[00:59] <OvenWerks> I had to pre-format my partition again to install.
[01:03] <OvenWerks> There is an error messgae that gets repeated a bunch of times at session start too. I will have to reboot to see it.
[01:05] <OvenWerks> ... ok reboot
[01:09] <OvenWerks> zequence: xsession errors (.xsession-errors) has:
[01:10] <OvenWerks> openConnection: connect: No such file or directory
[01:10] <OvenWerks> cannot connect to brltty at :0
[01:10] <OvenWerks> Service 'org.kde.kaccessibleapp' does not exist.
[01:10] <OvenWerks>  then the next two lines about 10 times:upstart: upstart-event-bridge main process (1358) terminated with status 1
[01:10] <OvenWerks> upstart: upstart-event-bridge main process ended, respawning
[01:11] <OvenWerks> followed by :upstart: upstart-event-bridge respawning too fast, stopped
[01:11] <OvenWerks> (which makes sense)
[01:14] <OvenWerks> zequence: I would suggest kaccessibleapp is a part/dependency of krita maybe? One of the kde apps anyway.
[01:15] <OvenWerks> brltty I think is a device. Someone last cycle was talking about adding accessable options. maybe it was not finished right or is still missing something.
[01:20] <OvenWerks> /var/log/syslog looks sick. Tons of:
[01:20] <OvenWerks> Dec  3 17:06:34 studio1604 ureadahead[250]: ureadahead:..: Ignored relative path
[01:20] <OvenWerks> Dec  3 17:06:34 studio1604 ureadahead[250]: ureadahead:m_can: Ignored relative p
[01:20] <OvenWerks> ath
[01:21] <OvenWerks> replace the m_cn with many other things. I have screens and screens of it
[01:23] <OvenWerks> zeq after all those screens I have 4 (one per core) "Cut here" sections with:
[01:23] <OvenWerks> Dec  3 17:07:08 studio1604 kernel: [   93.468330] WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 904 at /build/linux-26_gwp/linux-4.2.0/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:12328 check_crtc_state+0x2c5/0x440 [i915]()
[01:23] <OvenWerks> Dec  3 17:07:08 studio1604 kernel: [   93.468332] pipe state doesn't match!
[01:25] <OvenWerks> Ah, there it is... on the vterms I see a lot of lines like:
[01:25] <OvenWerks>  [drm:intel_pipe_config_compare [i915]] *ERROR* mismatch in dpll_hw_state.wrpll (expected 0xb018080f, found 0x00000000)
[01:30] <OvenWerks> no not quite the same, but very similar. If I log out then in I get more of them. I think it is mess from upstart to systemd, but not sure.
[01:30] <OvenWerks> everything still seems to work though.
[03:04] <OvenWerks> There does seem to be no specimen-gnome in our iso
[09:16] <zequence> ubuntustudio-meta did not build for arch s390x. Not sure anyone with that arch will miss it, but it's happening at least once a day.
[09:58] <zequence> Besides, the arch is not enabled in the meta. I'll let it be until monday. If the problem persists, I'll ask Ubuntu devs for some clues.
[10:00] <flocculant> OvenWerks: I invalid'd that testcase bug btw
[10:29] <zequence> I'm adding a new project for us. Calling it ubuntustudio-dev-tools with a repo with the same name
[10:29] <zequence> Going to use git instead of bzr for this one
[10:30] <zequence> Going to put a toolin there, which is not finished yet, which lets you search for packages from any Ubuntu or Debian release, and outputting the information in either standard, moin or html format
[10:31] <zequence> Adding markdown later too
[10:31] <zequence> Calling it apt-search
[10:32] <zequence> It has some ugly code in it, and is far from efficient, but I'm already using it for some things, so might as well put it out there for others to take a look at
[14:39] <OvenWerks> flocculant: I think that is best.
[14:39] <OvenWerks> zequence: On github then?
[15:00] <OvenWerks> zequence: found it.
[15:46] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yeah, LP has git support, and I'm pretty sure a lot of folks will want to move to it later on.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> zequence: remembering the different commands from one to the other makes for mistakes. But my IDE has git tools so it is easy to commit.
[15:59] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm really more used to git myself. It is what the Canonical kernel devs use, since Linux is all administrered in git. Also, I use it for all of my own projects, and let's face it, it's everywhere these days.
[15:59] <OvenWerks> I use git for all my own stuff as well.
[16:00] <zequence> Ok, then I know exactly what you mean by confusing the commands :)
[16:01] <zequence> There are some big file applications with git as well. Haven't yet learned to use any of them, but thinking it might be a good thing to have for any kind of big size media production, like movies and recordings
[16:33] <OvenWerks> There are some DAWs that use git for snapshots (I am thinking nama is one)
[16:34] <OvenWerks> zequence: I did some nondaw testing a few days ago. They have an import from Ardour project function, so I just used that for speed.
