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wxlanyone here? :)19:03
gsilvaptI am19:03
wxlgoood to see you gsilvapt :)19:03
wxlphillw: you joining us?19:03
gsilvaptHow's it going?19:03
wxli just got a message from gilir so perhaps he'll show up19:03
wxlhanging in there, thanks19:03
wxlgilir's going to be a bit late, as is nio19:04
gsilvaptEverybody is getting here late :D19:04
wxlso i think i'm going to just start the meeting and we'll do things a bit out of sequence19:04
wxl#startmeeting Lubuntu monthly meeting19:05
wxlargh where's meetingology19:05
wxlargh where's meetingology19:05
wxlok i got to figure out how to get it here19:06
gsilvapttell me, this is going to be a tecnical one, right?19:06
wxlnot necessarily19:06
wxlUnit193: can you get meetingology here?19:07
gsilvaptThey tend to be but okay19:07
wxlkrytarik: wrong channel :)19:07
wxlonce i can get meetingology here..19:09
krytarikwxl: Ask in #ubuntu-irc yourself?19:10
wxlkrytarik: already did19:10
krytarikGood.19:10
wxlit's ok as we are waiting on some other folks19:10
krytarikAt least ubuntulog is here anyway. :P19:11
wxlyeah19:11
gilirhi :-) Sorry got the wrong chan :-)19:16
wxlnp gilir. still waiting on nio and trying to get meetingology here19:16
wxlooook19:17
wxlall set now19:17
wxlwe'll start the meeting and nio can join us later19:17
wxl#startmeeting Lubuntu monthly meeting19:17
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Dec  9 19:17:35 2015 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:17
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick19:17
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wxlso officially hello and welcome everyone to the December monthly meeting of the Lubuntu team19:18
gsilvapthi :)19:18
wxlfor those that don't already have it, here's the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda19:19
wxlyou can choose whether or not to raise your hand if you like. such formalities are lost on me XD19:19
wxlthe agenda is not necessarily in order, so i'll try to keep us on track19:19
wxl#topic QA19:19
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wxlfirst i'd like to give a general update for QA19:20
wxlunfortunately there's not much to tell :)19:20
wxlthe regular daily testing has been happening19:20
wxlas usual, we need more help in the ppc area since the LTS releases (like xenial) are supposed to be our ppc releases19:21
wxlit is still relatively early in the cycle, though and that's to be expected19:21
wxli still have some ppc machines to send out to folks, too19:22
wxlbeen a bit behind myself19:22
wxli should point out that three of the top 5 testers are lubuntu folks (tsimonq2, ianorlin, and nio) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers19:23
wxlwell, for xenial19:23
wxlfwiw both lars and ianorlin are in the top 20 of all time http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top2019:24
gilirI never realise this, cool ! :-) Great job :-)19:24
wxlso thank you very much lubuntu qa team!19:24
wxlnow, on a related note19:24
wxl#topic Google Code-In19:24
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wxlyou may know that ubuntu is a participant in this year's google code-in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn19:25
wxlto be clear this is not the google summer of code, which is more like an internship working on major projects19:25
wxlinstead this is more like little tasks being done by teenagers19:26
wxli have been coerced into being a mentor19:26
wxlwell, actually, i rather enjoy it19:26
wxlright now we have at least two lubuntu-specific tasks19:26
wxlboth are QA related19:26
wxlthe first is to have iso testing done19:26
wxlthe second is to help out with bug triage19:27
wxli'd send links but i don't think they're visable by non-participants19:27
wxlthere will be more tasks added throughout the week19:27
giliro/19:27
wxlthat being said, as i emailed before, if anyone has any tasks that need to be done, speak up!19:27
wxlgilir: question?19:27
gilirthe bug triage is focus on which packages ?19:28
wxlgilir: i wrote the task to start with bugs listed in the lubuntu packages team. so it's basically everything. the goal i had was to make sure that bugs were getting confirmed and/or invalidated and that descriptions and such were clear.19:29
wxlgilir: i can amend it to suggest particular packages as a starting point if you like19:30
gilirwxl, ok, that's a good idea, and pretty doable for teenager19:30
gilirat least, if we can close the old and invalid bug, I may be able to focus on really problem more easily19:31
gilirI => We19:31
