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hikikoHello!05:52
didrocksgood morning05:56
hikikogood morning didrocks06:32
didrockshey hikiko06:35
pittiGood morning06:42
* pitti hugs didrocks06:42
* didrocks hugs pitti back06:42
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seb128good morning desktopers07:40
pittibonjour seb128 !07:45
larsu_happy Monday!07:55
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seb128salut pitti07:55
seb128hey larsu07:55
seb128wie gehts?07:55
larsuseb128: great thanks! Just came back from the gym. And you?07:56
seb128I'm good, thanks!07:56
seb128you have an early start today :-)07:56
larsuindeed. Faina had to be at the airport early and I shared her cab to the gym :)07:58
larsusince I was awake anyway....07:59
seb128I see07:59
TrevinhoMorning08:07
seb128hey Trevinho! how are you?08:10
Trevinhoseb128: well today I was supposed not to work (ad time or tomorrow is a national holiday here), but my plan failed :-/08:15
seb128Trevinho, oh, not sure how much your worked but you should stop there and go enjoy your day!08:16
Trevinhoseb128: no I didn't take this day off, so I've to ;-)08:18
seb128oh ok08:18
seb128well you can still take it off, or swap it08:19
seb128pitti, can you fix https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/libdbusmenu/+pots/libdbusmenu/de/2/+translate ?08:19
seb128bug #152293408:20
ubot5bug 1522934 in language-pack-gnome-de (Ubuntu) "LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Translation has an invalid value" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152293408:20
seb128it's just a de translation to validate08:20
seb128(I think you are in the right team for doing changes?)08:20
pittiseb128: do you know, should it actually include the "ltr" string, i. e. is that some kind of constant referred to in other parts of the UI?08:37
pittiseb128: "ltr" does not mean anything in German (or any non-English language for that matter)08:37
seb128pitti, no, it's a marker for the code to know what mode it's in, not a visible thing08:37
seb128I wonder if they could get that info from the locale08:37
seb128it feels weird to rely on translations for it08:37
pittiseb128: ok, I dropped the ltr, and accepted the better one08:38
seb128pitti, sorry, I think I was unclear, it needs to be "ltr" or "rtl"08:39
seb128as the comment states08:39
pittiurgh08:39
pittiok, sorry, misunderstoof08:39
seb128pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dbusmenu-team/libdbusmenu/trunk.15.10/view/head:/libdbusmenu-glib/server.c#L68008:39
seb128code speaks better :p08:39
pittidone08:40
pittiyeah, doing this in a project like dbusmenu is totally sick08:40
pittinot sure if the locale exposes that, but it08:40
pitti... should indeed be in a central place by language08:40
duflupitti: You know in some regions (like Australia) "totally sick" means extremely good/fun/exciting08:41
seb128pitti, seems like GTK does the same :-/08:42
seb128https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/gtkmain.c#n118808:42
seb128  gchar            *e   = _("default:LTR");08:42
seb128pitti, thanks for fixing it!08:44
pittide rien!08:45
larsuhi pitti!08:45
seb128pitti, how is Lyon btw?08:45
seb128had a fun w.e?08:45
pittiseb128: en fait ! nous avons marché 20 km samedi et dimanche, c'était bien08:46
pittiseb128: hier nous avons revu hadess, il habite près de didrocks08:46
pittiseb128: quick googling didn't reveal anything, seems the general recommendation is actually to hardcode the 8 to 9 languages that use RTL08:47
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seb128pitti, I guess that would be another option, the current one sort of work though, if it has an incorrect translation it defaults to LTR08:52
willcookemorning all08:54
pittiseb128: *nod*08:55
pittiseb128: it's just not that reliable to rely on translators actually catching all 9 languages in all of these projects08:55
pittihey willcooke08:55
willcookehey pitti08:55
didrockshey willcooke08:55
seb128pitti, yeah, good point...08:55
seb128hey willcooke08:56
willcookemorning didrocks seb12808:56
larsumorning didrocks! How was your weekend?08:56
larsuhi willcooke! How are you?08:56
willcookehey larsu, good thanks!08:56
willcookelarsu, was the dentists ok?08:56
pittihey larsu, wie gehts?08:56
