[03:43] <Angretlam> Hello!
[03:45] <Angretlam> Anyone here who can assist me with trying to volunteer with this platform?
[03:45] <Unit193> As in, help make UbuntuStudio better?
[03:47] <Unit193> If that's the case, there's a development channel, #ubuntustudio-devel though right this minute not much activity so you may have to wait a couple hours before a dev pops up.  There's also the development mailing list.
[03:52] <Angretlam> Not so much on the dev side. As in, help with PR or whatever else one can help with aside from dev.
[03:52] <hispeed67> c00t3r
[03:53] <Angretlam> At some point I'd like to do more of the dev, but I'd need to learn a lot more than my python/php scripting knowledge.
[04:02] <Unit193> Angretlam: Development related stuff goes on there as well, of course.
[04:03] <Unit193> you'll find them a bit quiet now though, considering the time.
[04:03] <OvenWerks> Angretlam: The lead dev is UTC +2 or 3 so will probably wake up soon.
[04:03] <Angretlam> Okay, thank you. Who would be good to speak with for PR? Maybe helping with Social MEdia.
[04:04] <OvenWerks> Angretlam: Look for zequence
[04:04] <Unit193> Oh nice, OvenWerks is alive! \o/
[04:04] <OvenWerks> utc -7
[04:04] <Angretlam> Okay. Thank you to the both of you.
[04:06] <Angretlam> How long have both of you been associated with StudioUbuntu?
[04:08] <OvenWerks> Angretlam: Sakrecoer is part of PR and is normally around on ubuntustudio-devel
[04:09] <OvenWerks> Angretlam: I have been around since 12.04 ish
[04:09] <Unit193> I've been hanging out in here since sometime in 2013 I believe.
[04:10] <Angretlam> Okay. I think I first bumped into this distro around then, but I didn't tarry long. What's kept you here in the group so far?
[04:10] <OvenWerks> most of the menu layout is mine, some of the system settings too.
[04:11] <OvenWerks> It's waht I use, may as well make install work the best I can.
[04:11] <OvenWerks> I am working on "autojack" which should make pulseaudio and jack work together a lot better.
[04:12] <Angretlam> Cool beans. So you are  on the dev side then.
[04:12] <OvenWerks> I am not much good at PR or look and feel... I seem to be stuck on the 90s :)
[04:13] <OvenWerks> I actually Like the 95ish fvwm look.
[04:16] <Angretlam> Haha. It's not all too bad. When I spend my time in SSH more often than not, the gui really doens't matter anyways.
[04:17] <OvenWerks> I do that too, both irc and email are ssh for me.
[04:17] <Unit193> Alpine+irssi+newsbeuter+etc. :P
[04:17] <Unit193> I use firefox though!
[04:17] <OvenWerks> But a DAW is pretty hard to use through SSH.
[04:18] <Angretlam> ^That is true. I can't say I've done any daws through SSH, at least not yet.
[04:18] <OvenWerks> There is one... trying to remember what it is called.
[04:19] <Angretlam> I think I'm content for the moment, just trying to better understand the Linux side of Audio Production.
[04:21] <OvenWerks> Nama is all CLI, there are some blind people who use it. It seems to work really well
[04:21] <OvenWerks> https://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html
[04:22] <OvenWerks> currently I am learning c++ by working on Ardour. I have been doing bug fixes in the control surface end of things.
[04:23] <Angretlam> Do you have any comparitive experience with Java or Objective C?
[04:24] <OvenWerks> not really, I have used basic, assembly, c, tk/tcl, perl and a bit of python.
[04:24] <Angretlam> Okay. So, what are you using to build your autojack?
[04:25] <OvenWerks> so far it is a bash script.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> it is run at session start.
[04:26] <OvenWerks> it unloads unneeded things from pulseaudio, such as device detection and alsa devices as well as the jack-detect.
[04:27] <OvenWerks> Then it starts jack on the selected device (or the default) and resets the pa-jack bridge.
[04:28] <Angretlam> Okay. I understand the scope a bit better now.
[04:28] <OvenWerks> It then bounces through the rest of the audio devices and connects them to jack using zita-ajbridge. It can create secondary pa-jack bridges for these devices as well.
