[05:11] <mazal> Mornings
[05:23] <pieter2627> morning all
[05:27] <anton> morning
[05:32] <pieter2627> hi anton, hope you also had some rain last night
[05:40] <anton> we did, had to take the dogs out around 01h20 and was very wet outside
[06:40] <Kilos> morning all
[06:40] <Kilos> those that can listen to my baby
[06:40] <Kilos> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=701955&songID=12729994&showPlayer=true
[06:41] <Kilos> your listening will help keep her on top of the charts for country
[06:45] <pieter2627> great singing that
[06:46] <pieter2627> and musical piece
[06:54] <mazal> More Kilos , pieter2627
[06:54] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:54] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[06:54] <Kilos> luister my kind man
[06:54] <mazal> Het nie sound hier nie oom
[06:54] <Kilos> kop sleg maar hart gelukkig
[06:55] <Kilos> en by jou?
[06:55] <mazal> Bk moeg en moedeloos , maar gaan aan
[06:55] <Kilos> ai!
[06:57] <mazal> Was daar fout met irc die laaste ruk ? Kon 'n hele paar dae lank nie inkom nie
[07:02] <Kilos> ja
[07:02] <Kilos> baie probleme om in te kom
[07:03] <Kilos> en een hub het gevrek gister
[08:03] <anton> So anybody playing with php7? -> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/148377-php-7-released.html
[08:31] <inetpro> goo mornings
[08:31] <inetpro> good as well
[08:33] <pieter2627> hi inetpro
[08:37] <pieter2627> anton: not yet... might soon
[08:41] <andrewlsd> morning inetpro pieter2627 Kilos 
[08:41] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd 
[08:41] <andrewlsd> morning all others too :-)
[08:41] <pieter2627> hi andrewlsd
[08:42] <andrewlsd> I'm looking at OpenALPR.com and the related opensource stuff on GitHub. for ideas on building an automatic number plate recognition system, for suburb/neighbourhood watch.
[08:42] <mazal> Hi andrewlsd , inetpro
[08:43] <andrewlsd> there are several commercial solutions around, but this is something that could be well-suited to an opensource, community project. 
[08:43] <andrewlsd> Hi Maaz 
[08:43] <andrewlsd> Hi mazal 
[09:11] <andrewlsd> any of you guys looked at "ALPR" stuff?
[09:19] <thatgraemeguy> hello peoples
[09:24] <andrewlsd> hello thatgraemeguy 
[09:43] <Kilos> hi sundown hows ian
[09:44] <sundown> hello guys
[09:45] <sundown> wolfeyes_is here (Ian)
[09:46] <sundown> I need a bit of support with connect a ethernet card tot he internet please.
[09:46] <Kilos> pieter2627 do you know how to setup a network card?
[09:47] <sundown> Current setup is router going to Linux server,  through onboard ethernet and then out on a ethernet plugin
[09:48] <sundown> router has internet and plugin goes to network
[09:49] <superfly> just plug it in?
[09:49] <sundown> the network card towards isn't connecting to the network
[09:49] <sundown> lol @ superfly
[09:49] <sundown> it is plugged in
[09:49] <superfly> I've never needed to do anything else
[09:49] <sundown> eish
[09:50] <superfly> sundown: what are you trying to make work?
[09:50] <superfly> sundown: the Linux server?
[09:51] <sundown> the network card on the server
[09:51] <sundown> it's runnign currently 14.04 kde
[09:53] <sundown> couldn't install kde server last night at midnight, because it wanted to install from a cd, but had no clean cd's and installed from usb.
[09:54] <sundown> or ubuntu server as kilo's corrects me
[09:57] <sundown> the server was running lucid and the IT admin had left 5 years ago, the computer crashed due to overheating, and they got a computer company to try fix it, they cloned the drive to a new drive, and put in new hardware. Hence the new install. No information is used or stored on the server, it is only being used as security connecting to the internet and to control people accessing the internet, with user name and password
[09:58] <andrewlsd> sundown: is the system running from the cloned drive?
[09:58] <sundown> no - new install
[09:58] <andrewlsd> k
[09:59] <andrewlsd> can you click on the network icon?
[10:00] <andrewlsd> without wanting to be the opposite of helpful and attract a flamewar, if you're wanting a network gateway / proxy /router, then an ubuntu-based solution like "zentyal" would probably be a simpler installation, as it is designed to have an internet link and private LAN network, to make it easier to us
[10:01] <andrewlsd> ... starting from scratch with an ubuntu install *can* work, and you should end up with a better understanding of what is actually going on between your network and the internet.
