[01:02] <TheHorribleBear_> anybody has long-time experience with ubuntu touch? I don't like android. I never liked it. The only mobile OS I hate more is iOS. So I want to try Ubuntu Touch (firefox os is dead i think). whats about the bootloader? am I able to install another os too if I want? do i have root? when i program an terminal application for debian, does it run on ubuntu touch then?
[01:11] <k1l_> bootloader depends on device, but that should be open since they are android devices basically.
[01:11] <k1l_> so if there is another OS that was build for that device it should be able to be installed.
[01:12] <k1l_> there are some bq android users who installed ubuntu-touch and vice versa.
[01:12] <k1l_> you have "root"
[01:13] <k1l_> ubuntu-touch works with click packages. you can make its system parition rw and use apt-get but that is more a plan b than the ubuntu-touch  smartphone way
[01:14] <k1l_> TheHorribleBear_: since you got a .at ip take a look at ubuntuusers.de there are some articles in the wiki and some users with phones in the forums.
[01:14] <TheHorribleBear_> k1l_: yeah but android smartphones normally have a closed bootloader. and whats about updates? is it like on android where you don't get updates if you have a mediatek cpu for instance?
[01:15] <TheHorribleBear_> ok i will look. thanks
[01:15] <k1l_> they just shipped OTA update 8 for all ubuntu devices. and OTA9 is scheduled for january iirc
[01:17] <TheHorribleBear_> k1l_: ok thank you
[01:17] <TheHorribleBear_> looks like ubuntu touch is a nice and "open" OS
[01:17] <k1l_> its really open source
[01:19] <TheHorribleBear_> k1l_: yeah I know. I also like the root rights on ubuntu touch. thats one of the things i hate on android. it feels like a jail
[07:37] <RMJ> Hi there, anyone know if you can reduce the mic volume? My wife has complained I'm very loud on a call!
[08:03] <zzarr> hello, do the proposed channel have support for bluetooth?
[08:05] <zzarr> I read that OTA-9 will have, but it is released 2016-01-22 (yyyy-mm-dd)
[08:10] <JanC> zzarr: what do you mean with "support for bluetooth"?
[08:10] <seb128> zzarr, hey, what do you mean "support for bluetooth"? there is bluetooth support for a long time
[08:11] <JanC> LOL
[08:11] <seb128> ota9 is going to have bluez5 and some improvements though
[08:11] <zzarr> QtBluetooth
[08:12] <RMJ> Bluetooth does work atm but yes it is a bit flaky
[08:12] <zzarr> I can't load the bluetooth module with "QT += bluetooth" (it works for other platforms like desktop)
[08:12] <RMJ> Anyone know how to reduce the mic volume?
[08:13] <dholbach> good morning
[08:13] <zzarr> good morning
[08:16] <zzarr> will OTA-9 use Qt 5.5.1?
[09:31] <zzarr> RMJ, I get this error when I try to use bluetooth "Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: bluetooth" (when I write "QT += bluetooth" in the .pro file)
[09:33] <RMJ> I'm using N4, how are you starting bluetooth to see this error?
[09:33] <zzarr> I tried to install "qtconnectivity5-dev" in the kit, but it have unmet dependencies
[09:34] <zzarr> ("qtbase5-dev")
[09:34] <RMJ> The bluetooth sometimes only works after a reboot for me and it does not connect to every BT device I have
[09:34] <RMJ> oh ok, I'm not that advanced, I'm just using OTA8 as stock
[09:35] <zzarr> hmm... I think we are talking past each other
[09:35] <RMJ> It works with a Logitech M557 BT mouse which starts desktop mode
[09:35] <zzarr> I'm talking about developing  an app using bluetooth, it works on my phone
[09:35] <RMJ> sry
[09:36] <zzarr> no problem, thanks for trying to help me :)
[09:36] <RMJ> np
[09:37] <RMJ> as ppl have said the next update should be a big improvement for bluetooth on the devices
[09:39] <zzarr> yes :)
[09:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Wildlife Conservation Day! 😃
[10:04] <robin-hero> hey all, I've just read it in the Landing mail there's a new Camera app in the yesterday's image, but this update hasn't arrived for me yet.
[10:10] <robin-hero> Hey sil2100, I have a question. I there will be an OTA-8.5 update, it will be include all changes which are fix released in ww02-16 buglist or it will be only include the ww50-15 buglist? I hope you are understand me :)
[10:12] <sil2100> robin-hero: hello! ww50-2015 is the milestone for the OTA-8.5 hotfix release, so not really too many changes but high-importance ones
[10:12] <sil2100> The list is not complete yet though
[10:12] <sil2100> So there might be more/less bugs in it when the final release happens
[10:13] <robin-hero> So wee need to wait the OTA-9 for the "custom ringtone" feature, right?
