[02:50] good morning to all [02:52] lotuspsychje: \O . Welcome back on. Slow right now . [02:53] Bashing-om: hey mate, ill sneak in slow too, insomnia here :p [02:54] lotuspsychje: K. I am considering UNsomnia . [02:54] lol [02:55] Bashing-om: im idling #gamingonlinux lately, alot of usefull linux grafix realtime discussions there [02:55] nice for support [02:56] lotuspsychje: Yeah, Never can tell where ya might pick up a nice tid-bit . It all adds to the store, huh . [02:56] yeppers [02:56] well those guys always discuss latest, so pretty usefull nvidia/amdgpu [02:57] lotuspsychje: We ever get the fix into the repo for 15.10 FGLRX ? [02:58] Bashing-om: alot of black screens still and reboot trouble on latest nvidia on wily... [02:59] Bashing-om: i even had a guy on wily with usb booting never able to F6 nomodeset, trusty= no issues [03:00] EriC^^: morning mate :p [03:00] Bashing-om: alot of nasty things going on in 15.04 and 15.10 [03:00] hi SeriouslyLaugh [03:01] ahoy lotuspsychje [03:01] lotuspsychje: systemd. I guess, not so compatable in ALL respects . [03:01] Bashing-om: i had a guy with 250% power consumption on nvidia 358.16 aswell on wily yesterday [03:02] lotuspsychje: Now that is a driver being a pig talking to the kernel ! [03:02] Bashing-om: yeah i wonder what future devs hold for us...systemd, mir,wayland,unity8...will this all resist the real field? [03:04] lotuspsychje: The times are achange'n . Everyone wants more faster . [03:04] yeah [03:26] when someone joins irc, quits, then joins using what i think is a mask [03:26] do they not know that the first time they joined their IP was exposed? [03:26] tom joins at 127.0.0.1 [03:26] tom quit [03:26] tom joins at mask/mask/mask [03:27] SeriouslyLaugh: yeah freenode reveals ip's easy :p [03:27] gor this network, thats a good thing [03:27] for [03:27] kinda defeats the purpose of having a cloak or whatever it is [03:28] an ircd server can be setup with auto ip hiding aswell [04:35] Hello everyone [04:47] !cookie | lotuspsychje [04:47] lotuspsychje: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [04:47] that sounds really too sarcastic [04:47] lol [04:47] tnx [09:24] morning lotuspsychje [09:24] hey EriC^^ :p [09:24] all ok mate? [09:24] yeah thanks, you? [09:24] great tnx [09:55] cfhowlett: morning [09:55] hey hey [10:03] morning team o/ [10:03] hey daftykins [10:03] i have deliveries \o/ [10:03] morning daftykins [10:03] yayyy [10:03] ssd time! [10:04] nope, i think that one's definitely lost now [10:04] ouch [10:04] got a 24 port patch panel though, for a client [10:06] big house to wire up with lovely cable :D [10:15] hmm i wonder if termbin is alive again today [10:16] trying now ... [10:16] seems dead [10:18] yep [10:19] i think we've all killed it by using it so much ;) [10:19] the hoster must be like "where is this all coming from!?" [10:21] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1781707328/swyo-play-your-pc-games-anywhere [10:21] check this project out guys [10:21] not so far away from my idea of linux gaming on sort of virtual deamon-tools like app running on any Os right? [10:24] you know, every one of those companies that started up and tried to do streaming gaming from data centres to your home, failed. [10:24] if it's just around the house, then that would be ok - for example i play my xbox one from up here on my desktop PC sometimes, over glorious gigabit wired LAN [10:25] even then you can't use that for anything competitive - just single player stuff really [10:26] something amazing will happen soon i can feel it :p [10:27] * daftykins spots mrs.lotus making lunch [10:27] you're right :) [10:27] :p [10:27] i just farted [10:27] lol [10:27] does that count? :p [10:27] ugh, so my file servers' optical drive is playing up, i need to take it out and clean the lens maybe [10:27] smells amazing already [10:43] hmm wow my vmware setup has broken [10:47] interesting, my wired NIC lost the vmware