[10:02] <daftykins> morning team o/
[10:08] <TJ-> morning :)
[10:09] <daftykins> i got lazy last night, so perhaps today i will take that DVD drive out again
[10:10] <daftykins> i was amazed at the quantity of internals, i bet they're much simplified these days
[10:12] <TJ-> they're very mechanical usually, if tray-loaders. slot-loaders are sometimes a bit more streamlined
[10:20] <TJ-> I'm chasing down replacements SMT diodes this morning, very frustrating, trying to match outline/pad dimensions
[10:21] <daftykins> erk!
[10:21] <daftykins> what's this one for?
[10:21] <TJ-> that 'talking' mobo :) I bought another, turns out someone tortured it
[10:22] <TJ-> one reason I always buy duplicates of all kit; makes investigation/repair and comparing against known-good so much easier
[10:23] <daftykins> ah, interesting - so you have a backup of your main workhorse laptop too?
[10:24] <daftykins> that definitely came in handy for a motherboard i have in a file server at a clients... i went to replace the CMOS battery and no joke, it never POSTd again... i had to swap in an identical spare which had been recently taken out of the secretarys system
[10:27] <TJ-> We use a single model, have 5 of them, all identical configs so we can swap out
[10:28] <TJ-> That sounds like the RTC/CMOS chip got static zapped
[10:28] <daftykins> if i still had a spare PSU knocking around i'd test that board at home to see if i can get any life out of it
[10:28] <daftykins> hmm, i'm usually pretty careful
[10:29] <daftykins> if the chip is external i could pop in the one from the working board to test, right?
[10:29] <daftykins> 'external' being socketed i mean
[10:29] <TJ-> They're oldish (Dell XPS M1530) but very expandable, hi-res screens, but have 3 full internal mini-PCIe ports, SIM card, ExpressCard and so on so extremely flexible
[10:30] <daftykins> *nod*
[10:30] <TJ-> Yes, if it truly is a single CMOS chip. However, most modern (last 10 years) mobos use serial EEPROMs for the storage
[10:31] <daftykins> http://www.svethardware.cz/recenze-asus-p5kc-dalsi-combo-s-intel-p35/19207/galerie/main3_h.jpg
[10:31] <daftykins> that one's the victim :)
[10:31] <daftykins> i spy a possibly removable one bottom left beside the FPIO header
[10:33] <TJ-> The 8-pin DIP? The marking says FIU1-FIU3
[10:33] <daftykins> ja
[10:34] <daftykins> i tried all my usual tricks, running the minimal hardware possible... CMOS reset... just got nothing but the whirr of fans
[10:34] <daftykins> i think it may've powered itself off and on after a time, too
[10:35] <TJ-> have you checked for bloated electrolytic capacitors?
[10:36] <daftykins> well it was working immediately prior, i literally powered off just to replace the CMOS battery as it'd started requiring configuration whenever it'd lost mains
[10:36] <TJ-> that photo looks like it has good quality solids... but is the mobo being tested with the same PSU as it failed with?
[10:36] <daftykins> yep - though said PSU drove the identical one just fine, too
[10:37] <TJ-> Well, if the fans spin up that means the power good signal is being asserted to the ATX PSU, so there's something on the mobo
[10:37] <TJ-> is there a CMOS reset jumper?
[10:39] <daftykins> yep CLRTC just two up from the winbond chip there, right of the DIP
[10:39] <daftykins> definitely didn't leave it in the wrong position
[10:41] <TJ-> no, was wondering about actually using it. If you replace the battery and don't clear down it can sometimes contain random content which buggers the BIOS config
[10:41] <daftykins> as i say i was wiping it repeatedly in trying to get it to POST again
[10:41] <TJ-> I can't read the part number of the Winbond chip, can you make it out?
[10:42] <daftykins> amusingly my server has the exact same board too, so i could take it off there
[10:42] <daftykins> it's very old kit now mind you, LGA775 - that one is able to have DDR2 or 3 :)
[10:42] <daftykins> ooh i think i just saw a delivery guy in a neighbouring place :O
[10:43] <TJ-> I'd put a multimeter on those MOSFETS next to the CPU, check if there's 1.5V or whatever the main rail for the CPU is on them
[10:43] <daftykins> ah har
[10:45] <TJ-> The drain (the large metal tab soldered to the PCB - and pin 3 where |'| is 123)
[10:45] <TJ-> that's where the output voltage is measured
[10:46] <daftykins> i don't even own a multimeter sadly, but i think the client has one in the same room as where this failed board is right now
[10:48] <TJ-> Oh! you should, an indespendible tool even for testing simple fuses :)
[10:49] <daftykins> *nod* definitely come up against times when it'd be handy
[10:49] <TJ-> The MOSFETS next to the fan headers will likely be driving 12V, and those to thr left of the DIMM sockets anywhere from 1.7 to 2.5V,
[10:50] <daftykins> mmm i'm getting to the point where i forget the different voltage standards of each generation, DDR2 in there so 2.6v i think that was
[10:50] <TJ-> from what you've said it 'feels' like a failed capacitor issue though, in the power regulator circuit around the CPU socket
[10:51] <TJ-> usually the voltage for the DIMMs is stamped into the DIMM socket, where the peg bar is. Having an illuminated anfle-poise magnifier also comes in VERY useful :)
[10:51] <TJ-> s/anfle/angle/
[10:53] <TJ-> You need one of my talking mobos to tell you the problem :)
[10:53] <daftykins> hehe, i do remember a friend having one of those
[10:54] <daftykins> POST reporter i think it called that feature? but relies on the onboard audio
[10:54] <daftykins> a lot of those premium enthusiast boards are coming with the port 80 style two character 7 segment displays built in now
[10:55] <TJ-> Most older mobos still have firmware that outputs a POST progress code. You can connect a small adapter in a PCI slot and read it off - provided you have the mobo manual and it details the POST codes
[10:55] <daftykins> :)
[10:55] <TJ-> Yeah, you can find the signal on the LPC chip even if there isn't a display fitted
[10:56] <daftykins> here, all this ACPI OS issue stuff, can you duplicate the data held against a working Windows OS version and write it in for Linux, then flash the chip yourself to get it working without modifying the OS? or is it too risky?
[10:57] <TJ-> Linux can load a custom DSDT; we used to have that enabled by default in Ubuntu in 2005-2007 period, not sure if it still is possible now.
