[00:01] <wxl> did it work did it work?
[00:02] <krytarik> wxl: Don't know, won't boot into a Live image to test that right now. :P
[00:02] <wxl> krytarik: well that's the part i need to know i guess
[00:02] <tsimonq2> told ya :P
[00:09] <krytarik> That's because I only have *one* machine, of course.
[00:10] <krytarik> wxl: Would tomorrow suffice still?
[00:11] <wxl> krytarik: yes please. thank you very much!
[00:11] <krytarik> Alright then.
[04:13] <krytarik> wxl: Generally it works, it seems. :D  Only 1.) lxqt-connman-applet is not available yet; 2.) lxqt-common still removes lubuntu-core, lubuntu-default-session, lubuntu-default-settings, lubuntu-desktop, and lubuntu-live-settings, of course; and 3.) lxqt-powermanagement conflicts with xfce4-power-manager and light-locker, which should be disabled in the autostart settings, of course.  Other than that, it's pretty cool ...
[04:13] <krytarik> ... already. \o/
[04:13] <krytarik> See, it works now! :P
[04:18] <ian||lin> krytarik: yep I agree
[04:18] <ian||lin> which is why I installed lxqt alongside mate on one of 16.04 isntalls
[04:19] <ian||lin> and have a gtk 2 lxde one as well
[04:19] <krytarik> JuffEd doesn't seem to work at all though. :D
[04:19] <ian||lin> krytarik: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juffed/+bug/1500122
[04:20] <ian||lin> is what I think that bug is that I reported
[04:20] <krytarik> Crashes on trying to open files, and doesn't display any entered text, that is.
[04:20]  * krytarik tries
[04:21] <krytarik> Hah, yep. :D
[04:33] <ian||lin> also what about getting bug email about the lxqt packages?
[04:34] <krytarik> You mean generally?
[04:34] <ian||lin> yeah as I know there is a team I am  a member of that gets it for lxde stuff
[04:35] <krytarik> I'd have to look into that.
[05:28] <krytarik> ian||lin: Well, I guess they can be either added here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lxqt/+packagebugs , or to the Lubuntu one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging/+packagebugs - and the link to the latter here has an excess "-team" in it, btw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/LXDE
[16:45] <krytarik> "https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-art/lubuntu-artwork/quantal" - can we fix the "quantal" bit now?  It's slightly disconcerting. :P
[16:45] <krytarik> To be clear, that's the "trunk" series branch.
[17:44] <phillw> krytarik: for lubuntu iso lxqt bugs please use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt#Reporting_Bugs An effort is to be made to get some serious triaging done, Julien is miles behind and wxl has added it to bug triaging part of the Google-In tasks
[17:46] <phillw> krytarik: as quantal is EoL I would not expect to see any alterations to that project.
[17:48] <krytarik> phillw: Like I indicated, that's the *current* branch.
[17:53] <phillw> krytarik: ahh, okies.. Once rafael has his b/band back he and Julien can look into it :)
[17:57] <krytarik> wxl: So for a working, non-bloated LXQt experience on top of Lubuntu 16.04, I'd suggest something like this: "sudo apt-get install lximage-qt lxqt-about lxqt-admin lxqt-common lxqt-config lxqt-globalkeys lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-panel lxqt-policykit lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-qtplugin lxqt-runner lxqt-session lxqt-sudo pcmanfm-qt qterminal qupzilla".
[17:58] <phillw> krytarik: until julien has the meta-package added to the repo, I'd suggest using the ppa.
[17:59] <krytarik> phillw: Well, see the backlog of earlier here.
[17:59] <phillw> he will amend the wiki page once it is in xenial and we no longer need to add the ppa.
[18:01] <phillw> krytarik: http://pastebin.com/9LAXRs1E
[18:01] <phillw> until then, easiest way is use the ppa :)
[18:06] <phillw> I've only done the install onto netboot one. I switch to Xenial in first couple of days of New Year following the Alpha 1 release on my production machine and will also add a couple of new VM's as milestone ones to play with lxqt on as an additional DE
[18:14] <wxl> you're my hero, krytarik
[18:14] <krytarik> \o/
[18:15] <wxl> krytarik: other than the gotchas you mentioned, everything seems to Just Work™ or did you need to do anything else?
