| SeriouslyLaugh | there should be some kind of karma bot for whoever helped someone in the main support channel | 03:59 |
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| SeriouslyLaugh | or some way for volunteers to be recognized for a successful solve | 03:59 |
| SeriouslyLaugh | a bot would be annoying probably | 04:00 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 10:42 |
| pauljw | hi everyone | 12:00 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:21 |
| pauljw | :) | 12:30 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning pauljw :-) | 12:35 |
| OerHeks | :-) | 18:04 |
| MonkeyDust | look who's there, motaka2 | 20:15 |
| TJ- | look who's quickly going grey, too! | 20:20 |
| BluesKaj | TJ-, I have to admit I admire your patience :-P | 20:31 |
| TJ- | haha I'm only doing it since I'm intrigued, and it isn't the user's lack of skill, despite what it has looked like. He's genuinely hitting several corner-cases one after the other | 20:32 |
| TJ- | the original issue breaking 12.04 during an attempted 14.04 release-upgrade was due to the terrible connectivity from what I can tell | 20:32 |
| BluesKaj | he must have mucked up some kernel module | 20:33 |
| BluesKaj | ahh, now I recall the some the original problem | 20:33 |
| BluesKaj | err some of the orginal | 20:36 |
| TJ- | the packages got stuck in a between releases situation with many core bits being a mix, and we couldn't figure a way out of it | 20:37 |
| DJones | Is saying that uefi if good a blasphemy? Updated a dual boot Ubuntu/Win 8.1 machine to Ubuntu/Win 10 today, no issues, upgrade took under an hour, didn't break grub, both os's work perfectly | 20:45 |
| DJones | s/if/is/ | 20:45 |
| Bashing-om | DJones: TJ- Will bless you . | 20:47 |
| DJones | I was expecting to have to reinstall grub | 20:47 |
| Bashing-om | Yeah, that has been my general expectation aslo . UEFI is a great thing. We just have to learn the hows. huh . | 20:49 |
| DJones | But seems like once grub is installed, it actually works well with multiboot systems, Win 10 update just modified its own boot system | 20:49 |
| DJones | Seems like grub 2 is actually designed to work with grub at a base level and then links to various other o/s boot systems, rather than the old grub | 20:51 |
| TJ- | DJones: the beauty of UEFI is that the OS boot-loader is only involved for its own OS, no others, so there is no need for the boot-strap code to be replacing each others' bits | 20:55 |
| DJones | TJ-: Thats good to know, I was expecting a complete mess, but was pleasantly surprised | 20:55 |
| TJ- | DJones: UEFI has a dedicated FAT file-system, the EFI System Partition, and each OS/bootloader installs its own bootloader files there in separate paths, then adds a menu entry to the UEFI boot manager's menu which is stored in non-voltile RAM on the mobo | 20:55 |
| DJones | For me, it feels as though Grub has taken over uefi and then points to the various bootloaders | 20:57 |
| DJones | Which I won't complain about, the bootloader should be independent of the os | 20:58 |
| TJ- | No, the firmware's boot menu should have entries for each OS. If GRUB adds other OSes, it'll simply ask the UEFI services to boot those | 20:59 |
| DJones | Right, my laptop just goes straight to Grub, without any suggestion of a firmware entry | 21:00 |
| TJ- | UEFI boot menu stores a 'default' entry, so that's what is happening. If at boot-time you press the firmware's manual boot option key, you'll see the firmware's view of the boot menu entries | 21:00 |
| DJones | I'm not worried how it works, just pleased that it works how I'd prefer it | 21:00 |
| DJones | Ah right | 21:00 |
| BluesKaj | I regret wiping the UEFI boot partition and GPT table for dos after I eceived my lenovo laptop, but 8.1 wasn't my cuppa tea i thought I' just get rid of all MS "junk" and install W7 and Kubuntu | 21:02 |
| BluesKaj | at the time I saw UEFI as an obstacle Linux | 21:03 |
| BluesKaj | to | 21:03 |
| DJones | I managed to modify Win 8.1 to look like win 7 | 21:04 |
| DJones | So wasn't bothered by its different looks for the hour a month I might have booted it up | 21:05 |
| BluesKaj | well , I have W10 and Kubuntu 15.10 on it now, I let W7 auto upgrade | 21:05 |
| BluesKaj | yeah I just keep W10 around to keep up with my MS user friends | 21:06 |
| DJones | Heh, a pox upon you having MS user friends | 21:07 |
| DJones | I only have it for preparing powerpoint/publisher files for Church | 21:07 |
| BluesKaj | not much I can do they're not real computer savvy types | 21:07 |
| BluesKaj | one drank the MS kool-ade , took the MS certification course | 21:08 |
| DJones | I remember the days when all my friends used MSN, now they all use Gtalk/snapchat/skype etc | 21:09 |
| BluesKaj | got an IT job that paid him peanuts until he finally got a half decent paying job in th elocal pulp & paper rmill | 21:10 |
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