[10:58] <TJ-> I used to work on that side of things when I was in the kernel team; posting fixed DSDTs for users to workaround bugs
[10:58] <daftykins> ah har
[10:59] <TJ-> no longer enabled though:
[10:59] <TJ-> $ grep DSDT /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[10:59] <TJ-> CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_FILE=""
[10:59] <TJ-> # CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT is not set
[10:59] <daftykins> does that seem like a mistake?
[11:00] <daftykins> morning lotus o/
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> whats new :p
[11:00] <TJ-> morning
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[11:01] <daftykins> i got post yesterday! :D awaiting a call/delivery today, now - oh and amazon shipped me a second SSD as the other is definitely lost
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> lost lol
[11:01] <daftykins> yeah, i kind of hope it'll turn up so i can have 2...
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> and pay only one :p
[11:02] <OerHeks> return the 2nd for a refund .. ow  wait
[11:02] <TJ-> The Amazon drone dropped it :)
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lol
[11:03] <OerHeks> or do you have now 2 x 128 gb instead of 256?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> lol they splitted the order
[11:03] <daftykins> chopped it in half? ;)
[11:04] <daftykins> that was the really good deal one, £33 delivered for a 240GB SanDisk
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> pay first then receive your second half :p
[11:04] <TJ-> too good to be true :)
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> no shipping costs daftykins ?
[11:04] <daftykins> nah i can get free from amazon UK
[11:04] <daftykins> just takes a little longer
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> my gf needs a manual blender that can only be bought on amazon, you think they would ship to belgium?
[11:05] <daftykins> still waiting for the Nexus 5 LCD from China too :)
[11:05] <daftykins> worth a try? is it on UK or US?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> think its us
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> lemme find link
[11:06] <daftykins> is it the Blendtech one from 'will it blend?' :D
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> daftykins:
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> http://www.amazon.com/GSI-73365-Outdoors-Vortex-Blender/dp/B0018BLKQS
[11:09] <daftykins> ah it's on UK but a lot more expensive; http://www.amazon.co.uk/GSI-330340-Vortex-Blender-vortex/dp/B0000Z6JZU/
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> http://www.amazon.com/GSI-73365-Outdoors-Vortex-Blender/dp/B0018BLKQS
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> Sorry, this Seller doesn’t deliver to Belgium, dang
[11:10] <daftykins> is there something specific about that one which another couldn't do?
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> yes, its ecologic and doesnt need electricity
[11:11] <daftykins> oh yeah hand operated
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> we broke our 2nd philips blender
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[11:11] <daftykins> \o
[11:11] <cfhowlett> hey hey
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> so my gf wants no electricity anymore
[11:12] <daftykins> that doesn't bode well for the computer work, lotus!
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:12] <daftykins> :D
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> we kind like ecologic gadgets
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> i bought the waka waka also
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> led light operated by solar power
[11:13] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: how about http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GSI-HAND-CRANKED-TWO-SPEED-VORTEX-BLENDER-BRAND-NEW-/272052096693 ?
[11:14] <OerHeks> nice price
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> yeah price is same as US there
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> but is ebay trustable to order?
[11:15] <OerHeks> P&P is expensive
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> i was hoping to find a dutch site, but cant find nowhere
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> wel i found 1 but blender was sold out
[11:15] <daftykins> i would say so yeah, i buy a lot from ebay
[11:16] <daftykins> and as long as you pay with paypal you get really good support if something does go wrong
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> +47 euro to belgium :p
[11:17] <OerHeks> http://www.qvist.nl/vortex-blender.html
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yeah thats the one we found
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> blender sold out
[11:17] <OerHeks> :-(
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: weve send a mail to them, if they still ca get it
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> so bit patience :p
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> anyone knnows if that VFD guy came back with new crimson driver?
[11:19] <TJ-> that's bloody expensive for a hand blender! Buy a damn whisk!
[11:19] <daftykins> XD
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: we need it for soups, shakes,nuts,...
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> has to be for rough jobs
[11:20] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: do you forage ?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: whats forage mean
[11:21] <TJ-> live off the land basically :)
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> loool
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: just told, we broke 2 electric blenders philips already
[11:21] <TJ-> hmmm, well that rather says you're using it for the wrong things
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> the mechanism is very soft build
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ..no we dont use it in your sm room
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:22] <TJ-> sm ?
[11:22] <cfhowlett> oh, hell.  here we go ...
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:22] <TJ-> shaker-maker ?
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: im not gonan explain that one :p
[11:23] <cfhowlett> S&M tj
[11:23] <TJ-> you mean M&S ... Marks & Spencer :)
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> xmass in UK is nice
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> all those fancy stores
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> too bad they dont have an ubuntu corner yet
[11:30] <daftykins> back in a bit, gonna take this DVD out again
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> also out, for grabbing take away pizza pepperoni
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[11:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:04] <daftykins> the SSD just showed up!
[12:06] <BluesKaj> daftykins, delivered?
[12:08] <TJ-> which one though?
[12:08] <daftykins> i think it's the first one XD
[12:09] <TJ-> figures
[12:09] <TJ-> can you tell via tracking number?
[12:09] <daftykins> i'm on the page now confirming yeah, annoyingly amazon's account page has changed the order info link to a return info now
[12:10] <TJ-> the tracking info has got into their system then
[12:11] <daftykins> mmm i'm pretty sure this is the first and i'll have another before too long, normally i'd feel pretty moral about things but i'm not so sure...
[12:11] <daftykins> i took a cotton bud to that DVD lens by the way, on putting it back in it's quicker to read but it's giving errors where there weren't any last time, so i think it's dead
[12:12] <daftykins> cotton bud with isopropanol on i mean
[12:12] <daftykins> i took it out completely and put a Pioneer SATA i have in instead, which works great
[12:12] <TJ-> right, sounds like it was on the way out, possibly the head position has changed so it's not completely perpendicular to the disc surface
[12:12] <daftykins> £9 for a new drive on amazon these days :S
[12:13] <daftykins> ah right, mmm shame to give something up to the tip/recycling but it's not worth the time i think
[12:13] <daftykins> thanks for your input as always :)
[12:14] <daftykins> what would you guys do about this SSD drama? :)
[12:14] <TJ-> Mr UPS just arrived with today's delivery of electronic components, so I'm topping up the parts bins
[12:14] <BluesKaj> iaopropyl can leave a residue , yhe lens should be wiped clean with a dry Qtip
[12:14] <BluesKaj> isopropyl
[12:14] <TJ-> IPA is much easier to type :)
[12:14] <daftykins> isn't that different to isopropanol, which evaporates fine?
