[09:55] <flocculant> morning 
[11:43] <flocculant> !team | meeting in 15 minutes or so
[11:50] <bluesabre> wooooo
[11:52] <flocculant> factoid's out of date 
[11:59] <Unit193> Fixed.
[12:00] <flocculant> Unit193 is so obviously "here" now :p
[12:00] <flocculant> #startmeeting
[12:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Dec  4 12:00:33 2015 UTC.  The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[12:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[12:00] <flocculant> who's here then :)
[12:01] <bluesabre> o/
[12:02] <flocculant> #topic Open action items
[12:02] <flocculant> two of these
[12:02] <flocculant> ochosi's got done
[12:03] <flocculant> knome's not - I guess just keep that going - if he want's to get someone else to do it :)
[12:03] <flocculant> #ACTION: knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest #
[12:03] <flocculant> #action knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest #
[12:03] <meetingology> ACTION: : knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest #
[12:03] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest #
[12:03] <flocculant> omg
[12:03] <flocculant> #undo
[12:03] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[12:04] <bluesabre> #info: making steady progress on the wallpaper submission/voting tool, will be putting it up on github this weekend for others to pitch in
[12:04] <flocculant> meetingbot needs winding up
[12:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: we going straight to updates then :p
[12:04] <bluesabre> oh
[12:04] <bluesabre> well
[12:04] <bluesabre> thats an open action item
[12:05] <bluesabre> (bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest)
[12:05] <flocculant> oh yes - sorry bluesabre :)
[12:05] <bluesabre> :p
[12:05] <flocculant> headachy here
[12:05] <flocculant> already :p
[12:05] <flocculant> hi micahg_mobile :)
[12:05] <bluesabre> sleepy here
[12:05] <bluesabre> hey micahg_mobile 
[12:06] <micahg_mobile> Hi 
[12:06] <flocculant> #topic Updates and Announcements
[12:06] <flocculant> let's get the announcements done first
[12:06] <flocculant> #info gmusicbrowser removed from seed
[12:07] <flocculant> that's that then
[12:07] <flocculant> any updates from people not on the tracker 
[12:07] <bluesabre> yup
[12:07] <bluesabre> its a slow start for m
[12:07] <bluesabre> e
[12:07] <flocculant> :)
[12:08] <flocculant> #info QA ran IRC testing session on sunday - thanks axkwi-dave 
[12:08] <flocculant> #info QA will do another session between A2 and B1
[12:08] <bluesabre> good job
[12:09] <flocculant> bit more specific on packages 
[12:09] <flocculant> #info VPS from pleia2 logs > jcastro is going to see if he can find us some vendor he has contacts with to donate something to us, we'll see
[12:10] <bluesabre> nice
[12:10] <flocculant> nothing else from me
[12:10] <bluesabre> nothing here
[12:10] <flocculant> micahg_mobile: got anything? 
[12:10] <micahg_mobile> Not at this time
[12:11] <flocculant> okey doke
[12:11] <flocculant> #topic Discussion
[12:11] <flocculant> #sub-topic
[12:11] <flocculant> meh
[12:11] <flocculant> #sub-topic Volunteers for running a 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest? 
[12:11] <flocculant> #subtopic Volunteers for running a 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest? 
[12:12] <flocculant> not much to do here - waiting on both meetingbot and knome 
[12:12] <flocculant> #subtopic Ubuntu Software Center 
[12:12] <flocculant> same type of thing unless anyone knows anything solid
[12:12] <bluesabre> yeah, we might also be using the webapp I am working on for this, which should reduce the workload for submitting, validating, and voting on wps
[12:13] <flocculant> #undo
[12:13] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC
[12:13] <bluesabre> #info we might also be using the webapp I am working on for this, which should reduce the workload for submitting, validating, and voting on wps
[12:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - that'll help I suspect
[12:13] <bluesabre> yes
[12:13] <flocculant> but I guess the stumbling block will be managing to get volunteer(S) 
[12:14] <bluesabre> yes, getting submissions, and then getting folks that want to vote
[12:14] <micahg_mobile> What's the issue with USC?
[12:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: anymore? 
[12:15] <flocculant> micahg_mobile: sorry - got ahead of myself on that :D
[12:15] <micahg_mobile> Ah, ok
[12:15] <bluesabre> ready for usc
[12:15] <flocculant> #subtopic Ubuntu Software Center 
[12:16] <flocculant> micahg_mobile: if Ubuntu aren't going to use it for 16.04 will it get any sort of support? 
[12:16] <flocculant> oh dear
[12:16] <bluesabre> micahg_mobile: ubuntu is switching to gnome-software for 16.04 and beyond
[12:16] <bluesabre> welp
[12:16] <bluesabre> :D
[12:16] <flocculant> he's gone ... 
[12:16] <flocculant> wait for him to get back :p
[12:16] <bluesabre> micahg_mobile: ubuntu is switching to gnome-software for 16.04 and beyond
[12:16] <flocculant> micahg_mobile: if Ubuntu aren't going to use it for 16.04 will it get any sort of support? 
[12:17] <flocculant> and if not - do we use something we know won't get support? 
