[03:06] <NoCode> Hi, I just installed the latest realtime Linux-Image, while rebooting, I get a blank screen. Should I be using another dependency with another linux-image? Not sure what's going on. I just had a working image before I reformated.
[08:51] <_shaun_> hi guys i have a massive image that ubuntu insists on printing to one page, how do i print this image to multiple pages?
[08:54] <valorie> since it's an ubuntu problem, perhaps ask in #ubuntu ?
[08:55] <_shaun_> ok cool valorie i have posted there
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:43] <Guest76868> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.4.2 on Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) powered by Linux 4.2.0-16-generic, CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II P320 Dual-Core Processor at 800-2100/2100 MHz, RAM: 2674/2751 MB, Storage: 2/2 GB, 166 procs, 0.39h up
[09:44] <Asach> Hello, I am on 15.10 and could you please tell me how do i see a file saved on desktop?
[09:46] <valorie> hmm, I think you right-click on the desktop and make it folder view
[09:47] <valorie> desktop settings, yes
[09:47] <valorie> sorry, leaving....
[09:52] <Asach> but it appears in a widget view. can we make it look like Windows Desktop icons? sorry, fairly new here
[09:53] <lordievader> Asach: What valorie says achieves just that.
[09:56] <Asach> lordievader: thanks but I did just that... But there appears a widget like background behind the icons... I do not want it like that
[09:59] <lordievader> Here it just displays the icons. You are sure you are not using the folder view widget?
[10:03] <Asach> If I right click on the desktop, I see these options - run command, activities, unlock widgets, lock screen, leave, desktop settings
[10:04] <lordievader> Yeah, that sound like you added the folder view widget rather than setting the desktop mode to folder view.
[10:06] <Asach> I dont see an option to make it folder view :(
[10:07] <lordievader> Right click on the desktop -> desktop settings -> Layout -> folderview -> apply.
[10:09] <Asach> ha ha, I got my mistake, I had locked the widgets so couldn't enable folder view... Much thanks <Lordievader>
[10:09] <lordievader> ;)
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:13] <hazamonzo> Hi BluesKaj
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi hazamonzo
[12:24] <JediMaster> hi, I've got kubuntu 15.10 running fine on my laptop here (dell xps with intel + nvidia gpus), but I'm having problems with the login screen freezing after a few seconds on my desktop (nvidia gtx 970)
[12:25] <JediMaster> I've got the nvidia drivers installed, but when it switches to X, it shows the login screen, and for a few seconds the framerate is really slow (2-3 fps) then it freeze completely
[12:26] <JediMaster> the mouse cursor vanishes, and I can't ctrl-alt-f1 etc to get to the console, but in the first few seconds I can still switch out to the console, after that I have to hit the reset button
[12:27] <JediMaster> if it makes any difference, this is with dual 4k UHD monitors on display port
[12:27] <JediMaster> the odd thing is that occasically I've been able to log in, and as soon as it's logged in the weird framerate goes away and everything is fine, but now it's freezing so fast I can't log in
[12:28] <JediMaster> the clock on the login screen is now 12 minutes behind when I tried to log in
[12:28] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, install nvidia-prime
[12:29] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: this is on the desktop with a single GPU
[12:29] <JediMaster> IIRC prime is the bumblebee equivilant right?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> sort of , JediMaster you just decscribed an Optimus dual gpu setup "dell xps with intel + nvidia gpus"
[12:32] <JediMaster> actually I said that I've got it working fine in that setup, it's the nvidia only desktop that's causing the issue
[12:32] <JediMaster> normally I'd expect laptop issues with *ubuntu rather than desktop =)
[12:33] <JediMaster> just installing ssh server so I can see what's going on when it freezes
[12:36] <BluesKaj> I guess too much info confused me, perhaps more direct info about desktop was in order
[12:37] <BluesKaj> anyway recommend driver in system settings driver manager , if that's possible
[12:38] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: sorry got disconnected
[12:38] <BluesKaj> I guess too much info confused me, perhaps more direct info about desktop was in order
[12:38] <JediMaster> interesting, after swtiching from the console to X, 10 seconds later it froze completely (about 2fps before then), but so did SSH, I can no longer ping the iP of the machien
[12:38] <BluesKaj> anyway recommend driver in system settings driver manager , if that's possible
[12:39] <JediMaster> fairly sure I used the propriatory driver from the driver manager
[12:39] <JediMaster> ok, resetting again
[12:40] <JediMaster> if I switch into the console as soon as it goes into X, the machine doesn't crash
[12:40] <JediMaster> it's when I leave it on X for more than about 10 seconds the whole machine freezes up, no network response etc
[12:40] <JediMaster> can't even press the caps-lock button on the keyboard
[12:40] <BluesKaj> which nvidia driver?