wxlso other ideas for tasks might relate to marketing, evangelism, videos, documentation, artwork, etc. if there's ANYTHING you want done, let me know and i'll list it as a task. try to be specific. worst case scenario it just doesn't get done. which doesn't hurt.19:31
sudodusHi everybody19:32
wxlgilir: that was my thinking, too19:32
wxlhi sudodus19:32
wxlGoogle Code-In does continue until January, so please continue to think about this (everyone)19:33
wxlthat's about all i have for QA. sudodus you wish to speak about mkusb or phillw about donations?19:34
sudodusI can wait :_)19:34
wxloooook joern was going to talk about LXQt. you want to take that role gilir ? :)19:35
* phillw the paper work for donataions has been sent to Julien and Rafael. I need Rafael's back before I can send onto you, wxl19:35
wxloh i guess we're talking about donations19:35
wxl#topic donations19:35
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gilirwxl, I can do it after phillw and Nio topics :-)19:35
wxlso to be clear, it's just a waiting game for paperwork and such before we have all the legal ramifications dealt with19:36
* phillw the paper work for donataions has been sent to Julien and Rafael. I need Rafael's back before I can send onto you, wxl19:36
wxlphillw: have we made any progress towards thinking about how we would make it possible on the website for a user to make a donation?19:36
phillwthe bank is ready to go as soon as they have the paperwork and corresponding documentary evidence they require under international money laundering regulations.19:37
phillwwxl: I know Rafael has a had a play, paypal can API neatly into the bank account.19:37
wxlphillw: oh i didn't realize we were using paypal. that makes a lot of since. their apis are darn easy to work with.19:38
wxlgreat, we await the post then :)19:38
wxlanything else on the subject, phillw ?19:38
phillwwxl: we were not going to re-invent the wheel... Security of people's bank accounts are best looked after by paypal. They seem to be doing a better job than most banks :P19:39
phillwNot from me, as soon as I have the forms all signed, we can move forward :)19:39
* phillw done19:40
sudodusshould I start now?19:40
phillwjust waiting for wxl to set the topic :)19:41
wxloops sorry folks19:43
wxlwork called me away19:43
wxl#topic Startup Disk Creator19:43
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wxloff to you sudodus19:43
sudodusI have been debugging mkusb (Cyrille, a French monk in the Congo found a bad one, and I have found a couple of minor bugs myself since our previous meeting)19:43
wxlsudodus: have we made any progress towards getting it in debian/ubuntu repos?19:44
sudodusbut I have not yet done what was planned with Melodie to prepare to get a debian package accepted in a debian/ubuntu repo19:44
wxlsudodus: i would think if you can get that ball rolling, that would be great. you can always go back to debugging while you wait for it to get accepted19:45
sudodusI asked Melodie about it a couple of days ago (after debugging and uploading a debugged version), but she has not yet had time for it.19:46
wxlsudodus: great, well keep working on it. anything else you need from the community?19:46
sudodusYes I agree. So I will try again to get help from Melodie19:46
sudodusI think it would be good if you, who are active members, try to use mkusb and give feedback to me :-)19:47
wxlmaybe i'll make a task for this for the Google Code-In19:47
wxlwhat's the suggested method for submitting bugs?19:48
sudodusYes, that is a good idea19:48
sudodusemail to nio dot wiklund at gmail dot com19:49
VincropHi !19:49
wxl#action wxl mkusb Google Code-In task19:49
meetingologyACTION: wxl mkusb Google Code-In task19:49
gilirsudodus, are you aware of the process to push new packages to debian / ubuntu ? I can give you some infos if you need19:49
Vincrop#action wxl mkusb Google Code-In task19:49
meetingologyACTION: wxl mkusb Google Code-In task19:49
wxlVincrop: ?19:50
* Vincrop feel alone, when nobody is responding :)19:50
wxlVincrop: we're having a meeting here, so if you'd like to contribute, please wait until we get to the end where we take other agenda items. if you want to chat there's #lubuntu-offtopic19:50
sudodusYes please, gilir (I have read some tutorials about it, and it seems very complicated, so I need all help I can get :-)19:51
wxlsudodus: is launchpad not the preferred way to deal with bugs so they're public?19:51
VincropHi I'll vait so thx19:51
Vincropwait*19:51
wxlbecause if so perhaps i can ALSO make a task for triage19:51
wxl#undo19:52
meetingologyRemoving item from minutes: ACTION19:52