[12:17] <flocculant> or do we move as well
[12:17] <micahg_mobile> Ah, yeah, we should follow Ubuntu if they're using a GTK package 
[12:18] <bluesabre> that's my general feeling as well
[12:18] <flocculant> right
[12:18] <micahg_mobile> It's not python 3 ready and they're going python 3 only for the ISO (or at least trying to)
[12:18] <flocculant> I don't know if eventually it needs a vote or one of those Tech Lead prerogative things - but no rush as long as we're aware
[12:19] <micahg_mobile> Which reminds me, that might be nice for us too :)
[12:19] <bluesabre> yes
[12:19] <bluesabre> that should help the iso bloat
[12:20] <flocculant> at which point micahg_mobile can sort out the oversize warning :D
[12:20] <micahg_mobile> Though, if our LTS support cycle is still only 3 years, we can wait until the next LTS as 2.7 is supported until 2020
[12:20] <micahg_mobile> Heh, yeah, we'll need to discuss ISO size soon 
[12:21] <flocculant> I can't imagine us making support length longer 
[12:21] <Spass_> hello
[12:21] <flocculant> hi Spass_ 
[12:21] <bluesabre> hello Spass_ 
[12:21] <micahg_mobile> We're 150MB over right now
[12:21] <bluesabre> and that will probably get worse before it gets better
[12:22] <micahg_mobile> Well, USC being swapped out might actually reduce it a little bit
[12:22] <Spass_> is it true that mozilla is droping thunderbird?
[12:22] <flocculant> Spass_: I heard something - but right now we're in the middle of a meeting :)
[12:23] <Spass_> ups, sorry :)
[12:23] <flocculant> I guess atm all we need to is watch for noises that the gnome app is actually available 
[12:23] <knome> flocculant, re: mail for wallpaper contest, i'll push that forward when i have time
[12:24] <flocculant> knome: yep :)
[12:24] <flocculant> anyone want to spend more time on USC? not sure there's much we can do other than be aware - which we are
[12:25] <bluesabre> that's it from me
[12:25] <micahg_mobile> I'm good
[12:25] <flocculant> #subtopic google code-in
[12:26] <flocculant> #info QA added a couple of tasks for people to test iso and packages
[12:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: what I'd really like to do is maybe add something along the lines of what I pinged you with
[12:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, is there a place where we are storing these tasks/ideas?
[12:26] <flocculant> but happy not too if you think it's going to cause more trouble than it's worth :)
[12:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: nope - I've just had them in my head :D
[12:26] <micahg_mobile> Any GTK 3 porting needed?
[12:27] <micahg_mobile> Or python 3
[12:27] <knome> bluesabre, poke jose
[12:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: http://pad.ubuntu.com/GCI
[12:27] <bluesabre> knome: I'd like to get our list in a place then poke jose with ^ pad
[12:27] <flocculant> poking jose won't help here 
[12:28] <knome> aha
[12:28] <knome> anyway, the deadline for the submissions from us is close
[12:28] <flocculant> and we don't need to poke anyone else - I can add them - might need Nick to add someone like bluesabre as a mentor is all :)
[12:28] <flocculant> deadline is 7th
[12:28] <flocculant> but
[12:28] <knome> he's (jose) been assigned to be in touch with the flavors
[12:28] <flocculant> we can add tasks during the time it is live I am told
[12:29] <knome> so i would be in touch with him about potential stuff incoming
[12:29] <flocculant> knome: yes but rather pointless if there's someone in team using the m/l and in the channel :)
[12:30] <flocculant> which is all stuff no-one really knows here - because it's only just come up :)
[12:31] <knome> i just think it would be good/fair to be in touch with him as he's been poking me about this on PM
[12:31] <knome> i just told him to join this channel too, but he's likely sleeping now
[12:31] <flocculant> oh - I'll ping him in the channel about it then :)
[12:31] <bluesabre> :D
[12:31] <knome> in whatever channel, yeah
[12:32] <knome> mostly just to say "we might have X"
[12:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: that ^^ pad then 
[12:32] <knome> so he's informed about it
[12:32] <knome> and able to react to it when need be
[12:32] <knome> and stuff
[12:32] <flocculant> :)
[12:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: so I'll let you think about that :D
[12:33] <bluesabre> flocculant: will do
[12:34] <flocculant> anymore on that? 
[12:34] <flocculant> anyone got anything else to bring up if not :)
[12:35] <knome> i'll try to have some time to look the pad with thought
[12:35] <knome> oh, it's not too much...
[12:35] <knome> :P
[12:35] <bluesabre> flocculant: nothing more from me
[12:35] <knome> i'll try to figure out if we want something else then
[12:35] <bluesabre> micahg_mobile must be on a train
[12:35] <flocculant> knome: yea - it's sparse :p
[12:35] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[12:36] <flocculant> knome: what we there thinking about was getting someone to confirm some new bugs and upstream them
[12:36] <knome> yeah
[12:36] <flocculant> just wondering about what package 
[12:36] <micahg> no, just a crashy chat client
[12:36] <flocculant> micahg: :)
[12:36] <knome> what about screen locking problems and that stuff specifically?