[18:16] <wxl> i.e. just do that, logout and select the lxqt session? or does it remove the other sessions just leaving you one?
[18:16] <krytarik> Well, removing Firefox might be easiest. :P
[18:16] <wxl> right right
[18:16] <wxl> although i bet qupzilla makes itself default
[18:17] <krytarik> Yep, just leaving LXQt and the Openbox one.
[18:17] <krytarik> wxl: Nope, wasn't quite that easy. :D
[18:17] <wxl> krytarik: tell me more
[18:17] <krytarik> Sec.
[18:20] <krytarik> wxl: Basically, set it as the default in the LXQt settings, and this as well: http://askubuntu.com/a/467920
[18:21] <krytarik> (And I had to create "~/.local/share/applications" first.)
[18:22] <wxl> ahhh fooey
[18:23] <wxl> krytarik: does firefox work without adding qupzilla?
[18:24] <krytarik> wxl: Yeah - other than the most recent versions of being unusable for me. :P
[18:24] <krytarik> + it
[18:25] <wxl> ok then
[18:25] <krytarik> (Anything later than version 39, to be exact.)
[18:25] <wxl> but the qt parts Just Work™?
[18:25] <krytarik> Yep.
[18:25] <wxl> k great. thanks a ton dude!
[18:26] <krytarik> Although I did notice a slight display flicker on my system anytime I start a GUI app.
[18:27] <krytarik> But I'm guessing that's just me.
[18:27] <wxl> yeah could be some graphics issue. this is on hardware or vm?
[18:27] <krytarik> Memory footprint was like 300 MB. :D
[18:27] <krytarik> + btw
[18:27] <wxl> oooh
[18:28] <krytarik> Nope, real hardware.
[18:28] <krytarik> It's like 14 years old by now, so... :D
[18:28] <wxl> oh well there's that :)
[18:33] <krytarik> wxl: Oh, and one might want to mention that you can make the GTK+ apps look less ugly (i.e. not use Raleigh) by setting the theme with "lxappearance".
[18:36] <krytarik> Also, use the logout option from the menu, since the panel one will be gone after install. :P
[18:37] <krytarik> (In the old Lubuntu session, that is.)
[18:37] <wxl> right right
[18:37] <wxl> thanks again!
[18:37] <krytarik> Sure.
[18:38] <krytarik> It was fun. :D
[18:38] <wxl> i'm super glad to hear it
[18:38] <wxl> you going to continue to use it?
[18:38] <krytarik> Well, with the flickering, certainly not yet. :P
[18:39] <wxl> oh bah
[18:39] <krytarik> Other than that, I was looking forward to try it, yep.
[18:42] <krytarik> And like I said, it works really nice already, otherwise.
[18:55] <krytarik> wxl: But QupZilla was set as the default in the 'alternatives' system indeed - that didn't quite suffice though.
[18:55] <wxl> but it didn't even create an icon?
[18:56] <krytarik> Sure it did.
[18:57] <krytarik> But that doesn't help much if you click links, of course.
[18:57] <wxl> sorry i mean a menu option
[18:58] <krytarik> Yep, I got that.
[18:58] <wxl> and changing in lxqt-default-whatever doesn't do the trick
[18:58] <wxl> ?
[19:00] <krytarik> Nope - not sure what that helped anyway.
[19:00] <wxl> huh ok
[19:00] <wxl> if you outright remove firefox before doing anything else, does that work?
[19:01] <krytarik> Should yes, didn't though - because I wanted to have fun. :P
[19:01] <wxl> i know that feeling!
[19:01] <krytarik> Easy way?  Nope! :D
[19:02] <wxl> kind of like when i deleted /etc
[19:02] <krytarik> hahaha
[21:58]  * tsimonq2 uninstalled network drivers once
[21:58] <tsimonq2> my advice, never use wildcard when you are doing apt remove
[21:58] <tsimonq2> or *
[22:06] <Kamilion> especally not with -y
[22:07] <tsimonq2> that's what I did
[22:07] <Kamilion> i figured ;)
[22:07] <tsimonq2> I did sudo apt -y remove package1* package2* etc
[22:14] <Kamilion> wxl: so, I, too, lxqt'd.