[12:15] <daftykins> to be honest i'm glad that PATA drive is out of that system ;) it was the last non-SATA thing in there
[12:15] <daftykins> it was a nice drive though, NEC ND3520A
[12:15] <BluesKaj> not really
[12:18] <BluesKaj> google: Isopropyl alcohol (IUPAC name 2-propanol), also called isopropanol
[12:19] <daftykins> ah ok
[12:19] <daftykins> hmm, i'm not convinced it'll do much more to give it another rub
[12:19] <BluesKaj> I can see well wnough to copy and paste :-)
[12:19] <BluesKaj> daftykins, take it from an old lab tech
[12:20] <daftykins> :)
[12:20] <daftykins> lol there's a surprise, go to your own domain which points to a residential IP and see someone's router login
[12:20] <BluesKaj> residual wetness can collect more dust
[12:20] <daftykins> clearly my IP has changed...
[12:23] <BluesKaj> dynamic IP
[12:24] <daftykins> yep
[12:24] <daftykins> just funny when once someone else gets it, they're running an external service too :)
[12:25] <daftykins> you might have a stale IP - but http://techblo.gg/stuff/dvd.jpg
[12:26] <daftykins> this may also work http://daftpunk.no-ip.biz/stuff/dvd.jpg
[12:27] <daftykins> mmm so much faster ripping this music from this drive
[12:30] <BluesKaj> apparently fstrim is no longer needed for the newer ssds and OSs, just the discard.noatime enties for / and /home in fstab
[12:31] <daftykins> most SSDs do their own TRIMming via garbage collection routines defined in the firmware, mmm
[12:31] <daftykins> it's frequent enough that it's probably overkill to have the OS request it too
[12:32] <BluesKaj> on windows. but I'm not sure about linux
[12:34] <daftykins> no the GC is invoked by the controller firmware
[12:34] <daftykins> i don't think the OS matters
[12:34] <TJ-> most kernel layers have TRIM support, even crypto and most file-systems
[12:35] <BluesKaj> after formatting the ssd my firmware cd wouldn't even recognize the drive
[12:35] <daftykins> TJ-: would you send one of the SSDs back? :)
[12:35] <TJ-> daftykins: if they pay for the shipping; if it was their decision to declare it lost and send out another
[12:35] <daftykins> a lot of manufacturer utilities can't detect drives when AHCI is used, i've seen
[12:36] <daftykins> well i emailed them that it hadn't turned up in 2 weeks, they said wait until the 9th... so i did then i requested another
[12:37] <BluesKaj> I'm surprised, amazon is very reliable IME
[12:38] <BluesKaj> the shippers are I mean
[12:39] <BluesKaj> had mine in 2 days
[12:39] <daftykins> mmm, i'm on an island separate from the mainland UK though
[12:40] <OerHeks> me too
[12:40] <daftykins> plus it was that crazy Black Friday weekend deals thing
[12:40] <BluesKaj> literally being "shipped"
[12:41] <daftykins> indeed! or flown if it's a more premium method
[12:41] <daftykins> hmm it kind of looks like i'd have to pay to send it back
[12:41] <TJ-> daftykins: is there a 2nd open order for the drive yet to arrive, or are they both on the same order?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> black friday is a big deal stateside , but here in Canada it's just a small bump in sales
[12:42] <daftykins> TJ-: second order yep, already despatched last night
[12:42] <daftykins> too late to cancel
[12:42] <TJ-> daftykins: the important question therefore is, how many have you been charged for
[12:43] <daftykins> oh just the one so far, yeah
[12:43] <daftykins> although the first one says "you must return this by January 9th"
[12:44] <TJ-> well there you go, sounds like you just need to argue over the shipping, or else refuse to accept the 2nd device so it is returned by the courier
[12:44] <daftykins> so i suppose it's up to them whether they would then claim it's my fault and charge me a second time, or imagine the couriers had lost it
[12:46] <daftykins> i best get out to find some lunch before this other courier turns up :)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:19] <EriC^^> evenining folks
[14:20] <EriC^^> *evening :D
[14:21] <daftykins> heya :) how are you today?
[14:21] <EriC^^> great thanks, you?
[14:22] <daftykins> yeah ok here :) i'm in a delivery dilemma though!
[14:22] <daftykins> i already got amazon to send a second SSD and guess what, the little blighter showed up today!
[14:22] <EriC^^> why?
[14:22] <daftykins> (first one that is)
[14:22] <EriC^^> oh
[14:23] <EriC^^> well that's cool i guess
[14:23] <daftykins> hehe, yeah - they want one back though
[14:24] <EriC^^> oh
[14:24] <EriC^^> :D
[14:24] <EriC^^> keep one i guess for a future client?
[14:24] <EriC^^> or yourself? :D
[14:27] <daftykins> hehe, i'll see if i can get the original deal price on both maybe
[14:27] <EriC^^> cool
[14:27] <EriC^^> :)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> daftykins, which ssd ?
[14:31] <daftykins> just a cheap SanDisk Ultra II which came up on Amazon's Black Friday, 240GB model
[14:34] <BluesKaj> daftykins, chrap as in inexpensive, my Sandisk usb sticks are still working fine after several yrs now
[14:35] <daftykins> well it's kind of more mid-range, but it still uses MLC which is nice
[14:52] <daftykins> ermagerd these users that are here for help yet fight your every statement
[15:17] <daftykins> that michagogo's situation is weird for sure
[15:38] <BluesKaj> daftykins, on which Isle do you live?
[15:39] <daftykins> one of the Channel Islands between England and France
[15:39] <BluesKaj> ok cool
[16:57] <daftykins> anonimouse needs a hand with adjusting the boot priority order on a win8 + ubuntu EFI install, if anyone is active that knows how to use efibootmgr
[16:58] <daftykins> there doesn't seem to be any way to change it from inside the EFI setup on what looks to be an HP system
[17:05] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[17:05] <daftykins> \o
[17:05] <daftykins> just the guy :D
[17:18] <daftykins> i'm getting the idea TomyWork is a timewasting troll
[17:20] <OerHeks> no, he analises that nicohood's issue correct
[17:20] <OerHeks> intel driver in a vm..
[17:24] <daftykins> he's just repeating what i already said, though
[17:24] <daftykins> the guy was just comparing package lists with the VM i think, but is trying to make us help with an elementary install
[17:39] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13899154/ - i don't for the life of me understand why foli's log shows it's not making use of the intel driver
[17:40] <daftykins> i think maybe it doesn't consider itself compatible with the graphics found
[17:43] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[17:44] <daftykins> ah-haaaaar i think the 3.13 kernel and intel driver package is too old to support the intel braswell CPU foli has; the intel N3050
[17:45] <daftykins> but quite how 13.10 worked fine i don't know O_O
[17:47] <OerHeks> that month thehardware was released.