[16:37] <OvenWerks> I would not recommend it at all. On import it does not resample if required. But beyond that setting up two applications and manually connecting them via qjackctl (only 11 tracks) was a pain. What was even more painful was to do a save/quit/reopen and find out that the connections are not saved... One has to set up yet another application to do that. I guess once one has set up templates the workflow would improve.
[16:39] <zequence> I have yet to try any of the non stuff
[16:40] <zequence> I'm using ardour currently to record. Finding the calf plugins very useful. Haven't really started to look what else I can use yet
[16:40] <OvenWerks> To be honest, non has been well done and does work. It could use a lot more love though. only one developer so far as I know.
[16:40] <zequence> That guy male, isn't it?
[16:41] <zequence> It's incredible what one person can achieve. I find it hard to even get small details done
[16:41] <OvenWerks> zequence: I have found the calf plugins to be less than reliable (at least in 1404)
[16:41] <OvenWerks> The reverb can have 1000/1 gain and some of the controls can't be automated on the eq
[16:42] <zequence> I'm using 15.10. No automation at all. Haven't really gotten to mixing yet. Just worked on a preliminary mix for the drums
[16:42] <OvenWerks> q10eq is nice, but the x42 fil4 is better again.
[16:42] <zequence> EQ, compressors and limiters all work well
[16:42] <zequence> Oh?
[16:43] <zequence> I will need to try it
[16:43] <OvenWerks> x42 fil4 is based on fons ladspa fil4 but has added high and low shlves
[16:44] <zequence> Ah
[16:44] <zequence> NoklaM: Nice to see you are still with us. It really is rare for anyone to show up the way you did.
[16:45] <zequence> Also for someone to get things done as quickly as you did. Really, really rare :)
[16:46] <OvenWerks> I am still looking for a good SW guitar amp. Guitarix is nice but the gui in the plugin affects the host's colours too making them unusable
[16:46] <OvenWerks> (this may be fixed by now)
[16:47] <zequence> Last time I tested rackarakk, I was having problems finding the actual amp
[16:47] <zequence> I've tried both, and they do work, but I always prefer a real amp
[16:48] <zequence> I only have about 9 square meters in my studio, and not much of it is isolated, so I have a lot of bad resonance, especially in the low frequencies, which makes it difficult with the real amp sound.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> I don't really have one right now. Best I could do is use my sans amp through a clean amp to a 12inch speaker
[16:48] <zequence> But, I'm going to insulate the room next year. Found some really nice tips on youtube
[16:49] <zequence> If only there had been youtube when I greq up
[16:49] <zequence> I have two. One cheap Peavy Supreme amp. It works, but it's not the best.
[16:49] <zequence> It's extremely versitile. So, you can do almost anything with it.
[16:49] <zequence> Even has a builtin compressor
[16:50] <zequence> The other is a bit of a Rolls Royce. A Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier.
[16:50] <zequence> Just bought new rectifier tubes. Think that's why the fuse blew :P.
[16:51] <zequence> Still learning about tubes
[16:51] <OvenWerks> I am hoping to build one of these: http://ax84.com/4-4-0.html
[16:51] <zequence> Nice
[16:52] <zequence> I'm really into building my own stuff too. Started collecting schematics a few years ago, and even bought parts for a simple beginner project, but haven't really gotten anywhere since.
[16:52] <zequence> But, I'm guessing you already have a bit of experience in that kind of thing?
[16:53] <OvenWerks> I have not done much with tubes yet. BUt have done video, digital and audio circuitry
[16:54] <zequence> The only thing I've done when it comes to electronics is soldering a bunch of cables, pretty much. Got some ok tools for that a few years back, and did some work on a studio we used to have.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> In the 90s I built a midi filter and a midi switcher.
[16:55] <zequence> That's very cool :)
[16:55] <OvenWerks> I've put together a few mixers (generally passive) as well.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> I needed the filter for my drum pads because it came with synth sounds on the non-drum channels.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> bad synth sounds...
[16:57] <OvenWerks> these days I wouldn't use the drum sounds either.
[16:58] <OvenWerks> But back then the computer was only good for sequencing so all my sounds came from some kind of HW synth.
[16:59] <zequence> Ataris are still pretty decent sequencers, compared to a lot of PCs
[16:59] <OvenWerks> Yes I have an old megaST.
[16:59] <OvenWerks> I also have a QX7
[17:00] <zequence> I have a hybrid. Think it's 1024 + 2048, or 512 + 1024. Haven't used it much. But, my cousins father who gave it to me was using it as his PC back in the late 90s.
