[00:40] <Saviq> OMG huge icons...
[05:52] <hikiko> Hello
[06:41] <didrocks> good morning
[06:42] <pitti> Good morning
[06:42] <pitti> didrocks: je suis en route :) salut d'Ulm
[06:43] <pitti> Laney: can you please have a look at the autopkgtest stuff today? internet is almost nonexistant here I'm afraid
[06:44] <pitti> hm, is that instance cleanup script a bit overzealous?
[06:46] <pitti> seb128: bonjour !
[06:46] <seb128> salut pitti!
[06:46] <pitti> I have a funny bug; after yesterday's dist-upgrade my icons on the desktop are now huuuuge
[06:47] <seb128> it's not a bug
[06:47] <seb128> it's GNOME design
[06:47] <pitti> err, wut?
[06:47] <seb128> they made icons bigger so you have a better view of the previews&co
[06:48] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748441
[06:48] <didrocks> hey pitti! bon voyage :)
[06:48] <didrocks> hey seb128
[06:48] <seb128> we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1522316 targetted for xenial
[06:48] <seb128> lut didrocks
[06:49] <pitti> seb128: ah, merci
[06:49] <seb128> de rien
[06:49] <pitti> there goes my internet again, /me waves
[06:49] <pitti> off to some quiet hacking time :)
[06:49] <seb128> brb, going to go guy something to eat
[06:50] <pitti> yeah, eat a guy already
[07:21] <larsu> good morning!
[07:22] <pitti> Laney: argh, silly me -- the cron job was "* */6", that's why it runs every minute; fixed to "0 */6" now
[07:23] <pitti> hey larsu!
[07:24] <didrocks> hey larsu
[07:29] <larsu> guten morgen & bonjour pitti & didrocks!
[07:55] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:09] <seb128> hey Trevinho larsu
[08:09] <seb128> happy friday!
[08:09] <seb128> how are you doing?
[08:21] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[08:22] <Trevinho> happy friday too :-)
[08:22] <Trevinho> Well, still the same... BTW seb128 I heard we'll meet in London in a week or so ;-(
[08:22] <Trevinho> err ;-)
[08:22] <seb128> yeah :-)
[08:22] <seb128> going to be in London next thursday
[08:47] <dgadomski> good morning
[08:50] <dgadomski> I need to completely restrict users (except a certain group) from accessing the cdrom
[08:50] <dgadomski> I tried removing the "uaccess" tag in udev from all ID_CDROM devices, so the access is limited to members of the cdrom group
[08:51] <dgadomski> but the cds still get automounted without checking access to the device
[08:51] <dgadomski> do you have any idea how to achieve this?
[08:57] <willcooke> morning
[08:59] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:01] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[09:02] <Laney> morning!
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:03] <Laney> hey seb128, happy friday!
[09:03] <seb128> thanks, you too!
[09:04] <Laney> what's happening in london?
[09:05] <seb128> Laney is curious
[09:05] <seb128> :-)
[09:05] <seb128> in the "always wanting to know what's going on" sense
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho is visiting people and spending a week there, going to from the office it looks like
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:05] <Laney> secret trips
[09:06] <Laney> ahoy didrocks
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, I and willcooke are going for a day to talk to design about theme, headerbars, etc
[09:06] <seb128> you should maybe come
[09:06] <seb128> easy train trip for you?
[09:06] <seb128> thursday
[09:08] <Laney> hmmmm
[09:09] <Laney> I guess I would have been invited if I was wanted
[09:09] <Laney> just do the right thing!
[09:10] <seb128> yeah, I'm undecided
[09:11] <seb128> balancing between "just ship what upstream is doing" and "we have most of the work done to keep things consistent so might as well stick to that for the lts"
[09:11] <willcooke> Laney, of course you are welcome to come down if you like
[09:11] <willcooke> it's also Christmas do that day
[09:12] <seb128> I was not expecting the nautilus menubar patch to be that much work for example though
[09:34]  * Laney gets a ubuntu-meta s390x build failure
[09:34] <Laney> XNOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[09:34] <didrocks> +X?
