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| Angretlam | Hello! | 03:43 |
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| Angretlam | Anyone here who can assist me with trying to volunteer with this platform? | 03:45 |
| Unit193 | As in, help make UbuntuStudio better? | 03:45 |
| Unit193 | If that's the case, there's a development channel, #ubuntustudio-devel though right this minute not much activity so you may have to wait a couple hours before a dev pops up. There's also the development mailing list. | 03:47 |
| Angretlam | Not so much on the dev side. As in, help with PR or whatever else one can help with aside from dev. | 03:52 |
| hispeed67 | c00t3r | 03:52 |
| Angretlam | At some point I'd like to do more of the dev, but I'd need to learn a lot more than my python/php scripting knowledge. | 03:53 |
| Unit193 | Angretlam: Development related stuff goes on there as well, of course. | 04:02 |
| Unit193 | you'll find them a bit quiet now though, considering the time. | 04:03 |
| OvenWerks | Angretlam: The lead dev is UTC +2 or 3 so will probably wake up soon. | 04:03 |
| Angretlam | Okay, thank you. Who would be good to speak with for PR? Maybe helping with Social MEdia. | 04:03 |
| OvenWerks | Angretlam: Look for zequence | 04:04 |
| Unit193 | Oh nice, OvenWerks is alive! \o/ | 04:04 |
| OvenWerks | utc -7 | 04:04 |
| Angretlam | Okay. Thank you to the both of you. | 04:04 |
| Angretlam | How long have both of you been associated with StudioUbuntu? | 04:06 |
| OvenWerks | Angretlam: Sakrecoer is part of PR and is normally around on ubuntustudio-devel | 04:08 |
| OvenWerks | Angretlam: I have been around since 12.04 ish | 04:09 |
| Unit193 | I've been hanging out in here since sometime in 2013 I believe. | 04:09 |
| Angretlam | Okay. I think I first bumped into this distro around then, but I didn't tarry long. What's kept you here in the group so far? | 04:10 |
| OvenWerks | most of the menu layout is mine, some of the system settings too. | 04:10 |
| OvenWerks | It's waht I use, may as well make install work the best I can. | 04:11 |
| OvenWerks | I am working on "autojack" which should make pulseaudio and jack work together a lot better. | 04:11 |
| Angretlam | Cool beans. So you are on the dev side then. | 04:12 |
| OvenWerks | I am not much good at PR or look and feel... I seem to be stuck on the 90s :) | 04:12 |
| OvenWerks | I actually Like the 95ish fvwm look. | 04:13 |
| Angretlam | Haha. It's not all too bad. When I spend my time in SSH more often than not, the gui really doens't matter anyways. | 04:16 |
| OvenWerks | I do that too, both irc and email are ssh for me. | 04:17 |
| Unit193 | Alpine+irssi+newsbeuter+etc. :P | 04:17 |
| Unit193 | I use firefox though! | 04:17 |
| OvenWerks | But a DAW is pretty hard to use through SSH. | 04:17 |
| Angretlam | ^That is true. I can't say I've done any daws through SSH, at least not yet. | 04:18 |
| OvenWerks | There is one... trying to remember what it is called. | 04:18 |
| Angretlam | I think I'm content for the moment, just trying to better understand the Linux side of Audio Production. | 04:19 |
| OvenWerks | Nama is all CLI, there are some blind people who use it. It seems to work really well | 04:21 |
| OvenWerks | https://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html | 04:21 |
| OvenWerks | currently I am learning c++ by working on Ardour. I have been doing bug fixes in the control surface end of things. | 04:22 |
| Angretlam | Do you have any comparitive experience with Java or Objective C? | 04:23 |
| OvenWerks | not really, I have used basic, assembly, c, tk/tcl, perl and a bit of python. | 04:24 |
| Angretlam | Okay. So, what are you using to build your autojack? | 04:24 |
| OvenWerks | so far it is a bash script. | 04:25 |
| OvenWerks | it is run at session start. | 04:25 |
| OvenWerks | it unloads unneeded things from pulseaudio, such as device detection and alsa devices as well as the jack-detect. | 04:26 |
| OvenWerks | Then it starts jack on the selected device (or the default) and resets the pa-jack bridge. | 04:27 |
| Angretlam | Okay. I understand the scope a bit better now. | 04:28 |
| OvenWerks | It then bounces through the rest of the audio devices and connects them to jack using zita-ajbridge. It can create secondary pa-jack bridges for these devices as well. | 04:28 |
| OvenWerks | Angretlam: We are seeing so many people that are trying to use USB mics with internal outputs :P | 04:28 |
| OvenWerks | I also want to be able to switch Jack's master device if the user selected main device shows up after session start. | 04:29 |