[10:02] <andrewlsd> but if you want something quicker you might want to look at http://www.zentyal.org/
[10:02] <andrewlsd> ... of course, that's just a suggestion, someone else here may already have helped you with another route, so I don't want to cause extra confusion.
[10:03] <sundown> can click on the network icon, and it shows both the onboard and plugin network cards in the settings,but only allows the onboard to connect and doesn't show the plugin card to connect
[10:03] <andrewlsd> sundown: if you swap the network cables around, does that make any difference?
[10:03] <sundown> yes it does
[10:03] <sundown> let me explain why
[10:03] <andrewlsd> also, connect defaults to DHCP, and you might need to configure a fixed address for one of the interface cards.
[10:04] <sundown> previosly the network was going through plugin (server) and out the onboard to the Router (internet)
[10:05] <sundown> If I connect it like this - I cannot connect to internet to get support
[10:05] <sundown> so I have it connected currently from the internet to the onboard just get get online access
[10:06] <sundown> I don't know if it can work both ways, and/or if the cables can be swopped once the plugin card can see the internet router.
[10:10] <superfly> I agree with andrewlsd, it's usually easier to go with a distro designed to be an application
[10:18] <andrewlsd> Here's a list of Linux (and BSD) firewall distributions: http://www.mondaiji.com/blog/other/it/10175-the-hunt-for-the-ultimate-free-open-source-firewall-distro
[10:22] <Kilos> ty for helping sundown andrewlsd and superfly 
[10:23] <andrewlsd> :-)
[10:32] <andrewlsd> sundown: You'll need to give us the output of the following commands:sudo ifconfig
[10:32] <andrewlsd> sudo ifconfig
[10:32] <andrewlsd> ... so that we can see what the current list of network interfaces is
[10:32] <andrewlsd> and then, so that we can see what the configuration should be, the output of
[10:33] <andrewlsd> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[10:33] <sundown> okay, working on that ty
[10:33] <andrewlsd> once we have that, we can look at getting the right address assigned to the right network card
[10:33] <andrewlsd> and then we can enable forwarding of traffic
[10:33] <andrewlsd> and Network Address Translation, so that other computers will have internet access through this computer
[10:35] <andrewlsd> That will not restrict access in any way, but, it will at least get you up and running.  if you do want to have nice graphs, and easy configuration dashboard for your Linux firewall/gateway, then a re-installation with a dedicated Linux firewall/gateway distribution is going to be the best way of getting it done.
[10:35] <andrewlsd> (I'll be back around 13h30)
[10:42] <sundown> http://bin.snyman.info/8ys3p
[10:42] <sundown> ty andrew
[10:56] <inetpro> sundown: what is the IP address range on your internal network?
[10:56] <inetpro> and subnet mask
[11:01] <sundown> 192.168.1. range
[11:01] <sundown> 255.255.255.0
[11:01] <inetpro> so 192.168.1.0/24 is internal?
[11:01] <sundown> yes
[11:01] <inetpro> what is your router inside interface address?
[11:01] <sundown> 192.168.1.1
[11:01] <sundown> when you say inside? the network or the internet router?
[11:02] <inetpro> hmm... then why do you have a firewall in between?
[11:03] <sundown> the internet router is 192.168.1.1,  then the server, then the other routers and computers on network, they all in the 192.168.1. 2/140 range
[11:03] <inetpro> typically a firewall will talk to the router on the same network range and to internal systems on a different network range
[11:04] <sundown> we can do that as well
[11:04] <inetpro> there's no such thing as a 2/140 range
[11:04] <sundown> but doesn't help having a firewall when I can't see the network through the ethernet card yet....
[11:05] <inetpro> ipcalc 192.168.1.116 255.255.255.0
[11:05] <sundown> Does the last number in the ip range not go from 1 - 255?
[11:06] <inetpro> and if you don't have ipcalc do 'apt-get install ipcalc'
[11:09] <inetpro> the three most important settings for machines to be able to talk to each other on the same network are, IP address, subnet mask and gateway
[11:10] <inetpro> each IP address has to be unique and subnet and gateway have to be the same on each machine
[11:10] <sundown> http://bin.snyman.info/buawv
[11:10] <sundown> there is nothing wrong with the network
[11:12] <sundown> the problem is with the server ethernet card which is plugged in, new hardware was put in the computer.
