[10:02] morning team o/ [10:08] morning :) [10:09] i got lazy last night, so perhaps today i will take that DVD drive out again [10:10] i was amazed at the quantity of internals, i bet they're much simplified these days [10:12] they're very mechanical usually, if tray-loaders. slot-loaders are sometimes a bit more streamlined [10:20] I'm chasing down replacements SMT diodes this morning, very frustrating, trying to match outline/pad dimensions [10:21] erk! [10:21] what's this one for? [10:21] that 'talking' mobo :) I bought another, turns out someone tortured it [10:22] one reason I always buy duplicates of all kit; makes investigation/repair and comparing against known-good so much easier [10:23] ah, interesting - so you have a backup of your main workhorse laptop too? [10:24] that definitely came in handy for a motherboard i have in a file server at a clients... i went to replace the CMOS battery and no joke, it never POSTd again... i had to swap in an identical spare which had been recently taken out of the secretarys system [10:27] We use a single model, have 5 of them, all identical configs so we can swap out [10:28] That sounds like the RTC/CMOS chip got static zapped [10:28] if i still had a spare PSU knocking around i'd test that board at home to see if i can get any life out of it [10:28] hmm, i'm usually pretty careful [10:29] if the chip is external i could pop in the one from the working board to test, right? [10:29] 'external' being socketed i mean [10:29] They're oldish (Dell XPS M1530) but very expandable, hi-res screens, but have 3 full internal mini-PCIe ports, SIM card, ExpressCard and so on so extremely flexible [10:30] *nod* [10:30] Yes, if it truly is a single CMOS chip. However, most modern (last 10 years) mobos use serial EEPROMs for the storage [10:31] http://www.svethardware.cz/recenze-asus-p5kc-dalsi-combo-s-intel-p35/19207/galerie/main3_h.jpg [10:31] that one's the victim :) [10:31] i spy a possibly removable one bottom left beside the FPIO header [10:33] The 8-pin DIP? The marking says FIU1-FIU3 [10:33] ja [10:34] i tried all my usual tricks, running the minimal hardware possible... CMOS reset... just got nothing but the whirr of fans [10:34] i think it may've powered itself off and on after a time, too [10:35] have you checked for bloated electrolytic capacitors? [10:36] well it was working immediately prior, i literally powered off just to replace the CMOS battery as it'd started requiring configuration whenever it'd lost mains [10:36] that photo looks like it has good quality solids... but is the mobo being tested with the same PSU as it failed with? [10:36] yep - though said PSU drove the identical one just fine, too [10:37] Well, if the fans spin up that means the power good signal is being asserted to the ATX PSU, so there's something on the mobo [10:37] is there a CMOS reset jumper? [10:39] yep CLRTC just two up from the winbond chip there, right of the DIP [10:39] definitely didn't leave it in the wrong position [10:41] no, was wondering about actually using it. If you replace the battery and don't clear down it can sometimes contain random content which buggers the BIOS config [10:41] as i say i was wiping it repeatedly in trying to get it to POST again [10:41] I can't read the part number of the Winbond chip, can you make it out? [10:42] amusingly my server has the exact same board too, so i could take it off there [10:42] it's very old kit now mind you, LGA775 - that one is able to have DDR2 or 3 :) [10:42] ooh i think i just saw a delivery guy in a neighbouring place :O [10:43] I'd put a multimeter on those MOSFETS next to the CPU, check if there's 1.5V or whatever the main rail for the CPU is on them [10:43] ah har [10:45] The drain (the large metal tab soldered to the PCB - and pin 3 where |'| is 123) [10:45] that's where the output voltage is measured [10:46] i don't even own a multimeter sadly, but i think the client has one in the same room as where this failed board is right now [10:48] Oh! you should, an indespendible tool even for testing simple fuses :) [10:49] *nod* definitely come up against times when it'd be handy [10:49] The MOSFETS next to the fan headers will likely be driving 12V, and those to thr left of the DIMM sockets anywhere from 1.7 to 2.5V, [10:50] mmm i'm getting to the point where i forget the different voltage standards of each generation, DDR2 in there so 2.6v i think that was [10:50] from what you've said it 'feels' like a failed capacitor issue though, in the power regulator circuit around the CPU socket [10:51] usually the voltage for the DIMMs is stamped into the DIMM socket, where the peg bar is. Having an illuminated anfle-poise magnifier also comes in VERY useful :) [10:51] s/anfle/angle/ [10:53] You need one of my talking mobos to tell you the problem :) [10:53] hehe, i do remember a friend having one of those [10:54] POST reporter i think it called that feature? but relies on the onboard audio [10:54] a lot of those premium enthusiast boards are coming with the port 80 style two character 7 segment displays built in now [10:55] Most older mobos still have firmware that outputs a POST progress code. You can connect a small adapter in a PCI slot and read it off - provided you have the mobo manual and it details the POST codes [10:55] :) [10:55] Yeah, you can find the signal on the LPC chip even if there isn't a display fitted [10:56] here, all this ACPI OS issue stuff, can you duplicate the data held against a working Windows OS version and write it in for Linux, then flash the chip yourself to get it working without modifying the OS? or is it too risky? [10:57] Linux can load a custom DSDT; we used to have that enabled by default in Ubuntu in 2005-2007 period, not sure if it still is possible now. [10:58] I used to work on that side of things when I was in the kernel team; posting fixed DSDTs for users to workaround bugs [10:58] ah har [10:59] no longer enabled though: [10:59] $ grep DSDT /boot/config-$(uname -r) [10:59] CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_FILE="" [10:59] # CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT is not set [10:59] does that seem like a mistake? [11:00] morning lotus o/ [11:00] morning guys [11:00] hey daftykins [11:00] whats new :p [11:00] morning [11:00] hey TJ- [11:01] i got post yesterday! :D awaiting a call/delivery today, now - oh and amazon shipped me a second SSD as the other is definitely lost [11:01] lost lol [11:01] yeah, i kind of hope it'll turn up so i can have 2... [11:01] and pay only one :p [11:02] return the 2nd for a refund .. ow wait [11:02] The Amazon drone dropped it :) [11:03] TJ-: lol [11:03] or do you have now 2 x 128 gb instead of 256? [11:03] lol they splitted the order [11:03] chopped it in half? ;) [11:04] that was the really good deal one, £33 delivered for a 240GB SanDisk [11:04] pay first then receive your second half :p [11:04] too good to be true :) [11:04] no shipping costs daftykins ? [11:04] nah i can get free from amazon UK [11:04] just takes a little longer [11:05] my gf needs a manual blender that can only be bought on amazon, you think they would ship to belgium? [11:05] still waiting for the Nexus 5 LCD from China too :) [11:05] worth a try? is it on UK or US? [11:05] think its us [11:06] lemme find link [11:06] is it the Blendtech one from 'will it blend?' :D [11:07] daftykins: [11:07] http://www.amazon.com/GSI-73365-Outdoors-Vortex-Blender/dp/B0018BLKQS [11:09] ah it's on UK but a lot more expensive; http://www.amazon.co.uk/GSI-330340-Vortex-Blender-vortex/dp/B0000Z6JZU/ [11:09] http://www.amazon.com/GSI-73365-Outdoors-Vortex-Blender/dp/B0018BLKQS [11:09] Sorry, this Seller doesn’t deliver to Belgium, dang [11:10] is there something specific about that one which another couldn't do? [11:10] yes, its ecologic and doesnt need electricity [11:11] oh yeah hand operated [11:11] we broke our 2nd philips blender [11:11] morning cfhowlett [11:11] \o [11:11] hey hey [11:11] so my gf wants no electricity anymore [11:12] that doesn't bode well for the computer work, lotus! [11:12] lol [11:12] :D [11:12] we kind like ecologic gadgets [11:13] i