[01:32] <daftykins> that nicomachus is so sensitive.
[01:35] <SeriouslyLaugh> everyone's fighting their own battle :\
[01:36] <daftykins> did you see that one though? just flips out and rage parts again over nothing
[01:36] <SeriouslyLaugh> yeah
[01:37] <daftykins> this is how i see it: "either give me the exact answer on a silver platter or i'm going to get upset"
[01:38] <SeriouslyLaugh> yeah, people tend to expect a path to the solution instead of spending the time to investigate options
[01:38] <daftykins> they were right there on the links...
[01:39] <SeriouslyLaugh> the worst is when you offer help on something and it doesn't work, then they come back to you like it's your job to offer another option
[01:39] <daftykins> the first involved adding a single config line, so could have been tested in 5 seconds
[01:39] <SeriouslyLaugh> that really irks me
[01:39] <daftykins> haha yeah looking up with puppy eyes
[01:39] <SeriouslyLaugh> more like arms crossed
[01:39] <daftykins> well that's common given the usual beginner atmosphere in there
[01:39] <SeriouslyLaugh> hm yeah it seems to be a theme
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-5-features-new-default-font-wayland-session-legacy-tray-icons-support-video-497275.shtml
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> morning
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> looks like the #gamingonlinux channel is pretty buys
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> busy
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !find 358.16
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> hey cfhowlett
[12:09] <cfhowlett> hidiho lotuspsychje
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: did you hear something on the ops yet?
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:10] <OerHeks> :-)
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> hi OerHeks
[12:10] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, no word.  I suspect I'm not worthy as I have been known to be concise to the point of rudeness - or so I'm told.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:10] <OerHeks> hi lotus BluesKaj cfhowlett
[12:10] <cfhowlett> greetings OerHeks
[12:11] <OerHeks> you, rude, cfhowlett ?
[12:11] <cfhowlett> shocking, isn't it?
[12:11] <OerHeks> why, did you say goodbye twice?
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: they dint mention that? thats your idea of it?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje, OerHeks, cfhowlett
[12:11] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, I have heard exactly NOTHING, but one of the ops informed me thus during a PM
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> ic
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: news for you? http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-5-features-new-default-font-wayland-session-legacy-tray-icons-support-video-497275.shtml
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> the #gamingonlinux channel is pretty cool too, alot of interesting grafix discussions
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> handy for support
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> another fav added :p
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys coffee + cake
[12:21] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, well , I remain cautiously optimistic that 5.5 will increase my enthusiasm for the plasma desktop
[13:13] <daftykins> afternoon all o/
[13:27] <daftykins> EriC^^: wb o/
[13:27] <EriC^^> ty daftykins
[13:28] <daftykins> ripping music CDs of opera is the hardest thing i think i've ripped... the naming is impossible :D
[13:28] <EriC^^> :D
[13:29] <EriC^^> what are the names like?
[13:32] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2gmb5of13wi6avz/IMG_20151208_132952.jpg?dl=0
[13:32] <daftykins> there's an example of a set of choices before you even get to all the italian track names D:
[13:33] <daftykins> it's like... ok so it's Verdi... but then it's actually an orchestra performing it headed by this guy... then there are 3 main names above performing presumably... argh!
[13:37] <daftykins> i'm used to Artist, Album Name, Year, track titles... done ;)
[13:38] <EriC^^> yikes
[13:38] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:39] <daftykins> this classical stuff is really quiet on the CDs too, i'm having to crank my speakers to hear it
[13:40] <EriC^^> :D
[13:40] <daftykins> ah another glorious Patch Tuesday ^_^
[13:41] <daftykins> lets see if Microsoft can avoid releasing one that ruins my clients systems today... ;)
[13:41] <EriC^^> did they release the big patch yet?
[13:41] <daftykins> which one is that?
[13:42] <EriC^^> you said they had a major patch coming out a couple weeks ago
[13:42] <daftykins> oh possibly the autumn build of Windows 10, yeah build 10586 is out
[13:42] <EriC^^> i think you said it was what windows was supposed to be when it released
[13:42] <daftykins> yeah that's the one :)
[13:43] <EriC^^> cool
[13:43] <daftykins> it's a bit of a mess right now, anyone that uses disk encryption (Windows' BitLocker) can't clean install from the new media, as it'll not let them use that function... so if you use it you have to install from 10240 build media, then upgrade
[13:43] <daftykins> i don't know anyone that does, though...
