those [12:12] thanks [12:15] the rename thing doesn't happen for me [12:15] weird [12:15] odd [12:15] Shall I log a bug? [12:15] yes please [12:15] which package? [12:15] nautilus [12:15] (I should have learned this by now) [12:15] thanks [12:17] yw [12:17] Laney, ok, those are demoted [12:17] and now lunch [12:17] bbiab [12:17] great! [12:17] in your FACE node [12:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1522383 [12:18] Ubuntu bug 1522383 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Rename dialog on desktop is misaligned" [Undecided,New] === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:29] Laney, didrocks, do you have signon-plugin-password installed? [13:30] installing it makes things work on my xenial iso test [13:30] (well, after killing evolution-source-registery and evolution-calendar-factory, which is another issue) [13:32] yep [13:33] yep you have it? [13:33] i do [13:33] and oauth2 too [13:33] bah [13:35] so for me booting xenial daily, adding a google account, killing e-s-r and e-c-f and starting gnome-calendar doesn't list anything [13:35] installing signon-plugin-password and redoing the same and I get the calendar listed [13:37] I'll try the debugging steps on the laptop [13:37] after lunch [13:39] seb128: installed here as well [13:39] (both) [13:40] didrocks, did you try to kill e-s-r and e-c-f after adding the account? [13:42] seb128: not the source registry [13:42] I did kill e-c-f multiple times [13:42] but I rebooted meanwhile [13:42] let's see if the calendar is here now [13:42] with the account still configured? [13:42] k [13:42] thanks [13:42] yep [13:42] so no, nothing appearing [13:43] (I keep it opened in case syncing takes time…) [13:44] k, another issue then :-/ === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [13:45] yeah… :/ [13:51] nop, not 2fa [13:51] I was trying with my personnal google account [13:51] just tried with the canonical one [13:51] same, it works after restarting the e-d-s processes [13:51] (I had one case where I had to kill signond as well) [13:52] didrocks, the uoa panel lists the google account as enable and calendar is on? [13:52] nothing obvious as an error in syslog? [13:55] seb128: yeah, same than yesterday [13:57] k, dunno, maybe an amd64 specific issue [13:58] I did several fresh boot on xenial daily issue and it always works here [13:58] but I'm on 32bits [13:59] unsure, let's see once Laney started to debug on his side, no need for all of us to debug (apart ifin the end, those are different issues) [14:03] yeah [14:52] ummmm [14:52] what should I check? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:07] Laney, I'm unsure, I can't reproduce from an iso and it means it needs more debugging from somebody having the issue, but it can be kept as a post-ff bugfix item [15:18] seb128, hi, did you have a look at the nautilus zeitgeist patch? [15:18] ricotz, not yet, doing that now [15:19] something seems off with the "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain" stuff in gcr [15:19] seb128, thanks [15:19] how so? [15:19] /usr/share/applications/gcr-viewer.desktop contains "X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component=gcrX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gcr" [15:20] hum, that looks wrong indeed [15:28] missing \n [15:31] Laney, in where? [15:37] dunno, the desktop.in.in looks ok [15:37] also [15:37] I just installed that password package on an iso [15:37] pkgbinarymangler (or whatever adds the line) should deal with no trailing new line [15:38] it works after adding and restarting the session [15:38] ah, good! [15:38] so similar to my testing [15:38] don't really want to restart my desktop session [15:38] but killing eds-* and signon* doesn't get it [15:39] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13646317/ [15:39] k, it does on the iso for me [15:39] so maybe this is still broken [15:39] right, likely a different issue [15:40] also the fact that it uses password and not oauth is also a bug [15:40] but that might be https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749974 [15:40] Gnome bug 749974 in Contacts "Use OAuth2 for Google sources" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [15:40] which is fixed in 3.19+ [15:43] Laney, also upstream is going to drop the prompter binary that uses gtk in the next cycles [15:43] what is that? [15:43] ricotz, uploaded, thanks [15:44] Laney, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783172 [15:44] Debian bug 783172 in evolution-data-server "evolution-data-server: Split out the GTK depends in their own binary" [Wishlist,Open] [15:44] Laney, the bits I splitted out in that one [15:44] I don't think I've seen that [15:44] not this time anyway [15:44] no, it's unrelated to the issue we were discussing [15:45] I just asked about it while I was speaking to them [15:45] oh ok [15:45] if it was fine to split it [15:45] and they said it's going away [15:51] ah [15:51] I got it now! [15:51] oh? [15:52] what I was saying or the evo bug? ;-) [15:52] the accounts [15:52] calendars* [15:52] how? [15:52] missed to pkill evolution-* [15:52] just did eds [15:53] so the bug is that you need to kill processes to get new accounts to show up [15:54] yeah, that's a known/confirmed bug [15:54] so didrocks is having another issue, because that didn't do it for him [15:54] eds upstream plan to fix it? [15:54] or is it signond? /me sucks at this stack [15:55] so many bugs… [15:55] I don't have evolution installed though [15:55] me neither [15:56] this is evolution-calendar-factory in eds [15:56] yeah, so… I restarted my session since yesterday [15:56] and/or evolution-source-registry [15:56] with the account created [15:56] so, I should have it fixed here [15:56] then I guess get the debugging info and show mardy [15:57] yep, not today though, but tomorrow morning [15:57] where is the bug info with debugging steps already? [15:59] dunno, I just saw on #ubuntu-devel today [15:59] 03/12 09:18:17 seb128: but to debug the notification: please do "echo 'LoggingLevel=2' > ~/.config/signond.conf", then kill signond, try again, and you should get some info in the syslog [15:59] 03/12 09:19:05 seb128: and to get even more info: kill signon-ui, and run this on a terminal: SSOUI_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 SSOUI_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 signon-ui [15:59] 03/12 09:19:42 seb128: if then you could share these logs with me, it could help (make sure to replace any tokens with XXXXX) [16:00] ok, logged, thx Laney! [16:01] Laney, upstream said that "evolution-source-registry does listen for "account-created" on an ag_manager_new(); object" so it should work [16:01] I'm doing a build atm to see if I can find out some issue [16:02] ok, thanks for looking into it! [16:02] yw! [16:02] * Laney dbuses the bus of d [16:02] :-) [16:18] Laney, I know why you don't have the rename popover misplacement [16:18] don't say hidpi [16:18] Laney, your launcher is configured to hide, right? [16:18] because I tried it on two machines [16:18] ah! [16:18] yes of course [16:18] :-) [16:18] what's that got to do with it? [16:18] it seems it doesn't account for docks for the placement [16:19] well, it's shifted by the launcher width [16:19] unsure what's wrong in nautilus code though [16:19] didn't look at it [16:19] but I guess they don't use the right area [17:06] ok, I guess that's enough for today :) [17:06] see you tomorrow guys! [17:07] see ya didrocks [17:07] good night willcooke [17:07] bye di [17:07] ha [17:08] blast it [17:12] qengho, should that xdg open bug be fixed for me in your ppa yet? cos it isn't (I think) [17:14] willcooke: I don't think so. I made a debdiff package for X main, and someone jumped in front of me so my diff doesn't apply now and it hasn't been applied. [17:14] I need to update it. I will. [17:15] hehe, no worries - just checking to make sure I wasn't missing something === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:01] g'night all [18:07] night