[12:41] <JediMaster> nvidia-352-updates
[12:41] <JediMaster> prime is also installed it seems
[12:42] <JediMaster> maybe I'll try 352 instead
[12:43] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, don't use the updates, just the plain 352
[12:44] <JediMaster> yeah, doing it now
[12:46] <JediMaster> ok, I've --purge removed 352-updates and instsalled 352, rebooted, and same thing =/
[12:46] <JediMaster> can't ping the machien
[12:46] <JediMaster> *machine
[12:47] <JediMaster> shall I try 340 maybe?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, check the nvidia site to see what they reommend as a linuc driver then choose that on efrom the repos if available, thnk the 356 is more like it
[12:48] <JediMaster> right, use their packages directly
[12:48] <BluesKaj> not the nvidia sitesd driver , I mean the ubuntu version from the deb repos
[12:50] <BluesKaj> JediMaster,^
[12:51] <JediMaster> oh right, I couldn't see 356 from the official repos
[12:51] <BluesKaj> well if the 356 doesn't work the  drop to the 340, both from the repos
[12:52] <JediMaster> do you mean 352?
[12:52] <JediMaster> nvidia's site gives you 352 for linux
[12:53] <BluesKaj> oops 346
[12:53] <BluesKaj> sorry
[12:55] <JediMaster> no worries, going to try blacklisting the noveau drivers in modrpobe first
[12:56] <BluesKaj> don't think that's necessary, but that's your call
[12:57] <JediMaster> yeah, didn't help
[12:57] <BluesKaj> the 340 works fine on my entry level GT218, so it should work on your fancier gpu
[12:59] <JediMaster> what's the window manager for the login on kubuntu?
[12:59] <JediMaster> is it sddm?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> if you're on 15.04 or later
[13:01] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:15] <akhtar> Helo
[13:17] <JediMaster> meh, wireless =/ ok, now I'm connected via ethernet... I'm trying nvidia-340
[13:18] <JediMaster> well that is interesting
[13:18] <JediMaster> with nvidia-340 the console is now full screen, where as it was about 1/4 of the screen in the middle before (uhd monitors)
[13:18] <JediMaster> however, X doesn't want to start, it's just black
[13:19] <BluesKaj> startx?
[13:19] <akhtar> Helo master how to install themes for kubuntu
[13:20] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: comes up in low graphics mode, I see on the console: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_340': No such device
[13:20] <BluesKaj> akhtar, systemsettings>workspace theme
[13:21] <JediMaster> lots of Plasma crash dialogs, with a black screen behind
[13:21] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, nvidia-340
[13:22] <akhtar> ok thanks Blueskaj
[13:22] <BluesKaj> no underscore
[13:23] <JediMaster> that's the error that startx threw up
[13:23] <JediMaster> not me typing anything =)
[13:23] <JediMaster> nvidia-340 is installed
[13:23] <JediMaster> no freeze, just a black screen now
[13:24] <JediMaster> I can switch to console
[13:24] <akhtar> Hello I have two partition in my laptop Win and Ubuntu
[13:25] <akhtar> so every reboot ntfs drive not automatic mounting
[13:25] <akhtar> can somebosy give solution
[13:25] <BluesKaj> have you updated and upgraded lately? it could be a kernel module problem JediMaster
[13:25] <akhtar> #somebody
[13:25] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: it's a fresh install of Kubuntu 15.10
[13:26] <BluesKaj> akhtar, open a terminal, sudo update-grub
[13:26] <JediMaster> weird, X is moaning about not being able to load nouveau
[13:26] <JediMaster> I've got a USB stick with Kubuntu here, I'll try booting off that
[13:26] <BluesKaj> fresh install, but it may need upa=dating and upgrading , JediMaster
[13:27] <JediMaster> yeah done update && upgrade
[13:27] <BluesKaj> also dist-upgradew
[13:27] <JediMaster> yeah, no outstanding packages
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:28] <JediMaster> ah yes, I seem to remember having problems with the usb stick too
[13:28] <JediMaster> the monitor turns off when it starts x
[13:29] <JediMaster> actually not even the kubuntu logo, it's before X
[13:31] <akhtar> ok I'll try Blueskaj
[13:35] <hateball> JediMaster: 340 driver has no 970 support
[13:36] <JediMaster> ahh that probably doesn't help, thanks
[13:36] <hateball> JediMaster: I'd add this PPA https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa and grab the 355 driver
[13:36] <akhtar> i havebeen reboot linux and try still show error
[13:37] <akhtar> error mounting /dev/sda at /media....