[22:14] <Kamilion> desktop background / root window doesn't refresh when i change monitor resolution.
[22:16] <wxl> ignoring that for a moment, was your experience the same as krytarik, Kamilion ?
[22:16] <Kamilion> I fixed it by opening the control center, stopping the desktop, and starting it again.
[22:16] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/lQQYG/1f9930ac4e.png
[22:16] <Kamilion> other than that, you can see the result of my exploration.
[22:17] <Kamilion> wxl: I have to open my log files to get at some of that scrollback
[22:18] <Kamilion> but qupzilla seems to work quite nicely.
[22:21] <wxl> Kamilion: would you confirm his directions?
[22:23] <krytarik> Kamilion: Or, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/12/10/%23lubuntu-devel.html
[22:26] <Kamilion> thanks krytarik
[22:27] <krytarik> Sure.
[22:28] <Kamilion> "sudo apt-get install lximage-qt lxqt-about lxqt-admin lxqt-common lxqt-config lxqt-globalkeys lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-panel lxqt-policykit lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-qtplugin lxqt-runner lxqt-session lxqt-sudo pcmanfm-qt qterminal qupzilla"  <-- I used "lxqt-metapackage openbox qupzilla obconf lubuntu-artwork" from the netinstall64 xenial media.
[22:28] <krytarik> Kamilion: That's intended to be installed without the PPA though.
[22:29] <Kamilion> oh?
[22:29] <Kamilion> ooh.
[22:29] <krytarik> And the metapackage isn't in the offical repos yet.
[22:29] <Kamilion> I know that much.
[22:29] <krytarik> Yar.
[22:29] <Kamilion> so it's just the missing metapackage and theme from mainline repos?
[22:30] <Kamilion> the actual application/lib packages are already in main?
[22:30] <krytarik> * official
[22:31] <krytarik> And what do you mean by "mainline"?
[22:31] <Kamilion> not using any ppas
[22:31] <tsimonq2> AKA official repos
[22:31] <krytarik> The first isn't even in Debian yet, ftm.
[22:31] <Kamilion> i suppose that could get confusing to people working on the kernel
[22:31] <tsimonq2> +1
[22:32] <Kamilion> hm, lemme fire up synaptic and have it tell me where it got the packages from
[22:32] <Kamilion> oh -- one other note
[22:32] <Kamilion> it seems to want gksu for pcmanfm's "Open as Root" to work.
[22:33] <krytarik> Right, that's why it's listed in the Debian one.
[22:33] <Kamilion> what is listed where?
[22:33] <Kamilion> "It's" listed in "the debian one" ?
[22:33] <krytarik> 'gsku'.
[22:34] <krytarik> Wait.
[22:34] <Kamilion> 'one'?
[22:34] <Kamilion> "gksu is listed in the debian package's recommends/depends already, but not in the ubuntu package." ?
[22:34] <krytarik> → http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lxqt/lxqt-metapackages.git/tree/debian/control
[22:35] <krytarik> Yep - well, not in the PPA one.
[22:35] <Kamilion> Oh, I had no idea this was going upstream to debian first
[22:35] <wxl> Kamilion: that's the canonical (hehehe) plan
[22:36] <krytarik> Though, since August :P - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795803
[22:36] <Kamilion> that's actually super good to hear, I was gonna be messing with Jessie sometime soon
[22:37] <Kamilion> that link's just the metapackage -- are the rest of the packages already in the archive?
[22:37] <krytarik> Yep.
[22:37] <Kamilion> Wow. Awesomesauce.
[22:37] <krytarik> Indeed.
[22:37] <Kamilion> I havn't really been tracking lxqt recently
[22:38] <Kamilion> mainly because my vmware workstation install has been acting up
[22:39] <Kamilion> i finally just gave up and installed it on an esxi VM
[22:39] <Kamilion> somewhere around 5 or 6 this morning
[22:39] <Kamilion> only real major I run into is the desktop root window not resizing when the monitor size changes.
