[06:20] :-) [06:20] my connection is completely busted today [06:21] i've been running an 'apt update' for the last 5 mins [06:21] pretty normal here, but i use a dutch mirror [06:23] ouch! should be way better than that [06:24] i truly only mean the repo update part, usually that's about 10 seconds tops [06:24] but yeah no websites are loading from the US, UK ones the images don't come down [06:24] totally island wide problem [06:26] good morning to all [06:28] morning lotus [06:29] hey OerHeks [06:33] heya ^_^ [06:33] i woke up at 4am haha, most broken cycle ever [06:33] before that i'd fallen asleep in front of the TV in my lounge at about 7 or 8pm [06:34] i woke up @ 06:00 .. i think i have the cycle back. [06:34] hey daftykins :p [06:34] daftykins: the ssd got in? [06:34] nah absolutely no post yesterday, i was shocked [06:35] today perhaps :p [06:35] i've been called about a job looking at a guys router and wifi being terrible, so have scheduled that for just after the postman comes :D [06:35] postman here comes 3 times per week, but we have 3 postmen. [06:35] in the uk a delivery guy throwed the package on the customers roof, when he was away working lol [06:35] only 3 times! [06:36] find it yourself! [06:36] yes, and they are all unemployed, working for social security jobs. [06:37] morning TJ- [06:37] morning, anything fun to report? [06:38] i just got here :p [06:38] and it already fun! [06:38] hmmm! [06:38] lol [06:39] You are funny TJ-, good morning! [06:39] ffio here is looking for his old friend Dr_Willis lost him for years now...anyone knows info on him let him know [06:39] Yeah, he thought he died @ 92 years .. [06:39] * TJ- waves a soggy sock [06:39] but dr_willis was a lot younger, i believe [06:40] yeah, I saw that yesterday [06:40] actionparsnip's page mentions him, so we awaite him [06:40] I think he died and went to hell... or Linux From Scratch as I like to call it [06:40] lol [06:40] what page? [06:40] OerHeks: like the page you have ..wiki something? [06:41] He's probably getting treatment for IRC addiction [06:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ActionParsnip [06:41] http://www.officerfh.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1655100 [06:41] Gone cold chicken... or turkey... or whatever [06:42] TJ-: you blame everyone mental deceases on irc hahaha, one asperger, one mental nut, one cold turkey [06:42] TJ-: you sure your sane yourself yeh? [06:42] or switched to win10 :-D [06:42] hahaha [06:43] !info sane [06:43] sane (source: sane-frontends): scanner graphical frontends. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.14-9 (vivid), package size 108 kB, installed size 332 kB [06:43] * lotuspsychje pushes TJ- under the scanner [06:46] TJ-: good morn' o/ [06:47] lotuspsychje: you got that wrong, you should have pushed me *into* the scanner ... then I'd have been insane :p [06:47] lol [06:47] I recall when dr_willis was using Feisty Fawn as his preferred OS, that was 2007 [06:47] !feisty [06:47] Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) was the sixth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: October 19th, 2008. See !eol and !upgrade for more details. [06:48] First mention was back in 2006, says bing [06:48] See what happens when you don't upgrade ... it's not just the OS that goes EOL! [06:48] uhhh google for you [06:48] hmmm i saw him later i think [06:48] TJ-: hehe [06:48] but people come, people go .. i miss Xangua in #U-O [06:49] yeah, I think I first chatted with him early 2006. Last I saw was late 2013 I think [06:49] xangua yes..rings a bell [06:49] but he has been offline before.. [06:49] TJ-: yeah also think saw him 2013 [06:49] I have a log of dr_willis giving out his street address in 2007 [06:49] Aug 01 02:07:28 1600 Penssivalania Ave, washington DC. :) [06:49] :D [06:50] maybe dr_willis did not like unity [06:50] err he was from indiana .. [06:50] OerHeks: probably had to seek professional treatment for it :) [06:50] OerHeks: ^^^ that address is 'The White House' [06:50] ffio: you better scroll back to the info here when you wakeup :p [06:51] i'm really confused now, are we saying this guy is still active or that he has passed on? [06:51] hahahaha [06:51] lol [06:51] living zombie [06:51] I have 13,633 log entries fro him [06:52] not sure that'll all fit on the headstone, so he better not have popped his clogs [06:52] wasn't he into the music business? [06:52] TJ-: maybe he just renamed his nick to...motaka or so? [06:52] bass guitar? [06:53] if he is and is still young, alive and kicking... he can help me make that huskie song send off for TJ- *whistle* [06:53] LOL