| OvenWerks | Or add a USB device later as well. | 04:30 |
| OvenWerks | There is another project called ubuntustudio-controls which would be able to set which device should be default and which devices should be ignored. | 04:31 |
| Angretlam | Gotcha. So, is this the group effort to take on some of the custom applications kxstudio ahas put out? | 04:33 |
| OvenWerks | Angretlam: We would like to use some of Falktx utilities, but they would first have to be packaged in debian. | 04:36 |
| OvenWerks | the control utility though I am not so sure of. | 04:37 |
| OvenWerks | Carla we would really like to see though. | 04:38 |
| OvenWerks | A ubuntu flavour has some restraints kxstudio does not. | 04:39 |
| Angretlam | What is that? I'm curious. I do know there are some canonical reqs, but I didn't think they'd prevent progress. | 04:40 |
| Unit193 | Debian #798490 | 04:40 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 798490 in wnpp "RFP: carla -- audio plugin host supporting LADSPA, DSSI, LV2, VST2/3 and AU formats" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/798490 | 04:40 |
| OvenWerks | The basic thing is that our packages come by way of debian. | 04:40 |
| OvenWerks | This means the meet debian standards. | 04:41 |
| OvenWerks | Falk can package anything he wants. | 04:41 |
| Unit193 | In theory you could actually get them directly into Ubuntu, but then someone would have to maintain it and all that jazz. | 04:41 |
| Angretlam | Gotcha. It makes sense, and it doesn't. It would be nice if there was a more unified body. | 04:43 |
| Angretlam | I know many highschool/college students/home bodies that would love to have a nice electronic studio | 04:43 |
| Angretlam | without having to pay $$ for mac equipment or deal with Microsofts shady privacy issues. | 04:43 |
| Angretlam | In that effort, it's actually why I came to Ubuntu studio. I want to help so that it is a platform better known, | 04:46 |
| Angretlam | and well suited for live and studio use. I've met a lot of people who would love to have the opportunity to | 04:47 |
| Angretlam | use this system, but haven't had the experience. As I get more familiar with it, I hope to help them and induct them | 04:47 |
| Angretlam | into the world of linux and AV. | 04:47 |
| OvenWerks | Sounds good. | 04:48 |
| OvenWerks | Unit193: I have tried to make a proper start at debianizing Carla. | 04:49 |
| OvenWerks | Debian howtos and tools seem to expect auto tools. | 04:49 |
| OvenWerks | debianizing Carla would require customizing some things and then starting to figure out depends from there. | 04:50 |
| OvenWerks | Unit193: I need something much simpler to start with I think. | 04:51 |
| OvenWerks | Odd as it sounds, a straight tarball build of Carla is quite straight forward... easy even. | 04:52 |
| Unit193 | OvenWerks: Well it bundles a lot, so that's another problem. But yes, easier start would be good. | 04:52 |
| * Unit193 has done a bit of packaging. | 04:53 | |
| OvenWerks | I should probably start with my own utilities :) | 04:53 |
| Angretlam | You've piqued my interests. What would I need to know to get my feet wet with dev? I understand high-level programming (Python) | 04:55 |
| OvenWerks | It depends | 04:55 |
| OvenWerks | (my favourite answer) | 04:55 |
| OvenWerks | It depends on what you want to do. | 04:56 |
| OvenWerks | It depends on if you are going to to use launchpad and BZR or something else. | 04:56 |
| OvenWerks | Mine are on github. | 04:56 |
| Unit193 | Launchpad does Git now. | 04:57 |
| Angretlam | I guess I wouldn't necassarily know where to start and by extension know what I want to do. | 04:57 |
| Angretlam | I like to contribute, but I've never been apart of a dev group. I've always done all coding on my own. | 04:58 |
| OvenWerks | Unit193: not sure if they felt welcomed or sent away... | 05:30 |
| Unit193 | Well it seemed pretty welcoming to me. | 05:30 |
| Unit193 | OvenWerks: Not in -ot yet? | 05:30 |
| OvenWerks | -ot? | 05:31 |
| Unit193 | #ubuntustudio-offtopic | 05:36 |
| OvenWerks | Ah, guess I should be there too. | 05:36 |
| studio-user896 | hello | 21:34 |
| studio-user896 | in a new user | 21:35 |
| craigbass76 | I want a lighter weight desktop to aim more horsepower toward the recoding, instead of the GUI. What do I need to install if I first throw xubuntu on, or am I better off installing ubuntu studio then putting xfce on? | 22:02 |
