[05:52] <deenlee> what happened to the core apps ppa? latest builds are 4 weeks old!! https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[05:53] <deenlee> or more
[05:53] <deenlee> looks dead X-(
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-8-5-to-arrive-next-week-with-important-fixes-for-ubuntu-phones-497273.shtml
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[09:09] <diwic> tvoss, hi, did you ever get your translation change that you requested last week? If not I can probably fix it today.
[09:10] <tvoss> diwic, nope, did not get to that
[09:10] <tvoss> diwic, change would be appreicated :)
[09:11] <diwic> tvoss, silo 47, right?
[10:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Pretend To Be A Time Traveler Day! 😃
[10:15] <diwic> JamesTait, sorry, Tuesday in what year?
[10:15] <JamesTait> diwic, 2319 of course!
[10:16] <diwic> JamesTait, oh, that explains why my facebook page shows no cat pictures today...humans must have evolved!
[10:17] <JamesTait> Tuesday, the 42nd rotation of the 17th cycle, of the year 2319 of the new age of the post-enlightenment.
[10:18] <JamesTait> Although I can't help feeling I've been here before....
[10:19] <JamesTait> Humans were extincted long ago. Extincted themselves, in fact.
[10:20] <diwic> post enlightenment? Back in my days, enlightenment was a display manager, not an http server
[10:22] <mcphail> JamesTait: Does bluetooth work on the Ubuntu Phone yet, in 2319? ;)
[10:23] <diwic> Bluetooth is no more. There is no need for colors, nor for teeth. We use more efficient methods of visualization and digesting.
[10:24] <JamesTait> mcphail, only for input, as far as I've been able to tell. Occasionally I've heard reports of it also working with in-vehicle voice kits, but I'm not sure if I believe them.
[10:25]  * mcphail is losing hope it will connect to his flying car
[10:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: I'll take a video of it working with voice control in my car :P
[11:06] <NwS> Heya guys, are there any news of a new Ubuntu phone yet?
[11:16] <davmor2> NwS: not yet no why?
[11:16] <NwS> davmor2, I'm waiting for a new model so I can replace my current smartphone :P
[11:18] <NwS> Since you know the Meizu is sold out plus from what people told me it can't support convergence
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> NwS: you can buy a nexus4 or a bq 4.5?
[11:23] <NwS> I prefer to wait for an official Ubuntu phone instead of a gphone. And Bq is kinda ugly :/
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> i have a bq, nothing wrong with it
[11:23] <NwS> "kinda ugly" personal opinion :P
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> NwS: maybe someone sells his meizu second hand in your region?
[11:35] <svij> NwS: a new convergence phone is supposed to launch "early next year" from bq
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> NwS: their also working on an LG with ubuntu touch atm
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> svij: got an url on that mate?
[11:37] <svij> lotuspsychje: Jane Silber said that somewhere in the last Q&A during UOS
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> svij: thanks!
[11:41] <sturmflut> Also there will be a new Meizu phone, as Jane also said during UOS
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> sturmflut: thanks for info
[11:46] <NwS> ty for the info lotuspsychje & svij
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> sturmflut: you still working on the one+one aswell?
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> it all sounds very promising
[11:49] <svij> lotuspsychje: it was mariogrip who worked on one+one i think
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> oh right i confused tnx
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> sturmflut showed up on many articles too, thats why :p
[11:50] <sturmflut> lotuspsychje: I tried to build Ubuntu for the Aquaris M5, but decided to not devote any more time to it because porting Ubunt/Android is a time-consuming process and my time is most likely better spent on solving bugs that affect all devices
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> sturmflut: understandable :p
[11:52] <sturmflut> Also I lost all faith in humanity when I looked at the Android source code and build system
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> when i hear android my hair comes up :p
[11:54] <sturmflut> A guy posted an excellent comment on this to the ML today
[11:54] <sturmflut> "I guess the lesson is people who enjoy phones and sausages shouldn't watch either of them being made."
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> you never know whats inside
[11:57] <sturmflut> Old german wordplay about sausages: "If people find out what's going in, you're going in where you'll never get out"
[11:57] <svij> heh
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> well i rather have my saucage with an ubuntu flavor
[12:05] <Tod> every body know where Im can found ubuntu touch for HTC one m7
[12:05] <Tod> ??
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Tod
[12:06] <Tod> thanks
[12:07] <Tod> !devices
[12:07] <Tod> !htc
[12:07] <Tod> !htc one m 7
[14:37] <peat-psuwit> Hello. Does anyone knows what happens with source tree as it can't be compiled.
