| vertago1 | valorie: sorry I forgot to tag you in my previous responses. see above | 00:00 |
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| valorie | I always read backscroll | 00:01 |
| valorie | :-) | 00:01 |
| valorie | vertago1: very good to see you | 00:01 |
| valorie | one thing we lack is up-to-date packaging documentation/tutorial | 00:02 |
| valorie | new packagers keep saying they'll do it, and presumably take notes, but so far, that's as far as it has gotten | 00:02 |
| wxl | valorie: et al. anyone need kubuntu tasks put into the google code-in queue? | 00:03 |
| vertago1 | Is there an out of date wiki? | 00:04 |
| vertago1 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development ? | 00:04 |
| valorie | wxl: KDE is doing GCi too | 00:06 |
| wxl | valorie: oh yeah duh, nevermind :) | 00:06 |
| valorie | so .... | 00:06 |
| wxl | i remember noticing that early on but i kind of forgot | 00:06 |
| valorie | we're rather short of mentor time this year | 00:06 |
| wxl | it's been a real whirlwind of activity for me the last few days | 00:06 |
| valorie | vertago1: that is a good page | 00:07 |
| valorie | but not detailed enough, right? | 00:07 |
| valorie | wxl: same here | 00:07 |
| wxl | valorie: i would suggest mentioning #ubuntu-google as a support option for students. there's a lot of questions that don't necessarily require the help of an expert, i've found | 00:07 |
| valorie | our KDE students aren't all using *ubuntu | 00:08 |
| valorie | but sure, I'll keep that in mind | 00:08 |
| valorie | we have #kde-soc | 00:08 |
| valorie | and #kde | 00:09 |
| wxl | well, for kubuntu things at least :/ | 00:09 |
| valorie | etc. | 00:09 |
| valorie | right | 00:09 |
| valorie | haven't seen any students on #kubuntu yet | 00:09 |
| wxl | and honestly a lot of them just need help using the gci interface | 00:09 |
| valorie | we had one student abandon a task after asking a question FOUR MINUTES later | 00:11 |
| valorie | ! | 00:11 |
| vertago1 | valorie: yeah. I think some tutorials would be helpful. I am familiar with using apt source and adding a patch and rebuilding the package | 00:11 |
| valorie | but as I explained to the mentor -- this kid doesn't know that it's a world-wide community | 00:11 |
| valorie | or that it is a community at all | 00:11 |
| valorie | that there are real people involved, who work and sleep | 00:12 |
| tsimonq2 | and: | 00:12 |
| tsimonq2 | !patience | 00:12 |
| ubottu | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ | 00:12 |
| tsimonq2 | THIS is why we need the bot in #uubntu-google | 00:12 |
| tsimonq2 | *ubuntu | 00:12 |
| valorie | but to be fair: that's why there is such a contest | 00:13 |
| valorie | to introduce the students to the world of free software and the people who make it | 00:13 |
| tsimonq2 | yep | 00:13 |
| valorie | and it takes some work on our part | 00:13 |
| tsimonq2 | +1 | 00:13 |
| vertago1 | So if it fails because of a git exception don't troubleshoot it at the moment? | 00:22 |
| vertago1 | From looking at the output of those recent failures it looks like there might be an issue with the merger and the backports branch | 00:26 |
| valorie | right, and scarlett had to leave to the deathbed of her aunt before she could troubleshoot/finish the merger | 00:28 |
| valorie | life and death happens | 00:28 |
| vertago1 | If I were to look into it, where would I document what I find? | 00:31 |
| valorie | vertago1: I would either fix the doc you did find, or link new docs to it for specific topics, like : troubleshooting CI, Debian merges, Backporting | 00:37 |
| valorie | etc. | 00:37 |
| valorie | right there on teh wiki | 00:37 |
| valorie | also add missing links as you find them | 00:37 |
| valorie | hopefully at least the ones in the /topic of the chan are there..... | 00:38 |
| vertago1 | ouch, the wiki just blew up | 00:40 |
| vertago1 | openid.message.InvalidOpenIDNamespace | 00:40 |
| vertago1 | do you know who maintains the wiki? | 00:42 |
| vertago1 | or the server the wiki is on | 00:42 |
| vertago1 | oh it looks like it was moved | 00:43 |
| vertago1 | Here is probably the new location: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging | 00:44 |