| craigbass76 | Next question, sort of unrelated... What piece of equipment are you folks using to get more than one track of audio oat a time into the computer? At some point I'm going to replace an old Mackie HDR with a computer and (insert piece of equipment here) | 22:03 |
| OvenWerks | craigbass76: ubuntustudio is already based on xubuntu | 22:04 |
| craigbass76 | :P | 22:04 |
| craigbass76 | OvenWerks: Thanks. I should have seen that. | 22:05 |
| OvenWerks | how much are you looking to spend on an IO box? | 22:05 |
| OvenWerks | https://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-1818VSL | 22:05 |
| OvenWerks | is $500sih I think. | 22:05 |
| OvenWerks | *$500ish | 22:06 |
| craigbass76 | Aww... Phew. I was thinking I'd get shafted for way over a grand. I think we paid 3k-ish for the Mackie back in the day | 22:06 |
| craigbass76 | Do you use this rig personally? | 22:06 |
| OvenWerks | personally, I am using a delta 66 from days gone by. | 22:06 |
| OvenWerks | But I have heard that people have had good success using it with Linux. | 22:07 |
| craigbass76 | 18 simultaneous... That's awesome. I don't think I've ever used more than 12 at a whack, and that was with the drums taking up seven or eight | 22:08 |
| OvenWerks | focusrite has this one: http://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-18i20 | 22:09 |
| craigbass76 | Sweetwater has some so many day money back deals, so if I can't make 'er go I can always return it, but if you say people have had good luck I should be fine | 22:09 |
| OvenWerks | A look through thge linux audio users archives will find some people's experiences | 22:09 |
| OvenWerks | http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/ It is almost easier to search using google | 22:10 |
| OvenWerks | for example: https://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7543 | 22:11 |
| craigbass76 | so either one, I just plug instruments in one end, run usb out to a computer, and bam? | 22:12 |
| OvenWerks | pretty much, run jack on it. | 22:12 |
| craigbass76 | with lots of swearing in the second half? | 22:12 |
| OvenWerks | The units are USB2.0 compliant so linux should just see them out of the box. | 22:13 |
| craigbass76 | Remember when USB first came out and everything was supposed to "just work?" I remember kodak cameras being the biggest cluster... | 22:14 |
| OvenWerks | At the time I was running on free give away old computers so USB was the thing I didn't see :) | 22:15 |
| OvenWerks | There are some mutli channel PCIe cards, but they are all 1k plus. | 22:16 |
| OvenWerks | So when I bought my latest mother board, I looked for something with as many old pci slots as I could. (got 3) | 22:18 |
| OvenWerks | I run the D66 in one of them and and old audioPCI in another for MIDI. | 22:18 |
| craigbass76 | We don't hire out the studio anymore, and the electric drums only take up two tracks (unless I guess if I run each pad seperately and trigger drums sounds in the software somehow) so these two rigs you pointed me at should be plenty | 22:22 |
| OvenWerks | Ever look at drumgizmo? | 22:22 |
| * OvenWerks does actually break his pad set into 9 tracks. | 22:23 | |
| craigbass76 | No. I sampled a friend's set of DW's back in the day, and have been noodling with those recordings in I think Hydrogen | 22:23 |
| craigbass76 | Haven't messed with it in about a year. I've got a spare laptop drive though, so I'll throw ubuntu studio on this laptop and start getting ready | 22:24 |
| OvenWerks | I think there is a new thing out called MRDR or drmr that will take hydrogen patches in a plugin. | 22:24 |
| craigbass76 | Oh, I've just been dumping out to a wave and using that as a track in audacity | 22:24 |
| OvenWerks | That would work too. | 22:24 |
| craigbass76 | Of course, if you realize too late the kick's too loud... | 22:25 |
| craigbass76 | Is there a website anywhere for collaborators to gather? "Hey, I need a lead track," or "I can cut you a bass track" type of thing. | 22:26 |
| OvenWerks | join the lau mail list. I have seen people do remix or add a track here and there. | 22:27 |
| OvenWerks | Most people are using Ardour though. | 22:27 |
| OvenWerks | (as a DAW) | 22:30 |
| craigbass76 | I used it on like Fedora4, but it did look slick | 22:30 |
| OvenWerks | if you are installing it from repo get ardour4 or ardour3 not just ardour which is probably arodur 2. | 22:32 |
| OvenWerks | latest is 4.4.0 release. 4.5 this month though. | 22:33 |
| craigbass76 | Off to install. Thanks OvenWerks | 22:46 |
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