[14:37] <peat-psuwit> ubuntu/libhybris/compat/media/media_recorder_client.cpp:265:22: error: 'struct android::MediaRecorderBase' has no member named 'pause'
[15:13] <kenvandine> Mirv, your recent patch to qtbase5 seems to be causing system-settings to crash on startup, but seems to be only on the desktop with vivid + stable overlay
[15:14] <kenvandine> Mirv, the crash is in qnmbearer
[15:14] <kenvandine> Mirv, stacktrace http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13825552/
[15:33] <Mirv> kenvandine: not my patch though
[15:34] <Mirv> kenvandine: if you think there's something to fix ping Tony, but the general idea is to have that as a quick hotfix and work on connectivity-api bearer (I did draft packaging at  lp:~timo-jyrinki/+junk/connectivity-api-bearer ) to replace the NM bearer even for OTA-9
[15:37] <kenvandine> awe_, ^^
[15:37] <kenvandine> awe_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13825552/
[15:43] <awe_> kenvandine, hmmm...  is that critical enough to block the OTA?
[15:45] <awe_> can we get the OTA out, and then shoot for a fix asap?
[15:47] <kenvandine> awe_, well it makes hacking on settings incredibly painful :/
[15:49] <kenvandine> awe_, any ideas why it causes the crash on desktop only?
[15:52] <awe_> kenvandine, cause desktop users typically used Wired/Ethernet
[15:53] <awe_> and phones users don't
[15:53] <awe_> looks like the crash is the QNetworkManagerInterfaceDeviceWired class
[15:54] <awe_> kenvandine, can you file a bug and assign to me?
[15:55] <awe_> we can work on getting a fix after ota8.5 leaves the building
[15:55] <kenvandine> will do
[15:55] <awe_> sorry for the hacking pain
[15:55] <kenvandine> 8.5?
[15:55] <awe_> um, yes
[15:55] <awe_> have you read the landing emails lately?
[15:55] <awe_> ;)-
[15:55] <kenvandine> i guess not :)
[15:56] <awe_> so basically, this fix gets rid of a ton of unecessary NM DBus logic that impacts any Qt app which uses QNetworkAccessManager
[15:56] <awe_> we're planning on moving to an even newer plugin for OTA9
[15:57] <awe_> which will replace the NM plugin with our own as Mirv mentioned above
[16:00] <kenvandine> awe_, bug 1523975
[16:05] <awe_> kenvandine, I would say "High" vs. "Critical".  I will see if I can get something done before the break, but can't drop everything for this
[16:05] <kenvandine> awe_, ok
[16:06] <awe_> how much other stuff gets pulled in when you install qtbase?
[16:07] <kenvandine> not sure
[16:07] <awe_> well, how do you install?
[16:07] <kenvandine> anyone with uitk has it
[16:07] <awe_> uitk?
[16:07] <kenvandine> it's libqt5network5
[16:08] <kenvandine> ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[16:08] <kenvandine> if you install ubuntu-system-settings from the overlay ppa you'll see the crash
[16:08] <awe_> right, so you add the overlay PPA as a PPA to your desktop
[16:08] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:08] <awe_> then update ubuntu-system-settings?
[16:08] <kenvandine> have to for phone development
[16:09] <kenvandine> and libqt5network5
[16:09] <kenvandine> just apt-get upgrade :)
[16:09] <awe_> I do all my devel on the phone
[16:09] <awe_> no modem on my desktop
[16:09] <awe_> different wifi drivers, ...
[16:09] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:10] <awe_> I'll add a note to the original bug, maybe lorn might come up with a quicker fix
[16:20] <bs_> Hi guys, quick question, I want to test Touch on my old Nexus 4. However, I use Mint not Ubuntu, can I get away with using the same process as if I were using Ubuntu or am I best using Ubuntu to do it?
[16:23] <dobey> bs_: install phablet-tools, or you may need to add the PPA mentioned in the docs to get the latest version, and then use ubuntu-device-flash just the same as in in the instructions
[16:25] <bs_> ok, thanks. Thought I'd be ok on Mint, but thought it best to check! :)
[16:35] <peat-psuwit> Hello. Does anyone knows what happens with Android source tree as it can't be compiled.
[16:35] <peat-psuwit> ubuntu/libhybris/compat/media/media_recorder_client.cpp:265:22: error: 'struct android::MediaRecorderBase' has no member named 'pause'
[18:31]  * lpotter grumbles about bearers
[19:20] <nuboro> how can i become ubuntu touch on my mobile
[19:23] <k1l> nuboro: which device?