| valorie | yeah | 00:44 |
| valorie | we stopped using the ubuntu wiki because it really sucks | 00:45 |
| valorie | oops, I should have looked at your URL more closely | 00:45 |
| valorie | sorry | 00:45 |
| vertago1 | so L10n is localization? | 00:57 |
| vertago1 | KCI supports 14.10 and later right? (Instead of just 14.10 and 15.04 dev) | 01:02 |
| vertago1 | hmm it looks like there was a build of mgmt_merger that was aborted | 01:14 |
| xnox | hello, could you please re-build all of libkf5* in xenial-proposed? | 01:28 |
| xnox | (which is against qt5.5, all the way up to kubuntu-dev, to get libreoffice-kde installable on s390x?) | 01:29 |
| xnox | otherwise nothing will migrate until that is done, and I shall be doing binNMUs of all the kubuntu things, until they build on s390x and migrate. | 01:29 |
| xnox | however that is drastic | 02:00 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 11:57 |
| soee | hiho BluesKaj | 12:01 |
| BluesKaj | Hi soee | 12:01 |
| pursuivant | muon (master) v5.4.3-172-gbcc6f03 * Carlo Vanini: src/muonapt (2 files in 2 dirs) | 14:33 |
| pursuivant | Fix history dialog layout. | 14:33 |
| pursuivant | REVIEW: 126288 | 14:33 |
| pursuivant | BUG: 343992 | 14:33 |
| pursuivant | http://commits.kde.org/muon/bcc6f0334b9d3ffc6421571b758af5f84d90bb8c | 14:33 |
| ubottu | bug 343992 in IPython "Overzealous introspection" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343992 | 14:33 |
| soee | BluesKaj: do you tried maybe kos ? | 14:39 |
| soee | they have Plasma 5.5 in latest release i think | 14:40 |
| soee | *dev probably | 14:40 |
| BluesKaj | soee, where? | 14:43 |
| soee | http://kaosx.us/early-december-15-status/ | 14:44 |
| * yofel needs a "Slow down" button for the world -.- | 15:00 | |
| BluesKaj | soee, going to try kaos? | 15:24 |
| soee | maybe in a free time | 15:25 |
| soee | just for Plasma 5.5 | 15:25 |
| BluesKaj | I have a spare partition, but I'll have a look at the live version first | 15:29 |
| BluesKaj | not rolling release fan | 15:30 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: would you be so kind to remove the stuff you and Scarlett got done from the card? https://trello.com/c/TCAk2U9J/71-debian-merges | 15:31 |
| yofel | most of the frameworks IIRC? | 15:31 |
| shadeslayer | all of them AFAIK | 15:31 |
| yofel | ah ok | 15:31 |
| yofel | then I'll just remove that checklist | 15:31 |
| yofel | thanks | 15:31 |
| shadeslayer | cheers | 15:32 |
| BluesKaj | any time line for Plasma 5.5 in the backports? | 15:34 |
| yofel | not really, though I hope I can say we have it in a ~week. From the order that's on the todo list, there's: apps 15.08.3 (WIP), frameworks 5.17 (releases on saturday), plasma 5.5 | 15:37 |
| Mirv | as mentioned on #ubuntu-devel, two metric tons of packages are migrating to release pocket right now, so Qt 5.5 is finally done <- yofel, Riddell unping therefore regarding new big uploads | 15:39 |
| yofel | \o/ | 15:39 |
| Mirv | I got a couple of plasma packages more to build on arm64 and that was one of the last things in addition to the multiple transitions in progress | 15:39 |
| yofel | Ok, perfect, thanks for your help with those. | 15:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | yofel: are you around? | 17:30 |
| yofel | ovidiu-florin: yes, for a bit | 17:31 |
| ovidiu-florin | yofel: 2 questions | 17:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | 1. these kubuntu-ci messages, are here for logging purposes, does someone actually read them? | 17:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | the status they present can be read from the CI itself, AFAIK | 17:33 |
| yofel | they are here for notification, and to remind people that there's stuff to fix (if $dev finds them so annyoing that he ends up fixing the failure, they serve their intended purpose) | 17:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | 2. is it written somewhere what needs to be done for the FW and Plasma that you told me needs to be done | 17:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | ? | 17:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | I think I have some time in the weekend, and I'd like to take a look at it | 17:34 |