didrockslarsu: hey! was nice, a lot of walking with pitti and chatting ;)08:56
didrockshow was your's?08:56
larsuwillcooke: need two fillings and a trip to a orthodontist08:57
larsupitti: great! Feel good after gym this morning08:57
willcookelarsu, could be worse :)08:58
larsudidrocks: was nice as well. Went to see my niece08:58
larsuwillcooke: heh, indeed08:58
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Laneyahoy there09:02
larsumoin Laney! How is it going?09:02
Laneyhey larsu!09:05
Laneygoing well09:05
Laneywent walking in wales at the weekend09:05
larsuoh nice!09:06
Laneycaught the south end of this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-3502048709:06
Laneywasn't actually flooded where we were09:07
Laneybut so much rain09:07
Laneyand dear god the wind09:07
Laney100km/h09:07
davmor2less beans for Laney09:07
Laneybeans????09:08
davmor2Laney: have you never seen blazing saddles cut down on the wind by eating less beans09:09
Laneyoh no sorry :(09:09
davmor2Laney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs09:10
didrocksgood morning Laney09:10
seb128hey Laney09:13
Sweet5harkmoin09:20
Laneyhey didrocks seb12809:21
Laneyhow's it going?09:21
didrocksgood, yourself?09:22
LaneySUPER!09:22
seb128great ;-)09:23
seb128what does "%'d" means for printf?09:52
seb128e.g09:52
seb128ngettext ("Deleting %'d file",09:52
seb128                                           "Deleting %'d files",09:52
seb128                                           source_info->num_files);09:52
larsuseb128: integer09:55
larsuunsigned, to be precise09:55
larsuoh wait. you're asking about the '09:55
* larsu shuts up and reads the man page09:55
larsuseb128: it's for thousands grouping09:56
seb128in what manpage did you find it?10:00
seb128I didn't find it in man 3 printf10:00
seb128but maybe I didn't look right10:00
Laneyit's in there10:01
Laneylook for "thousands' grouping"10:01
seb128oh, right10:02
seb128I searched for "%'"10:02
seb128thanks10:02
Laney"1.234.567,89" in the da_DK locale10:02
* Laney screams10:02
seb128now to understand why launchpad doesn't like it :-/10:02
seb128https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/gl/180/+translate10:02
seb128it's doing %'d10:02
seb128it's fine in the template http://launchpadlibrarian.net/228488052/nautilus.pot10:04
pittiLaney: just FYI, I'm on top of the cloud sorry-ness, so delete the mails up to now10:04
Laneyhey pitti10:05
Laneypitti: okay, what's going on?10:05
pittiLaney: so the ppc64 one is the new 4.4 kernel in the PPA which apparently breaks reboots; I killed these PPA tests for now, and will get a console-log etc.10:06
pittiLaney: I'm just deploying some new ssh setup script to do that automatically in such cases10:06
pittiLaney: just when PS4.5 went down.. but it's back up now10:06
Laneywe use a PPA kernel?10:07
pittiLaney: no, this is for tests against the kernel PPA (which has linux 4.4)10:09
Laneypitti: oh right, that's a good test result then10:10
pittiLaney: kind of, yes, just an unfortunate failure mode10:10
pittiLaney: apparently not ppc64el, though: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-asic0x10:13
davmor2Laney: seb128: the new nautilus landing the icons are huge http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/big-new-nautilus.png10:18
seb128davmor2, yes, upstream design choice10:18
seb128feel free to comment on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74844110:18
ubot5Gnome bug 748441 in Views: Icon View "Icons too large for Natilus/Files" [Normal,Needinfo]10:18
seb128they seem to think it's alright10:19
pittiLaney: oh, and the other things are that there's a bunch of undeletable instances on bos01 (which use quota) and I can't create newer images on lcy01, and we also don't have imports of xenial cloud images; I have some 4 RTs pending now10:19
Laneypitti: haha, oh dear10:19
pittiisn't it fun :)10:19
larsuseb128: can't we just set a different default?10:20
seb128larsu, it's not in gsettings, it's a code patch, but sure we can patch that10:20
seb128still would be nicer if upstream reconsidered10:20
seb128also when we patch things it makes some of us sad10:20
larsuoh, I thought it was just a different initial zoom10:21
larsuya patch is bad10:21
seb128larsu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1522316/comments/310:21