[17:48] <daftykins> :D
[17:48] <OerHeks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvermont#Roadmap
[17:51] <daftykins> http://ark.intel.com/products/87257/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3050-2M-Cache-up-to-2_16-GHz
[17:51] <OerHeks> grinn ..
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[18:49] <EriC^^> evening lotuspsychje
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> anyone needs an usb :p
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/would-you-buy-a-30-ubuntu-mate-15-10-8gb-flash-drive-497415.shtml
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> 1 euro to produce the metal and electronics, and 29 euro for ubuntu mate haha
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> someone gonna get rich :p
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> and some pretty nice ubuntu heavy gaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPzpKQeFV6E
[19:22] <daftykins> i play that with two friends co-op on the xbox
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> cool daftykins
[19:23] <daftykins> lotus the SSD turned up!
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> yayyy, what happened to it?
[19:23] <daftykins> but the second one is already on the way >_<
[19:23] <daftykins> haha dunno, just a huge delay
[19:23] <TJ-> is that 3 now? :D
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:23] <daftykins> haha nah just telling my story over and over ;)
[19:24]  * lotuspsychje getting a dejavu here
[19:24] <daftykins> oh i thought you weren't here earlier :P
[19:24] <TJ-> lol same here!
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> i think TJ- spells us with his evil mental illness diagnoses :p
[19:25] <TJ-> what illness?
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> asperger
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:25] <TJ-> that's not an illness its jsut a difference!
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> dyslecstickx now too?
[19:26] <TJ-> nah, the keyboard's been playing footsie with the mouse
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: so your customer wants the ssd inside or not now?
[19:29] <daftykins> i need to call still, he's been sick for a while
[19:29] <daftykins> cyst in his eye :S
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: check if there's a firmware before install ok: http://kb.sandisk.com/app/ssd
[19:30] <TJ-> Finally! 16.04 won't enable online searches by default!
[19:31] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: always do, i've had about every make of SSD now
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> nice TJ- !
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: sandisk is pretty nice
[19:31] <TJ-> ref: http://www.whizzy.org/2015/12/online-searches-in-the-dash-to-be-off-by-default/
[19:32] <TJ-> music store, and music search, being removed from older releases too, via SRU
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lets hope it gets real lightweight now
[19:35] <daftykins> hmm anyone got any thoughts on foli's Xorg log not using the intel driver with an intel N3050 braswell chip before i recommend the vivid HWE is enabled? log here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13899154/
[19:36] <daftykins> i don't understand why it goes to FBDEV instead of intel, unless it doesn't think it's supported
[19:36] <daftykins> guy upgraded from 13.10
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: how did sudo lshw -C video look like?
[19:37] <daftykins> mmm it said something like unclaimed
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: one or 2 cards?
[19:38] <daftykins> i didn't successfully get the full lspci at any point, but a braswell SoC like the N3050 would unlikely have any other hardware
[19:38] <TJ-> 8086:22b1:1028:06ac rev 33
[19:38] <TJ-> daftykins: Tip: it's always at the early part of Xorg log
[19:38] <daftykins> user reports 14.04.3 live session works fine
[19:38] <TJ-> [    17.811] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:22b1:1028:06ac rev 33, Mem @ 0x90000000/16777216, 0x80000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x0000f000/64
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: well unclaimed and no driver cant work much right
[19:39] <daftykins> i have no idea how to convert that into a device name and whether or not it's supported :D
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: maybe try the official intel linux installer?
[19:39] <daftykins> noooo that ruins everything
[19:39] <daftykins> i avoid it like the plague, in fact the guy said it didn't even install :)
[19:40] <TJ-> $ grep -i '8086.*22b1' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
[19:40] <TJ-> alias pci:v00008086d000022B1sv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915
[19:40] <daftykins> i think i might suggest the vivid HWE, i know xserver-xorg-video-intel or whatever it's called is current
[19:40] <daftykins> TJ-: mmm so it does match, weird why the Xorg log seems to show it giving up on using it with no reason though?
[19:41] <daftykins> it just skips on to FBDEV
[19:41] <TJ-> I've a chroot to a 14.04 install and it's not supported until
[19:41] <TJ-> $ grep -i '8086.*22b1' /mnt/target/lib/modules/*/modules.alias
[19:41] <TJ-> /mnt/target/lib/modules/4.1.0+/modules.alias:alias pci:v00008086d000022B1sv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915
[19:41] <TJ-> so 4.1 +
[19:42] <daftykins> hmm strange! 14.04.3 would've had the 3.19 kernel on though, so that should work fine
[19:42] <TJ-> daftykins: my first match was on 4.2 with 15.10
[19:42] <daftykins> !hwe
[19:42] <TJ-> 3.19 < 4.1
[19:42] <daftykins> i know, but he tried it and it came up ok, so it must be happy
[19:42] <daftykins> got the right resolution either way :D
[19:42] <TJ-> oh, I don't have 3.19 so it wouldn't match, doh!
[19:43] <daftykins> ah har
[19:43] <TJ-> lspci -nnk -d 8086:22b1
[19:44] <daftykins> you know, it did come up with an inaccurate name when the user showed me just the lspci name
[19:44] <TJ-> "[    18.396] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory"
[19:45] <daftykins> i know it's just down to those text labels but it was a sign to me that it wasn't supported
[19:45] <TJ-> so, no Direct Rendering Interface, possibly nomodeset (although kernel-command-line in Xorg log doesn't show it) or missing driver. Have them do "sudo depmod"
[19:46] <daftykins> i had a /proc/cmdline shown which showed no evidence of nomodeset, too
[19:52] <TJ-> daftykins: ok, that Xorg came from the older kernel:
[19:52] <TJ-> "[    17.766] Current Operating System: Linux dvv 3.13.0-71-generic"
[19:52] <TJ-> that explains it
[19:53] <daftykins> that's the kernel i'm running here on trusty, too
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> same here
[19:53] <daftykins> no HWEs
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TB0X 3.13.0-71-generic #114-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 1 02:34:22 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:55] <TJ-> right, and the 3.13.x i915 doesn't claim the alias for that GPU; it needs the later kernel
[19:55] <daftykins> excellent! i wonder how in the hell 13.10 worked properly o0
[19:55] <TJ-> mainline kernel; VESA driver?