| yofel | documentation of that is done on the ninja notepad, the workflow is heavily underdocumented though and the readme that exists is partly wrong. | 17:35 |
| yofel | That was supposed to be one of the tasks for automation-ng, but santa is MIA lately and his scripts are far from done, so for now we're stuck with the old scripts. | 17:36 |
| yofel | I started improving those, but after years of under-maintenance, getting things into shape again is non-trivial. | 17:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | bash or python scripts? | 17:37 |
| yofel | They do work though, as long as you know how to use them and what the pitfalls are (not documented) | 17:37 |
| sick_rimmit | Hi | 17:37 |
| yofel | Python mostly (some pieces require launchpadlib) | 17:37 |
| sick_rimmit | yofel: Did you get a resolution on the Server requirements from Michael ? | 17:37 |
| yofel | no | 17:38 |
| yofel | because I didn't do anything in that direction | 17:38 |
| sick_rimmit | Hmm, I see. Was a decision made.? | 17:38 |
| sick_rimmit | I understood that you and sgclark were discussing with mhall119 to make a decision whether to go with a JEnkins instance on Canonical | 17:39 |
| sick_rimmit | or to go with a Digital Ocean droplet ? | 17:39 |
| yofel | No. All I can still say is that sitter said that shell access is a requirement right now. | 17:39 |
| yofel | I'm honestly not sure how one would integrate our tooling into jenkins without shell access... | 17:41 |
| mhall119 | AFAIK, we're waiting to know if the current CI setup needs shell access to work, of it a hosted Jenkins setup could be used | 17:41 |
| yofel | but I'm not jenkins expert and I didn't have time to read the ci-tooling yet either | 17:41 |
| mhall119 | I've spoken to those who setup the jenkins-as-a-service in Canonical and have been told what we need to do in order to use it for Kubuntu | 17:42 |
| mhall119 | so it all hinges on whether or not it can be run in that kind of setup or not | 17:42 |
| yofel | is that kind of setup documented somewhere? | 17:42 |
| mhall119 | only our internal wiki I'm afraid | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | but from what I understand, it's a vanilla Jenkins with the ability to include Jenkins plugins | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | it actually uses one persistant control-node of Jenkins,and spins up build-nodes on demand | 17:43 |
| yofel | Ok. I probably won't have an answer for you this year. I want to replicate the CI in a VM over christmas so I actually know what I'm talking about | 17:46 |
| yofel | currently sgclark knows more about the CI than I do and she's on a trip | 17:46 |
| sick_rimmit | OK, | 17:46 |
| mhall119 | yofel: ack, I'll be off the weeks of christmas and new year's anyway, so we can revisit this in January | 17:47 |
| sick_rimmit | I think the only stumbling block on Kubuntu side is the shell access. | 17:47 |
| * mhall119 notes that "off" doesn't mean "offline", just not normal hours :) | 17:47 | |
| sick_rimmit | I believe that we can upload scripts for Jenkins to run, but that needs testing to be sure. | 17:47 |
| sick_rimmit | So, we'll revisit this in January.. | 17:48 |
| yofel | probably. If we can integrate our ruby tooling using a jenkins plugin and figure whether/how docker is needed then the hosted instance would work | 17:48 |
| sick_rimmit | I add these notes to trello, and follow in the new year.. perfect thanks guys | 17:49 |
| * yofel spent some time reading "learn ruby the hard way" and still doesn't know why that's a language he wants to know.... | 17:49 | |
| * yofel makes his way home. bbl | 17:54 | |
| * yofel found a fun thing from 4.8 times while cleaning up the disk https://kyofel.de/owncloud/index.php/s/KQL9vo8C24oVqKe | 18:40 | |
| yofel | how nostalgic | 18:40 |
| Snowhog | apt complained about a missing plymouth plugin file this morning after my normal dist-upgrade. The missing file is kubuntu-text.so. Apt suggest fixing this by installing plymouth-themes. That package is installed, and reinstalling the plymouth packages results in the same complaint, that kubuntu-text.so is missing. A search of my system confirms that it does not exist. ubuntu-text.so does. Anyone aware of this issue? This is on my | 19:20 |