[11:29] <andrewlsd> sundown: the paste link for the output of the following command didn't work. Please try again to run:
[11:29] <andrewlsd> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[11:29] <sundown> will do
[11:30] <sundown> http://bin.snyman.info/ngqxr
[11:33] <sundown> wb andrewlsd 
[11:51] <sundown> lol @ loadshedding
[11:59] <andrewlsd> brb
[12:00] <Langjan> Hi Kilos howzit?
[12:05] <Kilos> hi Langjan hoe gaan dit daar
[12:05] <Langjan> Alles wel dankie en by jou Kilos ?
[12:05] <Kilos> goed dankie
[12:06] <Langjan> Mooi so, het jy al visum en vliegdatum?
[12:06] <Kilos> wat is stukkend
[12:06] <Kilos> hehe
[12:06] <Kilos> wag nog vir visum mense
[12:06] <Langjan> Sal nou vertel...lmga
[12:06] <Langjan> Linda sukkel 2 dae om aanlyn te kom
[12:07] <Kilos> met?
[12:07] <Langjan> toe bel sy my, toe ek daar kom is daar geen krag op die router nie - uitgeprop! 
[12:08] <Kilos> ai!
[12:08] <Langjan> Doe ouderdom is 'n bogger...
[12:08] <Kilos> lmga
[12:09] <Langjan> Ja, lyk my die bediende het afgestof en die proppie uitgetrek, toe druk sy hom in waar die ekstra telefoonlyn moet ingaan
[12:09] <Kilos> teach her always check basics first
[12:09] <Langjan> toe lyk dit of die draad in geprop is 
[12:09] <Kilos> ai!
[12:10] <Langjan> Ja, jys reg, I told her first thing with electricity-driven appliances is to check if the power is on
[12:10] <Kilos> wel gellukig is jy naby
[12:10] <Langjan> but I don't think she even thought about the router
[12:11] <Langjan> ja gelukkig net 100 m
[12:11] <Kilos> hoekom wag die tannie twee dae as jy so namby is
[12:11] <Kilos> naby
[12:11] <Langjan> Sys skaam om te pla, wil graag self probeer 
[12:12] <Kilos> ai! shame man
[12:12] <Kilos> ons ballies moet vir mekaar sorg
[12:12] <Langjan> Her flight to Oz was delayed for almost a week due to inept staff at the SA dept of Internal aff
[12:13] <Langjan> Her daughter is in Tasmania
[12:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:14] <Kilos> ill most likely get lost in the change overs as well
[12:14] <Langjan> she had to get a new passport but the visa had been connected to the old one, so they said its ok but whemn she arrived at the airport they refused to let her board
[12:14] <Kilos> kinda bang to fly
[12:14] <Kilos> eish
[12:14] <Langjan> Are you serious about the cargo hold?
[12:15] <Kilos> if i could get in i would go that way ya
[12:15] <sundown> lol
[12:15] <Langjan> Will they allow it?
[12:15] <Kilos> flights are expensive holiday season
[12:15] <Langjan> Very
[12:15] <Langjan> Better to wait ?
[12:16] <Kilos> i googled lots but cant find one that takes peeps unless boxed up
[12:16] <Kilos> hehe
[12:16] <Kilos> nono no more waiting
[12:16] <Kilos> been too long
[12:17] <Langjan> OK maybe if you camouflage as an ourang outang - try a Malema- lookalike
[12:17] <Kilos> when they approve visa ill grab the next availablr flight
[12:17] <Kilos> hahahaha
[12:17] <Langjan> Then in a box in cargo
[12:17] <Kilos> i could actually live well on bananas
[12:18] <Langjan> When are you expecting visa?
[12:19] <Kilos> sigh
[12:19] <Kilos> hopefully tomorrow 
[12:19] <Kilos> or mondy
[12:19] <Kilos> a
[12:19] <Kilos> you must go look man
[12:19] <Langjan> look at what?
[12:20] <Kilos> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=701955&songID=12729994&showPlayer=true
[12:21] <Kilos> currently number 4 in country ratings
[12:21] <Kilos> http://www.soundclick.com/genres/default.cfm?genre=Country
[12:21] <Langjan> Great - its in my background now, sounds great
[12:22] <Langjan> Is Deb's surname Sharrock? 
[12:22] <Kilos> yes
[12:23] <Langjan> No 4 in Australian country ratings?
[12:23] <Kilos> world wide country
[12:24] <Langjan> Wow! Veels geluk ou man!
[12:24] <Kilos> the song writer that got her to do it is in the usa
[12:24] <Langjan> Is she on the up in the ratings?
[12:25] <Kilos> she started at 7 in country whatever then went to 1 in country rock and now to 4 in all country
[12:25] <Kilos> i forget all the categories
[12:26] <Langjan> I see in the link you sent she is on the up...lekker!