[19:56] <daftykins> could well be
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> im really wondering i never had any screen issue on trusty yet
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> so many boxes i installed on
[20:01] <daftykins> :D
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i really hope your automatic repair/diagnose system comes alive in the future :p
[20:02] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: the braswell chip is from Q1'15 so no surprise it didn't work, if you meant that
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: aha, recent stuff
[20:02] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'm aiming to have the first version ready for release in time for 16.04
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nice!
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: was your own distro working on?
[20:03] <TJ-> lots of design, framework development, and experimentation to go yet, so it is extensible from the beginning
[20:04] <TJ-> this is orthogonal but related; it is intended to work on any distro since it uses system-specific recognition and scripting
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> nice
[20:07] <TJ-> I'm playing with some basic AI and peer-2-peer intelligence sharing
[20:07] <daftykins> haha foli got it going then but one step back as the touchpad now doesn't work
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[20:18] <daftykins> o/
[20:19] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o . Good day .. I am here. I hope that makes things better . Let's see what we can learn today .
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: did that dual intel card guy got fixxed yesterday?
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> this guy has been spotted yesterday: <ubuntu-mate> I bought over 10.000 dollar system 76 computer
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> formatted with ubuntu mate himself and wasnt very happy
[20:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Sorta, got the display back up, but still with some DVD/Keyboard  problems that I passed on .
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: cool
[20:34] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje, tried plasma 5.5 on KaOS, not ready for prime time and didn't have the correct nvidia drivers, so it was difficult to judge
[20:35] <BluesKaj> not a suse pacman package system fan
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[20:36] <BluesKaj> was slow and kept crashing , I dumped it
[20:37] <daftykins> the ghosts beat pacman :(
[20:37] <BluesKaj> I prefer the deb based OSs
[20:37] <daftykins> i definitely feel a resistance to learning another package manager
[20:37] <daftykins> i think learning one would make me forget the first :D
[20:37] <BluesKaj> learning a new package manger/system is not for me
[20:38] <BluesKaj> exactly daftykins
[20:38] <daftykins> the amount of change from one LTS to another is already enough to frustrate ;)
[20:39] <BluesKaj> too old and set in my ways
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:39] <BluesKaj> welll, it's true :-)
[20:40]  * Bashing-om must be real old .. I Liked 10.04 !
[20:40] <BluesKaj> heh I lked KDE3
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> nostalgy is the best
[20:41] <TJ-> pfft, I loved 5.10, was a breath of fresh air :p
[20:41] <daftykins> XD
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> !5.10
[20:41] <BluesKaj> 5.10 was my first kubuntu iirc
[20:42] <daftykins> did anyone else find that debian might've had most of it, but that the defaults on installing a package always seemed to be absolutely nuts such taht the packages' main program wouldn't even run? whereas ubuntu seemed to come working as-is?
[20:42] <daftykins> *that
[20:42] <BluesKaj> installed it a 233mhz pc with 64mb Ram and 4G hdd '
[20:42] <TJ-> back then there was definitely a feeling that users were left to fail easily
[20:43] <TJ-> that's why Ubuntu got such a following
[20:43] <Bashing-om> I just looked, I still have the liveDVD of 6.06 ... Yeah it Do say 6.06 .. the only late release ???
[20:44] <daftykins> :D
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> !6.06
[20:44] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , I needed a lot of help back then, fortunately I ran into some reallu good people who helped me get the system running properly
[20:44] <BluesKaj> here on freenode
[20:44] <daftykins> are we all going to be here come 18.04 LTS? ;)
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> ofc
[20:45] <BluesKaj> I hope so ...
[20:45] <Bashing-om> and beyond ! why limit it to 18.04 ?
[20:45] <TJ-> yeah, 6.06 was the release that brought the integrated GUI Ubiquity installer
[20:46] <daftykins> you know, that little drama we had the other day about whether a community member had passed away or not, it reminds me about how little we really know about each other
[20:46] <EriC^^> which member?
[20:46] <daftykins> i came on IRC especially from the hospital bed to tell people i was going to be away for a bit :)
[20:46] <daftykins> umm, dr_willis or something?
[20:46] <daftykins> we weren't sure whether he was gone or not
[20:47] <EriC^^> oh
[20:47] <TJ-> yes, ffio was asking
[20:47] <EriC^^> is he ok?
[20:47] <TJ-> I pointed ffio to his current web-site
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> dr willis got a web?
[20:48] <TJ-> yeah
[20:48] <BluesKaj> right I haven't heard of dr willis for a while now
[20:49] <daftykins> i recognised the nickname but have no idea where i'd see it
[20:49] <TJ-> 2015-12-03 08:35:30     TJ-     ffio: I have his name for you: Phillip R. Jaenke
[20:49] <TJ-> 2015-12-03 08:36:49     TJ-     ffio: his home page http://www.rootwyrm.com/
[20:51] <BluesKaj> he seems tee'd off alright
[20:52] <TJ-> :D sounds like me on a good day :p
[20:52] <TJ-> Sometimes get hung-up chasing perfection when it's never going to be achieved
[20:52] <BluesKaj> I'm a retired Enviro/Lab Tech, in my early 70s, Linux has kept me going as a hobby for these last 10 yrs, besides my music of course.
[20:53] <BluesKaj> been retired for 16 yrs
[20:53] <TJ-> Certainly keeps the brain cells active!
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> i played in sesame street and now stuck on irc
[20:54] <BluesKaj> yup, gotta keep the brain cells active or they atrophy
[20:54] <TJ-> at the risk of sounding crass, I retired at 28 (but couldn't stick it and done other stuff on-and-off) but been 'pottering'  since 2005
[20:55] <TJ-> I'm 50 now, I think (counts on fingers!)
