[03:25] <daftykins> Bashing-om: morning o/
[03:25] <daftykins> brb
[03:27] <Bashing-om> daftykins: o/ .. been kinda slow ,,, and missing ya .
[03:28] <daftykins> :D
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:13] <daftykins> mornin' o/
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins :p
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> all ok?
[05:16] <daftykins> yip all good here thanks, just kicking back and gaming after an early morning :) yourself?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> fine here, drinks n bites yesterday :p so it will be lazy sunday
[05:18] <daftykins> :D
[07:56] <OerHeks> meurning
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> bbl :p
[08:23] <daftykins> OerHeks: morning sir o/
[08:26] <OerHeks> easy sunday morning :-)
[08:27] <daftykins> ^_^
[09:12] <OerHeks> cfhowlett is here to the rescue!
[09:12] <OerHeks> :-D
[09:13] <cfhowlett> oh, hell, what did I just walk into?
[09:13] <OerHeks> oh nothing, we were just 1 person short
[09:23] <daftykins> ^_^
[09:23] <daftykins> one of us... one of us...
[09:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:38] <daftykins> heya \o
[09:38] <daftykins> how's lordievader today?
[09:38] <lordievader> Doing okay.
[09:38] <lordievader> How are you?
[09:39] <daftykins> mm all good here thanks
[09:39] <daftykins> should be having a visit from the person i got that cheap laptop and 27" screen for today :O
[09:40] <lordievader> What kind of 27" screen?
[09:40] <daftykins> a HannsG with an IPS panel and 2560x1440 res
[09:41] <lordievader> That is a lovely screen resolution, lots of screen estate :)
[09:42] <cfhowlett> I played with a 27 incher down at my coffee shop.  WAY cool!
[09:42] <cfhowlett> *phrasing!*
[09:44] <daftykins> :)
[09:45] <OerHeks> he walked off the screen ?
[10:02] <daftykins> =[
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> received an old p3, so im gonna put lubuntu on it
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> meurning OerHeks
[10:11] <daftykins> ouch!
[10:11] <daftykins> how bad's the RAM? :)
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> 512 xp default box
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu and sell the the box :p
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be lil low specs for unity
[10:13] <lordievader> Why? Just why?
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> why what lordievader and good morning :p
[10:13] <lordievader> Why spend time on an old p3...
[10:14] <daftykins> i'm afraid i'd say that selling that as usable is just wrong :(
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> i get it for free
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> free hardware needs ubuntu :p
[10:14] <daftykins> not even lubuntu can bring that kind of museum piece back :>
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> loool
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> how about a lubuntu kids mess box :p
[10:15] <lordievader> That is child abuse...
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> ..or early linux learning :p
[10:16] <lordievader> Then they'll think Linux is slow...
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> better then a bloody ipad
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> ill make it fast youl see
[10:17] <lordievader> A 'bloody' ipad is so much faster...
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> but blurs the childs mind
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> linux is creative :p
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> hi SeriouslyLaugh
[10:36] <SeriouslyLaugh> hey lotuspsychje
[10:37] <OerHeks> Lotus, 2nd hand shops here refuse sinle core pc's, crt monitors and printers.. why do youwant to revive that p3?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: im not a shop yet
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: i think all hardware should be revived
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> why throw away when it still works?
[10:39] <OerHeks> meh, .. untill fire breaks out :-(
[10:39] <OerHeks> i would not run such old hardware in my house.
[10:39] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Because it is terrible?
[10:39] <lordievader> Not to mention power hungry/
[10:39] <lordievader> ?
[10:39] <OerHeks> hop on your bicycle and grab some hardware here
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> i dont throw away working stuff, even if its teriible
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> im not gonna use it myself
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> just refresh and give it another purpose
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> for all the boxes i installed, i had 1 old compaq that doesnt liked lubuntu and xubuntu
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> so i leaved xp on it
[11:16] <lordievader> Ugh, XP.
[11:17] <cfhowlett> still in use ...
[11:37] <SeriouslyLaugh> bonjour
[11:38] <Casper-> bonjour
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> fr | Casper-
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> !fr
[11:46] <SeriouslyLaugh> !cookie | lotuspsychje
[11:46] <OerHeks> !bonbon | lotuspsychje
[11:46] <SeriouslyLaugh> a for effort
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:48] <SeriouslyLaugh> i'm very hung over and i hate it.