yeah... nickname changes happen alot, so that is possible. Maybe we put out an APB on the #ubuntu channel [06:53] I tried to change my nick .. [06:54] * TJ- sends daftykins a bucket of the Husky's favourite mud to pour through his letterbox [06:54] ;_; [06:54] but yaaay delivery ;) [06:54] if the nickname is still registered on nickserv that implies he logged in within the last year, doesn't it? [06:54] usually it gives you a last login date no? [06:54] Your postie not brought your pressies yet daftykins ? [06:54] TJ-: cant find him on /whowas [06:54] Yes, there has been a clean-up [06:55] TJ-: nah nothing at all yesterday! but i'm hoping 9:20am today will be it [06:56] everything else is turning up first when i just want the Nexus 5 screen so i can fix that phone :D [06:56] its time those drones start to fly quicker! [06:56] daftykins: I received some jewellery unexpectedly early, yesterday. Didn't expect it for another week, so posties sometimes are time travellers [06:56] yeah indeed, they say tomorrow...but it can delay days [06:57] TJ-: absolutely! i had something next day from China once, but then this time it's weeks :> [06:57] I'm still waiting from a new EPROM programmer from China though [06:57] there's a smart strategy here: the day after promise lures customers...when you receive it for real doesnt matter [06:58] mmmm meatballs in tomato sauce with white rice for breakfast ^_^ [06:58] there is now insufficient ingredients in this house to make one meal D: [07:00] I generally either am not bothered how long it takes, or order it with a specific delivery date an have it shipped accordingly [07:00] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Mainline-Kernel-4.4-Fix [07:00] trouble is, sometimes, by the time things arrive I've forgotten I ordered them... it's like I forgot my own birthday sometimes :) [07:01] yeah i choose the free shipping on everything these days because i find the waiting the best bit [07:01] TJ-: belgium has a company 'coolblue' very acurate, even on sundays always deluver the day after [07:03] Aug 10 14:27:05 I got grandkids... [07:03] oh [07:04] i can just recall his oldskool unix trix [07:04] there's a hint he's a farmer like me from some contectual banter we had [07:05] also, technical-wise: "Aug 10 14:19:52 * Dr_Willis has several 100+ft cat 5 cables" [07:05] :D [07:05] lol [07:06] irc ghost hunting new speciality of yours TJ- ? [07:06] er oops, i just hit alt+pause/break on an apt update, how do you bring that back? :D [07:06] ah "fg" [07:06] wow, i think i read that once and it was rolling around in my brain O_O amazing [07:08] "Aug 09 10:28:31 off to work.. bbl." [07:09] Aug 09 10:22:32 Dr_willis: remember my flash problem? i had to ins [07:09] tall ubuntu-restricted-extras for it to work [07:09] lotuspsychje: well as I keep the logs I may a well use them! [07:09] what year was that TJ- [07:10] 2012, or 2011. Hard to tell without breaking into each log file and searching back for my own log-on time [07:10] cool [07:11] **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 9 09:36:56 2012 [07:12] "dr--willis is now known as dr_willis" [07:13] so, there's one of the alternate nicks [07:16] TJ-: you might be wrong this might not be street address http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1600-Pennsylvania-Ave-NW-Washington-DC-20006/84074482_zpid/ [07:17] huh? [07:17] lotuspsychje: thanks mate [07:17] ##linux.log:Aug 02 05:00:47 solid_liq, heh - depends on which machine i irc on, some [07:17] auto join here. others dont. [07:18] Everything suggests the 'Dr' - if a Doctorate - is not a Dr of medicine, but a techy PhD [07:18] glad to findout that he is alive :) [07:18] yeah :P [07:18] well, we have no evidence of life, or death, just an extended vacation! [07:18] ffio: if you are his friend, you should recall more then us right? [07:22] oO [07:23] heh [07:23] what a mystery [07:24] its like a tv show [07:24] friends find each other after years [07:24] its probably just a user dr_willis helped once lol [07:24] and he got tooo familiar :p [07:25] * lotuspsychje looks up to the sky whisteling [07:25] lotuspsychje: :) [07:25] ffio: what? [07:25] some dutch users know my address, as i had organised an offtopic meeting 2 years ago. [07:25] nothing just simply :) [07:27] OerHeks: if i remember right i have seen you ubuntu packaging video on youtube.. [07:27] like 3-4 years back.. [07:27] I found some references that indicate he was at, or an alumni of, Purdue University [07:29] hahaha, surprise surprise my ISP's fault line is busy [07:29] OerHeks: you ran it from home? :) [07:30] I've found a