[13:39] <lordievader> What error?
[13:39] <JediMaster> ok, trying nvidia-352, but going to tailf the xorg log file while it crashes on an ssh terminal
[13:40] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, run mvidia=xconfig
[13:40] <BluesKaj> nvidia-xconfig
[13:41] <akhtar> An error occurred while accessing 'Data', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sda4 at /media/akhtar/Data: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sda4" "/media/akhtar/Data"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0). Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/sda4': Operation
[13:41] <akhtar>  not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[13:41] <akhtar> that's error for mounting ntfs
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !paste > akhtar
[13:42] <JediMaster> ok, this may not be gpu related
[13:42] <JediMaster> akhtar: that sounds like you suspended or hibernated windows, reboot, shut it down and try again
[13:43] <BluesKaj> akhtar, you might need to disable sleep in your Windows install
[13:43] <lordievader> akhtar: Did your Windows crash? Since this is a common error if an ntfs partition wasn't unmounted properly.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> lordievader, hibernation takes over on some windows installs instead of shutdown, it has to ne disabled
[13:47] <akhtar> No windows haad been shutdown
[13:47] <akhtar> i have  OS
[13:47] <akhtar> i have 2 OS
[13:47] <akhtar> Win and Ubuntu
[13:48] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Same problem, hibernation/sleep doesn't unmount the partition.
[13:48] <lordievader> akhtar: Reboot to Windows and cleanly shut it down again.
[13:48] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: this is what happens every time I reboot, go to the console (before X crashes), then from ssh tailf the syslog the instant I switch to ctrl-alt-f7: http://pastebin.com/VDAQ5UiH
[13:50] <BluesKaj> akhtar,boot into windows and do this: http://pastebin.ca/3277114
[13:52] <JediMaster> and running out of power on your laptop also doesn't help
[13:53] <JediMaster> so, I'm thinking this crash as X starts up is more likely USB or network related given the syslog entries as I ctrl-alt-f7 in
[13:54] <JediMaster> the last entries straight before the crash are avahi-daemon, NetworkManager, dhclient
[13:55] <lordievader> Correlation does not indicate causality ;)
[13:55] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, I'm nor seeing anything helpful in the pastebin
[13:56] <JediMaster> lordievader: true, and I've verified, that networkmanager is running and I have a network connection if I ctrl-alt-f1 very quickly at the start and it doesn't crash until I go back into X
[13:57] <JediMaster> dhclient, NetworkManager and avahi are all running
[13:57] <lordievader> JediMaster: Have you already pasted an X log?
[13:57] <JediMaster> not yet, let me try
[13:58] <JediMaster> http://pastebin.com/v4qHk6b0 that is just now, I have ctrl-alt-f1'ed into the terminal, I can ssh into the machine, no problems
[13:59] <JediMaster> on ssh I'm going to tailf the log while I ctrl-alt-f7 in and see what comes up
[13:59] <lordievader> JediMaster: Why is nomodeset set?
[14:00] <JediMaster> ahh yes, that's because it won't boot at all without it
[14:00] <JediMaster> let me turn it off and try again
[14:01] <lordievader> That setting usually creates a lot of problems with the closed source drivers.
[14:01] <lordievader> X doesn't seem to crash by the way. Or at least not in that log.