[09:35] <Laney> XxXxX
[09:36] <didrocks> hum…
[09:36] <didrocks> I probably made a mistake on the seed as well
[09:36] <didrocks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest
[09:37] <didrocks> russian anyone? :)
[09:37] <Laney> good language
[09:38]  * didrocks looks at the Languages: variable subtitution syntax
[09:38] <didrocks> did I make a booboo?
[09:38] <Laney> how come you didn't upload ubuntu-meta?
[09:38] <didrocks> ah
[09:38] <didrocks> no comma :)
[09:38] <Laney> oh live only?
[09:38] <didrocks> Laney: live only, yeah ;)
[09:38] <didrocks> Laney: do you want to request a new build after I push my fix?
[09:39] <Laney> need to wait for germinate to run
[09:39] <Laney> tell me when apt-cache show pkg | grep Task is right
[09:39] <didrocks> oh? that's not part of the biuld itself?
[09:39] <didrocks> ok :)
[09:41] <didrocks> committed, let's wait for a germinate run :p
[09:42]  * didrocks whistles, that was a collector image :p
[09:45] <Laney> now what happened to the poppler migration :(
[09:48] <davmor2> Laney: xnox is hard core surely it should be XNOxXx
[09:49] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning
[09:55] <Laney> hey pitti!
[09:55] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:59] <Laney> pitti: any idea what happened to blacklist on worker.conf on the armhf cyclops nodes?
[10:00] <Laney> apw just noticed that they are dead "ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'blacklist' in section: 'autopkgtest'"
[10:03] <Laney> pitti: ah right, I can't read git blame, this is new
[10:03] <Laney> I'm going to add a default, scream quickly if I shouldn't
[10:15] <Laney> no scream: done :)
[10:24] <Laney> how come more poppler packages showed up?
[10:24] <Laney> tex wasn't there yesterday
[10:37] <didrocks> Laney: do you know if germinate is cronned or anything? (or if I can get the info myself :p)
[10:38] <Laney> it is, or part of the publisher, or something
[10:38] <Laney> I have lp:ubuntu-archive-publishing in my brain
[10:38] <Laney> might be wrong th ough
[10:38] <didrocks> let me have a lookg
[10:38] <didrocks> as last run is still this morning http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.xenial/
[10:40] <didrocks> hum, no germinate wrapper script hook in publish-distro.d/
[10:40] <Laney> think that is a different one
[10:40] <didrocks> ah?
[10:40] <didrocks> well, otherwise, that can wait over the next official run and check on Monday
[10:40] <larsu> hey seb128!
[10:40] <larsu> (was at dentist)
[10:40] <didrocks> just wanted to have that looked a little bit earlier as it's in my mind
[10:41] <Laney> look in apt-cache show pkg
[10:41] <Laney> if you use chdist on snakefruit that is the most up to date
[10:41] <didrocks> yeah, still nothing after ~1h
[10:41] <didrocks> ah, good idea
[10:41]  * didrocks does
[10:42] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ sudo -u ubuntu-archive chdist apt-cache xenial-amd64 show myspell-en-za | grep Task
[10:42] <Laney> Task: ubuntu-live
[10:42] <Laney> heeeeeeey larsuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[10:43] <didrocks> Laney: yep, confirmed (with language-pack-fr, the most important of them!)
[10:43] <didrocks> Laney: mind kicking a kind build? :p
[10:43] <didrocks> (or even, an excellent one as it will have moarrrrr languages!)
[10:43] <Laney> ok going
[10:44] <didrocks> thanks Laney ;)
[10:44] <Laney> let's see the size increase!
[10:44] <didrocks> oooooOOOOOOOO
[10:44] <didrocks> :)
[10:45] <larsu> morning Laney!
[10:45] <larsu> how's things? happy Friday!
[10:45] <Laney> good, I can see blue sky for the first time in weeks! and friday!
[10:45] <Laney> off to wales tonight
[10:46] <didrocks> Laney: give it back to us!
[10:46] <Laney> the radio just said that this november was the dullest in 84 (or so) years
[10:46] <didrocks> Laney: it's not kind for pitti to have stolen it ;)
[10:46] <Laney> wait, is he offline travelling to you?
