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zmoylan-piwe're in there somewhere... http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-14.05,52.12,300004:40
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:23
knightwisehey brobostigon08:52
knightwisehow are you08:52
brobostigonhi knightwise, not bad and you?08:53
knightwisedoing ok08:53
knightwiseabout to go for some Xmass shopping with the misses08:53
knightwiseso I packed somme light reading material on my phone :p08:53
brobostigon:)08:55
* brobostigon has a misses now as well, he is engaged.08:55
knightwiseCongratzzzz ! since when ?08:57
brobostigonlast weekend.08:59
brobostigonthank you, :)08:59
knightwisewicked ! set a date yet ?08:59
brobostigonno, not yet, :)09:00
knightwisei'm off :) downloaded some books on the tablet so i have something to read in the meantime :)09:06
brobostigon:)09:08
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diddleda_ms edge javascript engine (chakra) is going to be opensourced: https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/12/05/open-source-chakra-core/15:11
bittiniktf: https://twitter.com/stephaniehobson/status/67229904515550412815:22
DJonesHmmh, something wrong here, under an hour to upgrade a Win 8.1 machine to Win 10 including downloading 2.6Gb of upgrade, without any issues, completely working system and without making a mess of dual boot.  I guess uEFI does have some benefits16:31
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foobarryviews on chromebooks in schools anyone?17:18
foobarryi.e. schools buying them instead of other things like macs17:18
penguin42I guess it depends what the schools are doing; I guess the macs probably give more flexibility, as would a PC laptop; but there again the chromebooks will be cheap and probably easier to admin17:24
foobarryapparently the macs aren't being used much17:25
foobarryneed to find out more17:25
penguin42what age range?17:27
foobarryprimary/infant17:34
foobarryjunior school17:34
penguin42I think at that age a chromebook should be fine, and you want something cheap and destructible so when they puke on it, it's not a big issue17:44
penguin42heck, elastic-trickery prices seem to have dropped like a stone in the last year18:53
zmoylan-piin ireland wind power seems to be reaching new heights every few months19:11
penguin42zmoylan-pi: UK we've got about 8.5GW peak, but that is peak; we do have the occasional week when it produces ~.1GW19:38
penguin42http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/  is the current UK grid status19:38
directhexfortunately, wind power is highly predictable, and some types of fossil fuel generators can go from idle to full production in about 30 minutes19:44
directhexso renewable as a baseline is actually feasible - but no renewable is suitable for making up shortfall19:44
directhexnuclear is a better baseline, since it's got a constant output rate all the time19:45
directhexand pumped storage hydroelectric as a way to store excess power produced during the day for use at night *could* do instead of fossil fuiels... if it weren't comedy expensive19:45
penguin42directhex: I'm not convinced pumped is enough; the problem with wind/solar isn't overnight - it's a week of low wind19:46
directhexalso that19:46
directhexbut using gas as a baseline is dumb19:46
directhexgas is a fabulous compensator, but using it as a baseline is a massive waste19:46
penguin42yep19:47
penguin42directhex: If you can persuade people to build nukes then you're right19:47
directhexyeah, not happening19:47
directhexnobody wants to build modern safe reactors, because 1960s reactors aren't up to 2010's standards. so we... keep running old 1960s reactors into the ground. good job everyone19:48
directhexthe pricing issue with nukes isn't even construction or maintenance, it's insurance. which costs basically £infinity19:48
penguin42you can kind of see why19:49
directhexwe could build safe reactors tomorrow, but fear of free love era relics means it won't happen19:50
penguin42define 'safe'?  Has anyone actually built a large scale inherently safe one yet?19:50
directhexplenty of modern designs are modular parallel small-scale ones19:51
penguin42oh, hadn't realised those existed19:52
directhexi thiknk toshiba had a 100% sealed design one19:52
directhexjust drop it in the ground & connect a (big) cable to the top19:53
penguin42hmm, why aren't tehy getting in on the UK competition?19:53
penguin42that seems to be mostly French/Chinese?19:53
directhexfrance is one of the most nuclear nations on earh, if anyone has the experience needed to actually deploy things successfully, it's them19:55
penguin42yeh, that's true, and I think we are due to get one they're probably debugging on their own soil19:56
directhexlike... 90% of their national demand is nuclear, 10% is hydro? something like that19:56
penguin42ah well there's a link at the top of that page for the french grid19:56
penguin42http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/19:57
bashrcI don't think nuclear has much of a future. Electricity from renewables overtook nuclear and coal within the last few years. Nuclear is expensive, particularly when you include the externalities19:57
penguin42currently cooking at 92.36% nuke19:57
directhexnobody's had to deal with a catastrophic wind spillage yet :o19:57
penguin42although lots of people have been killed by catastrophic hydro power failures19:58
directhexnuclear is *way* more dependable than renewable. no "is it sunny? is it windy?" issues, so less need to top up with fossil fuels than with a heavy renewable base19:58
directhexnuclear probably has no future, but not because it isn't good19:58
directhexit's political19:59
penguin42directhex: Given the design life of nukes I do wonder when they start having financial difficulties due to the expected arrival of fusion19:59
penguin42directhex: I mean if you design for a 50 year life, we *should* have working fusion by then19:59
bashrcthat's what they said 50 years ago19:59
directhexever gone swimming in nuclear runoff? nice & warm! manatees love it!20:00
penguin42bashrc: Yeh, although ITER is actually getting somewhere20:00
ali1234if you mined all the lithium in Earth, how many amp-hours of batteries could you make?20:02
penguin42bashrc: They've actually got buildings going up and the superconducting cables made20:03
directhex"As of January 2010, the USGS estimated world total lithium reserves at 9.9×109 kg (economically extractable now) and identified lithium resources at 2.55 × 1010 kg (potentially economic). Most of the identified resources are in Bolivia and Chile (9 × 109 kg and 7.5 × 109 kg, respectively). World lithium production is currently on the order of 2 × 107 kg per year."20:04
ali1234yes i am also reading that page20:04
directhexso it's 100g per kWh20:04
ali1234yeah. so about 1*10^11 kWhs20:04
ali1234enough to run the whole planet for five hours20:06
ali1234that's kind of scary20:07
* penguin42 hates to think of the connector you'd use for that20:07
directhexCCS.20:07
zmoylan-pithe apple variant would of course cost double :-)20:08
moreatiA sanity check: can anyone get this page to show a comparison? Is there a button I'm not seeing? http://www.asus.com/uk/Notebooks/Zenbook-Series-Products/21:23
moreatinm, I've found alternate means. Still puzzle though21:29
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AzelphurHi folks, I'm trying to figure out how to make my PC pretend to be a bluetooth headset, such that I could make phone calls via my phone, utilising my PCs mic and speakers. Does anyone know how to do this?22:18
penguin42hmm sounds like it should be possible, I think, never done it22:55

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