[00:01] Probably the same as https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355253, guess I can check when the next alarm goes off in 5 minutes, heh. [00:01] KDE bug 355253 in KAlarm resource "kalarm causes akonadi resource crash" [Crash,Unconfirmed] === finetundra_ is now known as finetundra [01:18] Hmm how do you set the start-day of the month in Plasma 5.4? [01:18] sorry, of the week I mean [01:33] Ouch, guess it isn't necessarily possible, that sucks. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 [01:33] KDE bug 340982 in kcm_formats "I cannot set my short date to YYYY-MM-DD, nor my time to HH:MM" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [01:36] QLocale seems like a *huge* regression from the functionality that KLocale provided. === kubuntu is now known as frogpond [03:48] currently installing Kubuntu 15.10 on lenovo ideacentre [06:19] I'm trying to stop the screen from going to sleep when I don't move the mouse, what setting is that? [06:20] ok, never mind, Energy Saving [08:13] how do I unmount an MTP device that is mounted in Dolphin (on 15.10)? === jayhunold is now known as jhunold [08:58] ngaio: MTP devices aren't mounted per se, it's just a protocol for talking; you can unplug them without fear. [08:59] keithzg, dolphin blocks gphoto2's access to the device [08:59] another way of asking my question is to ask "how do I tell dolphin to relinquish the MTP device?" [09:01] ngaio: That's strange, there shouldn't be any sort of locking like that going on. That should only happen if the device thinks an operation is taking place but it isn't being completed. [09:03] keithzg, I'm pretty certain it's using gphoto2 under the hood to display the device contents of this particular MTP device (nexus 4). I know from using libgphoto2 in my own code that libgphoto2 needs to an explicit free call, or alternatively it times out after some minutes [09:03] until then, the device is "mounted" i.e. locked by the process [09:08] ngaio: I'd be pretty surprised if it was using gphoto2, since libgphoto2-6 isn't a dependency of dolphin. Digikam uses it, for instance, but Dolphin just uses the MTP KIO slave. [09:09] keithzg, interesting [09:09] in any case, something is blocking libgphoto2's access to the device, therefore the need to "unmount" it [09:13] perhaps I should send a message to the kfm-devel mailing list about this [09:13] ngaio: I'd almost suggest first trying plugging the device in and using gphotos2 without any KDE stuff running, see if that's actually the problem. [09:13] I know it's the problem :-) [09:13] it's easy to reproduct [09:13] reproduce* [09:13] You've tried running in a session without? [09:14] I've been testing it under Unity, XFCE, & KDE plasma 5 / KF5 [09:15] with the GVFS type environments (Unity, Gnome, XFCE etc.) it's easy. you just request gvfs to "unmount" it and the libgphoto2 can access it [09:15] but I am unable to find the equivalent function in KDE plasma 5 / KF5 [09:16] So on the same machine in XFCE it works? Better yet, on the same machine without any of the gnome infrastructure running by default either (ex. in an openbox session) it works? [09:16] 'solid-hardware unmount udi' doesn't work either [09:17] yes it works, because my code instructs the desktop environment to "unmount" the device first, if it is "mounted" [09:18] my code uses libgphoto2 directly to access the device, so it bypasses Gnome etc. I just want Gnome and KDE and the rest get out of the way to allow libgphoto2 to do it's thing [09:19] a user would come across the same issue when using gphoto2 from the command line [09:19] *shrug* I'm just wondering if you've verified that it's actually KF5 specifically that's getting in your way by testing the same exact machine but outside of either a GNOME(-derivative) or KDE session. [09:22] keithzg, why so? if you have an android device > 4.0 you can try it yourself. Just run gphoto2 --list-folders from the command line and see it's error message, before and after displaying the device contents in dolphin [09:25] ngaio: Heh well gphoto2 doesn't work for me whether or not I've accessed the device via Dolphin, I just get "*** Error (-1: 'Unspecified error') ***" [09:27] I'm still on 14.04 on the system in front of me. [09:27] keithzg, for example I'm in Unity now. I run dolphin, browse the device, and gphoto2 gives *** Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device') *** [09:27] I close dolphin, and gphoto2 works as expected [09:28] I can reproduce it the same way if I'm in plasma 5 too, it makes no difference [09:29] ngaio: So wait, your problem goes away as soon as you close Dolphin in Plasma 5 too? [09:29] btw you have to unlock the device first [09:29] or else it can't scan it [09:29] Oh it's unlocked. [09:30] I can click then on it in Dolphin and browse just fine. [09:30] keithzg, no that's a difference. Under unity, it relinquishes it immediately [09:30] under plasma you need to wait some time for it to time out [09:30] ngaio: Hmm, interesting. [09:30] quite some minutes as I recall [09:31] ngaio: Does a process linger, then? On Kubuntu 14.04, for instance, if I have a Dolphin window open and I've opened up my Nexus 5X to browse it, I can see a process for the MTP KIO slave. [09:31] It