bought the waka waka also [11:13] led light operated by solar power [11:13] lotuspsychje: how about http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GSI-HAND-CRANKED-TWO-SPEED-VORTEX-BLENDER-BRAND-NEW-/272052096693 ? [11:14] nice price [11:15] yeah price is same as US there [11:15] but is ebay trustable to order? [11:15] P&P is expensive [11:15] i was hoping to find a dutch site, but cant find nowhere [11:15] wel i found 1 but blender was sold out [11:15] i would say so yeah, i buy a lot from ebay [11:16] and as long as you pay with paypal you get really good support if something does go wrong [11:16] +47 euro to belgium :p [11:17] http://www.qvist.nl/vortex-blender.html [11:17] OerHeks: yeah thats the one we found [11:17] blender sold out [11:17] :-( [11:18] OerHeks: weve send a mail to them, if they still ca get it [11:18] so bit patience :p [11:19] anyone knnows if that VFD guy came back with new crimson driver? [11:19] that's bloody expensive for a hand blender! Buy a damn whisk! [11:19] XD [11:19] TJ-: we need it for soups, shakes,nuts,... [11:20] has to be for rough jobs [11:20] lotuspsychje: do you forage ? [11:20] TJ-: whats forage mean [11:21] live off the land basically :) [11:21] loool [11:21] TJ-: just told, we broke 2 electric blenders philips already [11:21] hmmm, well that rather says you're using it for the wrong things [11:21] the mechanism is very soft build [11:22] TJ-: ..no we dont use it in your sm room [11:22] lol [11:22] sm ? [11:22] oh, hell. here we go ... [11:22] lol [11:22] shaker-maker ? [11:22] TJ-: im not gonan explain that one :p [11:23] S&M tj [11:23] you mean M&S ... Marks & Spencer :) [11:23] xmass in UK is nice [11:23] all those fancy stores [11:24] too bad they dont have an ubuntu corner yet [11:30] back in a bit, gonna take this DVD out again [11:30] also out, for grabbing take away pizza pepperoni [11:31] bbl [11:57] 'Morning all [12:04] the SSD just showed up! [12:06] daftykins, delivered? [12:08] which one though? [12:08] i think it's the first one XD [12:09] figures [12:09] can you tell via tracking number? [12:09] i'm on the page now confirming yeah, annoyingly amazon's account page has changed the order info link to a return info now [12:10] the tracking info has got into their system then [12:11] mmm i'm pretty sure this is the first and i'll have another before too long, normally i'd feel pretty moral about things but i'm not so sure... [12:11] i took a cotton bud to that DVD lens by the way, on putting it back in it's quicker to read but it's giving errors where there weren't any last time, so i think it's dead [12:12] cotton bud with isopropanol on i mean [12:12] i took it out completely and put a Pioneer SATA i have in instead, which works great [12:12] right, sounds like it was on the way out, possibly the head position has changed so it's not completely perpendicular to the disc surface [12:12] £9 for a new drive on amazon these days :S [12:13] ah right, mmm shame to give something up to the tip/recycling but it's not worth the time i think [12:13] thanks for your input as always :) [12:14] what would you guys do about this SSD drama? :) [12:14] Mr UPS just arrived with today's delivery of electronic components, so I'm topping up the parts bins [12:14] iaopropyl can leave a residue , yhe lens should be wiped clean with a dry Qtip [12:14] isopropyl [12:14] IPA is much easier to type :) [12:14] isn't that different to isopropanol, which evaporates fine? [12:15] to be honest i'm glad that PATA drive is out of that system ;) it was the last non-SATA thing in there [12:15] it was a nice drive though, NEC ND3520A [12:15] not really [12:18] google: Isopropyl alcohol (IUPAC name 2-propanol), also called isopropanol [12:19] ah ok [12:19] hmm, i'm not convinced it'll do much more to give it another rub [12:19] I can see well wnough to copy and paste :-) [12:19] daftykins, take it from an old lab tech [12:20] :) [12:20] lol there's a surprise, go to your own domain which points to a residential IP and see someone's router login [12:20] residual wetness