[00:00] <vertago1> valorie: sorry I forgot to tag you in my previous responses. see above
[00:01] <valorie> I always read backscroll
[00:01] <valorie> :-)
[00:01] <valorie> vertago1: very good to see you
[00:02] <valorie> one thing we lack is up-to-date packaging documentation/tutorial 
[00:02] <valorie> new packagers keep saying they'll do it, and presumably take notes, but so far, that's as far as it has gotten
[00:03] <wxl> valorie: et al. anyone need kubuntu tasks put into the google code-in queue?
[00:04] <vertago1> Is there an out of date wiki?
[00:04] <vertago1> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development ?
[00:06] <valorie> wxl: KDE is doing GCi too
[00:06] <wxl> valorie: oh yeah duh, nevermind :)
[00:06] <valorie> so ....
[00:06] <wxl> i remember noticing that early on but i kind of forgot
[00:06] <valorie> we're rather short of mentor time this year
[00:06] <wxl> it's been a real whirlwind of activity for me the last few days
[00:07] <valorie> vertago1: that is a good page
[00:07] <valorie> but not detailed enough, right?
[00:07] <valorie> wxl: same here
[00:07] <wxl> valorie: i would suggest mentioning #ubuntu-google as a support option for students. there's a lot of questions that don't necessarily require the help of an expert, i've found
[00:08] <valorie> our KDE students aren't all using *ubuntu
[00:08] <valorie> but sure, I'll keep that in mind
[00:08] <valorie> we have #kde-soc
[00:09] <valorie> and #kde
[00:09] <wxl> well, for kubuntu things at least :/
[00:09] <valorie> etc.
[00:09] <valorie> right
[00:09] <valorie> haven't seen any students on #kubuntu yet
[00:09] <wxl> and honestly a lot of them just need help using the gci interface
[00:11] <valorie> we had one student abandon a task after asking a question FOUR MINUTES later
[00:11] <valorie> !
[00:11] <vertago1> valorie: yeah. I think some tutorials would be helpful. I am familiar with using apt source and adding a patch and rebuilding the package
[00:11] <valorie> but as I explained to the mentor -- this kid doesn't know that it's a world-wide community
[00:11] <valorie> or that it is a community at all
[00:12] <valorie> that there are real people involved, who work and sleep
[00:12] <tsimonq2> and:
[00:12] <tsimonq2> !patience
[00:12] <tsimonq2> THIS is why we need the bot in #uubntu-google
[00:12] <tsimonq2> *ubuntu
[00:13] <valorie> but to be fair: that's why there is such a contest
[00:13] <valorie> to introduce the students to the world of free software and the people who make it
[00:13] <tsimonq2> yep
[00:13] <valorie> and it takes some work on our part
[00:13] <tsimonq2> +1
[00:22] <vertago1> So if it fails because of a git exception don't troubleshoot it at the moment?
[00:26] <vertago1> From looking at the output of those recent failures it looks like there might be an issue with the merger and the backports branch
[00:28] <valorie> right, and scarlett had to leave to the deathbed of her aunt before she could troubleshoot/finish the merger
[00:28] <valorie> life and death happens
[00:31] <vertago1> If I were to look into it, where would I document what I find?
[00:37] <valorie> vertago1: I would either fix the doc you did find, or link new docs to it for specific topics, like : troubleshooting CI, Debian merges, Backporting
[00:37] <valorie> etc.
[00:37] <valorie> right there on teh wiki
[00:37] <valorie> also add missing links as you find them
[00:38] <valorie> hopefully at least the ones in the /topic of the chan are there.....
[00:40] <vertago1> ouch, the wiki just blew up
[00:40] <vertago1> openid.message.InvalidOpenIDNamespace
[00:42] <vertago1> do you know who maintains the wiki?