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1522316 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Icons are too big" [High,Triaged]10:21
seb128basically10:21
seb128the current slider doesn't give you small values10:22
larsuhm, aday says it's the same number of icons10:22
larsujust bigger and less spacing10:22
seb128that's probably true10:22
seb128doesn't change the "in your face" feeling10:22
davmor2seb128: on a plus side I'm not getting the glitch I had on the launcher any more where the % transferred meter remained up even though it had finished transferring10:22
seb128it also means with that the same spacing and smaller icons you could get more on screen10:23
larsuseb128: I don't particularly care about that :)10:23
larsuseb128: it's not true though. those are really *huge*10:25
seb128yeah :-/10:25
xnoxdarkxst, now that gdm3 took over packages from gdm, should gdm be removed?10:36
xnoxseb128, Laney ^10:36
xnoxcause rebuilding gdm, now fails to upload into the archive =(10:36
Laneydon't ask me10:36
darkxstxnox, yes gdm source should be removed from xenial archive10:37
darkxstI kinda assumed archive admins would have done that when approving the new gdm3 source10:38
xnoxdarkxst, i don't think so. removals are processed from debian, and from lp bugs... it should be flagged up on the reports but not sure.10:39
xnoxi'll file AA removal request.10:39
darkxstxnox, there is no gdm source in debian!10:40
xnoxsure, but that didn't happen right about now ;-)10:40
xnoxand i just uploaded gdm that fails to upload the build =)10:41
darkxstLaney, ^ can you remove it ?10:42
darkxstor didrocks?10:42
xnoxbug #1523441 -> it will be processed eventually10:46
ubot5bug 1523441 in gdm (Ubuntu) "[RM] [ROM] superseeded by gdm3" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152344110:46
didrocksdone10:47
darkxstthanks didrocks10:48
didrocksyw :)10:49
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andyrock_morning all11:17
willcookehey andyrock_11:36
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qenghogood morning12:30
seb128hey qengho andyrock12:32
seb128xnox, could you propose your uploaded changes against the corresponding vcses?12:38
seb128xnox, there is at least libdbusmenu and unity-settings-daemon that you uploaded without submitting back12:38
xnoxsi12:39
seb128thanks12:39
xnoxseb128, libdbusmenu should be fixes upstream to resolve the critical FTBFS that are opened since a while....12:40
xnoxe.g. bug #142929112:40
xnox..12:40
xnox..12:40
seb128right, it's not a reason to get the vcs out of sync with the distro12:40
ubot5bug 1429291 in libdbusmenu (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on Ubuntu Vivid due to hang in test-json-instruction" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142929112:40
xnox..12:40
xnoxubot5, you hate mondays too, don't you? =)12:40
ubot5xnox: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)12:40
seb128xnox, unity-settings-daemon is a packaging fix and there is no reason you needed to bypass the vcs12:41
seb128also you might derail ongoing landing by doing that12:41
seb128please use the proper protocol and ask the people who look after the packages rather than doing things in a way that screw others12:42
xnoxseb128, I did $ debcheckout libdbusmenu -> and it gave me a stale raring branch....12:42
xnoxseb128, how is that supposed to work?12:42
seb128debcheckout on unity-settings-daemon gives you the right thing12:43
seb128and by looking at libdbusmenu you can see that it's going through CI landings12:43
seb128commits or debian/changelog tells you that12:43
xnoxseb128, i don't see a point to ci landings for something that gets uploaded only 3 times a year =)12:44
seb128xnox, forget about libdbusmenu then and let's discuss unity-settings-daemon12:45
seb128what's your excuse for that one?12:45
seb128it's properly maintained, has regular landing, a correct vcs refuse in the control12:45
seb128debcheckout give you the right vcs12:46
xnoxnah....12:46
seb128and you are on this channel12:46
xnoxlet's discuss libdbusmenu =)12:46
seb128you could have asked12:46
seb128lol12:46
xnoxwhy is it out of date Vcs fileds =) and why does it have 12.10.... version number? =)12:46
* xnox is here only to troll =)))))))))))))))12:46
