[00:01] <keithzg> Probably the same as https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355253, guess I can check when the next alarm goes off in 5 minutes, heh.
[01:18] <keithzg> Hmm how do you set the start-day of the month in Plasma 5.4?
[01:18] <keithzg> sorry, of the week I mean
[01:33] <keithzg> Ouch, guess it isn't necessarily possible, that sucks. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982
[01:36] <keithzg> QLocale seems like a *huge* regression from the functionality that KLocale provided.
[03:48] <frogpond> currently installing Kubuntu 15.10 on lenovo ideacentre
[06:19] <LogicalDash> I'm trying to stop the screen from going to sleep when I don't move the mouse, what setting is that?
[06:20] <LogicalDash> ok, never mind, Energy Saving
[08:13] <ngaio> how do I unmount an MTP device that is mounted in Dolphin (on 15.10)?
[08:58] <keithzg> ngaio: MTP devices aren't mounted per se, it's just a protocol for talking; you can unplug them without fear.
[08:59] <ngaio> keithzg, dolphin blocks gphoto2's access to the device
[08:59] <ngaio> another way of asking my question is to ask "how do I tell dolphin to relinquish the MTP device?"
[09:01] <keithzg> ngaio: That's strange, there shouldn't be any sort of locking like that going on. That should only happen if the device thinks an operation is taking place but it isn't being completed.
[09:03] <ngaio> keithzg, I'm pretty certain it's using gphoto2 under the hood to display the device contents of this particular MTP device (nexus 4). I know from using libgphoto2 in my own code that libgphoto2 needs to an explicit free call, or alternatively it times out after some minutes
[09:03] <ngaio> until then, the device is "mounted" i.e. locked by the process
[09:08] <keithzg> ngaio: I'd be pretty surprised if it was using gphoto2, since libgphoto2-6 isn't a dependency of dolphin. Digikam uses it, for instance, but Dolphin just uses the MTP KIO slave.
[09:09] <ngaio> keithzg, interesting
[09:09] <ngaio> in any case, something is blocking libgphoto2's access to the device, therefore the need to "unmount" it
[09:13] <ngaio> perhaps I should send a message to the kfm-devel mailing list about this
[09:13] <keithzg> ngaio: I'd almost suggest first trying plugging the device in and using gphotos2 without any KDE stuff running, see if that's actually the problem.
[09:13] <ngaio> I know it's the problem :-)
[09:13] <ngaio> it's easy to reproduct
[09:13] <ngaio> reproduce*
[09:13] <keithzg> You've tried running in a session without?
[09:14] <ngaio> I've been testing it under Unity, XFCE, & KDE plasma 5 / KF5
[09:15] <ngaio> with the GVFS type environments (Unity, Gnome, XFCE etc.) it's easy. you just request gvfs to "unmount" it and the libgphoto2 can access it
[09:15] <ngaio> but I am unable to find the equivalent function in KDE plasma 5 / KF5
[09:16] <keithzg> So on the same machine in XFCE it works? Better yet, on the same machine without any of the gnome infrastructure running by default either (ex. in an openbox session) it works?
[09:16] <ngaio> 'solid-hardware unmount udi' doesn't work either
[09:17] <ngaio> yes it works, because my code instructs the desktop environment to "unmount" the device first, if it is "mounted"
[09:18] <ngaio> my code uses libgphoto2 directly to access the device, so it bypasses Gnome etc. I just want Gnome and KDE and the rest get out of the way to allow libgphoto2 to do it's thing
[09:19] <ngaio> a user would come across the same issue when using gphoto2 from the command line
[09:19] <keithzg> *shrug* I'm just wondering if you've verified that it's actually KF5 specifically that's getting in your way by testing the same exact machine but outside of either a GNOME(-derivative) or KDE session.
[09:22] <ngaio> keithzg, why so? if you have an android device > 4.0 you can try it yourself. Just run gphoto2 --list-folders from the command line and see it's error message, before and after displaying the device contents in dolphin
[09:25] <keithzg> ngaio: Heh well gphoto2 doesn't work for me whether or not I've accessed the device via Dolphin, I just get "*** Error (-1: 'Unspecified error') ***"
[09:27] <keithzg> I'm still on 14.04 on the system in front of me.
[09:27] <ngaio> keithzg, for example I'm in Unity now. I run dolphin, browse the device, and gphoto2 gives *** Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device') ***
[09:27] <ngaio> I close dolphin, and gphoto2 works as expected
[09:28] <ngaio> I can reproduce it the same way if I'm in plasma 5 too, it makes no difference
[09:29] <keithzg> ngaio: So wait, your problem goes away as soon as you close Dolphin in Plasma 5 too?
[09:29] <ngaio> btw you have to unlock the device first
[09:29] <ngaio> or else it can't scan it
[09:29] <keithzg> Oh it's unlocked.
[09:30] <keithzg> I can click then on it in Dolphin and browse just fine.
[09:30] <ngaio> keithzg, no that's a difference. Under unity, it relinquishes it immediately
[09:30] <ngaio> under plasma you need to wait some time for it to time out
[09:30] <keithzg> ngaio: Hmm, interesting.
[09:30] <ngaio> quite some minutes as I recall
[09:31] <keithzg> ngaio: Does a process linger, then? On Kubuntu 14.04, for instance, if I have a Dolphin window open and I've opened up my Nexus 5X to browse it, I can see a process for the MTP KIO slave.
