[03:59] there should be some kind of karma bot for whoever helped someone in the main support channel [03:59] or some way for volunteers to be recognized for a successful solve [04:00] a bot would be annoying probably [10:42] Good morning. [12:00] hi everyone [12:21] Hey all [12:30] :) [12:35] 'Morning pauljw :-) [18:04] :-) [20:15] look who's there, motaka2 [20:20] look who's quickly going grey, too! [20:31] TJ-, I have to admit I admire your patience :-P [20:32] haha I'm only doing it since I'm intrigued, and it isn't the user's lack of skill, despite what it has looked like. He's genuinely hitting several corner-cases one after the other [20:32] the original issue breaking 12.04 during an attempted 14.04 release-upgrade was due to the terrible connectivity from what I can tell [20:33] he must have mucked up some kernel module [20:33] ahh, now I recall the some the original problem [20:36] err some of the orginal [20:37] the packages got stuck in a between releases situation with many core bits being a mix, and we couldn't figure a way out of it [20:45] Is saying that uefi if good a blasphemy? Updated a dual boot Ubuntu/Win 8.1 machine to Ubuntu/Win 10 today, no issues, upgrade took under an hour, didn't break grub, both os's work perfectly [20:45] s/if/is/ [20:47] DJones: TJ- Will bless you . [20:47] I was expecting to have to reinstall grub [20:49] Yeah, that has been my general expectation aslo . UEFI is a great thing. We just have to learn the hows. huh . [20:49] But seems like once grub is installed, it actually works well with multiboot systems, Win 10 update just modified its own boot system [20:51] Seems like grub 2 is actually designed to work with grub at a base level and then links to various other o/s boot systems, rather than the old grub [20:55] DJones: the beauty of UEFI is that the OS boot-loader is only involved for its own OS, no others, so there is no need for the boot-strap code to be replacing each others' bits [20:55] TJ-: Thats good to know, I was expecting a complete mess, but was pleasantly surprised [20:55] DJones: UEFI has a dedicated FAT file-system, the EFI System Partition, and each OS/bootloader installs its own bootloader files there in separate paths, then adds a menu entry to the UEFI boot manager's menu which is stored in non-voltile RAM on the mobo [20:57] For me, it feels as though Grub has taken over uefi and then points to the various bootloaders [20:58] Which I won't complain about, the bootloader should be independent of the os [20:59] No, the firmware's boot menu should have entries for each OS. If GRUB adds other OSes, it'll simply ask the UEFI services to boot those [21:00] Right, my laptop just goes straight to Grub, without any suggestion of a firmware entry [21:00] UEFI boot menu stores a 'default' entry, so that's what is happening. If at boot-time you press the firmware's manual boot option key, you'll see the firmware's view of the boot menu entries [21:00] I'm not worried how it works, just pleased that it works how I'd prefer it [21:00] Ah right [21:02] I regret wiping the UEFI boot partition and GPT table for dos after I eceived my lenovo laptop, but 8.1 wasn't my cuppa tea i thought I' just get rid of all MS "junk" and install W7 and Kubuntu [21:03] at the time I saw UEFI as an obstacle Linux [21:03] to [21:04] I managed to modify Win 8.1 to look like win 7 [21:05] So wasn't bothered by its different looks for the hour a month I might have booted it up [21:05] well , I have W10 and Kubuntu 15.10 on it now, I let W7 auto upgrade [21:06] yeah I just keep W10 around to keep up with my MS user friends [21:07] Heh, a pox upon you having MS user friends [21:07] I only have it for preparing powerpoint/publisher files for Church [21:07] not much I can do they're not real computer savvy types [21:08] one drank the MS kool-ade , took the MS certification course [21:09] I remember the days when all my friends used MSN, now they all use Gtalk/snapchat/skype etc [21:10] got an IT job that paid him peanuts until he finally got a half decent paying job in th elocal pulp & paper rmill