| Snowhog | 16.04 64-bit Kubuntu installation. | 19:20 |
| clivejo | I havent done an apt-get today | 19:22 |
| clivejo | so I havent seen that | 19:22 |
| clivejo | are you trying to run a Plymouth session? | 19:23 |
| clivejo | or is it a default boot? | 19:24 |
| Snowhog | No, not that I am aware of. | 19:24 |
| clivejo | like any customisations? | 19:25 |
| Snowhog | No customizations. | 19:25 |
| clivejo | sorry, doing other stuff here and getting ready to leave, but Ill take a look later. Maybe yofel will be home soon and can shed some light on it | 19:26 |
| Snowhog | Appreciate that. Thank you. | 19:26 |
| yofel | I need to run as well, but please give a short step-by-step guide how you hit that error (or what commands one needs to enter to get the error message). I don't have an up-to-date xenial system around right now either | 19:28 |
| yofel | thanks | 19:28 |
| clivejo | http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text | 19:28 |
| clivejo | apparently contains that file | 19:28 |
| yofel | the ubuntu one right, question is what requires the kubuntu one | 19:28 |
| yofel | could be that plymouth.hook that the changelog talks about | 19:29 |
| yofel | I'll look more into that later | 19:29 |
| clivejo | duh Im being stupid | 19:29 |
| clivejo | sorry, I better go! | 19:30 |
| clivejo | bye | 19:30 |
| Snowhog | Some, but not all, plymouth packages are installed by default -- as far as I know. At least, I didn't specifically install any when I installed 16.04. It was after running dist-upgrade this morning that I sas the complaint by apt. To reproduce, just update your package cache and then run a dist-upgrade. The warning appears at the end of the process. | 19:35 |
| valorie | yofel: I remember that! | 21:54 |
| valorie | fun times | 21:54 |
| clivejo | you hvae strange idea of fun :P | 21:57 |
| valorie | clivejo: yeah | 22:05 |
| valorie | lol | 22:05 |
| mparillo | It looks like Plasma 5.4.3 is landing in Xenial? | 23:11 |
| valorie | ? that seems rather old.... | 23:13 |
| mparillo | I had 5.4.2 ever since the first ISO (no PPAs etc.) | 23:24 |
| soee_ | and there is 5.5 already released :) | 23:25 |
| clivejo | :( Kmail is being a *beep* | 23:27 |
| clivejo | everyday now it stops working | 23:27 |
| clivejo | Unable to fetch item from backend (collection -1) : Unable to retrieve item from resource: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. | 23:27 |
| valorie | :( | 23:27 |
| valorie | restart akonadi? | 23:28 |
| wxl | yeah and now our it mgr is freaking out ready to blame kubuntu for some gpu hangs he's having | 23:28 |
| wxl | argh | 23:28 |
| * wxl facepalms | 23:28 | |
| clivejo | I usually reboot and it fixes itself for a bit | 23:28 |
| valorie | rebooting seems a bit extreme | 23:28 |
| clivejo | but Im building calligra and cant reboot for a while | 23:28 |
| mparillo | Packagers are busy with other things. So I can save the time banging on 5.4.95 and just wait for 5.5. | 23:28 |
| valorie | but ya gotta do what ya gotta do | 23:29 |
| clivejo | akonadi restart doesnt seem to fix it | 23:29 |
| valorie | clivejo: if you use ccache, you can reboot and resume building | 23:29 |
| clivejo | its almost done | 23:30 |
| clivejo | at dh_strip | 23:30 |
| clivejo | famous last words | 23:40 |
| clivejo | its still building :/ | 23:51 |
| clivejo | hi Snowhog | 23:54 |
| Snowhog | As to plymouth on my installs; I 'did' manually install plymouth, plymouth-label, plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo, plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text, plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text, and plymouth-xll. libplymouth4 was installed automatically at some earlier point in time. | 23:54 |
| Snowhog | hi clivejo | 23:55 |
| clivejo | did you manage to fix the problem? | 23:55 |
| Snowhog | I installed those packages because I was noticing an inoccuous message during boot about plymouthd and something not being found. Didn't interfere with anything, but.... | 23:56 |
| Snowhog | No, but if I remove the plymouth* installed packages except libplymouth4, I won't see that complaint. See above. | 23:58 |
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