[09:31] <keithzg> It vanishes once I close that Dolphin instance.
[09:31] <ngaio> let me login into plasma and see
[09:31] <ngaio> brb
[09:38] <ngaio> keithzg, so it turns out that I was partly wrong about dolphin. If you close it completely when it's running within plasma 5, it does relinquish control of the MTP android device
[09:39] <ngaio>  which is good
[09:39] <ngaio> however if you browse somewhere else other than the MTP device, e.g. home folder, it still keeps control of the device
[09:43] <keithzg> ngaio: I bet if you look you'll see that an mtp kio process is still running.
[09:45] <ngaio> yes just checked that
[09:45] <ngaio> it is
[09:46] <ngaio> does KDE provide a way taking a request that it close that slave process?
[09:49] <keithzg> ngaio: I'd guess that'd be doable via dbus, but I'll admit that's just a guess.
[09:56]  * keithzg scurries off home for the night
[10:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:42] <realmkeeper> good evening :)
[10:44] <realmkeeper> Is, or has, anyone running kubuntu on the following...
[10:44] <realmkeeper> http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd?oc=y51of94au&model_id=xps-13-9350-laptop
[10:44] <realmkeeper> ?
[10:57] <lordievader> That is a rather specific question...
[11:00] <realmkeeper> lordievader: you mean me? Yes, I'm interested as to whether Kubuntu would install without problem on that laptop
[11:00] <realmkeeper> lordievader: But, I would consider any other, too... Kaos is interesting
[11:02] <lordievader> realmkeeper: Yes, specific questions like that rarely get an answer. Anyhow linlap doesn't list it yet. http://www.linlap.com/dell That says nothing however.
[11:02] <realmkeeper> Okay. Thanks lordievader
[11:07] <realmkeeper> lordievader: But the way, in KDE I usually make the top right corner a hotspot to show all desktops. In the past, in the "Buttons" custom window I would put a spacer or two between the corner and close button, to that I wouldn't accidentally activate the hot corner when aiming for the close button...
[11:07] <realmkeeper> but, in the new KDE, the "spacer" is missing/gone. Where would I put feedback for that?
[11:07] <lordievader> Most likely on bugs.kde.org
[11:08] <realmkeeper> Technically not a bug, but okay. Thanks.
[11:11] <lordievader> That or kde's brainstorm thing.
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:12] <Draco_> Anyone around for a quick question? ....
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Draco_, yes
[13:14] <Draco_> I have a Toshiba Satellite  and I am trying to update to Werewolf ... but I can't get my computer to boot from the USB ... I have a feeling it is going to be an OEM issue, but I'd rather ask to be sure about it
[13:14] <Draco_> I set the bios to boot from the USB first ... then CD/DWD then HDD ... but it skips the USB in teh boot sequence
[13:15] <BluesKaj> how did you create the OS iso ?
[13:15] <Draco_> I'm currently on Kubuntu 14.04 ...
[13:15] <Draco_> I downloaded it from the Kubuntu torrent site .. everything is good ... go through the startup disk creator without issue ... but it just won't bot from USB
[13:16] <Draco_> I can get around it when I have time to go grab a blank DVD ... but I was hoiping to have it done before I leave work this morning
[13:17] <BluesKaj> I recommend you use dd to copy the iso to the usb , it's more reliable than 'creator' and it will be bootable
[13:17] <Draco_> dd?  Can I get that through Muon?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> dd is a terminal command
[13:18] <BluesKaj> !dd
[13:18] <BluesKaj> !info dd
[13:19] <BluesKaj> strange the bot has no info
[13:19] <Draco_> no worries ... I just got a call .. be back in a few
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Draco_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-a-windows-iso-to-a-usb-device
[13:22] <BluesKaj> ignore that post above
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Draco_, http://superuser.com/questions/351814/how-to-copy-an-iso-image-onto-usb-with-dd
[13:45] <rohan> HELP
[13:47] <rohan> i have installed kubuntu recently but by ethernet do not connect automatically
[13:47] <rohan> what should i do?
[13:53] <lordievader> Draco_: Or try Unetbootin.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> unetbootin is almost as bad as creator IME
[13:55] <lordievader> It worked for me.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> dd is still easier and more reliable
[14:03] <Draco_> well ... thank you for the suggestions ... I'm going to give the DVD a shot later and see if I can make that work -- figure out the USB issue later .... if it's still not working, I will likely be back.  Thanks for the assist -- but of course, when I finally take the time to ask my question on a forum, work finally starts getting busy ...
[14:49] <CoffeeJ> good evening pals today is a good day hope for u too
[17:48] <floown> Hello
[17:48] <floown> I have lost my taskbar, how can I launch it again, please?
[17:59] <foormea> floown: taskbar or the whole panel?
[17:59] <floown> The whole panel
[18:00] <floown> foormea:
[18:00] <foormea> right-cick on your desktop and "add panel"
[18:00] <foormea> once you've got your panel you can add widgets in it
[18:01] <foormea> by clicking the button that looks like 3 horizontal lines stacked up
[18:03] <foormea> does it work?
[18:04] <floown> My Kubuntu is in a VM (virtualbox) so I have no desktop
[18:04] <floown> foormea:
[18:12] <floown> I have restart the session, the panel is back
[23:48] <excalibr> https://i.imgur.com/gJ2vPy0.png :(
[23:49] <jeferson> hello