log of him from 2005-06 [07:31] Willis is his first name [07:31] yeah he was into Ubuntu for quite a long time ... [07:31] i think the first i snagged was 7.xx [07:31] Nope, never done an ubuntu video :-( [07:32] than must be the other guy :) [07:33] yay, i hear a sledgehammer, constructionworkers are working on renewal of an appartment .. [07:34] glad mine was done 4 years ago, before i moved in, new kitchen, bathroom and such [07:34] :D [07:37] 2,395 PB/sec [07:37] O_O [07:38] ##linux.log:Aug 28 16:32:34 I still remebr good old 'CanDO' on my amiga - and its use of the AREXX 'ports' to control external apps. [07:39] lol [07:42] looks like he was originally with ISP insightbb, which got taken over by Time Warner Cable (TWC), and then was on Comcast. Also used Cingular mobile network. [07:51] he's a hacker for sure! [07:51] Sep 07 21:33:36 Cracking = the sound my back makes the next day after a hard day of hacking.... [07:53] :-D [07:53] he is a funny dude [07:53] welp, time for a good shower whilst i wait for postman o'clock + for my connection to come back to normal! [07:54] :p [07:55] i bet by now you're all rooting for me to get my stuff so i shut up about it :D [07:57] please, we smell you ... [07:57] you're right! [07:57] * daftykins trots off [07:57] .. or is it my dog? [07:57] :-D [07:58] lol [07:58] nope, it is dafty [07:59] head & shoulders \o/ [07:59] breakfast and shower here also :p [07:59] laterzzz [08:35] Fetched 1,820 kB in 1h 27min 56s (344 B/s) [08:35] best apt update ever [08:35] ffio: I have his name for you: Phillip R. Jaenke [08:36] ffio: his home page http://www.rootwyrm.com/ [08:37] TJ-: you are freaking awesome [08:37] +1 [08:37] he is alive and doing well :D [08:37] the breakthrough came from this debian-devel post from 1999: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/03/msg02612.html ... look at the sign-off [08:38] TJ-: how were you able to dug so back in time..!! [08:38] proof once again that you say it once online - and then everyone knows forever [08:38] well, it was a mailing list! [08:39] suprised someone didn't find that earlier from a general search [08:40] :-) [08:41] * daftykins wafts himself toward OerHeks [08:41] much better, thank you! [08:44] :D [08:44] seems my connection is back to normal too! yay! [09:12] TJ-: looks like jamesmike is ignoring everything you say and just asking his same question 3 times in a row :( [09:13] right [09:14] we're nearing postie time! [09:18] LOL I bet you're like our collie... running back and forth to the letterbox :D [09:21] oh far better, i can see the front door from my sofa \o/ [09:22] Surprised you don't have a drone hovering over the street :D [09:26] oy, i really never got the obsession with those things [09:27] though my brother has some nice videos up on youtube above the town here, so you can see a good half of the island in one view [09:27] I've been thinking of getting one, autonomous. Be very handy for patrolling the farm [09:29] mmm, makes a lot more sense given your property size / neighbourhood :> [09:30] th... th... they're normally here by now :( [09:30] it may have been delivered to someone else :) [09:31] D: [09:31] you might be right there, there are two of my same house number on this lane [09:31] We had that happen a lot about 2 years ago - some new development in the nearby time had a close named after our farm... from then on both the royal mail sorting office, and van delivery drivers, were mis-delivering our stuff to the 1st house on that close, and their stuff to us - despite the postcodes being quite different [09:32] s/nearby time/nearby town/ [09:32] >_< blows my mind when the addresses are ignored like that [09:32] someone moved to the island with the same name as my family, suddenly some of our stuff was going up the wrong end of the island :( [09:33] yeah, they look at the first line and thats it. The other issue we get is when they use the postcode only, and not the first line... because the postcode long/lat coords are in the middle of our farm yard, which is about 1/2 mile from the house... so anyone using satnav to find us ends up wandering around the yard lost :) [09:34] Sometimes the van drivers phone us 1/2 hour before arrival to check we're in, and we tell them we're at the farm drive entrance... and they *stll* blindly follow the satnav and end up phoning us from the yard [09:34] XD [09:35] I've often thought we ought to install a 2 foot deep mud bath for them to drive into :D [09:35] "but technology is infallible!" [09:35] shame about the humans! [09:35] car sized hole in the ground with a disguised cover [09:35] "we dun caught