| keithzg | Probably the same as https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355253, guess I can check when the next alarm goes off in 5 minutes, heh. | 00:01 |
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| ubottu | KDE bug 355253 in KAlarm resource "kalarm causes akonadi resource crash" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 00:01 |
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| keithzg | Hmm how do you set the start-day of the month in Plasma 5.4? | 01:18 |
| keithzg | sorry, of the week I mean | 01:18 |
| keithzg | Ouch, guess it isn't necessarily possible, that sucks. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 | 01:33 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 340982 in kcm_formats "I cannot set my short date to YYYY-MM-DD, nor my time to HH:MM" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 01:33 |
| keithzg | QLocale seems like a *huge* regression from the functionality that KLocale provided. | 01:36 |
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| frogpond | currently installing Kubuntu 15.10 on lenovo ideacentre | 03:48 |
| LogicalDash | I'm trying to stop the screen from going to sleep when I don't move the mouse, what setting is that? | 06:19 |
| LogicalDash | ok, never mind, Energy Saving | 06:20 |
| ngaio | how do I unmount an MTP device that is mounted in Dolphin (on 15.10)? | 08:13 |
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| keithzg | ngaio: MTP devices aren't mounted per se, it's just a protocol for talking; you can unplug them without fear. | 08:58 |
| ngaio | keithzg, dolphin blocks gphoto2's access to the device | 08:59 |
| ngaio | another way of asking my question is to ask "how do I tell dolphin to relinquish the MTP device?" | 08:59 |
| keithzg | ngaio: That's strange, there shouldn't be any sort of locking like that going on. That should only happen if the device thinks an operation is taking place but it isn't being completed. | 09:01 |
| ngaio | keithzg, I'm pretty certain it's using gphoto2 under the hood to display the device contents of this particular MTP device (nexus 4). I know from using libgphoto2 in my own code that libgphoto2 needs to an explicit free call, or alternatively it times out after some minutes | 09:03 |
| ngaio | until then, the device is "mounted" i.e. locked by the process | 09:03 |
| keithzg | ngaio: I'd be pretty surprised if it was using gphoto2, since libgphoto2-6 isn't a dependency of dolphin. Digikam uses it, for instance, but Dolphin just uses the MTP KIO slave. | 09:08 |
| ngaio | keithzg, interesting | 09:09 |
| ngaio | in any case, something is blocking libgphoto2's access to the device, therefore the need to "unmount" it | 09:09 |
| ngaio | perhaps I should send a message to the kfm-devel mailing list about this | 09:13 |
| keithzg | ngaio: I'd almost suggest first trying plugging the device in and using gphotos2 without any KDE stuff running, see if that's actually the problem. | 09:13 |
| ngaio | I know it's the problem :-) | 09:13 |
| ngaio | it's easy to reproduct | 09:13 |
| ngaio | reproduce* | 09:13 |
| keithzg | You've tried running in a session without? | 09:13 |
| ngaio | I've been testing it under Unity, XFCE, & KDE plasma 5 / KF5 | 09:14 |
| ngaio | with the GVFS type environments (Unity, Gnome, XFCE etc.) it's easy. you just request gvfs to "unmount" it and the libgphoto2 can access it | 09:15 |
| ngaio | but I am unable to find the equivalent function in KDE plasma 5 / KF5 | 09:15 |
| keithzg | So on the same machine in XFCE it works? Better yet, on the same machine without any of the gnome infrastructure running by default either (ex. in an openbox session) it works? | 09:16 |
| ngaio | 'solid-hardware unmount udi' doesn't work either | 09:16 |
| ngaio | yes it works, because my code instructs the desktop environment to "unmount" the device first, if it is "mounted" | 09:17 |
| ngaio | my code uses libgphoto2 directly to access the device, so it bypasses Gnome etc. I just want Gnome and KDE and the rest get out of the way to allow libgphoto2 to do it's thing | 09:18 |