[10:47] <didrocks> yep!
[10:47] <Laney> it all fits together!
[10:47] <didrocks> well, I guess he can fetch some network at train stations :)
[10:47] <flocculant> it's raining in Wales till March Laney ... or 2025 - who knows it's Wales
[10:47] <didrocks> (if the train is slowwwwwwww or stopped)
[10:47] <Laney> flocculant: we looked at the mountain top forecast for cadair idris
[10:47] <Laney> looked like we would be blown off the top
[10:48] <Laney> going to pack the kite
[10:48] <Laney> larsu: how are you? good dentist?
[10:48] <flocculant> :)
[10:48] <didrocks> Laney: happy kit(ting?) :p
[10:49] <larsu> Laney: no :(
[10:49] <didrocks> :/
[10:49] <larsu> Laney: well, the dentist is good. What he told me isn't
[10:49] <larsu> (he's actually *very* nice)
[10:49]  * larsu needs 2 fillings replaced
[10:50] <didrocks> urgh, I can imagine this isn't pleasant
[10:50] <Laney> would be better if we could walk this though https://picasaweb.google.com/103348567853548254004/20090503WALKCadairIdrisTheMinfforddPath#5403584357595279378
[10:50] <didrocks> Laney: nice!
[10:50] <Laney> larsu: oh :/
[10:55] <larsu> ooh totem patch from 6 months ago was committed \o/
[10:56] <Laney> ^_^
[11:14] <Laney> mvo: are those snappy processes of yours on cady (porter-armhf) in use?
[11:14] <Laney> the box is slammed and it looks like they might be stale
[11:27] <mvo> Laney: let me kill them
[11:28] <Laney> woot
[11:28]  * Laney has contributed to the load meanwhile
[11:28] <mvo> Laney: I just tried to build snappy there
[11:28] <Laney> ah looked like they were a few days old
[11:29] <Laney> if they are still useful then don't kill :)
[11:30] <mvo> Laney: they are not useful but also not killable it seems, tried kill -9 no luck
[11:30] <didrocks> we have an iso (and so, went from 1.2 to 1.3 Gb, as planned) \o/
[11:31]  * didrocks goes back to plymouth, will do those tests next week
[11:33] <Laney> mvo: oh noes, maybe we'll need to ask IS
[11:33] <Laney> mvo: also, how rude of me, hi and happy friday :)
[11:43] <xnox> Laney, i will do meta, once everything finished building.
[11:43] <xnox> Laney, it shouldn't affect migration.
[11:43] <xnox> Laney, i tried to look at poopler and couldn't figure it out. we seem to have a lot of things in proposed.
[11:44] <Laney> hi xnox
[11:45] <xnox> =)
[11:45] <Laney> happy friday to you too
[11:45] <Laney> I just looked at poppler and chatted some shit about it in #release
[11:45] <Laney> how on earth can there be a component mismatch with qtbase?
[11:45] <Laney> wait
[11:45] <Laney> SILO!
[11:46]  * Laney huffs
[11:48] <Laney> xnox: so the old version in bootstrap is minorly annoying
[11:48] <Laney> can you bump it in there so that we don't get any more things built against the old soname before we fix the archive?
[11:51] <Laney> Mirv: hi, looks like publicsuffix needs MIR https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.5.1+dfsg-6ubuntu1/+build/8388165
[11:52] <xnox> Laney, sorry, no. We did stage as many abi transitions possible, but there was a gap. And our 28 builders are so good that they keep chugging away building things, with old abi, in -release pocket.
[11:52] <Laney> yes well if you bump it then nothing more gets broken
[11:52] <Laney> before then we have to get mir, build qt, build poppler
[11:52] <xnox> Laney, if there is transition tracker, or arch skew, i shall be fixing it.....
[11:52] <Laney> which is pretty seriously annoying given that it was nearly migrated yesterday
[11:53] <Laney> and libreoffice is affected too
[11:53] <Laney> awesome
[11:54] <xnox> Laney, poppler was done on 22nd november.... i'm confused as to how we missed it =(
[11:54] <xnox> haha, we can't cause it doesn't build on s390x.