bridging service, all fixed [10:49] good day to all bbl :p [10:49] \o [10:50] dont do anything lotus wouldnt do [10:50] the sun is on one of my screens and shows all the dust :( [10:50] thats nasty daftykins :p [12:36] Hey folks [13:05] hey folks [13:06] hey hey [13:06] \o [13:09] Hi OerHeks, found a workaround for my 90 sec boot delay . It seems systemd was search for my swap partition but had some bug where there was a 90 sec delay mounting it , so I remobed it from fstan and voila!, no more delay [13:10] fstab even [13:10] Ehh? was that swap missing or changed? [13:12] I had the swap rntry set in fstab...removing the fstab entry solved my problem, just had to turn swapom in gparted and it's back on. [13:12] entry [13:12] ah har [13:12] weird it wasn't on [13:13] nasty little bugger, that swap [13:13] it was on the before I removed the fstab entry [13:14] Just come back from my mom, she has left the pc running since i left a few days ago: ".. but you do that too!" [13:14] ( she loves the puppy picture as background ) [13:17] BluesKaj: must be a wrong uuid [13:17] are you on 15.10? [13:18] the uuid was correct and I'm on 16.04 [13:19] i think 15.04+ use encrypted swap [13:19] Kubuntu [13:41] *rolleyes* [13:42] fun [13:43] might be using a translator [13:43] nah just illiterate ;) [13:44] most translators are illiterate :-) [13:45] \o/ i am dumb [13:45] they'd not give typos though [13:45] and happy now [13:46] yeah BluesKaj, go put a wig between :-D [13:46] we got rid of the pita [14:05] http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-is-getting-a-big-plymouth-boot-splash-upgrade-after-7-years-497364.shtml [14:06] purge it ;D [14:06] :p [14:07] i liked lilo :p [14:07] text booting is nice [14:17] hi BluesKaj [14:19] hey lotuspsychje, seems the bootlist is enabled by default in kubuntu 16.04 even tho i have the boot diagnostic disabled in the BIOS [14:20] BluesKaj: you mean quiet splash off? [14:20] not that it matters so much , just a curious action [14:20] ive edited permament quiet splash disabled for textboot, as i like it [14:21] I don't recall editing the quiet splash line , but I'll check [14:21] see if its "" [14:22] BluesKaj: we had some users having xenial issues in virtualbox aswell [14:22] BluesKaj: menu dissapearing in gnome fallback, and one user cant login to unity8 after install, both from virtualbox [14:25] lotuspsychje, yeah quiet splash was missing , re-entered it ...strange [14:26] BluesKaj: very weird it would do on its own like that [14:26] no VM here, jsut na regular install [14:26] yeah me too physical [14:26] i dont like virtual stuff :p [14:26] brb, gonna test [14:27] kk [14:27] lets hope he update-grub [14:31] ok , fixed [14:31] : ) [14:32] BluesKaj: also xenial users with firefox high cpu load [14:33] in that article you posted about plymouth , fast ssds don't show plymouth but It was visiable fore about 5 secs here, probly my old and slow amd 5200+ cpu [14:33] lol [14:33] yeah really depends ssd brand also [14:33] and how much services at startup enabled [14:34] BluesKaj: wich brand you have? [14:34] just the defaullts minus some that i don't need like tablet and powerdaemons rtc [14:35] etc [14:35] Samsung EVO 850 256 Gb ssd [14:35] i try disable alot [14:36] cool [14:36] boot time is around 20 secs or so now [14:36] nice nice [14:36] much better [14:36] got preload installed also? [14:37] don't think so [14:37] !info preload | BluesKaj handy [14:37] BluesKaj handy: preload (source: preload): adaptive readahead daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-2 (vivid), package size 34 kB, installed size 135 kB [14:38] swappiness to 10 is also reccomended on ssd [14:38] BluesKaj: http://tinyurl.com/ctk2vbu [14:38] BluesKaj: and add relatime to fstab line [14:40] I have 9.5G swap [14:41] wow :p [14:46] bbl souper [15:01] morning [15:03] heya o/ [15:03] :) [15:06] morning pauljw [15:07] had to ignore John due to PM spam. [15:07] ugh [15:09] geez [15:09] hi BluesKaj [15:14] brb, still fooling with ssd preload settings [16:17] TJ-: welcome back o/ [16:17] https://www.dropbox.com/s/u47k6di56j0n2hv/IMG_20151209_154957.jpg?dl=0 [16:17] hrmm just took apart this ageing optical drive from in my server [16:17] i think it's dead, Jim [16:17] * TJ- waves [16:18] I'm trying to replace a rare blown MOSFET on a mobo, and I'm terrible at working out what counts as an equivalent part. [16:18] ah har [16:19] i managed to identify one on a laptop that blew a bit ago :> [16:21] I have the original datasheet but this side of analogue electronics is fuzzy to me, not sure which parameters I can afford to vary and still be in the correct range. [16:22] i think there might be a capable person in #ubuntu-uk [16:24] I've asked in ##electronics but basically got told 'match the parametrics' which is the bit I'm crap at :D [16:24] So, I'm trawling Farnell some more to figure it out - about time I learned this stuff I guess [16:24] i wasn't sure if it was yourself or someone else that told me they're not particularly friendly ;) [16:25] not me that I recall [16:25] oof this drive is painfully slow and is emitting sounds that seem like ticking [16:25] Generally I'd found it a pretty useful channel for 2nd opinions [16:25] i think it's just ready for the rubbish heap [16:25] sounds like the focus mechanism is having problems [16:26] it's been reporting errors when ripping audio CDs, which aren't there in another drive [16:26] usually you can see the head being moved up/down toward/away from the optical surface as it tries to find focus. The other issue could be it can't find 'track-0' position and the servo is retrying [16:26] so that'd make sense [16:26] i think you're right first time as it's still progressing, just very slowly [16:27] 5 mins to go over a single audio track [16:27] albeit 10 mins long [16:27] I've found that once drives start to go off, it shows up as an inability to read discs written from that device on any other, like only that device can do the same focus [16:28] sometimes its as simple as wiping the lens with a cotton bud dipped in IPA [16:28] ah i foolishly didn't go that far, but i did blow on it :D [16:28] like the old cd players that attracted dust on the lens [16:28] that is a good substitute - but it won't shift the effects of humidty/condensation+dust that sticks [16:29] I still keep an 'old fashioned' head cleaner that has little brushes fitted to the optical surface for cleaning the heads [16:29] hehe :D [16:30] wouldn't hurt to take it apart again and have another go, it seems a lot worse now [16:30] You broked it :D [16:30] XD [16:30] It needs either TLC, or a hammer threat [16:30] it was already pretty bad [16:30] actually it's not reading errors anymore [16:31] or that might've been a later track, i'll have to wait a bit and see [16:31] wonder how dust gets into a hdd that is so sealed [16:31] I needed an external DVD drive recently but I'd taken all my 'unwanted' parts to the scrap yard last year; I always regret doing a clear-out later [16:31] HDDs aren't sealed though :) [16:32] They have a breather hole if they're air-filled. Not so for argon/helium drives of course [16:32] metal-dust? [16:32] i'd be a bit nervous about buying one of those helium drives [16:32] Why? it'll only make you sound like dafty duck instead :) [16:33] i don't know, the technology just sounds like such a stretch [16:33] What were those IBM drives, new tech around 2001, that ended up literally losing the entire surface coating so the platters ended up transparent? That was terrible data loss [16:34] daftykins, look quite sealed up to me [16:34] they usually have breather holes in them [16:34] the reason for a gas other than air is less resistance to the heads so they float closer and more stable [16:34] IBM Deskstar aka Deathstar :) [16:36] No, don't think it was those, although they did die badly. Maybe I'm confused but I think they were 