[14:02] <JediMaster> ok, without it it does seem to boot, then crashed again 5 seconds into the login screen
[14:02] <JediMaster> I had to set it to get the kubuntu usb stick to work
[14:03] <JediMaster> lordievader:  http://pastebin.com/NV7Hw9d1 this is post ctrl-alt-f7
[14:03] <JediMaster> lordievader: also nice nick =)
[14:04] <hateball> JediMaster: did you try 355 yet
[14:05] <JediMaster> hateball: where can you get it from, I only see 350 in the official ubuntu repos and nvidia's own download is 350
[14:05] <hateball> JediMaster: I gave you a link to https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:05] <JediMaster> ah thanks, sorry I got disconnected a few times earlier
[14:05] <hateball> 352 is what is in 15.10
[14:06] <hateball> and it *should* work with 970, but you never know since it is quite a new card. also the fact you're on a hybrid setup
[14:07] <JediMaster> hateball: I'm actually on a single gpu 970 setup
[14:07] <JediMaster> I'm trying it now thanks
[14:10] <hateball> JediMaster: oh. maybe I misread something making me think you were on a hybrid setup
[14:10] <hateball> JediMaster: anyhow, 355 is flawless for me, so if things are still broken it is possible... it is something else :p
[14:13] <BluesKaj> hateball, the 355 isn't in the repos
[14:13] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: ppa
[14:14] <BluesKaj> well , if the 352 won't run .....
[14:15] <hateball> The whole point is the card is new, so 340 wont run it at all. 352 *should* work, but
[14:15] <BluesKaj> think it's his displayport to monitor connection
[14:16] <BluesKaj> can't hurt to try the ppa I guess
[14:17] <hateball> I use HDMI so I can't say anything about displayport related issues
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yeah, I use dvi>hdmi cable
[14:20] <JediMaster> fingers crossed
[14:20] <JediMaster> 352 installed and rebooting....
[14:20] <JediMaster> no, same freeze, 5 seconds into the login screen
[14:20] <hateball> Thought it was 352 you already used?
[14:20] <JediMaster> duh, yeah, sorry I installed the wrong one, meh, it's a monday
[14:21] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, maybe the 355/ppa is worth a try
[14:21] <JediMaster> I meant to =)
[14:26] <JediMaster> hateball: that's sorted it
[14:27] <hateball> marvelous
[14:27] <JediMaster> 355 doesn't crash, strangely I get around 1 fps on the login screen, then everything is fine
[14:27] <JediMaster> which I was getting before
[14:27] <lordievader> Nice ;)
[14:27] <lordievader> Too new of a card thus?
[14:28] <JediMaster> I've had my 970 for quite a while
[14:28] <JediMaster> it worked on 14.04
[14:28] <JediMaster> maybe it's display port related (dual 4k UHD screens)
[14:29] <JediMaster> or the other quirk is they're G-Sync monitors
[14:29] <lordievader> Ohhh, nice :D
[14:29] <JediMaster> which I've seen strange refresh rate issues on windows in certain games with certain settings
[14:51] <rodrigomatias> I realized that there is not more updates on kde packages, there was a problem in packaging?
[14:52] <rodrigomatias> I'm going out for lunch, if I can help with anything.
[14:53] <lordievader> rodrigomatias: If you want to help out you should ask in #kubuntu-devel ;)
[15:03] <aluno1> oi
[15:04] <aluno2> oi
[15:06] <lordievader> ?
[15:21] <fenyx> Hi, after fresh install the "kdesudo systemsettings5" command shows me this > http://img.pixady.com/2015/12/594881_snapshot1.png
[15:22] <fenyx> and "kdesudo dolphin" looks like this and seems to be not working at all for its main purpose (browsing files) > http://img.pixady.com/2015/12/353897_snapshot2.png
[15:23] <fenyx> What could I do to solve this?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> fenyx, what about your /home/user?
[15:27] <lordievader> fenyx: Is there any reason you need to run those things as root?
[15:34] <fenyx> "fenyx, what about your /home/user" what do you mean? I didn't modify anything yet so my home folder is untouched yet
[15:37] <fenyx> "fenyx: Is there any reason you need to run those things as root?" thanks to answer a question to a question, lol. Yes there is some reasons. And above all I've always been able to start Dolphin as root from KDE, so why should it change? If I open any app as root like leafpad or Kate, I want to be able to set its appearence, just as an example.