can collect more dust [12:20] clearly my IP has changed... [12:23] dynamic IP [12:24] yep [12:24] just funny when once someone else gets it, they're running an external service too :) [12:25] you might have a stale IP - but http://techblo.gg/stuff/dvd.jpg [12:26] this may also work http://daftpunk.no-ip.biz/stuff/dvd.jpg [12:27] mmm so much faster ripping this music from this drive [12:30] apparently fstrim is no longer needed for the newer ssds and OSs, just the discard.noatime enties for / and /home in fstab [12:31] most SSDs do their own TRIMming via garbage collection routines defined in the firmware, mmm [12:31] it's frequent enough that it's probably overkill to have the OS request it too [12:32] on windows. but I'm not sure about linux [12:34] no the GC is invoked by the controller firmware [12:34] i don't think the OS matters [12:34] most kernel layers have TRIM support, even crypto and most file-systems [12:35] after formatting the ssd my firmware cd wouldn't even recognize the drive [12:35] TJ-: would you send one of the SSDs back? :) [12:35] daftykins: if they pay for the shipping; if it was their decision to declare it lost and send out another [12:35] a lot of manufacturer utilities can't detect drives when AHCI is used, i've seen [12:36] well i emailed them that it hadn't turned up in 2 weeks, they said wait until the 9th... so i did then i requested another [12:37] I'm surprised, amazon is very reliable IME [12:38] the shippers are I mean [12:39] had mine in 2 days [12:39] mmm, i'm on an island separate from the mainland UK though [12:40] me too [12:40] plus it was that crazy Black Friday weekend deals thing [12:40] literally being "shipped" [12:41] indeed! or flown if it's a more premium method [12:41] hmm it kind of looks like i'd have to pay to send it back [12:41] daftykins: is there a 2nd open order for the drive yet to arrive, or are they both on the same order? [12:42] black friday is a big deal stateside , but here in Canada it's just a small bump in sales [12:42] TJ-: second order yep, already despatched last night [12:42] too late to cancel [12:42] daftykins: the important question therefore is, how many have you been charged for [12:43] oh just the one so far, yeah [12:43] although the first one says "you must return this by January 9th" [12:44] well there you go, sounds like you just need to argue over the shipping, or else refuse to accept the 2nd device so it is returned by the courier [12:44] so i suppose it's up to them whether they would then claim it's my fault and charge me a second time, or imagine the couriers had lost it [12:46] i best get out to find some lunch before this other courier turns up :) [13:12] bbl [14:19] evenining folks [14:20] *evening :D [14:21] heya :) how are you today? [14:21] great thanks, you? [14:22] yeah ok here :) i'm in a delivery dilemma though! [14:22] i already got amazon to send a second SSD and guess what, the little blighter showed up today! [14:22] why? [14:22] (first one that is) [14:22] oh [14:23] well that's cool i guess [14:23] hehe, yeah - they want one back though [14:24] oh [14:24] :D [14:24] keep one i guess for a future client? [14:24] or yourself? :D [14:27] hehe, i'll see if i can get the original deal price on both maybe [14:27] cool [14:27] :) [14:27] daftykins, which ssd ? [14:31] just a cheap SanDisk Ultra II which came up on Amazon's Black Friday, 240GB model [14:34] daftykins, chrap as in inexpensive, my Sandisk usb sticks are still working fine after several yrs now [14:35] well it's kind of more mid-range, but it still uses MLC which is nice [14:52] ermagerd these users that are here for help yet fight your every statement [15:17] that michagogo's situation is weird for sure [15:38] daftykins, on which Isle do you live? [15:39] one of the Channel Islands between England and France [15:39] ok cool [16:57] anonimouse needs a hand with adjusting the boot priority order on a win8 + ubuntu EFI install, if anyone is active that knows how to use efibootmgr [16:58] there doesn't seem to be any way to change it from inside the