[12:36] <knome> bluesabre?
[12:37] <bluesabre> knome: yes that could be beneficial
[12:37] <flocculant> knome: sounds useful to me
[12:37] <bluesabre> and more hardware variety could mean more potential solutions
[12:37] <knome> yes
[12:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea
[12:37] <bluesabre> maybe we can get cavalier as a mentor on for that as well
[12:37] <knome> i would probably list that as one of the items for us
[12:37] <knome> but there is no clear goal for that
[12:37] <bluesabre> ochosi may be interested with the lines around here
[12:37] <knome> well expect "make sure it works"
[12:38] <knome> bluesabre, in 16.04, when the login screen appears, it blinks black
[12:38] <knome> is that known?
[12:38] <flocculant> knome: I've seen mention elsewhere - but not seen it myself
[12:38] <knome> ok - i have it on nvidia and integrated intel...
[12:39] <knome> i can help debug it $later
[12:39] <knome> but smoothening things like that would be ++
[12:39] <bluesabre> knome: alrighty, did not know that was back
[12:39] <knome> apparently it is
[12:39] <knome> i didn't have it on 15.10
[12:39] <knome> wait
[12:39] <bluesabre> btw, cooking and getting ready for work, in case I drop off here and there
[12:39] <knome> i have it on 15.10
[12:39] <knome> i didn't have it on 15.04
[12:39] <flocculant> knome: I'll see if I can dig it out - but, not seen it mentioned on Xubuntu 
[12:39] <knome> silly..
[12:40] <knome> flocculant, i saw one person ask about it on #xubuntu 
[12:40] <flocculant> ok 
[12:40] <knome> apparently it doesn't block keyboard input
[12:40] <knome> i can't remember if he said that there was some problems with kb layouts or not
[12:40] <knome> eg. the right kb layout was only initiated after the blink
[12:40] <knome> but yeah, i'll get back to this later
[12:41] <flocculant> ok - so anything else? 
[12:41] <knome> i don't think so at this point
[12:41] <knome> well maybe except
[12:41] <flocculant> micahg bluesabre ? 
[12:42] <flocculant> :)
[12:42] <knome> even if i'm going to be busy, i intend to be more or less active as previously
[12:42] <bluesabre> nothing more atm
[12:42] <knome> so feel free to leave me PM's, pings or emails and i'll likely respond to them in a few days at most
[12:42] <flocculant> knome: :)
[12:42] <micahg> I can try to have a look at ubuntu core again
[12:43] <micahg> s/ubuntu/xubuntu/
[12:43] <knome> ok, bbl -<
[12:43] <flocculant> micahg: oh that would be useful - people have pinged slangasek about it since we started this cycle
[12:43] <bluesabre> micahg: I took a look at those the other day, they still look good and merge conflicts are mainly in debian changelog
[12:43] <flocculant> micahg: can I action that? 
[12:44] <bluesabre> or with bzr just failing to merge
[12:44] <bluesabre> but feel free to give those a good push :D
[12:44] <micahg> resolving the conflicts would be good, but ideally, if all the comments are addressed, I'd like to at least get an ACK from the CD team, I can do relevant uploads
[12:45] <bluesabre> right
[12:45] <flocculant> #action micahg to look at the xubuntu core issue
[12:45] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to look at the xubuntu core issue
[12:45] <bluesabre> its a moving target, with constant changes and uploads, so it'd be best to resolve right before merging/uploading
[12:46] <micahg> makes sense
[12:46] <flocculant> obviously if we're still trying to do this then I'd prefer it done as soon as practical so we can get other eyes on it via testing
[12:48] <flocculant> anymore peeps? 
[12:48] <bluesabre> nope
[12:49] <flocculant> #topic Schedule next meeting
[12:49] <flocculant> not sure how I got shoved up the list last time - so starting again from the top :p
[12:49] <flocculant> #action Unit193 to schedule the next meeting
[12:49] <meetingology> ACTION: Unit193 to schedule the next meeting
[12:49] <flocculant> #endmeeting
[12:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Dec  4 12:49:54 2015 UTC.  
[12:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-12-04-12.00.moin.txt
[12:50] <flocculant> thanks bluesabre micahg knome :)
[12:50] <micahg> oh, I was going to say we should announce the new CC in case people missed it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-November/001162.html
[12:50] <flocculant> oh 
[12:53] <micahg> thanks flocculant 
[12:53] <flocculant> oh meh
[12:53] <flocculant> didn't subtopic the cd discussion ... 
[12:53] <flocculant> oh well - can't go back - logs are done now
[12:54] <flocculant> micahg: glad to be able to shift the time so you could be here :)
[12:56] <flocculant> off for a while now - have a good day everyone :)
[18:23] <knome> posted http://open.knome.fi/2015/12/04/clock-applets-xfce-panel-xubuntu-1510/
[19:48] <pleia2> Orage4ever
[19:50] <pleia2> G+ and fb shared too
[20:24] <flocculant> evening pleia2 
[21:22] <knome> pleia2, cheers :)