'special' enterprise drives [16:37] come to think of it the Deskstars were more the dreaded click of death [16:37] yes, it was the Deskstar too - Glass platters [16:38] I have a few of those around the place; love mounting them on the wall with their tops off as clocks :) [16:40] Yes, you're correct, it was those GXP drives [16:40] "The drives were known for an unusually high rate of head crashes, due to the magnetic coating soon beginning to loosen and sprinkle off from the platters, creating dust in the hard disk array and leading to crashes over large areas of the platters." [16:47] oh, the 1 equivalent MOSFET I find on Farnell... "No Longer Manufactured" [16:51] doh! [16:52] but amazingly, search including description on eBay, find an Italian supplier of 1 that says "substiute for AP3310H" ... and Farnell has thousands of them. Score! [17:23] wow, our local UPS rep snuck in a delivery missed note at 1:40pm, i heard nothing [17:24] hahaha, silent but deadly, brought to you by UPS! [17:25] nothing worse than a hit and run courier! [17:26] i picked up a cheap TP-Link router for a friend who shares a single 20/1 megabit ADSL2 connection in a rented property over here [17:26] the current router gives 60% packet loss to google UK :S [18:05] is that due to a bad SnR on the line? [18:06] doubt it, the Thomson TG585 is seriously terrible :) [18:10] unfortunately i had to go blind as the router was passworded by the landlord [18:11] but being cabled in and trying a few things it was obvious it was a very, very sick device [18:11] sometimes having a different chipset maker in the CPE to the DSLAM can cause such issues [18:12] well that model was the ISP supplied one [18:12] it'd be quite the monumental fail if it were :) [18:13] does the ISP control the last-mile? the DSLAM is owned by the CO/Exchange operator? [18:13] It can make a 4-6db difference in some situations [18:13] whole island is one main telco + ISP yep [18:14] Historically, Alcatel Thomson was the best equipment, we used to swear by Speedtouch devices [18:15] they've taken a really big dive :( [18:16] the ones my ISP puts out are all by their latest name, Technicolor... all particularly poor [18:23] going for lowest cost probably? [18:24] no doubt, yeah - they got bought out by a Bahrain company a while back === kook is now known as ffio [21:12] good evening to all [21:41]

I bought over 10.000 dollar system 76 computer [21:41] wow... [21:45] lotuspsychje: As the song says " I can only imagine " ! [21:45] Bashing-om: what a ripoff... [21:48] lotuspsychje: I take that with several graons of salt .. sure to be an exaggeration . Else, wow what a power bill to support that power supply ! [21:48] Bashing-om: weird layout from faluce, 2 intel cards?? [21:53] lotuspsychje: Maybe, could be a dual head on the card ? - Think I have seen one other similar (?) . [21:53] cant recall anything like that [21:55] !info i965-va-driver [21:55] i965-va-driver (source: intel-vaapi-driver): VAAPI driver for Intel G45 & HD Graphics family. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.5.0-1 (vivid), package size 237 kB, installed size 1797 kB (Only available for amd64; i386; kfreebsd-amd64; kfreebsd-i386) [21:58] Bashing-om: maybe this one for faluce Bashing-om ? [21:58] lotuspsychje: Ouch .. did I just mess up ? [21:59] Bashing-om: im not sure either mate, experimental guess :p [21:59] didnt see that card before [22:00] Well, I guess we can find out .. let her rip, and we can purge, and install intel-vaapi-driver . Live and learn, huh . [22:00] indeed [22:13] !info intel-linux-graphics-installer [22:13] Package intel-linux-graphics-installer does not exist in vivid [22:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1493888 [22:13] Ubuntu bug 1493888 in fglrx-installer-updates (Ubuntu Wily) "FGLRX incompatible with gcc 5" [High,Fix released] [22:14] that new R9 again, always troubles [22:14] he came here yesterday on trusty also, with same