[11:54] <xnox> yet.
[11:54] <xnox> sigh, i shall fix it.
[11:55] <Laney> like a real failure?
[11:55] <Laney> there were almost no changes vs the previous version
[11:58] <xnox> well, silos building against universe... and i'm having uninstallable qtbase5-dev on s390x.... my stuff.
[12:00] <Mirv> Laney: thank you
[12:09] <faenil> hello o/
[12:09] <faenil> I've noticed ubuntu-desktop-next pulls in system-image-cli
[12:09] <faenil> on desktop
[12:10] <faenil> as a consequence, calling add-apt-repository on desktop prints usage msg from system-image-cli multiple times
[12:30] <didrocks> Laney: I didn't tell you the fun part about this plymouth merge…
[12:30] <didrocks> upstream changed it's spacing syntax from 2 spaces to 8
[12:30] <didrocks> you can imagine how fun it is with our number of patches :p
[12:31]  * Laney cries for you
[12:32] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[12:45] <xnox> didrocks, i remember doing something crazy. there is gnu tool to reformat patches indentation, and then use whitespace ignore diff to figure out things.
[12:46] <didrocks> xnox: I'm just using sed, works quite well :p
[12:46] <didrocks> especially for this "misc_patches"
[12:46] <didrocks> basically, all undocumented things that went in year after year :)
[12:47] <xnox> didrocks, oh that one, yeah it is crazy patch "keybuk did things..."
[12:47] <didrocks> (also, most of patches are not documented, even if separated)
[12:47] <didrocks> xnox: yeah, with debian versions…
[12:47] <didrocks> just to make the merge even more confusing :p
[12:49] <Laney> that was a Keybuk thing
[12:49] <Laney> "we are upstream for this package, the version namespace is ours"
[12:51] <didrocks> yeah, not nice :/
[13:29] <didrocks> I'm amazed by the number of uploads without description (like why this patch has been disabled and such?)
[13:37] <Laney> didrocks: can you remove openmw and binaries from xenial-proposed please?
[13:37] <Laney> borked on armhf, want to upload a rebuild of the old version
[13:42] <didrocks> Laney: sure, you meant source and binaries?
[13:43] <Laney> yep
[13:44] <didrocks> Laney: done!
[13:44] <Laney> merci!
[13:45] <didrocks> de rien :)
[13:46] <Laney> food time
[13:52]  * didrocks goes to fetch pitti at the train station
[13:54] <larsu> didrocks: say hi to him!
[15:28] <didrocks> larsu: done :p
[15:29] <desrt> hello desktopians
[15:32] <Laney> ahoy desrt
[15:32] <Laney> how's dconf?
[15:33] <Laney> hey didrocks and pitti
[15:40] <didrocks> hey desrt :) re Laney!
[15:40] <desrt> Laney: stuff is changing!
[15:41] <desrt> gsettingsbackend is being ripped up fairly good
[15:41] <desrt> hopefully not too much breaks :)
[15:45] <pitti> ça va mes amis !
[15:46] <pitti> mon internet est cassé, il parle français maintenant !
[15:46]  * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks
[15:46]  * didrocks donne une accolade également
[15:46] <Laney> didrocks is always showing off about his fast internet
[15:46] <Laney> you should download all the linux isos
[15:46] <pitti> Laney: "I'm going to add a default" -> what? where? how?
[15:46] <Laney> see autopkgtest-cloud
[15:48] <pitti> Laney: linux isos? still ENOCLUE :/
[15:48] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/commit/?id=90d85a52a52360521a7f749bca090d8f53b1aa43
[15:49] <pitti> Laney: aah, I see; where did I forget to set it?
[15:49] <Laney> worker.conf for armhf
[15:49] <pitti> Laney: argh, thanks for that
[15:49] <Laney> thank apw for noticing, I just monkeyed up this :)
[15:50] <Laney> they were down overnight so the armhf queue was about 1300 this morning
[15:50] <Laney> exciting!