seb128because it's a legacy component and not changing a lot nowadays12:46
seb128but a mp to fix those issues would be welcome12:46
seb128just let me know when you have one, I can help reviewing/landing it ;-)12:47
davmor2xnox: you have to listen to this now for trolling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaiEdBxrXu012:48
* xnox is enjoying the jingle12:50
xnoxdavmor2, is this what they danced to in the Mask ?! =)12:50
davmor2xnox: no12:51
xnoxseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/libdbusmenu/xnox-non-ci/+merge/27976712:52
seb128xnox, thanks12:52
xnoxhttps://youtu.be/tLZQ_xQEHGY -> love it12:53
* xnox ponders to get banana suit, OMG this is so Minion way before minions too =)12:53
davmor2xnox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yqAaejuRn812:55
xnoxhttps://youtu.be/BROWqjuTM0g12:56
davmor2xnox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQC7dweRTKU12:59
xnoxdavmor2 you win !13:00
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desrtgood morning, desktop13:18
seb128hey desrt!13:24
seb128had a good w.e?13:24
desrtyes.  very.13:27
desrthad a very good entire week, in fact13:28
desrtcollabora was extremely welcoming, saturday was a day of some very nice ingressing and then sunday was a day of some very nice esperantoing :)13:28
desrthow was your weekend?13:29
seb128great!13:30
* desrt is suddenly unhappy13:32
seb128my w.e was fun, played some tennis and had a fondue on friday, had dinner with friends and played board games on saturday and didn't do a lot on sunday13:32
seb128oh?13:32
desrtjust opened ingress.  my neighbourhood is very green this morning :p13:32
seb128haha13:32
willcooke:D13:32
desrtseb128: meeting new people in .nl?13:33
LaneyI want a fondue13:33
seb128:-)13:33
desrti want a chocolatine....13:34
desrt....and Daruka's head on a stick13:34
* willcooke had two mince pies at lunchtime 13:34
* desrt goes for a short walk13:34
seb128desrt, yeah, I know a bunch of people here now ;-)13:34
desrtseb128: nice13:34
desrthow's the dutch? :)13:34
seb128going slowly :p13:35
seb128most people speak english13:35
desrtya13:35
desrtsomeone explained that to me the first time i was there13:35
seb128they even reply in english when you try to use dutch if they see it's not your native language13:35
seb128which annoys some people who speak better than me :p13:35
desrtthe NL is a small country, and because of that, they have these boxes that they install into every home13:35
seb128hehe13:36
desrtthe purpose of those boxes is for teaching children english13:36
desrti forget what they call them, but the english word for this object is "undubbed television"13:36
jpdsseb128: https://i.imgur.com/twAGdWG.jpg13:38
desrtif it makes you feel any better, i wish my french was better :p13:38
seb128:-)13:38
desrtcomic gold13:38
desrtmy experience with french is closer to either13:40
desrt"aww.. an obvious anglo is trying my language... that's nice, but i would be more helpful to this person if i just spoke english to them..."13:41
desrtor13:41
desrt"your hamfisted attempts at my language is an insult to me and you're wasting my time"13:41
desrteither way results in a lot of english spoken, in the end :(13:41
seb128:-(13:42
jpdsdesrt: You roastbeef13:42
desrtmeh.  i can kinda appreciate it.  it's not the job of people in restaurants to teach me a language :)13:42
desrtand i -am- wasting their time :p13:43
* desrt goes to grab some tasty chocolate pastries13:43
seb128desrt, enjoy!13:46
Trevinhoseb128: got no answer from pkg-config upstream, made an upstream bug and linked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/pkg-config/+bug/152350813:57
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1523508 in pkg-config (Ubuntu) "Building xorg-gtest fails with new pkg-config" [High,Triaged]13:57
seb128Trevinho, thanks, reading14:04
seb128Trevinho, did upstream say anything on the issue/what should change?14:04
Trevinhoseb128: got no reply via mail14:04
seb128Trevinho, oh, sorry, I misread14:06
seb128thanks for opening the bug!14:06
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desrtmy place downstairs is getting cocky14:28
desrt3 chocolate stripes in their chocolatine14:28
* desrt makes photographic proof before didrocks starts arguing non-existance14:29