[22:39] <wxl> Kamilion: make a bug
[22:39] <wxl> now you can use launchpad to do it!
[22:39] <wxl> like a normal package
[22:40] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/lQSJv/df05224333.png
[22:40] <Kamilion> The fix was to 'stop' and 'start' Desktop, here.
[22:40] <wxl> man that looks fscking hot
[22:41]  * wxl really loves the look of qt
[22:41] <Kamilion> yeah, this is really going to make things easier on my staff
[22:41] <Kamilion> it's a lot more XP/7 like, which is what they're "used to"
[22:41] <wxl> yep
[22:41] <Kamilion> the only thing still missing for me is Win7 style taskbar icons
[22:42] <Kamilion> but this is QT; that should be relatively trivial
[22:43] <wxl> yep
[22:44] <tsimonq2> yep
[22:44] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:44] <Kamilion> wuuuuuuuuuuuut
[22:44] <Kamilion> no shit
[22:44] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/lQT3D/a9459461ca.png
[22:44] <Kamilion> Bossman's already ahead of me
[22:45] <Kamilion> *VERY* slick. Kami approval rating +++++++++++++++++
[22:45] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN use the terminal to add ppas XD :P
[22:45] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: real men wear pink.
[22:45] <Kamilion> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealMenWearPink
[22:46] <Kamilion> The cherries represent the blood of our enemies! Careful, they're still hot.
[22:46] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: REAL MEN use the terminal for everything
[22:46] <wxl> you guys
[22:46] <Kamilion> and REAL MEN do all their programming with a magnet
[22:46] <wxl> real men use punch cards
[22:46] <wxl> and an abacus
[22:46] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN run Linux on their alarm clocks
[22:46] <Kamilion> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png
[22:46] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: chumby!
[22:47] <Kamilion> <3
[22:47] <Kamilion> I <3 bunnie huang and chumby and all his projects.
[22:47] <Kamilion> https://www.chumby.com/
[22:47] <Kamilion> Chumby, the original linux-powered wifi alarm clock.
[22:47] <Kamilion> accept no substitute!
[22:48]  * wxl uses linux in his alarm clock
[22:48]  * wxl 's alarm clock is his android phoen
[22:48] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN don't use their phones as alarm clocks
[22:48] <Kamilion> wxl: chumby predates android, I think
[22:48] <wxl> real men don't say what realm men use
[22:48] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN run Linux on their alarm clocks
[22:49] <krytarik> wxl: "now you can use launchpad to do it!" - ftm, did you notice this earlier?: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/12/10/%23lubuntu-devel.html#t04:33
[22:49] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN make everything electronic they have run Linux
[22:49] <Kamilion> REAL MEN use whatever is in front of them, without complaint (Unless it's microsoft, in which case you get the complaints, but they still do the work anyway)
[22:50] <tsimonq2> kike ur mom m8?
[22:50] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:50] <tsimonq2> *like
[22:51] <Kamilion> Kinda hard for her to work it work it while taking a six foot dirt nap.
[22:51] <Kamilion> Wonder if she's made friends with the worms yet.
[22:51] <tsimonq2> sorry :(
[22:51] <Kamilion> for what?
[22:52] <Kamilion> I was the one who played the Dead-Mom-For-Sympathy card.
[22:52] <Kamilion> I oughta be the sorry one, ahaha
[22:52] <tsimonq2> oh SNAP
[22:52] <Kamilion> If y'can't laugh about anything; you can't laugh about anything.
[22:53] <Kamilion> Don't be that guy! Grow a sense of humor!
[22:53] <Kamilion> Or at least a potted plant
[22:54] <Kamilion> (Warning: Developing a green thumb may lead to gardening, trimming, excessive worry over outside temperatures, childlike enthusiasm, and eating better. See your doctor to find out if Gardening will work for you!)
[22:55] <krytarik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJCFc_qkHw - there you go. :D
[22:56] <Kamilion> hah, a true classic.
[22:57] <tsimonq2> like ur mom?
[22:57] <Kamilion> Yep.
[22:57] <Kamilion> They only made tanks like her in the 40s.