[13:43] <EriC^^> oh
[13:44] <EriC^^> i saw a thread yesterday about win10 editing some bios stuff causing dell pc's to show blank screens on starting up
[13:44] <daftykins> i've been playing with this Microsoft Surface Pro 4, but i really can't take it seriously as any kind of productive device - it's just a glorified tablet toy really :(
[13:44] <EriC^^> ah
[13:45] <daftykins> ah i've not heard about that one
[13:45] <BluesKaj> odd I just ran windows 10 update , nothing except the windows defender updated which is std
[13:45] <EriC^^> it must have updated earlier by itself i guess
[13:46] <EriC^^> check the build code maybe
[13:46] <daftykins> yeah patch tuesday only occurs at 9am pacific standard time, which is 6pm for me here in GMT/UTC 0
[13:46] <daftykins> have to wait for the folks in Seattle to wake up you see ;)
[13:46] <EriC^^> oh
[13:46] <daftykins> BluesKaj: yeah if you run 'cmd' it'll show 10586 if you're already on the autumn build update aka version '1511'
[13:47] <BluesKaj> daftykins, I am on 15/11
[13:48] <daftykins> ah right
[13:48] <daftykins> yep only... 4hrs ish to go then ;)
[13:48] <BluesKaj> ok then it's too early for everyone then
[13:48] <EriC^^> i found a cool pastebin recently
[13:48] <BluesKaj> it'll be noon here
[13:49] <EriC^^> echo bla | nc cwillu.com 10101
[13:49] <daftykins> EriC^^: my brain can't handle another! XD
[13:49] <EriC^^> the cool part is that it returns cwillu.com/<ip>/1
[13:50] <daftykins> ooh, our users could cry over that for privacy reasons though
[13:50] <EriC^^> and you can click to view all pastes, so whenever a user pastes, he doesn't have to give the new paste link
[13:50] <EriC^^> and all the pastes are on the same page and stuff
[13:51] <EriC^^> yeah, i thought it would be pretty cool if it could auto update somehow whenever he typed a command
[13:52] <EriC^^> so i came up with this, script -f /tmp/bla , and then in another terminal tail -f /tmp/bla | nc cwillu.com 10101
[13:52] <daftykins> :D
[13:52] <EriC^^> you get a real time view of his terminal, even if he doesn't press enter on a command
[13:52] <EriC^^> lol
[13:52] <daftykins> typos in realtime :O
[13:52] <EriC^^> haha yeah
[13:53] <daftykins> that guy from California i helped set up a web server VM the other day, he'd come back to me "nope that didn't work"
 err, did you typo...
[13:53] <daftykins> "yes"
[13:53] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:53] <EriC^^> yesterday somebody typed sudo parted -|
[13:53] <daftykins> oof :D
[13:53] <EriC^^> lol
[13:55] <daftykins> waaaaah the ripping software on my remote PC sends a horrible beep when complete
[13:55] <daftykins> that was a surprise :)
[13:56] <EriC^^> hehe
[13:58] <daftykins> there's something powerful about some of this classical stuff being so old and yet still so moving today, long after the composers have passed
[13:58] <daftykins> what a legacy :O
[13:59] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:59] <EriC^^> they're very powerful and stuff
[14:00] <EriC^^> beethoven was practically deaf when he made the 9th symphony :o
[14:01] <daftykins> mmm i should get more into classical, i've never really explored it
[14:01] <daftykins> i was just playing this from one of these CDs (they're not mine, just doing it for a client) because it sounds so good
[14:01] <daftykins> Pietro Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana- Intermezzo
[14:02] <cfhowlett> daftykins, willia tell & 1812 overtures.
[14:02] <cfhowlett> willia
[14:02] <cfhowlett> william
[14:02]  * EriC^^ listening on youtube
[14:03] <daftykins> :D
[14:03] <EriC^^> pretty soothing
[14:03] <daftykins> Mascagni one? takes until about 1.5 mins to get to the bit i recognised
[14:03] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:04] <EriC^^> man imagine the times these guys lived in
[14:06] <daftykins> i don't think i can, too much of my life revolves around tech
[14:06] <EriC^^> i was just picturing the titanic
[14:06] <daftykins> oh yeah that was around 1908ish wasn't it?