[19:24] <nuboro> do you mean the phone ?
[19:24] <nuboro> huawei
[19:24] <nuboro> kll ^^
[19:24] <k1l> yes
[19:25] <k1l> see the devices list if someone did a port already. if not you need to port it yourself, but this is not a beginners task
[19:25] <k1l> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[19:25] <nuboro> Huawei Ascend Y550
[19:25] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[19:52] <nuboro> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/#unlock-device where must you do that
[19:52] <nuboro> if you havent a terminal on the phone
[19:55] <nuboro> and how can you get ubuntu touch i dont understand it i have a huawei ascend y 550
[19:55] <nuboro> please help me
[19:57] <k1l> nuboro: no
[19:57] <nuboro> i didnt understood
[19:57] <k1l> nuboro: that doesnt work for your phone. its not officialy supported.
[19:58] <nuboro> ah ok ;(
[19:58] <k1l> you need to port ubuntu-touch to your phone first. but that is not a beginners task.
[19:58] <nuboro> yes you already said that
[20:00] <nuboro> how ? k1l
 https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[20:02] <nuboro> that isn't a beginner task ;(
[20:02] <k1l> that is what i tell you the whole time
[20:02] <k1l> porting a new OS to a device is not a beginners task at all.
[20:04] <nuboro> when sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools  i want to getthe uptde some idexes fail
[20:05] <nuboro> does someone knows why
[20:17] <thepeter> Hi :)
[20:17] <dobey> hi
[20:20] <thepeter> got kind of "design" question ... I know that on PC ubuntu there has been talk about it and what is let's say outcome but friend which is left-handed actually asked me (he's already owning ubuntu phone) if is possible to show the "menu" from right side of the screen :D
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> thepeter: default bar goes left mate
[20:21] <thepeter> I've been googling it but I can't find out anything on it  :D
[20:21] <dobey> no, there is currently no option to swap the left/right swiping afaik
[20:22] <thepeter> uhm okay :D I've expected it :P
[20:23] <thepeter> dobey: but is it ... you know "the dead end"? or do you think that it might just happend in time?
[20:24] <thepeter> personaly I don't have this issue but just to communitace him it the right way
[20:27] <thepeter> btw to anybody responsible for the last OTA - great thanks for that since battery life is almost doubled on BQ Aquaris 5 :) I really appreciate it
[20:29] <dobey> i can't say if it will ever be implemented or not. i don't know
[20:29] <dobey> i can say "file a bug about it" though :)
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> thepeter: we have other users with existing bugs on bettery life
[20:32] <thepeter> hehe I've been actually thinking about it (regarding "lefthanded" support wish)
[20:34] <thepeter> lotuspsychje: on bq 5 I can confirm that it is much better after the last OTA, and I would buy a drink to the one who resolved it if it would be possible
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> i have 4.5 here and no issues
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: around?
[20:36] <thepeter> lotuspsychje: me neither what I am saying that battery now holds almost twice longer than before - I am not complaining I am expressing my kindest thanks for this improvement :)
[20:42] <thepeter> dobey: so bug or question?
[20:46] <dobey> thepeter: bug
[20:48] <thepeter> dobey: ok
[20:48] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phones-spotted-in-a-store-in-germany-at-just-1-with-contract-497189.shtml
[20:51] <thepeter> lotuspsychje: nice
[20:54]  * thepeter thinking about raising bug that bug reporting for ubuntu-touch is kind of messy and intricate (what is the right form to use?)
[21:04] <thepeter> I guess I'll leave it for now ... will probably google-up some manualhow to put bug on launchpad to the right place
[21:05] <thepeter> so long! (and thanks for all the fish)
[21:32] <k1l> http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/08/mozilla-will-stop-developing-and-selling-firefox-os-smartphones/   firefox OS gave up
[21:51] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: good evening
[21:52] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: hi mate, nvm previous the user had battery improvements on ota8 :p
[21:54] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: lucky person! I had another bad day on rc-proposed at the weekend. I'm thinking it must be something to do with dekko, but I have all the dekko-tweakgeek stuff turned off now
[22:54] <sturmflut> slangasek: I demand a zSeries phone! How else am I supposed to do proper banking?
[23:07] <slangasek> sturmflut: you can have a zSeries phone, but it's going to be rotary dial
[23:17] <kenvandine> slangasek, rofl
[23:18] <slangasek> ;)