us a courier!" [09:35] hahha yeah, make it look like a large puddle [09:36] ah this disappoints me greatly, amazon says i should've had one item yesterday! :P [09:36] maybe there's been a big cue to get on the boat due to everyone going for the black friday shenanigans [09:36] we do have that happen - river here, floods the road both sides of the hump-backed bridge over it, sometimes the floodwaters are 100 meters long... and we get idiots drive into them... get stranded, blow their engines up, etc. [09:36] cue? oh dear me, queue [09:36] Quite entertaining over winter sometimes [09:37] are you near enough you get roped in to rescue? :) [09:38] yeah, the river is about 250 meters from us, as the road rises up [09:39] we're often out their towing them out [09:39] s/their/there/ [09:40] the bridge is on a switchback section of road too; used to get very frequent serious accidents where folks would take off and land in the dykes or hedges, cars rolled, etc. Since the white/black chevrons were painted on the bridge parapets thats not happened so much though. [09:40] wow! [09:41] It used to be a frequent happening for banging on the door after midnight with bleeding people asking for help [09:41] i've never even got a full license, just cycled everywhere my whole life [09:41] Over there you really don't need one :) [09:42] indeed, though i'm a bit stuck if i need to move any equipment of size or weight [09:43] and loathe when anyone calls me that lives right down the south west, oy it takes a good 35 minutes to cycle there... up and down 2 or 3 valleys too [09:45] motorbike? [09:45] just pedal power [09:46] ahhh, fit some batteries and a motor :) [09:46] cfhowlett: hey hey o/ [09:46] ugh i bet they're coming at the 11am+ slot :( i'll be out by then [09:47] greetings [09:48] i can see it's going to become the #ubuntu-discuss saga, "where is dafty's package?" [09:50] * TJ- sniggers [09:51] blech i have to leave, catch you later folks o/ [09:53] I'm taking the doggies out too [11:39] hi everyone [11:39] hi pauljw [11:39] :) [12:13] Hiyas all [12:51] mornin' BluesKaj :) [13:01] Insomnia ? .. irc to the rescue ! [13:10] lunchtime?... food to the rescue! [13:13] 'morning pauljw :-) [13:14] sustenance ... whatever form it may take . Hiya TJ- :) [13:20] :) we need to hide daftykins parcel before he gets back [13:20] I guess the Xenial plasma 5 delay bug is back in effect, 2mins to the login from grub on my new Samsung evo 850 SSD. It was very quick for a few days, but after an upgarde , the bug reappared [13:20] sssst, i have paid the mailman, he'll get it 1st xmasday [13:20] reappeared [13:20] hi BluesKaj [13:21] Hummm .. if that 'parcel' has his cookies in it .. He may become hard to live with ? recon ? [13:21] hi OerHeks [13:22] No, it should be a smartphone screen or ssd [13:23] if the screen isn't fitted with GPS it'll not find him :) [13:24] he's probably weaving in and out of the white lines right now [13:24] hiding!? :) [13:24] drat! [13:24] uh oh [13:24] wow i even went to the place with the same number and despite hiding around his door he claimed to have seen nothing [13:25] maybe the posties are just getting overwhelmed with post at the moment and mines delayed :) [13:25] that's an Irish island with the same number twice on the same road [13:26] i guess that's your snail mail attempt at plausible deniability :D [13:26] anywho, what a strange property i was just at... totally remodelled place but with no proper network cabling :( [13:27] what is it, coaxial? [13:27] folks forced to get by with powerline devices and nasty little wifi repeater toys [13:27] oh [13:27] also got asked to glance at one of those Canon photo printers which needed to be on wifi, the thing had 4 of its' 6 ink cartridges dried up and needing replacing! [13:28] so it wasn't even the wifi to blame for not printing :D [13:28] waste of time buying ink-jey printers these days; ink dries up before it gets used - better off with a colour laser [13:28] *nod* [13:28] ink prints look so rough to me, too [13:29] I have a couple here, A4 and A3, both multi-function with scanners and sheet feeders. [13:29] inkjet is great for photo paper [13:30] oh yeah, standard office sort of prints though, just look ugly on paper [13:30] hmmm, I've not noticed that, except when printing in 'draft' mode [13:30] what's interesting about these little APs these guys had though, is they seem to be managed 'in the cloud' o0 [13:31] that's a bit worrying [13:31] i hate the cloud... [13:31] so the thing loses its upstream link, you're done for [13:31] I love clouds; I hate the misuse of the term, the same as 