[17:00] <zequence> He was surfing the internet with it. Can you imagine?
[17:00] <OvenWerks> I used one track of my Fostex r8 for sync to run the sequencer. I set the R8 channel 8 about 10db down just for that.
[17:01] <OvenWerks> The ST was a quite a good machine.
[17:01] <OvenWerks> I learned c on it.
[17:01] <zequence> Is that an ADAT? The Fostex?
[17:02] <OvenWerks> Use the zosobon compiler with was mostly K&R.
[17:02] <OvenWerks> The R8 is a 1/4 inch open real 8 track.
[17:02] <zequence> This is the youtube channel I was talking about. A very generous person, as far as informing people on his skills https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-f76NUQN5M-Z0cd0MOP5xw
[17:02] <zequence> Ah
[17:03] <zequence> I've never used one of those. Only recorded on one, once. An 8-track, that is.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> I never use it. The tape costs too much and goes bad too fast.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> I did a few projects on it back then, but I would choose digital by choice now.
[17:05] <OvenWerks> Nice link, I'll have to spend some time watching.
[17:05] <zequence> Sometime around 1996 our band had the opportunity to record at this great studio. We had one hour to lay three tracks, and mix them down. During the mix, the mixer guy and his assisten were standing over the mute buttons, and levelers at the mixer, making sure everything went right.
[17:06] <OvenWerks> mixing is a talent too.
[17:06] <zequence> They probably had automation, but it took time to program that
[17:06] <zequence> So, they did that manually
[17:06] <zequence> We got the master on a DAT tape
[17:07] <OvenWerks> My masters all ended up on cassete back then.
[17:08] <zequence> It's hard to imagine doing that now :D
[17:08] <zequence> Today you can do better almost, just recoring in your bedroom
[17:08] <zequence> Virtual amps, drum samplers, and all those soft FX
[17:08] <OvenWerks> I think I remastered the demo I did for a friend from 8 track to CD pretty early on.
[17:09] <zequence> Before personal CD burners?
[17:10] <OvenWerks> I would do the whole thing differently now even with the same equipment. I have learned a lot since.
[17:10] <OvenWerks> it would have been a computer based burner.
[17:11] <zequence> Dinner time here. The chicken is ready. Suitable friday meal.
[17:12] <OvenWerks> Timne for breakfast here
[17:12] <zequence> Haha
[17:54] <NoklaM> Hey o/ sorry was away for a minute
[17:54] <NoklaM> or actually half a day and forgot to log out ;/
[17:57] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: no problem, Someof us just leave ourselves on all the time.
[17:57] <OvenWerks> Then look at the backlog.
[17:58]  * OvenWerks is at UTC -0700
[18:00] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: it is not uncommon to leave a comment where the person I am talking to is asleep... they may answer while I am gone too.
[18:00] <NoklaM> Ah the time diference
[18:01] <NoklaM> It can be annoying
[18:01] <NoklaM> is the latest build compiling?
[18:01] <OvenWerks> It did yesterday, I installed the ISO here.
[18:01] <NoklaM> Ah wicked I'll be Installing shortly(after i find a second mouse and keyboard)
[18:02] <NoklaM> Unless a find a way to install studio and run it headless 
[18:02] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: I have a 2TB drive, I made a pile of 20G partitions just for test installs.
[18:03] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: ssh -Y
[18:03] <NoklaM> does the -Y give audio and video?
[18:03] <OvenWerks> Not sure if that will work from an ISO boot.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> Audio would still be on the machine. But video can be on the machine you are logging from.
[18:04] <NoklaM> Bought a used WD mycloud 2TB for backups of files I'm working on after the "i broke it" moment
[18:05] <OvenWerks> For remote login with ssh -Y, I like to run xfce4-pannel with dbuslaunch.
[18:06] <OvenWerks> That way I have a menu on the remote machine.
[18:07] <NoklaM> I was thinking i could also do Virtualization 
[18:07] <NoklaM> But ESXi does not want to work with a Sempton CPU
[18:07] <OvenWerks> I always install to HW
[18:08] <NoklaM> OvenWerks: i got a dedicated pc for it the testing of Studio, just no way of actually accessing it
[18:08] <NoklaM> aka i have no second mouse ;/
[18:08] <OvenWerks> that why I put more partitions on my main machine.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> The last batch of mice I bought were $3 each at my local dollar store. I think I paid $3 each for my keyboards too.