| ngaio | a user would come across the same issue when using gphoto2 from the command line | 09:19 |
| keithzg | *shrug* I'm just wondering if you've verified that it's actually KF5 specifically that's getting in your way by testing the same exact machine but outside of either a GNOME(-derivative) or KDE session. | 09:19 |
| ngaio | keithzg, why so? if you have an android device > 4.0 you can try it yourself. Just run gphoto2 --list-folders from the command line and see it's error message, before and after displaying the device contents in dolphin | 09:22 |
| keithzg | ngaio: Heh well gphoto2 doesn't work for me whether or not I've accessed the device via Dolphin, I just get "*** Error (-1: 'Unspecified error') ***" | 09:25 |
| keithzg | I'm still on 14.04 on the system in front of me. | 09:27 |
| ngaio | keithzg, for example I'm in Unity now. I run dolphin, browse the device, and gphoto2 gives *** Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device') *** | 09:27 |
| ngaio | I close dolphin, and gphoto2 works as expected | 09:27 |
| ngaio | I can reproduce it the same way if I'm in plasma 5 too, it makes no difference | 09:28 |
| keithzg | ngaio: So wait, your problem goes away as soon as you close Dolphin in Plasma 5 too? | 09:29 |
| ngaio | btw you have to unlock the device first | 09:29 |
| ngaio | or else it can't scan it | 09:29 |
| keithzg | Oh it's unlocked. | 09:29 |
| keithzg | I can click then on it in Dolphin and browse just fine. | 09:30 |
| ngaio | keithzg, no that's a difference. Under unity, it relinquishes it immediately | 09:30 |
| ngaio | under plasma you need to wait some time for it to time out | 09:30 |
| keithzg | ngaio: Hmm, interesting. | 09:30 |
| ngaio | quite some minutes as I recall | 09:30 |
| keithzg | ngaio: Does a process linger, then? On Kubuntu 14.04, for instance, if I have a Dolphin window open and I've opened up my Nexus 5X to browse it, I can see a process for the MTP KIO slave. | 09:31 |
| keithzg | It vanishes once I close that Dolphin instance. | 09:31 |
| ngaio | let me login into plasma and see | 09:31 |
| ngaio | brb | 09:31 |
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| ngaio | keithzg, so it turns out that I was partly wrong about dolphin. If you close it completely when it's running within plasma 5, it does relinquish control of the MTP android device | 09:38 |
| ngaio | which is good | 09:39 |
| ngaio | however if you browse somewhere else other than the MTP device, e.g. home folder, it still keeps control of the device | 09:39 |
| keithzg | ngaio: I bet if you look you'll see that an mtp kio process is still running. | 09:43 |
| ngaio | yes just checked that | 09:45 |
| ngaio | it is | 09:45 |
| ngaio | does KDE provide a way taking a request that it close that slave process? | 09:46 |
| keithzg | ngaio: I'd guess that'd be doable via dbus, but I'll admit that's just a guess. | 09:49 |
| * keithzg scurries off home for the night | 09:56 | |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 10:41 |
| realmkeeper | good evening :) | 10:42 |
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| realmkeeper | Is, or has, anyone running kubuntu on the following... | 10:44 |
| realmkeeper | http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd?oc=y51of94au&model_id=xps-13-9350-laptop | 10:44 |
| realmkeeper | ? | 10:44 |
| lordievader | That is a rather specific question... | 10:57 |
| realmkeeper | lordievader: you mean me? Yes, I'm interested as to whether Kubuntu would install without problem on that laptop | 11:00 |
| realmkeeper | lordievader: But, I would consider any other, too... Kaos is interesting | 11:00 |
| lordievader | realmkeeper: Yes, specific questions like that rarely get an answer. Anyhow linlap doesn't list it yet. http://www.linlap.com/dell That says nothing however. | 11:02 |
| realmkeeper | Okay. Thanks lordievader | 11:02 |
| realmkeeper | lordievader: But the way, in KDE I usually make the top right corner a hotspot to show all desktops. In the past, in the "Buttons" custom window I would put a spacer or two between the corner and close button, to that I wouldn't accidentally activate the hot corner when aiming for the close button... | 11:07 |