'hacker' [13:31] seems they're mesh based too o0 [13:31] mesh makes sense [13:32] mesh is just a better, self-healing, version of WDS really [13:32] seemed to be little gadgets from these guys - http://www.open-mesh.com/ [13:33] I use WDS here for point-to-point links to self-powered APs, saves on needing to run a backbone cable [13:33] but the reliability ;D [13:34] ha! "I used to spend hours programming each access point. Now, I just edit the CloudTrax map ..." [13:34] someone was probably buying consumer kit and trying to deploy ont he cheap in an enterprise [13:36] the ones these guys had were powered by "400 MHz Atheros AR9331 MIPS 24K" [13:38] they claim "Out Of Band" management ... on AWS ... in the Cloud! [13:39] that's so fraudulent a claim as to be pitiable; what they actually mean is the management channel is a VLAN [13:39] VLAN + VPN I'd guess [13:39] i figured those things were tied to being managed online and thus there was no point attempting to reconfigure them myself, so i'll have to delay on contacting the person that put them in [13:40] but ugh, i keep seeing these places where people should've put some lovely cables in, life would be so much easier :> [13:40] yeah, and the more they install, the more everyone suffers interference [13:40] TJ-: ever suffered those Draytek routers? not impressed by their web admins [13:41] We used to resell and use them for your remote support, back in early 2000s. They were the best there was at the time, ultra-reliable, great SnR, easy to manage [13:41] s/your/our/ [13:43] i was told an all too familiar tale of this one apparently losing all its' settings one day, case of amnesia perhaps :D [13:45] generally that happens when there's insufficient storage for the config, and as more config is added the router can no longer save the settings, so next reboot the config is lost. I always recommend saving the config to the PC after making changes [13:46] hmm must've been whoever set it up for them! they've got one of those silly expensive 'Sonos' network music systems [13:46] ahhhh [13:48] ahhh, the miracle of that 'cloud' ... [13:48] Alas, poor Redmond has acknowledged the Azure Active Directory is "having issues" alongside the disappearance of its Office 365 service in the UK and Europe. [13:48] sonos uses high quality speakers in their systems , they're meant to give HiFi sound, but the source material being compressed mp3 crap doesn't do them justice [13:50] some wag on theregister has commented "False Advertising: Clearly it is Office 364." [13:51] :D [13:54] I like this woman, it looks like my style too: recycle wast & pimp my home http://www.lifebuzz.com/bottle-caps/ [13:55] * OerHeks once made an owl from different size caps, but i have no pics [13:55] i was quite blown away by how useless my android phone became this morning when my internet connection was reduced to something worse than 56k dialup [13:56] shows you how bad things that rely on internet access/connectivity can be [13:56] there's an entire generation now that wouldn't know what to do if there was a widespread disaster/emergency that took down power and comms [13:57] i might be one of them, i don't own any board games :D [13:57] Hmmm! [13:58] i've got some books actually, that'd do me [13:58] after 3 days, people kill themselfs over no facebook/twitter/whatsapp [13:59] oh no hang on a minute, you can't put whatsapp in the same category as social 'notworking' :) [13:59] I mean, not so many youngsters get into HAM radio anymore. There used to be active organised civilan HAM groups that trained and were prepared to activate in times of civil emergency; using their radio equipment to provide comms for local government, cops, etc. Even the cops wouldn't have anything now, since they piggy-back the cellular network [13:59] and the others suffer a babyboom after 9 months :-D [13:59] i myself use it as a great free way to message friends with text/pics/video [14:00] I've never even felt the need to use any of those :) [14:06] i've a couple of friends that have too old phones so i have to go back to standard text, which is irritating [14:06] though one has this weird 'slightly educated' Nokia, as i call it... it has whatsapp but he refuses to use it :P [14:08] * OerHeks has an nokia 3310 for emergencies [14:21] hehe, i foolishly lent my old dumbphones to friends who then smashed them up :( i'd love an old basic for a backup [14:22] oh wow amazon UK are selling a 7.6m cat6 cable for £4.54! ;) [14:22] make one up! [14:23] hehe yeah that's what i'm getting at really [14:23] although i much rather put in building type cable punched down into sockets