[00:42] <vertago1> or the server the wiki is on
[00:43] <vertago1> oh it looks like it was moved
[00:44] <vertago1> Here is probably the new location: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging
[00:44] <valorie> yeah
[00:45] <valorie> we stopped using the ubuntu wiki because it really sucks
[00:45] <valorie> oops, I should have looked at your URL more closely
[00:45] <valorie> sorry
[00:57] <vertago1> so L10n is localization?
[01:02] <vertago1> KCI supports 14.10 and later right? (Instead of just 14.10 and 15.04 dev)
[01:14] <vertago1> hmm it looks like there was a build of mgmt_merger that was aborted
[01:28] <xnox> hello, could you please re-build all of libkf5* in xenial-proposed?
[01:29] <xnox> (which is against qt5.5, all the way up to kubuntu-dev, to get libreoffice-kde installable on s390x?)
[01:29] <xnox> otherwise nothing will migrate until that is done, and I shall be doing binNMUs of all the kubuntu things, until they build on s390x and migrate.
[02:00] <xnox> however that is drastic
[11:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:01] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[14:33] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.3-172-gbcc6f03 * Carlo Vanini: src/muonapt (2 files in 2 dirs)
[14:33] <pursuivant> Fix history dialog layout.
[14:33] <pursuivant> REVIEW: 126288
[14:33] <pursuivant> BUG: 343992
[14:33] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/bcc6f0334b9d3ffc6421571b758af5f84d90bb8c
[14:39] <soee> BluesKaj: do you tried maybe kos ?
[14:40] <soee> they have Plasma 5.5 in latest release i think
[14:40] <soee> *dev probably
[14:43] <BluesKaj> soee, where?
[14:44] <soee> http://kaosx.us/early-december-15-status/
[15:00]  * yofel needs a "Slow down" button for the world -.-
[15:24] <BluesKaj> soee, going to try kaos?
[15:25] <soee> maybe in a free time
[15:25] <soee> just for Plasma 5.5
[15:29] <BluesKaj> I have a spare partition, but I'll have a look at the live version first
[15:30] <BluesKaj> not rolling release fan 
[15:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: would you be so kind to remove the stuff you and Scarlett got done from the card? https://trello.com/c/TCAk2U9J/71-debian-merges
[15:31] <yofel> most of the frameworks IIRC?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> all of them AFAIK
[15:31] <yofel> ah ok
[15:31] <yofel> then I'll just remove that checklist
[15:31] <yofel> thanks
[15:32] <shadeslayer> cheers
[15:34] <BluesKaj> any time line for Plasma 5.5 in the backports?
[15:37] <yofel> not really, though I hope I can say we have it in a ~week. From the order that's on the todo list, there's: apps 15.08.3 (WIP), frameworks 5.17 (releases on saturday), plasma 5.5
[15:39] <Mirv> as mentioned on #ubuntu-devel, two metric tons of packages are migrating to release pocket right now, so Qt 5.5 is finally done <- yofel, Riddell unping therefore regarding new big uploads
[15:39] <yofel> \o/
[15:39] <Mirv> I got a couple of plasma packages more to build on arm64 and that was one of the last things in addition to the multiple transitions in progress
[15:40] <yofel> Ok, perfect, thanks for your help with those.
[17:30] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: are you around?
[17:31] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: yes, for a bit
[17:32] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: 2 questions
[17:32] <ovidiu-florin> 1. these kubuntu-ci messages, are here for logging purposes, does someone actually read them?
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> the status they present can be read from the CI itself, AFAIK
[17:34] <yofel> they are here for notification, and to remind people that there's stuff to fix (if $dev finds them so annyoing that he ends up fixing the failure, they serve their intended purpose)
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> 2. is it written somewhere what needs to be done for the FW and Plasma that you told me needs to be done
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> I think I have some time in the weekend, and I'd like to take a look at it
[17:35] <yofel> documentation of that is done on the ninja notepad, the workflow is heavily underdocumented though and the readme that exists is partly wrong.