[14:07] <EriC^^> haha yeah
[14:08] <BluesKaj> I inheritedmost of  my parent's classical record collection and some of the vinyl is still good shape ... I put Tsaikovsky on the the turnatable now and then to bring back memories of my childhood :-)
[14:09] <daftykins> oh wow i didn't even notice autoplay skipped on... i really can't stand youtube's autoplay! i clear my browser cache regularly and so it never stays off :(
[14:09] <daftykins> BluesKaj: that's neat :D
[14:10] <BluesKaj> the 1812 overture is tour de force recording even today
[14:10] <BluesKaj> I'm still partial to vinyl when it come sto music
[14:11] <BluesKaj> classical music actually
[14:11] <daftykins> i've never heard any as it goes
[14:15] <BluesKaj> daftykins, go to a music store that sells vinyl and will demo an analog recording, I'm sure you'll understand why vinyl music lovers believe that analog brings the listener closer to the music and the spirit it was recorded in.
[14:15] <daftykins> mmm unfortunately i believe that's too subjective to the system used there, vs. my own
[14:15] <daftykins> what if theirs is worse or better, for example
[14:16] <daftykins> but no such place exists on my island, even
[14:16] <BluesKaj> of course it's subjective
[14:17] <BluesKaj> music isn't meant to objective, it's objective only to the critics
[14:17] <BluesKaj> to be
[14:17] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: did you mean the music was sound more distorted on the analog one?
[14:18] <EriC^^> *would
[14:18] <BluesKaj> anyway that's my take on it
[14:18] <daftykins> perhaps it was a bad choice of word, my point is that my frame of reference is my own setup
[14:20] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, perhaps a lttle more harmoniuc distortion , but it's usually quite low and not as objectionable to the ear as intermodulation distortion etc
[14:20] <EriC^^> yeah that's what i meant, that it'll sound like when it was recorded
[14:20] <EriC^^> so you get what the artist was hearing when he was making it
[14:21] <EriC^^> and the atmosphere of the song
[14:22] <BluesKaj> digital adds that upper frequency edgy sound that most vinyl lovers  don't like
[14:22] <daftykins> i need to source a new sub as the one on my TV setup is going wrong :/
[14:22] <daftykins> in fact i'm going to call someone i know about it
[14:22] <BluesKaj> mostly to do with sample rate artifacts
[14:23] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, you got it
[14:25] <BluesKaj> my old subwoofer is showing it's age ..using my mains full range instead ...more articulate bass
[14:30] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:36] <daftykins> :D
[14:46] <EriC^^> i'm getting hungry :O
[14:46] <daftykins> me too, only had a roll and a cup of tea so far, time to hunt for more :)
[14:46] <daftykins> ugh this next double CD has no info from online available ;_;
[14:46] <EriC^^> :)
[14:46] <EriC^^> hehe
[15:18] <daftykins> hmm termbin isn't working today
[15:23] <EriC^^> hmm
[15:23] <EriC^^> nc cwillu.com 10101 :D
[15:26] <daftykins> how do people hose their systems so badly D:
[15:39] <daftykins> < CoreM_> ANY STUPID HERE ?
[15:40] <daftykins> that's a classic
[15:40] <EriC^^> lol yeah
[15:59] <daftykins> xpistos is really trying my patience :(
[16:00] <EriC^^> people have some odd requests sometimes
[16:00] <OerHeks>  more demand style
[16:03] <EriC^^> i'm hungry again
[16:03] <EriC^^> :O
[16:05] <daftykins> that guy isn't even understanding these errors at all.
[16:07] <OerHeks> daftykins, i don't believe this guy, in this paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/13826351/   linux-headers-generic-pae              3.2.0.94.108                            Generic Linux kernel headers is installed
[16:08] <OerHeks> so what is really going on?
[16:08] <daftykins> it's a right mess XD
[16:09] <daftykins> i shouldn't have said to remove the newer headers packages when reclaiming inodes, in the original problem
[17:02] <daftykins> it's motaka! everyone hide!
[18:08] <EriC^^> there should be some how to setup a web development server online
[18:08] <daftykins> yeah a good VPS
[19:18] <daftykins> halloween has passed, you cannot be ubuntu touch!
[19:18] <EriC^^> haha
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[19:42] <daftykins> heya!