[18:09] <NoklaM> hmm, could do that, but it's only a 120GB SSD and it's 60% full
[18:09] <NoklaM> Yea i know hehe they're dirt cheap but it's also a space on desk issue
[18:10] <NoklaM> between a graphics tablet a keyboard and a mice there is not much space left 
[18:10] <OvenWerks> SWitch box
[18:10] <NoklaM> I'll google that
[18:11] <OvenWerks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch
[18:11] <NoklaM> ah yes, thanks
[18:11] <NoklaM> that would solve the problem
[18:12] <OvenWerks> I have an old mechanical one, but most now have logic in them.
[18:13] <OvenWerks> Wow, some of the new ones include audio too.
[18:14] <NoklaM> yea was just looking at one with that feature
[18:14] <OvenWerks> Anyway they start at about $12 and go up.
[18:15] <NoklaM> I'm looking at amazon now
[18:15] <NoklaM> some nice belkin ones but 31GBP
[18:15] <NoklaM> i think I'll pay that for the switch on desk alone
[18:16]  * OvenWerks is realizing he hasn't used a kvm since the switch from ps/2 to USB for mouse/kbd.
[18:17] <OvenWerks> I actually picked my new MB to allow the continued use of ps/2 mouse/kbd to keep that junk off my USB lines :)
[18:18] <OvenWerks> Also my keyboard is old enough to have a switch on the bottom for A or X. (late 80s)
[18:19] <OvenWerks> It needs an adapter to even work with ps/2
[18:19] <NoklaM> oh wow
[18:19] <OvenWerks> It has a nice feel though... real switches.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> It was a "cheap" $60 KB at the time.
[18:20] <NoklaM> I got a Logitech keyboard with a LCD that's programmable, it conflicts with my motherboard and i can't boot with it hooked up
[18:20] <NoklaM> Mobo so picky on hardware i plug in
[18:21] <NoklaM> You get a mechanical "beast" for that price noe o.O
[18:21] <NoklaM> now*
[18:21] <OvenWerks> Ya, I will probably get another when this gives up.
[18:21] <NoklaM> I might never xD it's pre 1990 technology, it's made to last not to brake :P
[18:22] <NoklaM> s/I/It
[18:22] <OvenWerks> My space bar is going funny. Maybe I just need to take it apart and reassemble it.
[18:23] <NoklaM> Probably just dirt stuck there
[18:25] <NoklaM> ok ordering a kvm has to wait(30£ minimum order for Ireland)
[18:30] <OvenWerks> What part of Ireland?
[18:30] <NoklaM> South :P
[18:30] <NoklaM> Connacht
[18:31] <OvenWerks> My family name is from Kilkenny and my Mother is from Dunegal
[18:31] <OvenWerks> Not sure of spelling...
[18:31] <OvenWerks> But I was born in Canada
[18:31] <NoklaM> Donegal is miles away, but i used to have girlfriend in Carlow which is just 10km of Kilkenny and used to go there a lot
[18:31] <NoklaM> (because they brew beer there)
[18:31] <OvenWerks> I have never been
[18:32] <NoklaM> Beautiful city
[18:32] <NoklaM> especially the city center
[18:32] <OvenWerks> I like Irish beer... dark in general
[18:32] <NoklaM> My favourite Smithick's is brewed there
[18:32] <NoklaM> w*
[18:32] <NoklaM> i eat letter like food
[18:33]  * OvenWerks likes some taste along with the achohol
[18:33] <NoklaM> s
[18:33] <NoklaM> But defo if you have time visit kilkenny 
[18:33] <NoklaM> worth it
[18:34] <OvenWerks> Time is not the problem so much as cost.
[18:34] <NoklaM> Hehe was about to say that the cost could be big
[18:34] <NoklaM> A pint is nearly 5euro in a pub these days
[18:34] <OvenWerks> My wife wants me to visit manilla first
[18:34] <NoklaM> Philipines?
[18:35] <OvenWerks> Ya
[18:36] <NoklaM> I have a friend who's a doctor, phatologist, he's working there for WHO
[18:36] <OvenWerks> Some parts are ok, but where my sister in law lives they seem to be afraid to go out the door almost.
[18:37] <NoklaM> Wow, seem rough
[18:37] <NoklaM> seems*
[18:38] <NoklaM> Got to make a offtopic channel
[18:38] <NoklaM> so much to talk to not related to Ubuntu STudio xD
[18:38] <OvenWerks> Hardware is
[18:38] <NoklaM> true
[18:39] <NoklaM> Have to find a way to do this without a KVM
[18:40] <NoklaM> for untill Wednesday
[18:41] <OvenWerks> I have also installed ISOs on a USB drive, even a second thumb drive.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> 16Gb thumb drive works ok.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> (slow though)
[18:46] <NoklaM> Unless I just switch the OS to the testing iso
[18:47] <NoklaM> and not mess with ATI drivers this time
[18:47] <OvenWerks> I don't, I tend to loose too much.