| realmkeeper | but, in the new KDE, the "spacer" is missing/gone. Where would I put feedback for that? | 11:07 |
| lordievader | Most likely on bugs.kde.org | 11:07 |
| realmkeeper | Technically not a bug, but okay. Thanks. | 11:08 |
| lordievader | That or kde's brainstorm thing. | 11:11 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:21 |
| Draco_ | Anyone around for a quick question? .... | 13:12 |
| BluesKaj | Draco_, yes | 13:13 |
| Draco_ | I have a Toshiba Satellite and I am trying to update to Werewolf ... but I can't get my computer to boot from the USB ... I have a feeling it is going to be an OEM issue, but I'd rather ask to be sure about it | 13:14 |
| Draco_ | I set the bios to boot from the USB first ... then CD/DWD then HDD ... but it skips the USB in teh boot sequence | 13:14 |
| BluesKaj | how did you create the OS iso ? | 13:15 |
| Draco_ | I'm currently on Kubuntu 14.04 ... | 13:15 |
| Draco_ | I downloaded it from the Kubuntu torrent site .. everything is good ... go through the startup disk creator without issue ... but it just won't bot from USB | 13:15 |
| Draco_ | I can get around it when I have time to go grab a blank DVD ... but I was hoiping to have it done before I leave work this morning | 13:16 |
| BluesKaj | I recommend you use dd to copy the iso to the usb , it's more reliable than 'creator' and it will be bootable | 13:17 |
| Draco_ | dd? Can I get that through Muon? | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj | dd is a terminal command | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | !dd | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | !info dd | 13:18 |
| ubottu | Package dd does not exist in wily | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | strange the bot has no info | 13:19 |
| Draco_ | no worries ... I just got a call .. be back in a few | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | Draco_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-a-windows-iso-to-a-usb-device | 13:21 |
| BluesKaj | ignore that post above | 13:22 |
| BluesKaj | Draco_, http://superuser.com/questions/351814/how-to-copy-an-iso-image-onto-usb-with-dd | 13:24 |
| rohan | HELP | 13:45 |
| rohan | i have installed kubuntu recently but by ethernet do not connect automatically | 13:47 |
| rohan | what should i do? | 13:47 |
| lordievader | Draco_: Or try Unetbootin. | 13:53 |
| BluesKaj | unetbootin is almost as bad as creator IME | 13:54 |
| lordievader | It worked for me. | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | dd is still easier and more reliable | 13:56 |
| Draco_ | well ... thank you for the suggestions ... I'm going to give the DVD a shot later and see if I can make that work -- figure out the USB issue later .... if it's still not working, I will likely be back. Thanks for the assist -- but of course, when I finally take the time to ask my question on a forum, work finally starts getting busy ... | 14:03 |
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| CoffeeJ | good evening pals today is a good day hope for u too | 14:49 |
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| floown | Hello | 17:48 |
| floown | I have lost my taskbar, how can I launch it again, please? | 17:48 |
| foormea | floown: taskbar or the whole panel? | 17:59 |
| floown | The whole panel | 17:59 |
| floown | foormea: | 18:00 |
| foormea | right-cick on your desktop and "add panel" | 18:00 |
| foormea | once you've got your panel you can add widgets in it | 18:00 |
| foormea | by clicking the button that looks like 3 horizontal lines stacked up | 18:01 |
| foormea | does it work? | 18:03 |
| floown | My Kubuntu is in a VM (virtualbox) so I have no desktop | 18:04 |
| floown | foormea: | 18:04 |
| floown | I have restart the session, the panel is back | 18:12 |
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| excalibr | https://i.imgur.com/gJ2vPy0.png :( | 23:48 |
| jeferson | hello | 23:49 |
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