[11:50] <Casper-> SeriouslyLaugh: drink water for ur hangover,  or next time chug water b4 u go to sleep
[11:50] <SeriouslyLaugh> yeah i even thought of that as i was drinking yesterday. "i should stay hydrated"
[11:51] <SeriouslyLaugh> best laid plans
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks, lordievader you guys are just so jaleous: http://oi68.tinypic.com/5mn8cz.jpg of my turbo hardware :p
[11:59] <lordievader> Wow O.o
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:00] <OerHeks> you better start a computer museum
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[12:00] <OerHeks> *hips*
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> i think even daftykins drools now
[12:00] <OerHeks> he will buy it.
[12:01] <OerHeks> boat-anchor
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> and it boots under 30 sec!
[12:02] <daftykins> there seems to be some funny text on screen o0
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: its dutch
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: welcome to lubuntu...
[12:03] <daftykins> i can't see any spaces XD
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> its because the hardware blings so much
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> too shiny for eyes :p
[12:10] <lotus|PIII> =p
[12:10] <daftykins> l...o...t...u...s... its... slow...
[12:11] <lotus|PIII> lol
[12:11] <lotus|PIII> lets check some system specs here
[12:11] <OerHeks> press power, come back 2 hrs later ..
[12:12] <lotus|PIII> lolz
[12:14] <OerHeks> just joking, have fun with it, lotus|PIII
[12:14] <lotus|PIII> hey ioria
[12:14] <ioria> hi Lotus.... what is |PIII  :þ
[12:14] <OerHeks> i am off, on my bicycle with drabber to my mum, sunday dinner.
[12:15] <lotus|PIII> ioria, my new old free hardware box pentium 3
[12:15] <ioria> wow....
[12:16] <lotus|PIII> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13745854/
[12:16] <lotus|PIII> specs :p
[12:16] <ioria> lotus|PIII, ram ?
[12:17] <lotus|PIII> lets c
[12:17] <daftykins> OerHeks: safe cycle o/
[12:18] <lotus|PIII> 512ram
[12:18] <ioria> wowwwwwwwwwwwwww
[12:19] <lotus|PIII> lol
[12:19] <ioria> lotus|PIII, i'm running an ubuntu server with a pentium M with 215 mb - (hp nc 6000)
[12:19] <lotus|PIII> nice nice
[12:20] <ioria> lotus|PIII, with lxde and you can't believe how good youtube videos  play
[12:21] <lotus|PIII> ofcourse i just refuse to throw away hardware that works
[12:21] <ioria> it can be useful for experiments .... :þ
[12:22] <lotus|PIII> yeah
[12:23] <ioria> lotus|PIII, today if it'll be possible, i'd like to compile and install the Amd driver for its card
[12:24] <daftykins> my system like that is quad core ;)
[12:24] <ioria> :þ.... yeah
[12:24] <ioria> beefy
[12:25] <lotus|PIII> ok shutdown here
[12:25] <lotus|PIII> later
[12:25] <ioria> bye
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:53] <daftykins> o/
[15:18] <daftykins> they PM you for help, you say don't do that it's rude... then immediately reply again in PM o0
[15:39]  * lordievader misses backstory...
[15:47] <daftykins> just that they reply with "sorry" still in a PM :D
[15:51] <BluesKaj> they don't want to apologize in the chat i reckon
[16:26] <daftykins> oh lawd motaka is back
[16:29] <BluesKaj> daftykins, he's already chosen his target and it's not you...yet :-)
[16:29] <daftykins> nah, he knows i won't take any of his bs games ^_^
[16:31] <BluesKaj> TJ was helping some iirc
[16:31] <daftykins> yeah, motaka goes around everyone when he/she doesn't get their hand held sufficiently :D
[16:31] <daftykins> i suggested an ISO hash last, never did see that get done
[16:57] <pauljw> hi everyone
[16:57] <daftykins> heya o/
[16:57] <daftykins> ooh two more to rejoin the party! excellent :>
[16:57] <pauljw> :)
[16:58] <Bashing-om> strap in tight for a wild ride ?
[17:00] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:01] <Bashing-om> Guys, I see that motaka2 Is back on .. have to admire his persistence to get that perfect systrem .
[17:01] <daftykins> lol
[17:01] <daftykins> yeah and managed to hit a bug with nvidia turbocache cards on 14.04 it seems!
[17:01] <daftykins> that kit is just too old
[17:03] <Bashing-om> old hardware is a concern to me also . So far so good, just hope I can keep this ole box alive in 16.04 .
[17:12] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, how old ?