[15:50] <pitti> Laney: yeah, go glibc :)
[15:55] <Laney> good thing is we have another qtbase upload coming!
[15:55]  * Laney hopes xnox does it before the weekend
[15:56] <Laney> so that 9999 kde tests can happen in time for monday
[15:56] <xnox> Laney, .... yes.....
[15:57]  * Laney snuggles xnox 
[15:57] <Laney> I never doubted you
[15:57] <Laney> rooibos time
[15:57] <xnox> Laney, i am in conference calls, but yeah, fiddling things.
[15:57] <Laney> the life of a customer facing engineer eh
[15:57] <pitti> Laney: ok, any fires to be put out by me still?
[15:58] <pitti> I'm not aware of anything right now other than the queues being achingly long of course
[15:58] <Laney> pitti: there are some alerts, no idea about most of them
[15:59] <pitti> I briefly checked, looks like the usual noise
[15:59] <pitti> that noise for sure needs to be addresed, but not ona Friday evening
[15:59] <Laney> timeouts and random stuff
[15:59] <Laney> I didn't think it was anything OMG worthy
[16:00] <Laney> so would have deleted pending.txt but that doesn't seem to exist any more
[16:00] <pitti> right
[16:00] <pitti> glibc is only a small change
[16:00] <pitti> and it has quite some green
[16:00] <pitti> I'm almost tempted to hint it in and flush the queus
[16:00] <pitti> Laney: pending.json now indeed
[16:00] <Laney> can rm that one?
[16:00] <pitti> Laney: no, please don't
[16:01] <pitti> Laney: britney will re-request all 2.000 tests again
[16:01] <Laney> pitti: well then :)
[16:01] <pitti> Laney: you can remove individual tests from it if you care, of course
[16:01] <pitti> but either we let the glibc/qt flood settle down, or we hint it through and flush
[16:01] <Laney> do you have a way to flush just the glibc ones?
[16:02] <Laney> if you want to hint it in
[16:02] <pitti> Laney: no, I don't
[16:02] <pitti> Laney: in that case, it's (1) flush all queues, (2) remove pending.json
[16:02] <pitti> and britney will just re-request the other ones
[16:02] <Laney> after force-skiptest I presume
[16:02] <pitti> yes
[16:03] <Laney> is the trigger in the amqp queue?
[16:03] <pitti> yes
[16:03] <pitti> you can see it on running.html
[16:03] <Laney> yeah didn't know if that was retrieved out of band somehow
[16:03] <pitti> but while it's trivial to flush all requests, it requires code to filter out the glibc ones
[16:03] <Laney> so you could do something similar to running.shtml but ack those ones
[16:03] <pitti> right
[16:04] <pitti> but honestly, full flush and rm pending.json is simpler and safer
[16:04] <Laney> seems annoying to have to remember to come back later
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: I'm not sure which way around the hints are processed
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: if force-skiptest is looked at before requesting tests, then we can hint and flush at the same time
[16:06] <pitti> that seems worht writing a test for, and fix if it doesn't DTRT
[16:08] <pitti> Laney: filed bug 1522893 for that
[16:08] <pitti> but this time I'll just wait the ten minutes, Friday evening and all :)
[16:12] <Laney> :)
[16:17] <pitti> Depends: glibc linux
[16:18] <pitti> le what??
[16:18] <pitti> versioned linux-libc-dev or whatnot?
[16:23] <pitti> Laney: dang, I wrote the test case, and it does request tests even with a force-skiptest
[16:23]  * pitti cecks how difficult that is to fix
[16:24] <Laney> it seems elegant to me to have force-skiptest cancel the outstanding requests
[16:26] <Laney> but I don't know how robust the read-and-ack implementation would be
[16:27] <pitti> Laney: britney can't do that, it's not allowed to consume AMQP requests ATM
[16:27] <pitti> we could relax that of course, but meh fiddly
[16:27] <pitti> for now I just want to fix it to not issue new requests for force-skiptests
[16:27] <pitti> it's not entirely trivial, but I'm currently looking at it, should not be too hard either
[16:30] <Laney> pitti: OK then, that sounds like a good improvement anyway
[16:43] <pitti> ÇA MARCHE !