[18:47] <NoklaM> Got a backup NAS now so should be ok
[18:48] <OvenWerks> Can you run off of it?
[18:48] <NoklaM> Nope it has a proprietery system on it
[18:48] <OvenWerks> You could have the /boot/ on a USB stick
[18:48] <flocculant> NoklaM: for the record I've been using the dev release since the day after 15.10 was released and it's not any less stable than 15.10 imo (xubuntu) just have a small other install just in case
[18:49] <NoklaM> ah cool flocculant, i might just switch 
[18:49] <OvenWerks> flocculant: I agree, I have done some dev work in 1604 and everything has worked well
[18:49] <flocculant> obviously it could all go horribly wrong tomorrow - but I suspect not
[18:49] <NoklaM> I had it before you see and messed with ATI drivers, that didn't go well, actually I had to format and reinstall the only system i had on hand
[18:49] <OvenWerks> flocculant: if you switch to vterm 1 do you see a bunch of error messages in xubuntu?
[18:50] <flocculant> NoklaM: just don't run with -proposed enabled 
[18:50] <OvenWerks>  :)
[18:51] <NoklaM> I kinda backup a clean 15.10 image incase i have to dd a new usb
[18:51] <flocculant> OvenWerks: having trouble logging into vt ... 
[18:51] <OvenWerks> ctl/alt/F1 shouldn't have to even log in.
[18:52] <OvenWerks> With my 1604 install I have 8 to 10 lines of errors.
[18:52] <OvenWerks> (all the same)
[18:52] <flocculant> OvenWerks: no errors
[18:52] <flocculant> so this is bizarre
[18:52] <flocculant> password has numbers in it - keypad numbers not being accepted in vt
[18:52] <OvenWerks> Could be HW, it is DRM related.
[18:53] <OvenWerks> shouldn't be
[18:53] <OvenWerks> keypad numbers _are_ different
[18:53] <flocculant> mmm
[18:53] <flocculant> so had to numlock off and on then they work
[18:54] <flocculant> OvenWerks: anyway ... no errors there at all 
[18:54] <NoklaM> shouldn't that be the oposite? Numlock turning on numbers?
[18:55] <flocculant> OvenWerks: see some on .xsession-errors though
[18:56] <flocculant> http://pastebin.com/KRx2rsbb
[18:56] <flocculant> OvenWerks: I think I saw you talking about similar
[18:58] <OvenWerks> flocculant: Ya.
[18:58] <flocculant> pretty much seen those in xsession errors for ages - back in 15.10 at least
[18:58] <OvenWerks> Those are different. They are to do with asseccability I think we are missing a package
[18:58] <flocculant> looking back you were talking about br1tty 
[18:59] <OvenWerks> Ya
[19:05] <flocculant> maybe krita ~*shrug* 
[19:06] <OvenWerks> I can't rememebr if we install krita or it gets pulled in by something else
[19:06] <OvenWerks> But we have krita in 1404 and I don't have those messages.
[19:07] <flocculant> no idea - I have enough trouble trying to understand xubuntu :p
[19:07] <flocculant> right 
[19:07] <OvenWerks> Someone was adding accessable stuff 1504 or 1510, it maybe that is missing something.
[19:10] <flocculant> install kaccessible ... After this operation, 293 MB of additional disk space will be used 
[19:10] <flocculant> got to love using kde outside kde :p
[19:13] <NoklaM> I'm back, now the menu changed, it's the standard XFCE thing, can't find the resolution settings :(
[19:16] <NoklaM> found it, wasn't to obvious, that icon either needs to be a sub menu or literally 2x the size
[19:22] <OvenWerks> It isn't obvious no.
[19:23] <NoklaM> I was looking in, System menu
[19:23] <OvenWerks> I have to use it every time because mirrored displays are not much use.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> settings
[19:24] <OvenWerks> The way xubuntu has done the settings menu, it pulls in anything with category setting and system.
[19:24] <OvenWerks>  Some I agree with and some not.
[19:25] <NoklaM> The mnu it self is fine i guess, but the icon, even at 1368xWhatever  i missed it completely
[19:26] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: I prefer the standard menu myself, but if we want to do less work we just use what xubuntu has.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> It is real easy to switch anyway.
[19:28] <NoklaM> Is it possible to merge the Icon functionality in to the System section of the menu?
[19:28] <NoklaM> Or do i have to go to xfce guys to fix it?
[19:28] <OvenWerks> Like KDE? Not really unless someone wants to write a plugin.
[19:29] <NoklaM> That is gonna spark a lot of google searches like "Where are setting in Ubuntu Studio"
[19:30]  * OvenWerks installs a whiskermenu to look at :)
[19:31] <OvenWerks> We could add a setting menu item to system submenu.