[20:55] <BluesKaj> wife is 70 and she plays LOTRO and DDO on her own pc...never gonna convince her to install linux tho ;/
[20:56] <daftykins> running those games would be a nightmare ;)
[20:57] <TJ-> Please sir, what's a game?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> she's happy with W7, it works qi=uite well actually
[20:57] <daftykins> it's that thing that keeps me achieving less :D
[20:57] <BluesKaj> quite
[20:57] <daftykins> mmm i like 7
[20:57] <daftykins> keep seeing windows update play up of late, wouldn't be surprised if it's a way to shift folk onto 10 - but i won't let any of my clients move
[20:58] <daftykins> 7's going to be XP v2 on that front i think
[20:58] <lotuspsychje> im 38 here
[20:58] <BluesKaj> W10 is ok so far altho i don't spend much time on it
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: give her a steambox for xmass :p
[20:59] <BluesKaj> of sourse all the silly bloatware is a pita
[20:59] <daftykins> 30 here :)
[20:59] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, too much work to set it up
[21:00] <BluesKaj> <--- lazy and cheap, her 2008 vintage HP runs fine
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:02] <TJ-> nothing wrong with long-running hardware; we're still perfectly happy with 2007 Dell XPSs
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> recently formatted a p4 with 220ram with lubuntu, got ir for free :p
[21:03] <BluesKaj> we have itpumped up a bit with an entry level gpu , nvidia gt218 and 6Gb RAM so it's
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> as long as the box runs, someone should use it
[21:04] <daftykins> agreed, i'm at my late 2007 core 2 quad desktop today :) few parts here and there added though, going SSD stops them from going to retirement for sure
[21:04] <TJ-> yeah, that and plenty of RAM
[21:05] <TJ-> and keeping them tidy and serviced
[21:05] <daftykins> though i was blown away with the speed at which that guy the other day set up a VM o0 i'm certain modern hardware would destroy mine at that
[21:05] <EriC^^> why dont we have robots that can get you stuff from the kitchen at night?
[21:05] <TJ-> depends on what 'setting up the VM' actually entailed. It shouldn't take long on any optimised system
[21:05] <daftykins> yep :) funny story there, i was away in England visiting some student friends, one was moving house and left behind the identical set of RAM as i have... he said i could keep it so i doubled from 2 x 2GB to 4 x 2GB DDR2 :D
[21:05] <BluesKaj> my pc is essentially the same as wife's except I but a 256Gb ssd in a month ago
[21:05] <TJ-> EriC^^: it's called 'exercise'  :D
[21:06] <daftykins> TJ-: full install of 14.04 then a dist-upgrade was pretty quick
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: mycroft, get me a beer!
[21:06] <daftykins> though i was falling asleep at the PC that day so it might just've been me :D
[21:07] <TJ-> daftykins: haha! I recall a similar situ with a friend who was a recent graduate, had in his flat a stack of 1U servers that drew so much power when he turned it on the fuses in the distribution unit would blow if anything else was switched on in the house. I ended up taking some off his hands.
[21:08] <daftykins> :D
[21:08] <TJ-> daftykins: I generally run something like that from a local repo archive so it is fast if there's no network latency involved
[21:08] <daftykins> i think it was down to fast IO as the guy had a recent macbook, so it could've been a PCI-E SSD
[21:08] <EriC^^> i get real lazy at night in bed
[21:08] <TJ-> right, that's the key, or running out of RAM
[21:09] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: you'd name yours mycroft?
[21:09] <daftykins> my core 2 quad is a bit of a slouch on the VM front
[21:09] <TJ-> I've got 8GB on this laptop, so sometimes I'll devote 4GB to an in-memory archive for repetitive testing
[21:09] <daftykins> wowzer!
[21:10] <TJ-> this is a core 2 duo T9500
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/14/meet-mycroft-open-source-artificial-intelligence-powered-by-snappy/
[21:11] <daftykins> come to think of it i'm being an idiot, it's probably because i use my 2 x 10,000RPM WD velociraptors in RAID 0 for my VM storage :) that'll be the slow bit!
[21:11] <daftykins> right, 9pm already i need to go and cook!
[21:11] <EriC^^> "who's a good speaker?"
[21:11] <daftykins> back later perhaps :)
[21:12] <TJ-> daftykins: probably be much faster in RAID1 mode :)
[21:12] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: ^ I kinda like the way TJ- talks .
[21:13]  * TJ- laughs ... good job you can't hear my east-midlands accent!
[21:13] <BluesKaj> I's 4pm here, my usual sign off time...talk with you guys again tomorrow.
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> i like uk accents
[21:13] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: what do you mean?
[21:14] <daftykins> you wanna hear my islander accent ;)
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you asked who's a good speaker :p
[21:14] <EriC^^> oh
[21:14] <EriC^^> haha
[21:14] <EriC^^> i was pretending what you could tell mycroft
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:14] <EriC^^> like you tell a dog
[21:15] <EriC^^> http://www.iflscience.com/technology/robot-chef-home-could-arrive-2017
[21:15] <EriC^^> now this is more like it :D
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: imagine those 2 hands above your bed!!!
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: making a big fat kebab when you watch tv from bed
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> mycroft, make another one!
[21:18] <OerHeks> one ounce kebab makes 15 kg Co2
[21:18] <EriC^^> $15,000 for it
[21:18] <OerHeks> we should speed up global warming, it is nice in NL.
[21:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:20] <TJ-> yeah speed it up so OerHeks gets to learn to built a raft :D
[21:21] <OerHeks> space-raft?
[21:21] <OerHeks> you sound like Mark S.
[21:21] <lotuspsychje> driving the cloudz
[21:22] <EriC^^> http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/cat-walks-again-after-receiving-titanium-prosethetic-legs
[21:22] <EriC^^> what's your response after looking at that pic?
[21:22] <EriC^^> be honest
[21:22] <TJ-> Ahhh! that's the cause of global warming, all those expanding clouds!
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:23] <OerHeks> EriC^^, great story, better than 2 wheels tied up.
[21:24] <TJ-> I bet the dogs give that cat a wide berth
[21:24] <TJ-> Can we install Mycroft into the legs and tell them to go a different direction to the cat though?
[21:24] <TJ-> it's that IoT thing, got to have it or it's not trendy
[21:25] <OerHeks> hmmm $5 pi
[21:25] <TJ-> the Zero? yes, when they can make enough to satisfy demand. right now they're almost as expensive as a B2
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Yeah for Vincent ^^.. but now he has to 'exercise' .
[21:29] <TJ-> they're going to jack him up slowly
[21:29] <TJ-> ! keep a straight face there at the back !