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[19:45] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phones-spotted-in-a-store-in-germany-at-just-1-with-contract-497189.shtml
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ :p
[19:46] <daftykins> :O
[19:46] <daftykins> i just heard mozilla are killing firefoxOS
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: indeed: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mozilla-Stops-Firefox-OS
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> all those seird os, i dont like them anyway
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> chromeos firefoxos,..
[20:53] <daftykins> yeah, i think there are enough out there already on mobile
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> #gamingonlinux is really usefull, alot of grafix discussions :p
[21:10] <EriC^^> i always ask which laptop is this when the proverbial hits the fan
[21:10] <EriC^^> but i've not written any of them down, haha
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:10] <EriC^^> i need to make a "do not buy" list of laptops
[21:10] <EriC^^> it seems the home-built pc's have these issues
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ive installed trusty on more then 70 boxes, they all working nicely
[21:11] <EriC^^> uefi?
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah many
[21:11] <daftykins> yeah a lot of the custom built stuff have bad EFI implementations i think
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> but all singleboot
[21:11] <EriC^^> yeah i think so too daftykins
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> i never do dualboots
[21:12] <lotuspsychje> i warn my users in advance
[21:12] <daftykins> when Rene went to remove Windows and put ubuntu on, i don't think the install did enough to nuke all traces of Windows - i like to wipe it with dd first and reboot again
[21:12] <daftykins> might be all in my mind, but i do it even when i'm wiping a factory 8.1 install and putting 10 on :)
[21:14] <daftykins> i see holding down shift when clicking start -> power icon -> shutdown ; works reliably for one-time hybrid shutdown disabling, so it shuts down properly ^_^ (Windows 10)
[21:16] <EriC^^> i think that'd be useful for mbr, sometimes you can have stuff that won't allow grub to install too
[21:17] <daftykins> "nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure" - Lt. Ripley, "Aliens"
[21:17] <daftykins> :D
[21:17] <EriC^^> like anti-mbr tampering software
[21:17] <EriC^^> haha
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:18] <daftykins> a while back a friend asked for me to buy a cheap laptop for his grandmother, then reinstall the stock windows 8 with windows 7...
[21:18] <daftykins> no matter what i did, i couldn't get this thing booting a USB flash drive with CSM enabled, just wouldn't go... (there was a reason a legacy install of 7 was preferable over an EFI one)
[21:18] <daftykins> eventually i got bored and threw a DVD of 7 in... booted up straight away =|
[21:19] <EriC^^> hah! :D
[21:20] <EriC^^> i don't know what the deal is with Rene 's uefi though, i think the bios is just mean
[21:20] <daftykins> :D
[21:20] <daftykins> i didn't catch which make of laptop it is?
[21:20] <EriC^^> it's supposed to look at the uefi list, and boot whatever file is there first in the order, but it wont
[21:21] <EriC^^> acer predator
[21:22] <daftykins> oh dear, the acers are the #1 suspects for showing more options when a supervisor password is entered from what i remember
[21:22] <daftykins> that sounds like a silly gaming model XD
[21:24] <EriC^^> daftykins: do you think Rene should enter a supervisor password?
[21:25] <EriC^^> secureboot is disabled
[21:25] <daftykins> i've not been followingly closely to be honest
[21:25] <daftykins> since it's not long since installed i'd probably do a Lt. Ripley as above
[21:25] <daftykins> as much as it's giving up
[21:35] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-cuda
[21:35] <lotuspsychje> !find cuda
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-cuda-toolkit trusty
[22:35] <daftykins> user screenshots an empty folder
[22:35] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[22:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[22:35] <lotuspsychje> whats inside?? :p
[22:35] <lotuspsychje> anything usefull?
[22:35] <daftykins> omg it's the answer to why the xubuntu session isn't working! :D
[22:36] <daftykins> if only i could read it :S
[22:36] <daftykins> lotus, do you speak blank?
[22:36] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[22:36] <lotuspsychje> look at the error i deleted!
[23:02] <daftykins> g'night folks \o
[23:04] <EriC^^> nighty night
[23:42] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: IRT Rene___ would it not behoove us to purge the old drive before 'autoinstall' ?
[23:49] <EriC^^> i think Rene has the default one
[23:49] <EriC^^> wont hurt though
[23:50] <EriC^^> installing the headers is important though, sometimes nvidia doesn't work right without them installed
[23:54] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Very true ! Got to have the headers to build the driver .