[19:32] <NoklaM> \o/
[19:33] <OvenWerks> I think that xubuntu has a settings menu item, but we decided to just have a settings icon, which works fine in the old menu.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> I could also add settings to favourites.
[19:34] <NoklaM> That would be awesome, since 1st thing people do after install is adjust their settings like resolution 
[19:35] <OvenWerks> Ya, I am trying to think what would be the least "disturbing" to the xubuntu base.
[19:39] <NoklaM> so whit this vote for project lead, is it always been like that? People are picked every 2 years?
[19:40] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: I am not sure. I started with 1204 ish just doing testing. I think Scott was there longer than two years.
[19:42] <OvenWerks> I think zequence has been modeling things after xubuntu which seems to work really well. I think there has not really been much organization in place and that putting that there will help ghive Studio new life... which it really needs.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> I think we need someone who has a good overall vision of what will atract new people to use and contribute to Studio.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> More of an artist than a coder in my opinion.
[19:45] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: I have been seeing all the things I am missing for the job as we have discussed DE use, backdrop etc. I am somewhat stuck back in fvwm land where so long as it is easy to use I don't care what it looks like.
[19:45] <OvenWerks> I don't know that I am even able to see what looks good or what is easy for todays people to use.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> So someone who is willing to learn the tools for uploading etc. even they don't know how to code, but who has a good vision of what will make Studio look "fantastic"... That is what we need.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> (maybe that should be "Fantastic!")
[20:03] <NoklaM> Is there like statistic on how many people actually use Studio?
[20:06] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: I do not know.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> We may have somewhere the possibility to know DL numbers, but those would not say much.
[20:07] <NoklaM> Ah I see
[20:08] <NoklaM> was just wondering
[20:08] <OvenWerks> There are a lot of people who try to run audio applications on Ubuntu vanilla... and fail :) I see them here as well as #ardour
[20:11] <NoklaM> It's nice to have all th programs at hand, I have no idea about audio but that will probably change once i start messing with the DAW's and learning to sing
[20:12] <NoklaM> Got to use that AKG michrophone + mixer
[20:19] <OvenWerks> mixers ae nice to have. Then latency becomes a non-issue
[20:20] <OvenWerks> Which akg?
[20:22] <NoklaM> Perception Live p3
[20:22] <NoklaM> or p3 could be the connectors name
[20:23]  * OvenWerks has an AT2020, peavey 520TN (2), a realistic cheap sure knock off, a PZM and a hand built something :)
[20:24] <OvenWerks> p3 is a dynamic then. Should be easy to deal with.
[20:24] <NoklaM> I seen the AT2020, I had a plan to but it before when contemplated streaming games
[20:25] <NoklaM> but /buy
[20:26] <OvenWerks> The at2020 is sort of the bottom of worth buying condensers
[20:26] <OvenWerks> It is better than most other cheap condensers.
[20:26] <OvenWerks>  I would really like to get a ribbon mic though.
[20:27] <NoklaM> The oldschool radio ones?
[20:28] <OvenWerks> I heard a sax recorded with a cheap $100 MXR ribbon that made it sound like the sax was in the same room.
[20:29] <OvenWerks> http://www.amazon.com/MXL-R144-Ribbon-Microphone-Shockmount/dp/B002LASBRG
[20:30] <NoklaM> Something similar i picked in the Music shop, but the guy who operates it said i want the AKG
[20:30] <NoklaM> I didn't argue
[20:30] <NoklaM> but if i see him in town I'll tell him few words for the stand he sold me
[20:31] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: The only hint for the AKG (really recording with almost any mic) is use more distance than live and do not hand hold.
[20:32] <NoklaM> That's sound advice, maybe I'll sound better if i won't do the oposite
[20:32] <NoklaM> but i doubt my vocal range is squick or squick
[20:34]  * OvenWerks is cooking rice in a cup in the Uwave
[20:35] <OvenWerks> I don't think it is vocal range that matters. It is getting an open natural sound.
[20:36] <OvenWerks> listen to Balckmore's Night (or is it Knight?). The lady has not much range, but it sounds fine anyway.
[20:36] <NoklaM> night i sright
[20:37] <OvenWerks> I prefer that to ladies with tons of range that spend more time showing off than singing.
[20:37] <NoklaM> She's good, and got a nice natural smile
[20:40] <OvenWerks> put tape over the switch in the on position (of your mic)  :)
[20:41] <OvenWerks> As a sound man I never buy mics with switches.