[21:30] <TJ-> ubot5: We never do
[21:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> we should link ubottu to mycroft
[21:31] <TJ-> so, has Vincent gone from rolling around on his balls to having to use legs? seems like a regression to me - someone file a bug report
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> so we can takeover the users pc
[21:34] <EriC^^> the other day i found a cool pastebin, | nc cwillu.com 10101 , the cool thing is that all the pastes are on the same link, so the user doesn't have to keep copying links each time
[21:34] <TJ-> hmm, well, if you discount the Mycroft hardware, the software side is interesting. I was looking at it but it's less true A.I. and more 'speech recognition'
[21:35] <TJ-> in other words, you can't feed it alternate data and have it 'learn' from the classifications it builds
[21:35] <EriC^^> so i was thinking it would be cool if whenever the user ran a command someone gave him, it just automatically pasted it or something
[21:36] <EriC^^> so i came up with this, script -f /tmp/bla , and in another window tail -f /tmp/bla | nc cwillu.com , you get the user's terminal in real-time, even if he doesn't press enter
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> they have an interesting 'golbot' in #gamingonlinux pasting url title when pasting an url into chan
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> go check it out :p
[21:37] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe the ubuntu for blind users have interesting stuff already?
[21:38] <TJ-> EriC^^: you can do it in the same terminal shell using a background named pipe
[21:39] <EriC^^> TJ-: it kept giving feedback from the nc command though
[21:39] <EriC^^> i tried a bunch
[21:39] <EriC^^> didn't work correctly i think
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[21:40] <EriC^^> TJ-: what do you mean exactly?
[21:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: you could start the tail command on a named pipe, and then start the script, so the user can start it going in the same terminal they type into
[21:41] <EriC^^> i tried tail -f /tmp/bla ... , then script -f it didnt work for some reason
[21:42] <EriC^^> touch /tmp/bla; tail -f /tmp/bla | ...
[21:42] <EriC^^> maybe it needs to have something inside
[21:48] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: #archlinux has a really handy bot
[21:48] <EriC^^> i think it's called phrik , it does like a million stuff
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> nice
[21:49] <EriC^^> like !give someone grub something , i think it basically has a ton of the arch wiki in it
[21:50] <TJ-> EriC^^: as in "mkfifo /tmp/myshell; tail -f /tmp/myshell | nc $HOST $PORT & script -f /tmp/myshell
[21:53] <EriC^^> TJ-: isn't working
[21:53] <EriC^^> it doesn't like it somehow
[21:53] <TJ-> EriC^^: where are you sending the pipe?
[21:53] <EriC^^> | nc cwillu.com 10101
[21:55] <TJ-> Oh, love the irony there... port 21 :p
[21:58] <TJ-> EriC^^: ahhh, OK, it isn't flushing
[21:58] <EriC^^> why not?
[21:59] <EriC^^> same process can't open the same file or something?
[22:02] <TJ-> it worked for me
[22:02] <TJ-> http://cwillu.com:8080/82.71.24.87/2
[22:05] <EriC^^> odd, isn't working here
[22:05] <TJ-> hmmm, sometimes it isn't flushing
[22:06] <EriC^^> this is the exact command i'm using mkfifo /tmp/bla; tail -f >/dev/null /tmp/bla | nc cwillu.com 10101 & script -f /tmp/bla
[22:07]  * lotuspsychje likes colortail
[22:07] <lotuspsychje> !info colortail
[22:10] <EriC^^> termbin.com was down couple days ago
[22:10] <EriC^^> wonder if it still is
[22:11] <EriC^^> yeah seems to be down
[22:11] <lotuspsychje> Due to heavy DDoS attacks service is currently unavailable. Sorry!
[22:11] <lotuspsychje> whats the fun of ddosing termbin...
[22:12] <lotuspsychje> or maybe a botnet found a 0day termbin flaw and abuse them
[22:17] <TJ-> it seems 'nc' is not flushing, even with "-i 1"
[22:22] <TJ-> right, not flusing, I ran tcpdump and watched the connection and it only sent the data when the command was terminated
[22:29] <EriC^^> i'm going to the kitchen guys
[22:29] <daftykins> :D
[22:30] <daftykins> build that robot whilst you're there!
[22:30]  * daftykins just had pizza
[22:30] <lotuspsychje> mmmmm
[22:30] <lotuspsychje> spare a piece for me? :p
[22:31] <EriC^^> :D
[22:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yourself?
[22:32] <lotuspsychje> or the dog :p
[22:35] <EriC^^> lol
[22:35] <daftykins> well i put it in the #ubuntu-discuss kitchen with a note on it saying 'for lotus' but i think i just saw EriC^^ ate it ;)
[22:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[22:38] <EriC^^> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Qv5fqunQ_4I#t=128
[22:38] <TJ-> EriC^^: I've got it working now!
[22:38] <EriC^^> cool!
[22:38] <TJ-> http://cwillu.com:8080/82.71.24.87/10
[22:39] <EriC^^> :D
[22:39] <TJ-> OK, and the shell construct I used is in there
[22:40] <TJ-> had to use 'dd' with blocksize=1 to avoid the caching
[22:40] <TJ-> the | grep 'http' is to prevent the bytes-sent messages the cwillu server sends back  being displayed
[22:41] <EriC^^> awesome!
[22:42] <TJ-> I'll write a similar but live system for my server next week, so Javascript can do JSON calls to fetch the latest data
[22:42] <TJ-> we can use that for support, and add features to it to make it simple
[22:42] <EriC^^> cool
[22:42] <daftykins> :D
[22:43] <TJ-> now all we need is a neat domain name to use for it !
[22:43] <TJ-> suggestions?
[22:43] <EriC^^> thisisnotakeylogger.com
[22:43] <EriC^^> lol
[22:43] <daftykins> XD
[22:44] <EriC^^> supportbin.com ?
[22:44] <EriC^^> livebin.com
[22:44] <daftykins> hmm it'd be neat if it was like pas.te
[22:44] <daftykins> but i don't even know if .te is a legitimate two letter country code and/or TLD :>
[22:45] <daftykins> nope it's not a thing :(
[22:45] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys ; )
[22:45] <lotuspsychje> sleep.to
[22:47] <daftykins> damn, someone owns sha.re
[22:48] <daftykins> TJ-: did you know you can get a .tj ? :)
[23:16] <TJ-> daftykins: errr, have you not seen my own domain? iam.tj
[23:16] <daftykins> i think that's what made me think of it XD
[23:17] <daftykins> seriously though i've been having some major memory issues of late o0
[23:17] <daftykins> we're almost at doctor trip i think :P
[23:17] <TJ-> Back in the early 2000s when the american company that had control of .tj folded I did try to buy it up, but ICAAN returned it to the control of the Tajikistan government, as it should )
[23:18] <daftykins> how noble!