[12:26] <Kilos> im proud of my brat
[12:27] <Langjan> Brat? You horrible old man!
[12:28] <Kilos> haha we laugh about it
[12:28] <Kilos> when talking to debs its her brat and my child
[12:29] <Kilos> but here she can be my brat as well
[12:29] <Langjan> She's got quite a profile on google
[12:29] <Kilos> tara?
[12:29] <Langjan> Yes
[12:30] <Kilos> ya she does lots of things
[12:30] <Langjan> Married?
[12:30] <Kilos> just have hit it big time yes
[12:30] <Kilos> no
[12:30] <Kilos> she looks after her mother
[12:30] <Kilos> no time for men till im there
[12:30] <Kilos> hehe
[12:31] <Langjan> Ja ek is seker jy kan nie wag nie...
[12:31] <Kilos> ja man die wag maak my mal
[12:31] <Kilos> wel maller
[12:32] <Langjan> lmga
[12:33] <Langjan> OK my friend, just popped in to see how things are progressing, plse keep me in the loop
[12:33] <Kilos> ty sir will do
[12:33] <Kilos> you keep well there
[12:33] <Langjan> Thanks, God bless
[12:34] <Kilos> and you too
[12:34] <Kilos> ty
[12:34] <Langjan> Dankie 
[12:34] <Langjan> Bye for now
[12:53] <andrewlsd> sorry, I got disconnected and didn't notice.
[12:54] <andrewlsd> sundown: based on what you posted in the pastebin, you need two separate network ranges, one for each interface
[12:54] <sundown> each interface?
[12:55] <andrewlsd> so, if DSL/internet router is 192.168.1.1, then make the "internet-side" Linux network card 192.168.1.2, and make the 'LAN' side network interface 192.168.2.2
[12:55] <andrewlsd> then everyone in the LAN will need their computers to belong to 192.168.2.0/24
[12:55] <andrewlsd> with their gateway set as 192.168.2.2
[12:55] <sundown> that part I get - the computers adjust on their own
[12:55] <andrewlsd> scratch that
[12:55] <andrewlsd> sundown: install a new distro
[12:55] <sundown> but I cannot allocate any ip to the eth1
[12:56] <andrewlsd> you'll need DHCP server and a bunch of other things. nope
[12:56] <andrewlsd> you really need two network cards.
[12:56] <sundown> there is two network cards
[12:56] <andrewlsd> (yes, it can be done with one, but I strongly recommend against that)
[12:56] <sundown> I can't see the eth1
[12:56] <sundown> but it is there in the settings
[12:57] <sundown> but won't connect to it
[12:57] <andrewlsd> you aren't going to use the GUI (graphical user interface).
[12:57] <sundown> I just want it to work if I must do it via cli I will
[12:58] <andrewlsd> sundown: this isn't going to work for you.
[13:02] <Kilos> ai!
[13:09] <andrewlsd> sundown and I are still working at this
[13:09] <andrewlsd> trying to help via SSH
[13:15] <Kilos> aha
[13:15] <Kilos> ty andrewlsd 
[13:25] <andrewlsd> over to TeamViewer.... ;-)
[13:30] <Kilos> ouch
[14:06] <andrewlsd> ... and the internet access is up :-)
[14:09] <andrewlsd> I have given sundown a list of the files I changed, and made a copy of the history on the user's desktop.
[14:17] <andrewlsd> traffic forward is on, (without any restrictions). sundown will want to either do squid, or re-install later with ipFire (or similar) to get that functionality.
[14:17] <andrewlsd> cheerio peeps. am jumping offline.
[15:01] <sundown> Thank you everyone for your help with my first linux client :-)
[15:03] <sundown> have a good evening all
[15:04] <Kilos> yay
[20:03] <magespawn> good evening
[20:06] <magespawn> i have a new problem, my xubuntu laptop is not booting normally, and instead starts in safe mode
[20:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn im inna meeting
[20:07] <magespawn> i can still get into normal boot where everything seems to be fine
[20:07] <magespawn> hey Kilos no worries
[20:32] <magespawn> sorry emergency mode, not safe mode
[20:40] <gremble> Single user mode?
[20:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:03] <magespawn> gremble: not too sure, screen looks like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/646414/welcome-to-emergency-mode-think-it-is-a-fsck-problem
[21:07] <magespawn> any way a bit tired now to follow through, tomorrow is another day
[21:07] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all
[21:07] <gremble> cheers magespawn 
[21:08] <inetpro> good evening