[04:28] <OvenWerks> Angretlam: We are seeing so many people that are trying to use USB mics with internal outputs :P
[04:29] <OvenWerks> I also want to be able to switch Jack's master device if the user selected main device shows up after session start.
[04:30] <OvenWerks> Or add a USB device later as well.
[04:31] <OvenWerks> There is another project called ubuntustudio-controls which would be able to set which device should be default and which devices should be ignored.
[04:33] <Angretlam> Gotcha. So, is this the group effort to take on some of the custom applications kxstudio ahas put out?
[04:36] <OvenWerks> Angretlam: We would like to use some of Falktx utilities, but they would first have to be packaged in debian.
[04:37] <OvenWerks>  the control utility though I am not so sure of.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> Carla we would really like to see though.
[04:39] <OvenWerks> A ubuntu flavour has some restraints kxstudio does not.
[04:40] <Angretlam> What is that? I'm curious. I do know there are some canonical reqs, but I didn't think they'd prevent progress.
[04:40] <Unit193> Debian #798490
[04:40] <OvenWerks> The basic thing is that our packages come by way of debian.
[04:41] <OvenWerks> This means the meet debian standards.
[04:41] <OvenWerks> Falk can package anything he wants.
[04:41] <Unit193> In theory you could actually get them directly into Ubuntu, but then someone would have to maintain it and all that jazz.
[04:43] <Angretlam> Gotcha. It makes sense, and it doesn't. It would be nice if there was a more unified body.
[04:43] <Angretlam> I know many highschool/college students/home bodies that would love to have a nice electronic studio
[04:43] <Angretlam> without having to pay $$ for mac equipment or deal with Microsofts shady privacy issues.
[04:46] <Angretlam> In that effort, it's actually why I came to Ubuntu studio. I want to help so that it is a platform better known,
[04:47] <Angretlam> and well suited for live and studio use. I've met a lot of people who would love to have the opportunity to
[04:47] <Angretlam> use this system, but haven't had the experience. As I get more familiar with it, I hope to help them and induct them
[04:47] <Angretlam> into the world of linux and AV.
[04:48] <OvenWerks> Sounds good.
[04:49] <OvenWerks> Unit193: I have tried to make a proper start at debianizing Carla.
[04:49] <OvenWerks> Debian howtos and tools seem to expect auto tools.
[04:50] <OvenWerks> debianizing Carla would require customizing some things and then starting to figure out depends from there.
[04:51] <OvenWerks> Unit193: I need something much simpler to start with I think.
[04:52] <OvenWerks> Odd as it sounds, a straight tarball build of Carla is quite straight forward... easy even.
[04:52] <Unit193> OvenWerks: Well it bundles a lot, so that's another problem.  But yes, easier start would be good.
[04:53]  * Unit193 has done a bit of packaging.
[04:53] <OvenWerks> I should probably start with my own utilities :)
[04:55] <Angretlam> You've piqued my interests. What would I need to know to get my feet wet with dev? I understand high-level programming (Python)
[04:55] <OvenWerks> It depends
[04:55] <OvenWerks> (my favourite answer)
[04:56] <OvenWerks> It depends on what you want to do.
[04:56] <OvenWerks> It depends on if you are going to to use launchpad and BZR or something else.
[04:56] <OvenWerks> Mine are on github.
[04:57] <Unit193> Launchpad does Git now.
[04:57] <Angretlam> I guess I wouldn't necassarily know where to start and by extension know what I want to do.
[04:58] <Angretlam> I like to contribute, but I've never been apart of a dev group. I've always done all coding on my own.
[05:30] <OvenWerks> Unit193: not sure if they felt welcomed or sent away...
[05:30] <Unit193> Well it seemed pretty welcoming to me.
[05:30] <Unit193> OvenWerks: Not in -ot yet?
[05:31] <OvenWerks> -ot?
[05:36] <Unit193> #ubuntustudio-offtopic
[05:36] <OvenWerks> Ah, guess I should be there too.
[21:34] <studio-user896> hello
[21:35] <studio-user896> in a new user
[22:02] <craigbass76> I want a lighter weight desktop to aim more horsepower toward the recoding, instead of the GUI.  What do I need to install if I first throw xubuntu on, or am I better off installing ubuntu studio then putting xfce on?