[17:13] <daftykins> seems to me you have to run middle of the road to get by in Linux land :) you see these folk come in with the latest hardware and so many things don't work
[17:15] <BluesKaj> running 16.04 here on HP amd64 5200+ dualcore cpu. with GT218 Nvidia card and 6Gb RAM on Samsung EVO 859 256Gb SSD, and it runs fine except for the systemd boot delay bug
[17:16] <daftykins> oh what's that bug about?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> correction EVO 850
[17:17] <BluesKaj> daftykins, take 90secs to search for drives while booting
[17:17] <daftykins> ouch!
[17:19] <BluesKaj> apparently it also affects ubuntu, not just kubuntu with plasma5
[17:21] <BluesKaj> i was told it was a plasma problem , but now that I haver the boot list enabled I don't see any plasma related delay there
[17:28] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: I too run an old dual core Athlon mainboard from 2007, so far 15.04 ubuntu performs well. Hope the same can be said for 16.04 systemd in a minimal install situation .
[17:29] <BluesKaj> yeah Bashing-om my system is from 2008, so not much difference
[17:32] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: I really like my box .. but an 8 core Athlon sure would be nice !
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, well, super fast is ok, but I have patience, and I'm cheap :-)
[17:38] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: Uh Huh .. on cheap .. I do not game .. so an old ATI $15 graphics card fits my needs .. What works is 'good nuff' .
[17:39] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, being retired makes one appreciate old stuff that still works and doesn't cost money
[17:42] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: I also .. retired on a fixed income .. and ... well I like it that-a-way ! 1st time in my life I get to expend as much time as I want to learn an operating system .
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, exactly! :-)
[17:44] <Bashing-om> when it is all said and done .. my overwhelming choise - after messing about a lot - is ubuntu as my operating system of choice .
[17:47] <BluesKaj> this old pc is mostly used as a media center pc. I'm a kde guy since 2005 and kubuntu is my OS of choice , alth I do dabble in other OSs from time to time on a pe=rtition i have set aside for experimental stuff
[17:47] <BluesKaj> partition even
[17:48] <BluesKaj> tried fedora 23 the other day, but it doesn't like my gpu much, so the "hat" loses
[17:49] <OerHeks>  /clear
[17:49] <OerHeks> did i miss something?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, to do with?
[17:50] <daftykins> must be the foreign distro speak :D
[17:50] <OerHeks> just joking, my dear BluesKaj
[17:50] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:51] <OerHeks> i am so happy, it rained during the way home
[17:51] <BluesKaj> ok OerHeks humour doesn't come thru in plain text very well :-)
[17:53] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, did you sing in the rain?
[17:55] <OerHeks> Yea, and Drabber barked with me
[18:00] <TJ-> What do we recommend for a lightweight desktop for lower power CPUs
[18:01] <BluesKaj> hey TJ- , xfce maybe, I hear it's very light and usable
[18:02] <TJ-> for some reason I had it in my head its usually lubuntu-desktop
[18:03] <OerHeks> I would try Xubuntu too, much nicer than lubuntu
[18:03] <TJ-> I was messing about with an 16.04 install, and noticed that lubuntu-desktop wants to pull in things like libunity, and at least 1 scope, plus loads of gnome. Totalled 1GB and 700+ packages with --no-install-recommends. I hate to think what it'd be with the default recommends
[18:04] <BluesKaj> what DE does lubuntu use?
[18:04] <daftykins> yeah lubuntu is when you're desperate and don't mind your eyes being offended in the process ;)
[18:04] <TJ-> LXDE
[18:04] <daftykins> LXDE afaiui
[18:04] <TJ-> For some reason I had it in my head the usual recommendation was lubuntu so I was confused when I compared it to the xubuntu-desktop
[18:04] <OerHeks> or Openbox, if you don't mind the 3d sizzle
[18:05] <TJ-> Thought I'd discovered some major bloat going on
[18:05] <TJ-> I was messing about with a debootstrap 16.04 install earlier, very bare-bones, and got very annoyed and sensitive when I found that cryptsetup now *depends* on plymouth, which pulls in all the graphical boot splash 'crap'
[18:06] <daftykins> :S
[18:06] <TJ-> I actually went so far as to edit the apt package list, and then the dpkg status file, to change that from a Depends to a Recommends, so I could avoid it, but it made me hyper-sensitve about this dependency/recommends creep
[18:07] <TJ-> I'm going to file that as a bug against cryptsetup, but I doubt it'll be accepted
[18:08] <daftykins> worth a go :)
[18:09] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Have you given consideration to xfce ? Light and very configurable : https://wiki.xfce.org/ .