[15:39] <fenyx> I understand why starting a session as root is bad, but why starting a root app occasionnally wouldn't be possible? Isn't Linux the freedom land anymore? :)
[15:42] <fenyx> I can open file manager as root in Gnome 3 so it is only a KDE related problem. I prefer KDE, that's my weakness
[15:43] <fenyx> So what can i do? install a missing package or something?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> fenyx, it is strange that your root  options are blocked tho
[15:43] <lordievader> Running gui applications as root is allways finnicky. What likely happens/happened is that the root session has a different configuration which sets icons that cannot be found.
[15:46] <fenyx> lordievader, that's why I've set breeze icons or different icon sets in systemsettings5 open as root, it usually solves appearence issues
[15:47] <lordievader> You could run an strace with the -e open option. Then you can see what it tries to open/what it fails to find.
[15:47] <fenyx> BluesKaj, yes appearence is a thing. But the fact that dolphin couldn't browse "/" is really weird
[15:48] <fenyx> lordievader, super! at least the beginning of something. Will try now
[15:48] <BluesKaj> fenyx, so you have / and /home partitions
[15:50] <fenyx> BluesKaj, no my home is not on a separate partition, only /boot is in its separate ext2 partition
[15:58] <fenyx> lordievader, I've pasted the result of "strace -e open kdesudo dolphin" here > https://paste.kde.org/pffjxzab1
[16:00] <fenyx> Could my problem be related to "QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to /tmp/runtime-root"?
[16:01] <lordievader> fenyx: I was about to point to that line. Along with the null pixmap, that is why there are no icons.
[16:02] <lordievader> The XDG_RUNTIME_DIR should probably set to /run/user/0. This shows one of the pitfalls when running things as root ;)
[16:07] <fenyx> lordievader, Do you think that setting this XDG_RUNTIME_DIR could generate my problems than solutions?
[16:07] <fenyx> *more problems
[16:07] <lordievader> If set correctly it should do no harm. However I do not think that that is the acual problem, rather an indication of a problem.
[16:08] <lordievader> The problem lies, more likely, in the fact that whatever is responsible for setting those environment variables (most likely plasmashell) does not set them for the root user.
[16:21] <fenyx> lordievader, I've searched on the web and from what I've found I've started the "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY dolphin" but even this way the result is exactly the same
[16:22] <lordievader> I don't think that that command ever sets the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR...
[16:23] <rattking> Hi all.. Hows the stability of plasma 5 these days in kubuntu? I backed off to 4 around 15.04 ish due to plasma 5 being crashy.. but now my ssd is failing and I need to install a OS on a new one
[16:32] <BluesKaj> rattking, plasma on 15.10 is relatively stable ..and how old is your ssd ? I just installed one a month ago .
[16:33] <rattking> 3 years I think
[16:35] <BluesKaj> rattking, hope mine lasts a ittle longer, but I had a hdd die after 3yrs, a WD 1TB HDD
[16:37] <rattking> I hope soo too.. I do a lot of writing..  but now I am finding I often cant write to files.. and unexplained (no system crashes) FS corruption
[16:37] <BluesKaj> rattking, have you run smart tools on the ssd?
[16:38] <rattking> yep.. it 'passed' but that doesnt mean too much
[16:38] <sjattah> isn't KDE supposed to start .xprofile when I log in?
[16:43] <NoCode> what package is Raleigh in? GTK theme I guess.
[17:18] <fenyx> lordievader, "I don't think that that command ever sets the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR.." yes but I'm searching the web again and again and find no solution. I see some tips about visudo and /etc/sudoers, and about removing the ~/.Xauthority file that will be regenerated. Does it look like serious tracks to a solution?
[17:19] <fenyx> (never had this issues with openSUSE KDE, I'm wasting my whole afternoon on a simple thing like this, never had to do that)
[17:19] <fenyx> Please help
[17:20] <fenyx> echo $HOME as root returns '/root'
[17:22] <fenyx> echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR as root returns just an empty line, I understand better the original question about Home by BluesKaj
[17:23] <fenyx> echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR as normal user returns '/run/user/1000'
[17:24] <fenyx> sudo cat /etc/sudoers returns this: https://paste.kde.org/pee4lmdqc
[17:33] <fenyx> nobody with an idea?
[17:36] <fenyx> Ok will go back to openSUSE or I may abandon KDE. Too much hours passed to make simple things work, KDE makes me so frustrated while I've never used another DE. I regret the incapibilities of KDE/Ubuntu teams to make things simple. Bye
[19:30] <SomeGuy> Hi. I'm looking for some basic advice about running Kubuntu on newer hardware. I'm not normally a Linux user, but come from an OSX background.