didrocks3!14:29
didrockshow dare they?14:29
didrocks2 is the exact *right* balance14:30
desrthave you ever tried three?14:30
larsuhe wouldn't have, that's not "food"14:30
desrtthis is a great question, because both possible answers are an admission of defeat :)14:31
seb128it's not on the list14:32
didrocksnor on the recipe!14:32
didrocksthe approved one14:32
didrocksthe one and only of course! :)14:32
larsu(which is on the list)14:32
didrocks(obviously)14:33
desrtrumour has it, each day last week, i was in the bakery with the best baguette in the world (as decided by some international competition)14:34
desrtthey won it in some year -- the only year that it was given outside of france14:35
desrtof course, i can't actually find any online reference for this now :)14:35
larsu"of course"14:36
larsuyou probably dreamt it :P14:36
desrti was told it, very clearly14:37
* larsu is hungry now and eats a carrot14:37
desrti will press my source for [citation needed] :)14:37
seb128desrt, those guys are at least at marketing and made you believe what they were saying at least ;-)14:42
seb128good at marketing*14:42
seb128larsu, what was the outcome of the gtk hidpi/screenshot issue? the SRU is still waiting to get a new upload, we need to either drop the buggy change or fix it, did we agree on a way out?14:49
larsuseb128: ah right. Let me fix it now14:51
larsuI think I started on that already14:51
seb128larsu, I don't want to interrupt you in what you were doing, please finish and have a look next14:51
seb128or just tell me to drop the patch for now14:52
seb128we can do that in a follow up SRU later14:52
larsuno this is a good monday everning fix14:52
seb128k, thanks ;-à14:52
larsu"evening" (feels like it because it's getting dark here)14:52
seb128;-)14:52
seb128yeah, we have a nice day here, sky is blue but it's starting getting slowly into night mode as well14:53
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qenghohappyaron: how's the air tonight?14:58
larsuseb128: at least you have blue sky! *jealous*14:59
seb128hehe15:00
larsuours is #aaaaaa15:00
* ogra_ would rather call it #dfdfdf15:02
larsunot as bright anymore :P15:02
ogra_true :)15:02
larsubut you're more south than I am ;)15:02
* didrocks reboots15:09
didrocks\o/15:11
didrocksplymouth logo15:11
didrockswell, plymouth ubuntu theme15:11
seb128:-)15:12
seb128well done!15:12
didrocks;)15:12
didrocksI don't declare victory yet15:12
pitti*\o/*15:12
didrocksworking on desktop, working with text theme in a virtualbox vm15:12
didrocksand initramfs looks sane15:12
pittionly developer can get that excited about a net-zero visible change :)15:13
larsuseb128: actually drop the SRU - I'm changing the gtk patch anyway because of Company's comments15:13
didrocksbut let's see server and passphrase or whatnot15:13
didrockspitti: very true :)15:13
seb128larsu, ok, thanks15:13
hikikowow I just found a bug in intel driver :) I couldn't do the correct shadow shape because of that :s15:13
seb128report it upstream15:14
seb128they are usually good at responding15:14
hikikoyep, but I will do it after I finish it because I have to write a prog that demonstrates it15:14
hikiko(I can't send them unity :p)15:15
seb128right ;-)15:18
pittiLaney: FYI, if you run tests manually -- the nova setup script now treats the image parameter as a regexp, so you can just say "--image ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-adt-amd64-server" and it will pick the latest match16:01
Laneypitti: ah, great, is the worker using this too?16:08
xnoxdidrocks, could you please be so kind and kill gdm in xenial-proposed too?16:09
* xnox uploaded it hence it needed two removals *sorry*16:09
didrocksxnox: no worry, flushing in a sec16:14
pittiLaney: yes, I dropped the worker logic for finding the latest image and moved that into the setup script16:14
pittiLaney: that was part of generalizing the worker to get along with any virt-runner, not just lxc and ssh16:14
didrocksxnox: done!16:15
pittior lxc and nova, in that case16:15
xnoxdidrocks, thanks.16:15
didrocksyw16:15
Laneybye!18:09
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robert_ancellwillcooke, hi19:11
willcookehey robert_ancell19:19
willcookeg'night all19:28

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