gilirsudodus, first you need to do the packaging itself, but I after you need 1 Debian sponsor or 2 Ubuntu sponsor for pushing new packages19:52
sudodusI'm learning gradually how to manage the mkusb package. Yes, you are right about the bug management.19:52
gilirsudodus, also, ubuntu sponsors will prefer people to push stuff directly to debian19:53
gilirsudodus, which mean you need a DD (debian dev), which can be hard to find sometimes ...19:53
gilirsudodus, just to say that it could be a long process ...19:54
sudodusI realize it can be a long process, but as long as things are progressing it is OK19:55
wxlwell thanks for the update, sudodus. anything else?19:55
sudodusI have said what I intended to say. Any more questions or comments?19:56
wxli'll just mention for those that do not know, sudodus made mkusb as an alternative to the other startup disk solutions that seem to fail consistently. it's our hope that it will become a standard option for lubuntu. more info here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb19:57
phillwsudodus: you can also ask bodhizazen on #phillw for assistance19:58
sudodusThanks phillw, I'll try to reach bodhizazen.19:59
wxlthat being said, you ready for lxqt, gilir?19:59
gilirwxl, yes19:59
wxl#topic LXQt20:00
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wxloff to you then gilir :)20:00
gilir0.10 of lxqt is now in xenial official repositories20:00
wxlyay!20:00
gilirso, people who are using xenial doesn't need the PPA :-)20:01
gilirwel except of the meta-package which is not yet in xenial ...20:01
wxlthe meta package is fixed in the dev repo though, yes?20:01
gilirI encourage people to test it, since the daily people may break at any time20:01
gilirwxl, I think so, nobody complaint recently :-)20:02
wxlyeah i see it :)20:02
gilirMost of the PPA packaging was also migrated to the same packaging on xenial, which is close to the one in Debian20:03
gilirthat's all for the lxqt recent news :-)20:04
wxlso if folks want to use the one out of the repos, they'll need to install all the packages defined by lxqt-metapackage then, yes?20:04
phillwgilir: can you update the two sub sections on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt#LXQt for both adding to lubuntu and an install onto netboot iso.20:04
gilirwxl, yes20:04
wxlso everyone that's here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/lxde/lxqt-metapackage/view/head:/debian/control20:04
phillwThey are the latest I had20:04
gilirphillw, I just want to wait for the metapackage to it xenial, that will be easier to explain on the wiki20:05
phillwgreat :)20:05
wxlany ideas how long that will be, gilir? because i could make a google code-in task20:05
gilirwxl, it still stuck in debian queue ... ETA is very variable with it comes to this20:06
wxlright right, ok20:06
gilirwith => when20:06
wxlthen i'll maybe drum up a task with explicit instructions on the packages to install20:06
wxl#action wxl Google Code-In task for installing lxqt with explicit instructions on packages to install20:07
meetingologyACTION: wxl Google Code-In task for installing lxqt with explicit instructions on packages to install20:07
wxlok any questions regarding lxqt folks?20:07
sudodusIs there something in particular that we should test or be aware of with lxqt?20:08
gilirsudodus, nothing special, 0.10 is suppose to be stable :-)20:10
sudodus:-)20:10
giliryou can report any bug to ubuntu bug tracker is you are testing 0.1020:11
giliryou are using daily build, I suggest to check on #lxde first to see if it's not specific to daily build breakage20:11
gilirnothing else come to my mind for now about this20:13
wxlok then20:14
wxl#topic Any Other Business20:14
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wxlVincrop: did you have something else you wish to bring up?20:14
wxlor anyone else for that matter?20:14
giliro/20:15
wxlyes?20:15
gilirjust to announce that LSC was migrated to python 3 : lp:~lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-software-center/python320:16
wxloh wow!20:16
gilir:-)20:16
wxlanother thing to test then!20:16
phillwnice :)20:16
gilirplease test it :-)20:16
sudodus:-)20:16
wxl#agenda wxl add Google Code-In task for the new version of LSC20:16
wxldo you have a direct link, gilir ?20:17
wxloops not agenda!20:17
wxl#action wxl add Google Code-In task for the new version of LSC20:17
meetingologyACTION: wxl add Google Code-In task for the new version of LSC20:17
gilirhttps://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-software-center/python320:17
gilirI can't find the other bug report about the python3 progress on other packages of the seed :-/20:17