[19:31] <SomeGuy> Newer hardware meaning new laptops or ultrabooks.
[19:32] <SomeGuy> I've been dissapointed by Kubuntu on an older Lenovo IdeaPad S205 machine: EFI and grunt problems, video driver problems, screen flickering, had to disable composer, laptop cannot sleep, thinks like that.
[19:32] <SomeGuy> Do you think these would go away on a newer machine?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, which graphics first of all?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> i have a Lenovo G500 with Kubuntu 15.10 using intel graphics and it runs fine.
[19:37] <SomeGuy> hi BluesKaj, it may be this particular model, but my experience was not very pleasant
[19:37] <SomeGuy> i think i have ati graphics
[19:38] <BluesKaj> to make sure run, lspci | grep VGA
[19:38] <SomeGuy> the screen flickering and artefacts were a headache for a few days. disabling composer sort of fixed that, but plasma doesn't look as nice now
[19:38] <SomeGuy> i can't troubleshoot right now, i'm on a different laptop
[19:38] <SomeGuy> will try that
[19:39] <SomeGuy> i'm not good with linux, but i'm sort of a power user myself and usuly know my way around forums or troubleshooting guides
[19:40] <SomeGuy> but these few days drove me nuts... I was in here a couple of days ago asking about the "my laptop freezes instead of waking from sleep" problem. I think you were among the responders
[19:43] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, I'm not familiar with composer so i don't know how it may affect your graphics and my experience with ati/amd graphics is very limited
[19:44] <SomeGuy> ok. is there any way i can check compatibility, are there lists somewhere or something like that? should i just watch reviews or kubuntu on youtube or what? i'm interested in understanding if kubuntu is mature enough to run almost out of the box on a new system i would buy. no brand preference or anything.
[19:53] <BluesKaj> there are no particular brands that support linux unless you research system76, but iirc they run ubuntu with unity pre-installed , but there are ubuntu certified brands http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[19:55] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, and as far as kde is concerned , we're sort of on our own
[20:01] <SomeGuy> what does that mean, "on our own"? I'm fond of the new KDE plasma, it's actually the reason i would give linux a try again, after trying ubuntu, which came close
[20:02] <SomeGuy> i always found the linux guis rather... ugly. but this one looks very close to what i imagine a desktop environment should look like. and the amount of configuration options, oh boy!
[20:07] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, it means the kubuntu community depends on a group of dedicated developers who are much smaller in number than those at ubuntu/canonical and are a separate group supported by Blue Systems
[20:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.blue-systems.com/projects/
[20:08] <SomeGuy> i get it. i'm not making demans or anything :) so you're saying ubuntu would support a wider range of hardware configs?
[20:10] <SomeGuy> i'm just gonna shoot some questions at you. sorry if some of them seem dumb... but is KDE connected to kubuntu? can you run KDE on ubuntu?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> not necessarily
[20:11] <BluesKaj> yes you can run KDE on Ubuntu, the default desktop is Unityl, but if you install kubuntu-desktop you can choose which desktop to use at the login page
[20:11] <BluesKaj> and vice-versa
[20:12] <BluesKaj> !kde
[20:12] <BluesKaj> !unity
[20:13] <SomeGuy> thank you, that make things more clear
[20:13] <SomeGuy> so can you run plasma kde on any other distros?
[20:14] <lordievader> SomeGuy: I run Plasma5 on Gentoo. You should be able to compile Plasma on any (sane) distro.
[20:14] <BluesKaj> yes kde is a dektop environment available on most linux distros , not all but quite a few
[20:14] <SomeGuy> hmm. so installing kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu would sort of look like kubuntu? what part of kubuntu would i loose?
[20:15] <lordievader> SomeGuy: None. Installing that package installs, well, the Kubuntu desktop ;)
[20:16] <SomeGuy> ok. so say i'm really font of plasma5. what would you recommend running it on? i need lamp to run on it and not much else except email and stuff
[20:16] <SomeGuy> *fond
[20:16] <SomeGuy> or is that too much a matter of opinion?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> kubuntu 14.04 LTS runs plasma4 and will do evrything you need as well
[20:17] <SomeGuy> is there any reason not to run the lates kubuntu?