and use premade patch leads for the device connections [14:24] I've always made my own off the reel; despite how the so-called 'experts' say they're not going to be as reliable, but if you practice, and take care, they're as good as pre-made, and of course they're always the perfect length - which you can never get with molded pre-mades [14:25] too true [14:26] i ought to invest in a decent crimper actually, i have a nasty ebay one right now which crimps one end more than the other =/ you can see a diagonal step across all 8 when examining closely [14:27] yeah, never skimp on the tools [14:28] i tended to go to farnell (CPC) for my gear on that front, such as the patch panel i quoted for recently [14:28] noticed some amazon seller was a few quid cheaper for one, so wasn't sure what to do though :) [14:28] as it goes that client hasn't given the ok so i've not needed to decide [14:30] now *this* could come in handy! 128-cores. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPERMICRO-128-CORE-2U-2-5GHz-256GB-AMD-OPTERON-6380-2022TG-HIBQRF-NODE-SERVER-/121824609061 [14:30] that's in 2U [14:31] :D [14:31] i detect hoover mode [14:32] I've been looking around for a while for something 6380 based, to replace all the separates. Would make the cabinet look a bit empty though [14:33] eggs and baskets not a concern? [14:34] well, it has 4 nodes, each with 2 CPUs, so they're hot-swappable [14:34] 32 cores per node [14:35] As a build server running 24/7 it'd be ideal [14:36] i'd love a property with enough space to set some noisy gear up and not worry :) the local power company was giving away some old servers a few years ago, pretty terrible spec now but i had some Pentium 4 era Xeon dual processor thing with 2GB RAM and a few SCSI U320 disks i was playing with vmware ESXi on [14:36] 1U :S [14:37] yeah, I know what you mean. I'm working towards an idea for a new distro, but with a little bit of a difference, so this kind of stuff could be very useful [14:38] mmm, definitely nothing out there already worth supporting? only reason i say that, is i sometimes wonder about the duplication of work by folks in FOSS not working together [14:39] though i'm all too aware of the drama you saw in kubuntu-land :) [14:47] Not that I'm aware of so far. Like Debian/Ubuntu, but with some deeply integrated fault detection and self-healing tooling, security by default, and kernel/core libraries tailored to the hardware (so the installer will report the system hardware to the build servers and ensure something tailored to the hardware is available even if initially a one-size-fits-all is installed - as Ubuntu does), binary [14:47] diff package updates, but keeping the .deb package format, supporting multiple OS distros installed on the common core kernel, useing LXC/LXD for service and application containment by default too [14:54] nice :D [16:18] oh my dear Tux, motaka is back [16:21] well, there's always the ignore option :-) [16:21] :D [16:21] needs his hand held on every step it seems [16:24] *nod*, didn't even used to run ubuntu, the cheeky *ahem* [16:35] thought he ran 12.04 but refuses to upgrade to 14.04 with a data save guarantee [16:35] without [16:36] 32 bit on a UEFI machine, if i recall correct .. [16:37] i'm pretty certain we used to get lied to about motaka even using ubuntu ata ll [16:37] i'm sure it was elementary or similar [16:38] didn't know about architectiures [16:38] jups, but the benefit of the doubt .. [16:41] I got scammed by bestbuy/future shop . They put 32bit windows vista on a 64bit HP pc, but there was no indication on the all labels on the pc and the salesman either didn't realize or deliberately misled me [16:44] it was for my wife . It wouldn't accept W7 64bit for some reason even, so I'm using PAE to enable 6G RAM access [16:44] HP policy, you would get 64 bit only, if you understood the risc of incompatible software [16:45] this was back in 2008, maybe it was a profit motive thing [16:46] a lot of software still wouldn't run on 64 bit windows machines back then as well [16:48] even now most games are still 32 bit [16:52] chrome stops with 32 bit support soon ( for linux) [16:54] hmm was there a way to list a path's contents recursively that's cleaner to look at than "find /path -name "*" " ? [17:54] TJ-: could you remind me of that convenient way to pastebin an entire path recursively with permissions? [18:01] find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 ls -al [18:01] i think it is the fastest way, on this page http://superuser.com/questions/595697/recursively-list-full-absolute-path-of-files-with-permissions-in-linux [18:18]