[16:45] <pitti> Laney: ^ pushing the fix
[16:47] <pitti> and britney just copied the kernel and glibc
[16:47] <pitti> so whatever :)
[16:47] <pitti> (that was before my fix even)
[16:48] <pitti> so I blame any breakage on apw now, on the new linux 4.3 kernel
[16:51] <xnox> \o/
[16:51] <xnox> lovely
[16:52] <pitti> Laney: ok, all done, next britney run ought to re-queue stuff
[16:52] <pitti> xnox: right, you were waiting on that glibc
[16:53] <xnox> but e.g. zipl-installer was not copied over.
[16:53] <pitti> right in time for EOW :)
[16:53] <xnox> i wonder if i will need to ask to hint all the s390 d-i stuff to go in together....
[16:53] <didrocks> xnox: btw, what's your ETA for the MIRs?
[16:53] <didrocks> (you shamelessy squeezed the queue :p)
[16:55] <xnox> didrocks, ASAP. they are all built now, but not yet migrated to release.
[16:55] <xnox> didrocks, when they migrate to release, i'll be very sad on monday, if there is no progress on them =(
[16:55] <xnox> didrocks, i filed out the form dully and to the best of my knowledge, all build correctly, and e.g. foundations bugs are subscribed.
[16:55] <didrocks> xnox: ok, will add some to the list and try to do some early next week :)
[16:55] <xnox> didrocks, most of the packages are tiny, the s390-tools & libpfm4 are the only big ones =)
[16:56] <xnox> didrocks, yeah, sounds lovely =)
[16:56] <didrocks> xnox: just remind me on Monday if you will
[16:56] <didrocks> (just in case I'm side-tracked)
[16:58] <xnox> didrocks, well, i should migrate them and procrastinate a bit, then i'll remind you about them ;-)
[17:00] <didrocks> heh ;)
[17:26] <Laney> happy weekends!
[17:26]  * Laney zzzzzzzzzooms to wales
[17:27] <qengho> Careful, there are Welsh there!
[17:30]  * pitti waves good bye, have a nice weekend everyone!
[17:31] <didrocks> see you on Monday pitti!
[17:31] <didrocks> hem, WAIT!
[18:07] <willcooke> g'night all, happy weekends
[18:52] <davmor2> grrrrr new nautilus has silly sized folders on 4k and stupid meter bar does go away on the launcher icon even though it finished the transfer :(
[18:59] <xnox> davmor2, your problem seems to be with a 4k display, rather than nautilus. have you tried using a different screen?
[19:00]  * xnox ponders if i will regret ordering a 4k display
[19:00] <davmor2> xnox: it's big on the 1080p screen too
[19:01] <xnox> davmor2, sorry i cannot see any icons, i'm in drowing in virtual punchcard tapes here =)
[19:03] <davmor2> xnox: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/big-new-nautilus.png
[19:04] <xnox> davmor2, oh that's normal
[19:04] <xnox> davmor2, you should see fedora, they had that pain for 1 or 2 releases now.
[19:04] <xnox> davmor2, there is a butoon in top right to make things smaller.
[19:05] <davmor2> xnox: yes but that is hideously big icons
[19:05] <xnox> davmor2, CONVERGENCE =)
[19:05] <davmor2> xnox: no it isn't that is just ugly
[19:05] <xnox> davmor2, i'ts lovely on touch screens, and people with bad eye sight
[19:05] <xnox> davmor2, how dare you speak against fedora technical commitee =)))))))
[19:06] <davmor2> xnox: the 4k is a touch screen and not it isn't ;)
[19:06] <xnox> i know, i think we can change the default size in gsettings overrides?!
[19:06] <xnox> cause it must be gsettings driver.
[19:06] <xnox> cause it must be gsettings driven.
[19:06]  * xnox is on wily
[19:07] <davmor2> xnox: wuss, xenial or it's dead to me, until I need to test 14.04.4 obviously then xenial is dead to me too ;)