[23:18] <TJ-> I'm a domain registrar so any legal domain names you guys come up with I can register easily
[23:23] <TJ-> how about our.sh
[23:23] <TJ-> or put.sh
[23:23] <daftykins> hmm i'd love you to investigate why it is that channel island names is allowed to operate as a monopoly and charge £47/yr for .gg and .je domains :(
[23:24] <daftykins> also £94 registration + first year
[23:24] <daftykins> i've been meaning to contact a local politician to ask why we allow it
[23:24] <TJ-> it's up to local registries how much they want to charge and what requirements are
[23:24] <daftykins> put.sh sounds alright
[23:25] <daftykins> hmm so i could start up my own and undercut them potentially? :>
[23:25] <TJ-> each CC TLD (country code) is delegated to an organisation approved by a country's government
[23:26] <TJ-> No, I'm on about registries (the organisations that offer top level domains), not registrars (who take orders and manage them)
[23:26] <daftykins> ah
[23:28] <TJ-> so we have CC TLD registries for each 2-letter country code, and we have gTLD registries for the new generic top level domains like .show, .software and all the hundreds of others
[23:29] <EriC^^> damn my metabolism
[23:29] <EriC^^> i'm hungry again.. i eat all day almost and i weigh 54kg
[23:29] <EriC^^> :#
[23:29] <TJ-> Then the companies that do the selling are the registrars/registration agents, that sell to domain registrants and managed the technical side of ensuring the entries are in the correct whois and DNS glue records
[23:29] <EriC^^> somebody make that robot for heaven's sake
[23:29] <TJ-> EriC^^: Blame the worms :)
[23:30] <daftykins> ^ time to get checked out!
[23:30] <EriC^^> lol, i've been like this my whole life
[23:30] <EriC^^> also don't eat raw meat and stuff
[23:30] <TJ-> EriC^^: sounds like we're alike on the metabolism; I'm the same, I can eat huge amounts and never add more than 0.5kg, and just get more hyper than ever
[23:31] <TJ-> I only eat raw meat if the Huskies will allow me to share with them :d
[23:31] <EriC^^> lol
[23:32] <TJ-> oh drat, I must have mis-searched. put.sh is registered
[23:32] <daftykins> EriC^^: i think i have a plan... move your bed into the kitchen
[23:32] <EriC^^> haha
[23:33] <EriC^^> i sometimes think about getting a fridge for the room
[23:33] <EriC^^> like a small one or something
[23:33] <TJ-> better still, fit the fridge with a mattress
[23:34] <TJ-> damn, woo.sh is registered :D
[23:34] <daftykins> 8D
[23:34] <daftykins> that's a great one
[23:35] <TJ-> oh, wow, hahaha this is clever, look at the nameserver names:
[23:35] <TJ-> $ whois flu.sh
[23:35] <TJ-> Domain : flu.sh
[23:35] <TJ-> Status : Client Updt+Delt Lock
[23:35] <TJ-> Expiry : 2016-01-14
[23:35] <TJ-> NS 1   : div.cx
[23:35] <TJ-> NS 2   : inc.al
[23:35] <TJ-> NS 3   : mul.si
[23:35] <TJ-> they're all CPU assembler instructions
[23:35] <daftykins> :D
[23:36] <TJ-> all the obvious ones are taken: cat.sh, tail.sh, pipe.sh
[23:36]  * TJ- fetches the Thesaurus
[23:37] <TJ-> ooo, at a tangent, if we created a .sh script with a unique name for users to fetch and use, they could do "scriptname.sh" and it will send to scriptname.sh
[23:39] <TJ-> here's a list of words ending sh: http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/sh/
[23:42] <EriC^^> how is giraffish a word
[23:42] <EriC^^> look at that lady's neck, so giraffish
[23:43] <EriC^^> nah
[23:44] <daftykins> XD
[23:44] <daftykins> this Xorg log sure is giraffish
[23:44] <EriC^^> haha
[23:44] <TJ-> hehe... golo.sh
[23:45] <daftykins> that's kind catchy
[23:45] <daftykins> "hey, throw it on golo.sh"
[23:45] <TJ-> I was liking 'furbi.sh' as in re-furbish until I realised what else 'furbi' can allude to
[23:45] <daftykins> yes :S
[23:45] <daftykins> go.sh ?
[23:46] <daftykins> "gosh that log is cryptic"
[23:46] <TJ-> hmmm... ohgo.sh
[23:46] <TJ-> damn, beaten to that 1 as well
[23:46] <daftykins> doh!
[23:46] <TJ-> grrr.sh ?
[23:46] <daftykins> that's more our anger when we see in the paste that it's elementary/kali ;)
[23:47] <TJ-> haha! discu.sh
[23:47] <EriC^^> typo.sh
[23:47] <daftykins> is help.sh too nonsensical?
[23:47] <TJ-> whaat... available... hotti.sh
[23:48] <TJ-> daftykins: already taken
[23:48] <daftykins> i can imagine that containing NSFW
[23:48] <TJ-> mmmm
[23:49] <Bashing-om> TJ-: fetch.sh ?
[23:49] <daftykins> can you feed the whole list in to check and return just the available? :D
[23:49] <daftykins> SeriouslyLaugh: wb o/
[23:49] <SeriouslyLaugh> ty daftykins
[23:49] <TJ-> No, the whois server usually has a limiter on it
[23:49] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:49] <TJ-> fetch.sh is available too
[23:49] <SeriouslyLaugh> so the verdict is in daftykins -- the Karma Go wifi hotspot is pretty damn amazing
[23:50] <TJ-> daftykins: at your terminal just do "whois xxxxx.sh" and you'll be able to check status
[23:50] <daftykins> that involves opening up a whole new KiTTY session ;)
[23:51] <TJ-> use tmux/screen
[23:51] <TJ-> wimpi.sh :P
[23:51] <daftykins> ;) that's what irssi here is in :D
[23:51] <daftykins> SeriouslyLaugh: hrmm what? :D
[23:52] <SeriouslyLaugh> er maybe it was someone else asking. but it came up a few days ago. great little device.
[23:52] <SeriouslyLaugh> just arrived yesterday
[23:52] <daftykins> :D
[23:53] <TJ-> squoo.sh - too web 2.0 ?
[23:54] <daftykins> that's quite neat
[23:55] <TJ-> we could replace those i's with y's , so in stead of abci.sh we had abcy.sh
[23:55] <daftykins> i suddenly came up with quack.sh but that doesn't make any sense
[23:55] <daftykins> it's available though XD
[23:56] <TJ-> sh101.sh
[23:57] <TJ-> hs101.sh
[23:57] <TJ-> hmmm
[23:58] <daftykins> tarni.sh ? :) available