issues [22:17] lotuspsychje: R9 is supposedly also fixed . Humm .. I can direct him to one of the R9 testers . [22:18] Bashing-om: sure [22:22] Bashing-om: usefull link? http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux [22:25] look'n .. at http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux . [22:25] Bashing-om: seems like that new crimson amd prop drivers right? [22:28] lotuspsychje: Yeah; I would think .. Supposedly AMD is now working cloeely with our people to get us their driver support . [22:30] !info xserver-xorg-video-intel [22:30] xserver-xorg-video-intel (source: xserver-xorg-video-intel): X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.99.917-1~exp1ubuntu2.2 (vivid), package size 716 kB, installed size 3341 kB (Only available for amd64; i386; kfreebsd-amd64; kfreebsd-i386) [22:34] OerHeks: whats command again to see dependecies for a package [22:34] dpkg something [22:36] I'd suggest be careful with the VAAPI driver; I have pretty bad experiences with that... [22:36] JanC: ok tnx [22:37] especially on GStreamer-based apps (not sure if other apps have the same issues) [22:37] JanC: but we just had a users with weird intel dual card [22:38] but with GStreamer apps enabling he gstreamer vaapi driver has always resulted in not being able to seek inside videos anymore [22:39] I haven't really investigated deeply though [22:39] OerHeks: ubuntu-desktop shows in seahorse dependecies, ill keep off :p [22:39] hey MonkeyDust [22:39] i am not even sure there is an alternative [22:39] what package is nm-tool part of? [22:39] hi lotuspsychje [22:39] MonkeyDust: network-manager? [22:40] ok, tnx [22:40] (the intel vaapi driver is supposed to do hardware-assisted video decoding, but if you can't seek that's quite useless) [22:40] it's for my lxc container [22:41] !info nm-tool [22:41] Package nm-tool does not exist in vivid [22:42] !nm-tool trusty [22:43] !info nm-tool trusty [22:43] lotuspsychje installing, had to use sudo apt update --fix-missing, tho [22:43] Package nm-tool does not exist in trusty [22:43] MonkeyDust: seems like they removed it from 15.04 + [22:44] nmcli ? [22:44] !info nmcli [22:44] Package nmcli does not exist in vivid [22:44] !info nm-cli [22:44] Package nm-cli does not exist in vivid [22:44] it's not a package but a command :) [22:45] oh [22:45] yeah man nmcli works [22:46] it's in the 'network-manager' package [22:46] says: dpkg -S `which nmcli` [22:48] its grafix support night again :p [22:49] lotuspsychje: :) Are we having fun, now ? [22:49] Bashing-om: hehe [22:49] !info network-manager [22:49] network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.10.0-4ubuntu15.3 (vivid), package size 788 kB, installed size 3188 kB (Only available for linux-any) [22:50] lotuspsychje no, you were right, nm-tool is part of network-manager [22:50] MonkeyDust: yeah but ive read 15.04+ its not part anymore [22:51] virtual machine to the rescue, for answers! [22:51] :p:p [22:54] ok, i was just saying how much i liked the ubunta interface and how fast it loaded was quickly redirected here [22:54] lmao [22:55] such a strict scientific community perhaps im underdressed [23:00] lotuspsychje true, it's no longer there in 15.10, pity [23:11] MonkeyDust: hope you can find what your trying :p [23:11] ok nite nite guys [23:12] Hey guys! Should I install ubuntu on my macbook pro? Is that a smart thing to do? :D [23:14] I think nm-tool was a 3rd party tool before nmcli existed? [23:15] http://askubuntu.com/questions/617067/why-nm-tool-is-no-longer-available-in-ubuntu-15-04 [23:15] so maybe not 3rd-party [23:15] and there also is nmtui? [23:15] Opcode90: Thing is that #ubuntu is THE support channel, and it is some kind of busy . Anything off-topic there is a major detraction from us keeping up with support . Why there exist several other discussion channels . [23:16] I got that right away, same way in vmware [23:16] which brought me first to irc [23:16] so i came