[17:36] <yofel> That was supposed to be one of the tasks for automation-ng, but santa is MIA lately and his scripts are far from done, so for now we're stuck with the old scripts.
[17:37] <yofel> I started improving those, but after years of under-maintenance, getting things into shape again is non-trivial.
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> bash or python scripts?
[17:37] <yofel> They do work though, as long as you know how to use them and what the pitfalls are (not documented)
[17:37] <sick_rimmit> Hi
[17:37] <yofel> Python mostly (some pieces require launchpadlib)
[17:37] <sick_rimmit> yofel: Did you get a resolution on the Server requirements from Michael ?
[17:38] <yofel> no
[17:38] <yofel> because I didn't do anything in that direction
[17:38] <sick_rimmit> Hmm, I see. Was a decision made.?
[17:39] <sick_rimmit> I understood that you and sgclark were discussing with mhall119 to make a decision whether to go with a JEnkins instance on Canonical
[17:39] <sick_rimmit> or to go with a Digital Ocean droplet ?
[17:39] <yofel> No. All I can still say is that sitter said that shell access is a requirement right now.
[17:41] <yofel> I'm honestly not sure how one would integrate our tooling into jenkins without shell access...
[17:41] <mhall119> AFAIK, we're waiting to know if the current CI setup needs shell access to work, of it a hosted Jenkins setup could be used
[17:41] <yofel> but I'm not jenkins expert and I didn't have time to read the ci-tooling yet either
[17:42] <mhall119> I've spoken to those who setup the jenkins-as-a-service in Canonical and have been told what we need to do in order to use it for Kubuntu
[17:42] <mhall119> so it all hinges on whether or not it can be run in that kind of setup or not
[17:42] <yofel> is that kind of setup documented somewhere?
[17:43] <mhall119> only our internal wiki I'm afraid
[17:43] <mhall119> but from what I understand, it's a vanilla Jenkins with the ability to include Jenkins plugins
[17:43] <mhall119> it actually uses one persistant control-node of Jenkins,and spins up build-nodes on demand
[17:46] <yofel> Ok. I probably won't have an answer for you this year. I want to replicate the CI in a VM over christmas so I actually know what I'm talking about
[17:46] <yofel> currently sgclark knows more about the CI than I do and she's on a trip
[17:46] <sick_rimmit> OK, 
[17:47] <mhall119> yofel: ack, I'll be off the weeks of christmas and new year's anyway, so we can revisit this in January
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> I think the only stumbling block on Kubuntu side is the shell access.  
[17:47]  * mhall119 notes that "off" doesn't mean "offline", just not normal hours :)
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> I believe that we can upload scripts for Jenkins to run, but that needs testing to be sure.
[17:48] <sick_rimmit> So, we'll revisit this in January.. 
[17:48] <yofel> probably. If we can integrate our ruby tooling using a jenkins plugin and figure whether/how docker is needed then the hosted instance would work
[17:49] <sick_rimmit> I add these notes to trello, and follow in the new year.. perfect thanks guys
[17:49]  * yofel spent some time reading "learn ruby the hard way" and still doesn't know why that's a language he wants to know....
[17:54]  * yofel makes his way home. bbl
[18:40]  * yofel found a fun thing from 4.8 times while cleaning up the disk https://kyofel.de/owncloud/index.php/s/KQL9vo8C24oVqKe
[18:40] <yofel> how nostalgic
[19:20] <Snowhog> apt complained about a missing plymouth plugin file this morning after my normal dist-upgrade. The missing file is kubuntu-text.so. Apt suggest fixing this by installing plymouth-themes. That package is installed, and reinstalling the plymouth packages results in the same complaint, that kubuntu-text.so is missing. A search of my system confirms that it does not exist. ubuntu-text.so does. Anyone aware of this issue? This is on my 
[19:20] <Snowhog> 16.04 64-bit Kubuntu installation.