[18:09] <TJ-> Looks like its been that way since at least 14.04
[18:09] <BluesKaj> that's sort of how I feel about the kde-pim and associated packages , all kinds of stuff I'll never use, but if aI remove any of it, except for kmail and kontact, I dump the whole desktop
[18:09] <TJ-> Bashing-om: yes, that's where I headed. I just had Lubuntu in my head as the more lightweight for some reason, which confused me
[18:09] <TJ-> BluesKaj: it's annoying when it's a dependency, not just a recommends, isn't it?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> yeah, dependencies galore TJ-
[18:10] <TJ-> BluesKaj: maybe we need to simply create alternative 'virtual' desktop packages with our preferred Depends/Recommends, and put them in a PPA?
[18:10] <TJ-> how about blueskaj-desktop ?
[18:10] <TJ-> apt-get install blueskaj-desktop --no-install-recommends :)
[18:11] <BluesKaj> TJ-, thatsounds great , but I haven't the skills to do it myself ;P
[18:11] <BluesKaj> :-)
[18:12] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I think I'll write a script to do it; creating a virtual package (basically just a debian/control text-file with the preferred "Depends: ..." and "Recommends: "
[18:14] <BluesKaj> if you could accomplish that , alot of kde users would love you for it , noakonadi server, baloo file indexser/search etct etc\
[18:15] <BluesKaj> evebn if I purge ceratin pulseaudio libs ...goodbye kubuntu-desktop
[18:15] <BluesKaj> scuse my spelling , think the allergy meds are kicking in
[18:16] <TJ-> I've been working on some neat packaging tricks which achieve what snappy is doing without throwing out the standard .deb package system, and one of those things is providing a way for users's to personalise their packages to a particular system or class of systems (think kernel's built for specific hardware with no never-required modules, and the always-required modules in the vmlinuz image) and
[18:16] <TJ-> libraries built for the particular CPU capabilites rather than lowest-common-denomintator
[18:17] <TJ-> I agree, there's no longer enough granularity for users, it's becoming all-or-nothing
[18:19] <TJ-> I'm also working on adding binary diff updates into .debs which'll allow much smaller/faster downloads, and still be compatible with apt/dpkg that don't understand the bindiff additions
[18:20] <daftykins> time to scoot for now, catch you later, team! o/
[18:20] <TJ-> same here! din-dins
[18:21] <pauljw> later
[21:23] <TJ-> testing
[21:25] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Water is fine, and we have your back / Is that good nuff for testing ?
[21:25] <TJ-> haha thanks yes. I'm on a remote ssh session using Enlightment/Eterm from the test PC, and the background/terminal emulator are making it hard to read the display
[21:26] <TJ-> oh that's better: toggle transparency off :)
[21:28] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Ho kay .. change the background color ? my exterm changed to black - alias xterm='xterm -rv' - in my .bashrc file .
[21:29] <TJ-> ETerm (the E17 terminal emulator) sets a fancy theme; I just had to toggle the transparency in the Background menu
[21:30] <Bashing-om> ^ Yeah was not to show Gramps how to suck eggs .
[21:30] <TJ-> So far got a nice minimal GUI install, although I had to cut plymouth out of the lightdm package dependencies again, like with cryptsetup - that's really getting annoying now :)
[21:31] <TJ-> funniest part so far was finding the mouse was sticky ... literally, my fingers were sticking to the buttons! Had to deploy the IPA to clean some kind of glue substance away
[21:31] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Personaly, I would rather see the boot messages as a pretty color while waiting to boot up .
[21:32] <TJ-> I prefer to see what the kernel and init are up to; very useful to know what to expect so when things go wrong they're easy to recognise instinctively
[21:33] <TJ-> same with reading the log files... read them when everything is working well, that way you'll spot clues when problems occur
[21:34] <Bashing-om> Uh huh, guilty ,, can think of nothing to tweak or do .. read a log file !
[22:08] <OerHeks> DONT !! dont sudo apt-get install phlipple , it is a nasty addictive 3d puzzle game
[22:11] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Does phlipple intrude on responding on irc ?
[22:11] <OerHeks> no, there is no time involved
[22:16] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: I may have to test ! Size: 35918 , fairly heavy on the graphics ?
[22:18] <OerHeks> no, i think it should be portable to ubuntu phone too.
[22:20] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: K; IF I do this, will you volunteer to save my sanity ?
[22:26] <OerHeks> i am sure you would not be the same :-D
[22:27] <OerHeks> meh, just a funny game you should see :-)
[22:28] <OerHeks> it gives a sense of space and movement and logic
[22:30] <Bashing-om> LOL, I just may as Solitair is getting old .