[20:41] <NoklaM> the microphone feels nice and solid, but the switch is like made out of the cheapest plastic
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Spending time trouble shooting a mic just to find out it has been turned off is frustrating
[20:43] <OvenWerks> (when the stage is 50 feet away)
[20:43] <flocculant> :D
[20:49] <OvenWerks> Doing the best take of the day after switching off is not much fun either.
[20:52] <OvenWerks> I got my Yf one of these: https://www.long-mcquade.com/61269/Pro_Audio_Recording/Microphones/Sennheiser/epack_e_835_S_w_20_Mic_Cable_and_Boom_Stand.htm
[20:52] <OvenWerks> for recording/performance.
[20:53] <NoklaM> hmm odd it's not working
[20:54] <OvenWerks> ?
[20:55] <NoklaM> the microphone
[20:55] <NoklaM> And also my system just crashed
[20:55] <NoklaM> got to check the logs
[21:00] <NoklaM> ./src/common/menucmn.cpp(310): assert "wxIsStockID(GetId())" failed in SetItemLabel(): A non-stock menu item with an empty label?
[21:00] <NoklaM> That's what i get when trying to run Audacity
[21:01] <OvenWerks> what do you get if you just type audacity in a terminal?
[21:01] <NoklaM> same
[21:02] <flocculant> bug 1487811
[21:02] <OvenWerks> audacity problem
[21:02] <OvenWerks> :)
[21:02] <NoklaM> d'oh
[21:02] <OvenWerks> I use MHWaveEdit
[21:02] <flocculant> bug appears to give a ppa with a working version
[21:03] <OvenWerks> (Cause it works with ajck)
[21:03] <OvenWerks> *jack
[21:05] <NoklaM> hmm I think i should invest in studio speakers
[21:06] <NoklaM> why is Alsa saying my audio channel is not valid
[21:06] <NoklaM> argh
[21:08] <NoklaM> I swear i listened to a Youtube vid a second ago and sound was fine
[21:10] <NoklaM> Now Ardour is acting up
[21:13] <NoklaM> and Jackd
[21:13] <NoklaM> just sent a crash report to canonical
[21:18] <NoklaM> how do i report a bug again?
[21:18] <NoklaM> forgot sorry
[21:21] <OvenWerks> ubuntu-bug packagename
[21:22] <NoklaM> ah thanks
[21:27] <NoklaM> I don't get it, when I set the audio device in Ardour4 to my audio card to HDA ATI SB and use Alsa in Audio System it says no device present, 2sec before that i used alsamixer and everything is in there alright
[21:27] <NoklaM> so I'm not sure Ardour or Alsa
[21:27] <NoklaM> Audio device not valid
[21:28] <zequence> NoklaM: Could be you are still running jack
[21:29] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: So you are using the alsa back end for Ardour then?
[21:29] <NoklaM> Just killed jack, still persists
[21:29] <NoklaM> Yes OvenWerks 
[21:29] <OvenWerks> both jackd and jackdbus?
[21:29] <OvenWerks> In that case, while Ardour is running nothing else will be able to see the audio device.
[21:30] <OvenWerks> Ardour will not grab a pulse port, but the HW port. Then pulse can't see it.
[21:30] <zequence> ps -eo comm | grep jack
[21:30] <NoklaM> Nope jackdbus is not even running
[21:31] <NoklaM> zequence: empty
[21:31] <zequence> Usually I think using alsa will override pulseaudio
[21:32] <zequence> But, you could try making sure pulseaudio is not using that card
[21:32] <zequence> Or, use jack
[21:32] <zequence> alsa is not wrong, but it is not what most people use directly these days
[21:32] <zequence> Both jack and pulseaudio are using it as a backend different ways
[21:33] <zequence> Also, jack and pulseaudio are friends in some respect
[21:33] <OvenWerks> jackd is still the recomended way to run ardour. There tend to be less probelms.
[21:34] <OvenWerks> The problems are not ardour's backend, but the other things like blocked ports tha people are no longer used to.
[21:36] <zequence> flocculant: But, you did have the problem with GTK3 shadows, right?
[21:36] <zequence> Not saying that makes the system prone to crashes, just that it's not production ready, and that could be regarded as not stable
[21:37] <flocculant> zequence: yea ofc - not saying it's perfect :)
[21:37] <flocculant> stable to me means it works all day :D
[21:37] <zequence> Yeah, that it usually does
[21:38] <NoklaM> Nope not working with jack either
[21:38] <zequence> NoklaM: Try killing pulseaudio as well
[21:39] <zequence> Or, if you want to do it the Windows way, which is ok in my book, reboot
[21:39] <NoklaM> rebooting
[21:45] <NoklaM> jackd crashed with SIGABRT in _gnu_cxx::_versbose_terminate_handler()
[21:45] <NoklaM> ^had to type that manualy
[21:46] <zequence> I haven't tried jack on the last release, so I have no idea of the state of it
[21:46] <OvenWerks> it was working for me.