[19:22] <clivejo> I havent done an apt-get today 
[19:22] <clivejo> so I havent seen that
[19:23] <clivejo> are you trying to run a Plymouth session?
[19:24] <clivejo> or is it a default boot?
[19:24] <Snowhog> No, not that I am aware of.
[19:25] <clivejo> like any customisations?
[19:25] <Snowhog> No customizations.
[19:26] <clivejo> sorry, doing other stuff here and getting ready to leave, but Ill take a look later.  Maybe yofel will be home soon and can shed some light on it
[19:26] <Snowhog> Appreciate that. Thank you.
[19:28] <yofel> I need to run as well, but please give a short step-by-step guide how you hit that error (or what commands one needs to enter to get the error message). I don't have an up-to-date xenial system around right now either
[19:28] <yofel> thanks
[19:28] <clivejo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text
[19:28] <clivejo> apparently contains that file
[19:28] <yofel> the ubuntu one right, question is what requires the kubuntu one
[19:29] <yofel> could be that plymouth.hook that the changelog talks about
[19:29] <yofel> I'll look more into that later
[19:29] <clivejo> duh Im being stupid
[19:30] <clivejo> sorry, I better go!
[19:30] <clivejo> bye
[19:35] <Snowhog> Some, but not all, plymouth packages are installed by default -- as far as I know. At least, I didn't specifically install any when I installed 16.04. It was after running dist-upgrade this morning that I sas the complaint by apt. To reproduce, just update your package cache and then run a dist-upgrade. The warning appears at the end of the process.
[21:54] <valorie> yofel: I remember that!
[21:54] <valorie> fun times
[21:57] <clivejo> you hvae strange idea of fun :P
[22:05] <valorie> clivejo: yeah
[22:05] <valorie> lol
[23:11] <mparillo> It looks like Plasma 5.4.3 is landing in Xenial?
[23:13] <valorie> ? that seems rather old....
[23:24] <mparillo> I had 5.4.2 ever since the first ISO (no PPAs etc.)
[23:25] <soee_> and there is 5.5 already released :)
[23:27] <clivejo> :( Kmail is being a *beep*
[23:27] <clivejo> everyday now it stops working 
[23:27] <clivejo> Unable to fetch item from backend (collection -1) : Unable to retrieve item from resource: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[23:27] <valorie> :(
[23:28] <valorie> restart akonadi?
[23:28] <wxl> yeah and now our it mgr is freaking out ready to blame kubuntu for some gpu hangs he's having
[23:28] <wxl> argh
[23:28]  * wxl facepalms
[23:28] <clivejo> I usually reboot and it fixes itself for a bit
[23:28] <valorie> rebooting seems a bit extreme
[23:28] <clivejo> but Im building calligra and cant reboot for a while
[23:28] <mparillo> Packagers are busy with other things. So I can save the time banging on 5.4.95 and just wait for 5.5.
[23:29] <valorie> but ya gotta do what ya gotta do
[23:29] <clivejo> akonadi restart doesnt seem to fix it
[23:29] <valorie> clivejo: if you use ccache, you can reboot and resume building
[23:30] <clivejo> its almost done
[23:30] <clivejo> at dh_strip
[23:40] <clivejo> famous last words
[23:51] <clivejo> its still building :/
[23:54] <clivejo> hi Snowhog
[23:54] <Snowhog> As to plymouth on my installs; I 'did' manually install plymouth, plymouth-label, plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo, plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text, plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text, and plymouth-xll. libplymouth4 was installed automatically at some earlier point in time.
[23:55] <Snowhog> hi clivejo
[23:55] <clivejo> did you manage to fix the problem?
[23:56] <Snowhog> I installed those packages because I was noticing an inoccuous message during boot about plymouthd and something not being found. Didn't interfere with anything, but....
[23:58] <Snowhog> No, but if I remove the plymouth* installed packages except libplymouth4, I won't see that complaint. See above.