[10:16] <mmmcandy> robin-hero, or change to rc-proposed channel
[10:17] <sil2100> robin-hero: yeah :)
[10:18] <sil2100> Well, officially we do not recommend the rc-proposed channel end-user phones
[10:18] <sil2100> Use at your own risk, we had already a few cases where some images didn't boot for various reasons
[10:26] <robin-hero> mmmcandy, sil2100 I've already use the rc-proposed channel :)
[10:26] <robin-hero> sil2100, Thanks
[10:35] <bad> ASSERT: "!isEmpty()" in file /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/include/QtCore/qlist.h, line 292
[10:35] <bad> what can i do against this mistake?
[10:36] <Guest71231> can anyone help me w?
[10:41] <Guest71231> ASSERT: "!isEmpty()" in file /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/include/QtCore/qlist.h, line 292
[10:41] <Guest71231> i get this error
[10:41] <Guest71231> what can i do?
[10:55] <Guest71231> is there any developer online?
[10:58] <ogra_> Guest71231, try #ubuntu-app-devel
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-8-5-hotfix-should-arrive-for-all-ubuntu-phone-users-soon-497110.shtml
[12:13] <jibel> sil2100, ^ it's your fault again :)
[12:14] <ogra_> we should just switch to 3 week release cycles :P
[12:35] <sil2100> I... uhh...
[12:35]  * sil2100 runs away to hide (and have lunch)
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/first-night-clock-app-released-for-ubuntu-phones-available-now-for-free-497115.shtml
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> nice1
[15:08] <sergiusens> ogra_, are you aware of any bug open for rc-proposed where any app wanting to use location (through network-manager) gets appamor blocked
[15:08] <sergiusens> ?
[15:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, nope, i guess tvoss would know though
[15:09] <sergiusens> maybe jibel ?
[15:15] <sergiusens> ogra_, how do I go backwards using system-image-cli ?
[15:17] <ogra_> i dont thik thats possible
[15:17] <ogra_> you could go to stable
[15:17] <ogra_> that would go backwards
[15:17] <ogra_> with --switch
[15:21] <jibel> sergiusens, I am not aware of such bugs.
[15:22] <jibel> davmor2, ^ do you know?
[15:22] <davmor2> nope
[15:22] <jibel> sergiusens, you get apparmor denials in syslog?
[15:32] <sergiusens> jibel, davmor2 I updated this morning and now osmtouch, activitytracker and others have a denial on "send" to network manager
[15:32] <sergiusens> oh, clock also fails
[15:38] <abeato> Laney, we would like to sync gstreamer in the overlay (1.6), would it be possible to upload designated packages to silo 41?
[15:38] <davmor2> sergiusens: nothing has changed with network manager or location service till the dbus fix lands and is put into an image
[15:39] <sergiusens> davmor2, meh; maybe a reboot helps; do you know how to go to revision -1 from system-image-cli? or if not, which one is the stable channel for arale?
[15:40] <dobey> sergiusens, ogra_: you can also specify a revison to system-image-cli i think
[15:40] <dobey> sergiusens: -b $NUMBER (but can't do relative numbers i don't think)
[15:40] <ogra_> hmm, i think you need -b0 then to reset the base and get a full reinstall
[15:41] <dobey> so if you're on 8, you could do -b 7
[15:41] <davmor2> sergiusens: just done fresh flashes of latest on arale and krillin and both open clock and correctly ask for location and get one
[15:41] <sergiusens> dobey, yeah, but I can't do full flash with -b unless it is 0 :-/
[15:41] <davmor2> sergiusens: yes thanks :)
[15:41] <Laney> abeato: ok which packages?
[15:41] <sergiusens> davmor2, right, I'm on a running system for like over 6 months
[15:42] <sergiusens> davmor2, feels like I'm on Windows and the format days are back :-P
[15:42] <abeato> Laney, gstreamer1.0, plugins-base, good, bad
[15:42] <dobey> sergiusens: you mean just use the full size image, rather than reverse applying the xdelta?
[15:42] <Laney> ugly?
[15:42] <Laney> you have amr no?
[15:42] <davmor2> sergiusens: you always have windows or you live in a cave
[15:42] <abeato> Laney, you are right, for amr
[15:43] <sergiusens> davmor2, I'm an overgrown hobbit!