[20:18] <BluesKaj> it also has a more configurable desktop than plasma 5 IMO
[20:19] <SomeGuy> yeah, sorry if this sound strange, but does it look as good? :) i'm a web developer myself, i like nice things...
[20:19] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, well being a webdev then you know that looks are a matter of taste first of all
[20:21] <SomeGuy> sure, sure. but come on, plasma 5 looks good. maybe it's got it's quirks, but most environments for linux are not famouse for their looks... or maybe i wasn't exposed to the right ones
[20:22] <SomeGuy> anyway, things are much clearer now. so i can run kde on something else and i need to decide on the distro
[20:22] <SomeGuy> tell me again, why would anyone run an older version of kubuntu? any reason not to go with 15.10?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> personally i prefer plasma4 , there are more "looks/themes" available
[20:23] <BluesKaj> have you tried 15.10 yet? I'm thinking of you gpu
[20:23] <BluesKaj> your
[20:23] <SomeGuy> that;s what i'm on. 15.10
[20:24] <BluesKaj> you can burn the iso to a disk or to usb sticj a "try kubuntU"
[20:24] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:25] <PyPie> hello
[20:25] <PyPie> anyone here?
[20:25] <SomeGuy> ok. thank you for the info, that was nice. and thanks everyone. i might be back for more in the next few days. see ya.
[20:25] <BluesKaj> ok, good luck
[20:26] <PyPie> how do you guys enter an en dash by using a Compose Key?
[20:26] <PyPie> my Compose Key is the Right Ctrl
[20:27] <PyPie> then I press&hold Right Ctrl and type two hyphens and release the Right Ctrl
[20:27] <PyPie> nothing happens
[20:27] <PyPie> if I press the hyšhen 3 times, I get an em dash, not what I want
[20:27] <BluesKaj> use the minus key on the numberpad with the right ctrl key
[20:27] <PyPie> —
[20:28] <BluesKaj> --
[20:28] <PyPie> -
[20:28] <PyPie> --
[20:28] <PyPie> ---
[20:28] <PyPie> —
[20:28] <PyPie> —
[20:28] <PyPie> ——
[20:28] <BluesKaj> or justthe minus key to the left of the backaspace/delete without ctl
[20:29] <BluesKaj> --------
[20:29] <PyPie> those are not en dashes
[20:29] <PyPie> what you just typed are hyphens
[20:29] <PyPie> - is a hyphen
[20:30] <PyPie> — is an en dash
[20:30] <PyPie> —— is an em dash
[20:30] <BluesKaj> hephens dashes, it makes no difference in text
[20:30] <PyPie> YES IT DOES!
[20:31] <BluesKaj> unless you're wring code I guess, but I wouldn't kno...I'm not a coder
[20:31] <BluesKaj> writing
[20:31] <PyPie> that's why everything is fucked up because of guys like you don't give a shit about the distinction between these 3 marks
[20:33] <BluesKaj> don't blame me, if you kubuntu help that's fine , but otherwise you should ask elsewhere, like ##linux maybe
[20:33] <BluesKaj> need
[21:10] <keithzg> Looks like the wrong dashes to me; – is an en dash, not —, which contrary to PyPie's claim is actually an em dash (PyPie's example of an em dash appears to just be two em dashes after eachother).
[21:12] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I sent him to ##linux and and he wouldn't acept their suggestions and made a fool of himself by yelling and using foul language and then he was banned
[21:13] <BluesKaj> we were spared the same behaviour
[21:15] <BluesKaj> and those guys are lot more tolerant of bad behavoir than most chats
[21:15] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Fair enough. Yeah he seemed to already be verging that way here near the end. Wonder if his blatant misuse of the terms in question betrayed a troll-y agenda or just anger issues. Oh well, c'est la vie and das ist mir wurst and all that ;)
[21:17] <BluesKaj> keithzg, think he was already quite frustrated by the lack of answers, and making the wrond assumption about en dash
[21:20] <BluesKaj> anyway it's been a long day again ...think I'm gonna close up shop for today....later
[21:20] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Take care
[21:29] <mustang> can someone point me in, around, or about the genpmk package
[21:30] <mustang> im trying to crack my wifi password here at the office, just to see if I can, and I was going to use genpmk to generate a rainbow table for my ssid
[23:07] <asdrubal> #reddit-comicbooks