vanishes once I close that Dolphin instance. [09:31] let me login into plasma and see [09:31] brb === max is now known as Guest65001 === maxim__ is now known as maxvanceffer [09:38] keithzg, so it turns out that I was partly wrong about dolphin. If you close it completely when it's running within plasma 5, it does relinquish control of the MTP android device [09:39] which is good [09:39] however if you browse somewhere else other than the MTP device, e.g. home folder, it still keeps control of the device [09:43] ngaio: I bet if you look you'll see that an mtp kio process is still running. [09:45] yes just checked that [09:45] it is [09:46] does KDE provide a way taking a request that it close that slave process? [09:49] ngaio: I'd guess that'd be doable via dbus, but I'll admit that's just a guess. [09:56] * keithzg scurries off home for the night [10:41] Good morning. [10:42] good evening :) === afx237_ is now known as afx237 [10:44] Is, or has, anyone running kubuntu on the following... [10:44] http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd?oc=y51of94au&model_id=xps-13-9350-laptop [10:44] ? [10:57] That is a rather specific question... [11:00] lordievader: you mean me? Yes, I'm interested as to whether Kubuntu would install without problem on that laptop [11:00] lordievader: But, I would consider any other, too... Kaos is interesting [11:02] realmkeeper: Yes, specific questions like that rarely get an answer. Anyhow linlap doesn't list it yet. http://www.linlap.com/dell That says nothing however. [11:02] Okay. Thanks lordievader [11:07] lordievader: But the way, in KDE I usually make the top right corner a hotspot to show all desktops. In the past, in the "Buttons" custom window I would put a spacer or two between the corner and close button, to that I wouldn't accidentally activate the hot corner when aiming for the close button... [11:07] but, in the new KDE, the "spacer" is missing/gone. Where would I put feedback for that? [11:07] Most likely on bugs.kde.org [11:08] Technically not a bug, but okay. Thanks. [11:11] That or kde's brainstorm thing. [12:21] Hey all [13:12] Anyone around for a quick question? .... [13:13] Draco_, yes [13:14] I have a Toshiba Satellite and I am trying to update to Werewolf ... but I can't get my computer to boot from the USB ... I have a feeling it is going to be an OEM issue, but I'd rather ask to be sure about it [13:14] I set the bios to boot from the USB first ... then CD/DWD then HDD ... but it skips the USB in teh boot sequence [13:15] how did you create the OS iso ? [13:15] I'm currently on Kubuntu 14.04 ... [13:15] I downloaded it from the Kubuntu torrent site .. everything is good ... go through the startup disk creator without issue ... but it just won't bot from USB [13:16] I can get around it when I have time to go grab a blank DVD ... but I was hoiping to have it done before I leave work this morning [13:17] I recommend you use dd to copy the iso to the usb , it's more reliable than 'creator' and it will be bootable [13:17] dd? Can I get that through Muon? [13:18] dd is a terminal command [13:18] !dd [13:18] !info dd [13:18] Package dd does not exist in wily [13:19] strange the bot has no info [13:19] no worries ... I just got a call .. be back in a few [13:21] Draco_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-a-windows-iso-to-a-usb-device [13:22] ignore that post above [13:24] Draco_, http://superuser.com/questions/351814/how-to-copy-an-iso-image-onto-usb-with-dd [13:45] HELP [13:47] i have installed kubuntu recently but by ethernet do not connect automatically [13:47] what should i do? [13:53] Draco_: Or try Unetbootin. [13:54] unetbootin is almost as bad as creator IME [13:55] It worked for me. [13:56] dd is still easier and more reliable [14:03] well ... thank you for the suggestions ... I'm going to give the DVD a shot later and see if I can make that work -- figure out the USB issue later .... if it's still not working, I will likely be back. Thanks for the assist -- but of course, when I finally take the time to ask my question on a forum, work finally starts getting busy ... === Steffstoff is now known as Guest47441 === mozg is now known as mpangalatra === mpangalatra is now known as mozg === mozg is now known as tacatabro === tacatabro is now known as mozg [14:49] good evening pals today is a good day hope for u too === Philip6 is now known as Philip5 === max__ is now known as Guest8218 [17:48] Hello [17:48] I have lost my taskbar, how can I launch it again, please? [17:59] floown: taskbar or the whole panel? [17:59] The whole panel [18:00] foormea: [18:00] right-cick on your desktop and "add panel" [18:00] once you've got your panel you can add widgets in it [18:01] by clicking the button that looks like 3 horizontal lines stacked up [18:03] does it work? [18:04] My Kubuntu is in a VM (virtualbox) so I have no desktop [18:04] foormea: [18:12] I have restart the session, the panel is back === leonidas_ is now known as Guest70290 === ubuntu is now known as Guest65383 === dilfridge is now known as gnome === gnome is now known as dilfridge === dilfridge is now known as gollum === s_20_ is now known as s_20 === gollum is now known as dilfridge [23:48] https://i.imgur.com/gJ2vPy0.png :( [23:49] hello