[15:43] <Laney> ok
[15:43] <Laney> I forgot what the rules are for versioning
[15:43] <Laney> sil2100: remind me what the right convention for overlay backport versioning is please?
[15:44] <davmor2> sergiusens: they had windows too :p  might just be a rogue config or something, do you have anything installed from the archive that could affect the system?
[15:45] <sergiusens> davmor2, so in any case, what is the stable channel for arale? the docs say to use ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[15:45] <sergiusens> but that feels outdated
[15:46] <sil2100> Laney: hey, we use a very simple and no-brainer one usually - just appending ~overlay1/2/3.. to the end
[15:46] <Laney> ok
[15:52] <sergiusens> sil2100, which one is the stable channel for arale?
[15:54] <sil2100> sergiusens: ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en
[15:54] <sergiusens> sil2100, thanks
[15:54] <sil2100> yw! ;)
[15:54] <sergiusens> sil2100, the docs need updating btw ;-)
[15:55] <sil2100> Oh? Let me check :)
[15:57] <sergiusens> sil2100, oh, nvm there's a ref here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ to the list for actual channels
[15:57] <sergiusens> I wish the code snippet there used a stub --channel though
[16:35] <test_pt> hey
[16:35] <test_pt> anyone here?
[16:36] <davmor2> test_pt: lots
[16:36] <test_pt> the linux channel is dead :)
[16:36] <test_pt> hi folks
[16:37] <test_pt> do you know if it's possible to get ubuntu touch on a cube u30gt-h (rkt 3066) ?
[16:43] <test_pt> no takers ?
[16:43] <test_pt> do you know if it's possible to get ubuntu touch on a cube u30gt-h (rkt 3066) ?
[16:43] <ogra_> !devices
[16:44] <ogra_> if there is no port on that page you would have to attemp a port yourself
[16:44] <test_pt> Ogra
[16:44] <test_pt> you're a lifesaver
[16:44] <test_pt> thanks mate
[16:44] <ogra_> i guess it it unlikely thouh ... but good luck
[16:46] <test_pt> damn
[16:46] <test_pt> not a line ..
[16:46] <test_pt> pikunto for rkt 3066 exists
[16:46] <test_pt> and there's a russian port
[16:47] <test_pt> but I can't understand jack from it ...
[16:47] <test_pt> google translate sucks on russian
[16:47] <test_pt> thanks anyway
[16:47] <test_pt> gonna keep diggin
[17:27] <abeato> Laney, one issue with plugins-bad and the overlay is that it asks for gtk-3 >= 1.15, while we have 1.14 in the overlay... I changed the dependency to >= 1.14 and it compiled fine, so don't know if that restriction is completely necessary or not
[17:28] <Laney> 3.15
[17:28] <Laney> abeato: I'm going to get to it on Monday
[17:28] <Laney> but you could git blame to find out why it was changed
[17:28] <abeato> oh, yeah, 3.15 :)
[17:28] <abeato> Laney, yes, I'll take a look
[18:18] <sergiusens> davmor2, ogra_ fwiw,  a reboot solved my wonky dbus issue
[18:19] <ogra_> oh
[18:19] <ogra_> windows touch :P
[18:56] <mcphail> Has OTA 8.5 been confirmed?
[18:59] <davmor2> mcphail: no
[18:59] <davmor2> mcphail: I'm sure sil2100 will announce it when it is
[19:00] <sil2100> We're still working on things that need to be done before the date will be known
[19:01] <mcphail> sil2100: but there is a commitment to have a release before the expected date of OTA9?
[19:02] <sil2100> mcphail: yes, the whole idea of OTA-8.5 is to release a few important fixes before the end-of-year holidays
[19:02] <sil2100> Possibly soon
[19:02] <mcphail> sil2100: davmor2: great. Cheers!
[23:06] <jarlath> Anyone care to confirm this easy one for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1522984
[23:11] <ahayzen> jarlath, yup, i had this earlier today :-)
[23:32]  * hussi slaps mwenning around a bit with a large fishbot
[23:33] <mwenning> hussi, what'd I do?
[23:33] <hussi> i want to install android studio on ubuntu?
[23:33] <hussi> How to install it?
[23:34] <hussi> Can you help me?
[23:35] <mwenning> https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/132-mobile/779326-mobile-development-how-to-install-android-studio-on-ubuntu-version-1404
[23:37] <hussi> Ok thank you...
[23:37] <kostkon> hussi, also consider:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[23:39]  * mwenning has no idea why he has been selected as an android studio expert
[23:49] <dobey> or why that's asked in this channel