[22:57]  * Kamilion chuckles
[22:58] <tsimonq2> let's take this over to offtopic
[22:58] <Kamilion> Let's not and say we did.
[22:58] <Kamilion> anyway
[22:58] <tsimonq2> !language
[22:58] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:58] <Kamilion> wxl: what package should I direct my bug report for? I think it's pcmanfm that's managing the desktop root window
[22:59] <tsimonq2> !info vrms
[22:59] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: hold on a second, lemme go get IVAN CHESNOKOV and his ALLCAPS RUSSIAN TO ENGLISH
[22:59] <tsimonq2> that
[22:59] <Kamilion> GRENADE SPIGOT
[22:59] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:59] <tsimonq2> finally!
[23:00] <Kamilion> http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/ivan-chesnokov.php
[23:01] <Kamilion> also sums up what I think about linux in a nutshell.
[23:01] <Kamilion> "RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE."
[23:01] <Kamilion> Apologies for quoted language.
[23:01] <tsimonq2> XD XD XD XD XD
[23:01] <tsimonq2> LOL
[23:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^^ THIS IS THE BEST OMG LOL
[23:01] <Unit193> tsimonq2, Kamilion: #lubuntu-offtopic.
[23:02] <Kamilion> I'm already there, thanks.
[23:02] <tsimonq2> me too
[23:02] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: told ya :P
[23:02] <Unit193> Right, so use it.
[23:02]  * Kamilion remains waiting for a response on which package to file bug under
[23:02] <Kamilion> I respectfully decline
[23:02] <Kamilion> I have no interest in the conversation with tsimonq2
[23:03] <krytarik> !pcmanfm-qt
[23:03] <krytarik> !info pcmanfm-qt
[23:03] <krytarik> !info pcmanfm-qt xenial
[23:03] <Kamilion> heh.
[23:03] <Kamilion> Okay, so pcmanfm-qt is the one managing the root window?
[23:03] <krytarik> Stupid default anyway. >_<
[23:03] <krytarik> Yeah.
[23:03] <Kamilion> alrighty, that's where the bug report goes.
[23:04] <Kamilion> wow, no bugs at all?
[23:04] <Kamilion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt
[23:04] <Unit193> `config channel plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease xenial
[23:04]  * Kamilion feels kinda squeamish about being the first one to file
[23:05] <Unit193> Kamilion: There's some in Debian, right? :P
[23:05] <krytarik> Unit193: Thanks.
[23:05] <Unit193> Kamilion: There's been some, at least.
[23:05] <Unit193> krytarik: Sure, it was supposed to be that way anyway.
[23:05] <krytarik> Yep.
[23:05] <Kamilion> Unit193: no idea, I don't use debian nor track it outside of "oh hey, raspberry pi says there's a new pi2 image"
[23:06] <Kamilion> I've been here with ubuntu/lubuntu since 8.04
[23:06] <Unit193> Heh.
[23:06] <Kamilion> I had 6.06 and 7.04 but never made much use
[23:06] <Kamilion> 8.04 was the first time everything JustWorked for me
[23:06] <Kamilion> ...
[23:07] <Kamilion> ARGH
[23:07] <Kamilion> and now the bug isn't happening.
[23:07] <Kamilion> huh
[23:08] <Kamilion> now it's stuck at exactly 1440x900
[23:09] <Kamilion> oh, there it goes.
[23:09] <wxl> maybe you should reboot?
[23:10] <Kamilion> pfft, what is this, microsoft? XD
[23:10] <wxl> it's called removing variables
[23:11] <Kamilion> noted
[23:12] <Kamilion> will try in a second after I file the bug
[23:44] <Kamilion> wxl: done, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt/+bug/1525027
[23:45] <wxl> thx Kamilion. make sure to subscribe lubuntu packages team.
[23:45] <Kamilion> eh?
[23:45] <wxl> oh nevermind :/
[23:46] <Kamilion> wxl: subscrubed lubuntu packages team
[23:46] <wxl> yes i did :)
[23:48] <Kamilion> Oops, forgot, dates should be ISO8601
[23:48]  * Kamilion switches date from 12/10/2015 to 2015/12/10