[21:46] <zequence> Wait, of course I have
[21:46] <NoklaM> I sent that to canonical
[21:46] <zequence> I'm using it in my studio come to think of it. I even upgraded to it, to see how that worked.
[21:47] <zequence> NoklaM: Do you have other audio devices?
[21:47] <NoklaM> 2x USB mic and internal audio card
[21:47] <OvenWerks> I had jack running with two sets zita bridges and three pa-jack bridges.
[21:48] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: you will have to use zita-a2j for both mics
[21:48] <NoklaM> 1 runnig ould be fine :P
[21:48] <OvenWerks> run jack on the the internal device.
[21:48] <zequence> Friday evening here, so I'm not going to be around all the time
[21:49] <zequence> Or, however one would put it
[21:49] <OvenWerks> zita-a2j -j Mic-in -d hw:<what is the HW name?> -r 4800 -p 256 -n 2
[21:49] <zequence> Anyway, I'd like to help figuring out this problem. But, I'll leave it to you guys for now :)
[21:50] <flocculant> night zequence 
[21:50] <OvenWerks> o/
[21:50] <zequence> night all
[21:50] <NoklaM> o/
[21:51] <NoklaM> http://pastebin.com/Gs6dv6wn  ->> error i get inside ardour
[22:01] <OvenWerks> Ya, it looks jackish all right. There is a wonderful script I am trying to remember where you can DL it from... 
[22:07] <OvenWerks> cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[22:08] <NoklaM> what does it do?
[22:08] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: the output of that will give you some ideas about what apps are using what what alsa ports
[22:08] <OvenWerks> It does not change the system
[22:08] <zequence> That command tells you to change dir to /tmp, download the file in the url, and the run it
[22:08] <zequence> It's a bash script
[22:08] <OvenWerks> Right
[22:09] <OvenWerks> It tells you all of you sound devices and who is using them when it is run.
[22:09] <NoklaM> ah thanks both :)
[22:09] <OvenWerks> It tells you how jack is set up to some extent to
[22:09] <zequence> && means the logical AND
[22:10] <zequence> wget is a tool to download things. bash is what you see when you open a terminal
[22:10] <zequence> Usually, the first part of a bash command is some sort of cli application
[22:10] <zequence> But, not always
[22:10] <NoklaM> Eh it says all my channels are closed
[22:10] <OvenWerks> I keep the adevices.sh in my home directory so it is handy and I don't have to keep downloading it
[22:11] <OvenWerks> good
[22:11] <zequence> What follows the bash application is a list of arguments.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> None are being used.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> how do you set up jack or ardour?
[22:12] <OvenWerks> You will have to use the Jack back end on ardour to be able to use the mic _and_ the internal output
[22:12] <zequence> when I say bash command, I mean what command you write in your terminal. You can run other text based shells, but bash is the default
[22:12] <NoklaM> OvenWerks: so i have to run jack first, from the menu?
[22:12] <zequence> You mean qjackctl?
[22:13] <OvenWerks> use qjackctl
[22:13] <OvenWerks> zequence: this is why I want autojack...
[22:13] <zequence> OvenWerks: If it works, and doesn't crash, or is able to recover from that
[22:13] <zequence> I would like that too
[22:14] <OvenWerks> Ya, so far it works. It is run by default on two computers in daily use here
[22:14] <zequence> Just the other day, it all went havoc when I exported a file in ardour from a 88.2kHz to 44.1kHz, while having the pa bridge one
[22:14] <OvenWerks> One with three internal PCI devices and one with internal plus USB
[22:15] <zequence> I had to reboot. Tried resetting everything.
[22:15] <OvenWerks> Yes, I want to have a jack client that looks for freerun mode and unloads the pa-jack bridges.
[22:16] <OvenWerks> zita-ajbridge already handles freerun mode.
[22:16] <zequence> why not make the pa-bridge smarter?
[22:17] <OvenWerks> I don't know if I am that smart(er) yet :P
[22:18] <OvenWerks> NoklaM: I would suggest setting qjackctl to 48000 not 44100. Most IFs are built for 48000 (analog side) and some will not work at all at 44100.
[22:19] <OvenWerks> (there are also a few that will only work at 44100)
[22:21] <NoklaM> ardour works :D
[22:24] <NoklaM> That's enough audio troubleshooting for one day o.O thanks guys :)
[22:34] <OvenWerks> zequence: I will take a look at the jacksink/source code in PA when I get that far. I am still a newby coder in many ways.
[23:51] <NoklaM> I'm off, good night
[23:52] <OvenWerks> l8r.