wxlthx20:18
wxlhahahah i'll dig it up for you20:18
gilirbug 146531320:18
ubot93bug 1465313 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[meta] Drop python2.7, port all to python3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146531320:18
wxloh there you go :)20:18
wxlanyone else?20:20
gilirnothing more on dev20:20
wxlthen i'm going to call an end to the meeting20:21
wxlthanks to everyone for your contributions20:21
wxlOH20:21
wxlone last thing20:21
wxl#topic mailing lists20:21
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phillwjust a reminder to have a good time and the Alpha1 is due out December 31st ... So don't forget to do some testing!!20:21
wxlwe've had lubuntu-qa on launchpad lingering around at the same time as lubuntu-devel20:21
wxlon lists.ubuntu.com20:21
wxli'm going to get rid of the lubuntu-qa list at the start of the new year20:22
wxlso if you haven't already updated your subscription, do it!20:22
wxlok, that's all20:22
sudodusso far Lubuntu Xenial has been running well20:22
wxl#endmeeting20:22
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Dec  9 20:22:47 2015 UTC.20:22
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2015/lubuntu-devel.2015-12-09-19.17.moin.txt20:22
gilirthanks wxl :-)20:23
wxlthanks gilir !20:23
phillwthanks for chairing, wxl20:23
wxlnow i'm going to go back to fixing windows virtual machines20:23
sudodusthanks everybody20:23
* wxl grumbles angrily20:23
tsimonq2wxl: hmm?21:30
tsimonq2XD21:30
wxltsimonq2: just giving you kudos for your testing efforts21:49
tsimonq2wxl: what do you mean? XD21:50
wxltsimonq2: that you're in the top 321:50
tsimonq2wxl: oh, just looked at that, but I meant the grumbling :P21:51
wxltsimonq2: windows virtual machine issues. i had to purge and reinstall virtualbox in order to get my guest to boot, even though it had been doing fine for months. weird.21:52
wxlok great21:53
wxlso looks like you did everything you needed to21:54
wxli would leave a comment with the link21:54
wxlargh wrong channel for god's sake21:55
tsimonq2wxl: oh21:56
wxlanyone want a fun project?23:27
krytarikwxl: Just tell us, alright? :P23:30
tsimonq2wxl: ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh...oh wait...NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOO...NOT LXQt :P23:31
tsimonq2XD23:31
wxlsupposedly lxqt is in the xenial repos.23:33
wxllxqt-metapackage is not.23:34
tsimonq2(LXQt isn't, but go on)23:34
wxlso someone needs to use lxqt-metapackage as a guide to figure out how to properly install lxqt.23:34
wxldon't listen to tsimonq223:34
* tsimonq2 grumbles23:34
wxl1200 < gilir:#lubuntu-devel> 0.10 of lxqt is now in xenial official repositories23:35
tsimonq2hmph23:35
wxlif you want to argue with the person who made that statement, knock yourself out tsimonq223:35
tsimonq2wxl: where is he? :P23:35
wxltsimonq2: in france23:36
tsimonq2wxl: where does he hide on the Internet23:36
tsimonq2?23:36
wxltsimonq2: um, behind email. facebook sometimes.23:36
* tsimonq2 hunts gilir down23:36
tsimonq2(not actually, scared of the boss :P)23:36
tsimonq2can someone confirm either way?23:37
tsimonq2krytarik: weren't you looking for something to do? :P23:37
krytariktsimonq2: I'm already at it.23:37
tsimonq2:D23:38
* tsimonq2 pats krytarik on the back23:38
* krytarik just pats tsimonq223:38
wxlkrytarik: you can find the lxqt-metapackage code in the lubuntu-dev lp team23:38
krytarikYep, there already.23:39
wxlthanks, krytarik23:39
krytarikSo we want just all depends and recommends listed there?23:41
wxlkrytarik: depends for sure. unknown about the recommends.23:42
wxlactually you probably do need the recommends23:42
tsimonq2+123:43
krytarik"sudo apt-get install xorg xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all dbus-x11 lxqt-common lxqt-session qterminal lxqt-panel lxqt-about pcmanfm-qt lxqt-globalkeys lxqt-policykit lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-runner lxqt-notificationd lxqt-config lxqt-qtplugin lxqt-admin lxqt-sudo lxqt-connman-applet lximage-qt oxygen-icon-theme juffed elementary-icon-theme kde-style-qtcurve li23:46
krytarikghtdm gvfs-backends ...23:46
krytarik... policykit-desktop-privileges" :P23:46
tsimonq2krytarik: does that work?23:47
tsimonq2krytarik: does LXQt install correctly?23:47
krytariktsimonq2: Your task! :P23:47
tsimonq2oh hell no...23:47
tsimonq2not mine23:47
tsimonq2no way23:47
tsimonq2no sirree23:47
krytarikUgh, my Split Long Messages script failed there though. >_<23:49
krytarikAnd I don't get why. :P23:56
krytarikwxl: ↑23:59

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