here [23:16] got out of the way [23:17] not sure how loose or tight it is here even [23:17] all of freenode to me is a blessing, no messing around straight to the point [23:18] See it would be off topic probably for me to say [23:19] im using vmware right now, on my other box, installed my licensed 8.1 windows and activated the guest client under it and upgrading it to Windows 10 just so i can write down my permanent prodcut code. [23:20] as it has to do with vmware and windows and nothing to do with ubuntu [23:21] truth is, i want to learn it all [23:21] i spent couple weeks on ubuntu server AWS Amazon free for one year [23:22] until one evenining i couldnt access my VPC, i though well all night i couldnt so next day it pops up just fine [23:22] so i deleted the default VPC [23:22] sayin ill undo everything i did and start over [23:22] turns out [23:23] on Amazon Ubuntu AWS VPC , only tech support can recreate the default VPC [23:24] You can create your own VPC but without Amazons default VPC it will fail in certain regions [23:24] there is no TECH SUPPORT not even email to Amazon AWS [23:24] without paying 49.99 or so a month [23:25] so i said to myself, let me cancel the service [23:25] I found a much more friendly service on Digital Ocean. [23:26] I installed Ubuntu server, installed ZNC and psyBnc to compare [23:26] being new to all of this [23:26] but then realized [23:26] neither hide your host unless you have a VHOST [23:27] so after learning alot of command line commands as they recommend no GUI for Ubuntu servers because they are security risks [23:28] I went with Kirenet.com but be sure not to use the web one get yourself a shell. [23:28] The Web one sounds like it supports Vhost but does not. [23:28] so how much do you pay for your VPS now? :) [23:29] I cancelled AWS AMazon and Cancelled Digital Ocean and I pay 5.50 a month on Kirenet.com for shell and VHost [23:31] I must say though I really liked Digital Ocean for simplicity [23:31] you can get a VPS + reverse DNS (which I guess is what you mean by "vhost") for 4.64 euro at my hoster ;) [23:32] and although for maybe big companies AWS Amazon may have more options it makes its money off tech support contracts [23:33] yes i understand somewhat unclearly but that Vhost is a reverse DNS [23:33] maybe I pay to much but i have to be done with the thing [23:33] i have other goals [23:33] you need your own domain name for a non-default reverse DNS though [23:34] ya so that means buying a domain name then paying for ever dns right? [23:34] reverse dns right? [23:34] and the easiest way to hide your IP address is just to register your account with Freenode and ask for a cloak ;) [23:35] thats a tighnite group [23:35] that means hoops [23:35] ive read about that [23:35] and cloak is not unbreakable they all tell me [23:36] even if you get past my anything, vhost, all you'll find is kirenet.com [23:36] reverse DNS is easier to get your IP address than a cloak [23:36] or at least as easy [23:36] well that reverse DNS doesnt belong to me [23:37] so all they will get is kirenet.com's [23:37] i bounce off a server [23:37] to get here [23:37] then use a vhost just to hide other info [23:37] it all leads back to kirenet.com [23:37] that would be the same with any VPS [23:37] not me [23:38] look im not looking to rob a bank [23:38] in fact im a coder, and refuse to write code to hurt anyone [23:38] no mischief [23:39] pretty much all code can potentially hurt someone [23:40] well you must tust someone, theres and Operating System you are on to get here, either a webbroweser or irc client.... [23:41] I noticed you didn't mention Tor [23:42] I refuse to use TOR. no offense to anyonbe but its required you spend 3 days on their Server before being added to a list so that you can use socks to be anon here. [23:43] All I saw was everything I never want to be again, it was all hacking channels [23:43] I dont want to use them or them use me. [23:44]