[22:03] <craigbass76> Next question, sort of unrelated...  What piece of equipment are you folks using to get more than one track of audio oat a time into the computer?  At some point I'm going to replace an old Mackie HDR with a computer and (insert piece of equipment here)
[22:04] <OvenWerks> craigbass76: ubuntustudio is already based on xubuntu
[22:04] <craigbass76> :P
[22:05] <craigbass76> OvenWerks: Thanks.  I should have seen that.
[22:05] <OvenWerks> how much are you looking to spend on an IO box?
[22:05] <OvenWerks> https://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-1818VSL
[22:05] <OvenWerks> is $500sih I think.
[22:06] <OvenWerks> *$500ish
[22:06] <craigbass76> Aww... Phew.  I was thinking I'd get shafted for way over a grand.  I think we paid 3k-ish for the Mackie back in the day
[22:06] <craigbass76> Do you use this rig personally?
[22:06] <OvenWerks> personally, I am using a delta 66 from days gone by.
[22:07] <OvenWerks> But I have heard that people have had good success using it with Linux.
[22:08] <craigbass76> 18 simultaneous...  That's awesome.  I don't think I've ever used more than 12 at a whack, and that was with the drums taking up seven or eight
[22:09] <OvenWerks> focusrite has this one: http://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-18i20
[22:09] <craigbass76> Sweetwater has some so many day money back deals, so if I can't make 'er go I can always return it, but if you say people have had good luck I should be fine
[22:09] <OvenWerks> A look through thge linux audio users archives will find some people's experiences
[22:10] <OvenWerks> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/ It is almost easier to search using google
[22:11] <OvenWerks> for example: https://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7543
[22:12] <craigbass76> so either one, I just plug instruments in one end, run usb out to a computer, and bam?
[22:12] <OvenWerks> pretty much, run jack on it.
[22:12] <craigbass76> with lots of swearing in the second half?
[22:13] <OvenWerks> The units are USB2.0 compliant so linux should just see them out of the box.
[22:14] <craigbass76> Remember when USB first came out and everything was supposed to "just work?"  I remember kodak cameras being the biggest cluster...
[22:15] <OvenWerks> At the time I was running on free give away old computers so USB was the thing I didn't see :)
[22:16] <OvenWerks> There are some mutli channel PCIe cards, but they are all 1k plus.
[22:18] <OvenWerks> So when I bought my latest mother board, I looked for something with as many old pci slots as I could. (got 3)
[22:18] <OvenWerks> I run the D66 in one of them and and old audioPCI in another for MIDI.
[22:22] <craigbass76> We don't hire out the studio anymore, and the electric drums only take up two tracks (unless I guess if I run each pad seperately and trigger drums sounds in the software somehow) so these two rigs you pointed me at should be plenty
[22:22] <OvenWerks> Ever look at drumgizmo?
[22:23]  * OvenWerks does actually break his pad set into 9 tracks.
[22:23] <craigbass76> No.  I sampled a friend's set of DW's back in the day, and have been noodling with those recordings in I think Hydrogen
[22:24] <craigbass76> Haven't messed with it in about a year.  I've got a spare laptop drive though, so I'll throw ubuntu studio on this laptop and start getting ready
[22:24] <OvenWerks> I think there is a new thing out called MRDR or drmr that will take hydrogen patches in a plugin.
[22:24] <craigbass76> Oh, I've just been dumping out to a wave and using that as a track in audacity
[22:24] <OvenWerks> That would work too.
[22:25] <craigbass76> Of course, if you realize too late the kick's too loud...
[22:26] <craigbass76> Is there a website anywhere for collaborators to gather?  "Hey, I need a lead track," or "I can cut you a bass track" type of thing.
[22:27] <OvenWerks> join the lau mail list. I have seen people do remix or add a track here and there.
[22:27] <OvenWerks> Most people are using Ardour though.
[22:30] <OvenWerks> (as a DAW)
[22:30] <craigbass76> I used it on like Fedora4, but it did look slick
[22:32] <OvenWerks> if you are installing it from repo get ardour4 or ardour3 not just ardour which is probably arodur 2.
[22:33] <OvenWerks> latest is 4.4.0 release. 4.5 this month though.
[22:46] <craigbass76> Off to install.  Thanks OvenWerks