EFI setup on what looks to be an HP system [17:05] hey daftykins [17:05] \o [17:05] just the guy :D [17:18] i'm getting the idea TomyWork is a timewasting troll [17:20] no, he analises that nicohood's issue correct [17:20] intel driver in a vm.. [17:24] he's just repeating what i already said, though [17:24] the guy was just comparing package lists with the VM i think, but is trying to make us help with an elementary install [17:39] http://paste.ubuntu.com/13899154/ - i don't for the life of me understand why foli's log shows it's not making use of the intel driver [17:40] i think maybe it doesn't consider itself compatible with the graphics found [17:43] *shrug* [17:44] ah-haaaaar i think the 3.13 kernel and intel driver package is too old to support the intel braswell CPU foli has; the intel N3050 [17:45] but quite how 13.10 worked fine i don't know O_O [17:47] that month thehardware was released. [17:48] :D [17:48] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvermont#Roadmap [17:51] http://ark.intel.com/products/87257/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3050-2M-Cache-up-to-2_16-GHz [17:51] grinn .. [18:39] good evening guys [18:49] evening lotuspsychje [18:49] hey EriC^^ [18:59] anyone needs an usb :p [18:59] http://news.softpedia.com/news/would-you-buy-a-30-ubuntu-mate-15-10-8gb-flash-drive-497415.shtml [19:02] 1 euro to produce the metal and electronics, and 29 euro for ubuntu mate haha [19:10] someone gonna get rich :p [19:18] and some pretty nice ubuntu heavy gaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPzpKQeFV6E [19:22] i play that with two friends co-op on the xbox [19:23] cool daftykins [19:23] lotus the SSD turned up! [19:23] yayyy, what happened to it? [19:23] but the second one is already on the way >_< [19:23] haha dunno, just a huge delay [19:23] is that 3 now? :D [19:23] lol [19:23] haha nah just telling my story over and over ;) [19:24] * lotuspsychje getting a dejavu here [19:24] oh i thought you weren't here earlier :P [19:24] lol same here! [19:25] i think TJ- spells us with his evil mental illness diagnoses :p [19:25] what illness? [19:25] asperger [19:25] :p [19:25] that's not an illness its jsut a difference! [19:25] lol [19:26] dyslecstickx now too? [19:26] nah, the keyboard's been playing footsie with the mouse [19:26] :p [19:27] daftykins: so your customer wants the ssd inside or not now? [19:29] i need to call still, he's been sick for a while [19:29] cyst in his eye :S [19:30] daftykins: check if there's a firmware before install ok: http://kb.sandisk.com/app/ssd [19:30] Finally! 16.04 won't enable online searches by default! [19:31] lotuspsychje: always do, i've had about every make of SSD now [19:31] nice TJ- ! [19:31] daftykins: sandisk is pretty nice [19:31] ref: http://www.whizzy.org/2015/12/online-searches-in-the-dash-to-be-off-by-default/ [19:32] music store, and music search, being removed from older releases too, via SRU [19:32] TJ-: lets hope it gets real lightweight now [19:35] hmm anyone got any thoughts on foli's Xorg log not using the intel driver with an intel N3050 braswell chip before i recommend the vivid HWE is enabled? log here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13899154/ [19:36] i don't understand why it goes to FBDEV instead of intel, unless it doesn't think it's supported [19:36] guy upgraded from 13.10 [19:36] daftykins: how did sudo lshw -C video look like? [19:37] mmm it said something like unclaimed [19:37] daftykins: one or 2 cards? [19:38] i didn't successfully get the full lspci at any point, but a braswell SoC like the N3050 would unlikely have any other hardware [19:38] 8086:22b1:1028:06ac rev 33 [19:38] daftykins: Tip: it's always at the early part of Xorg log [19:38] user reports 14.04.3 live session works fine [19:38] [ 17.811] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:22b1:1028:06ac rev 33, Mem @ 0x90000000/16777216, 0x80000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x0000f000/64 [19:39] daftykins: well unclaimed and no driver cant work much right [19:39] i have no idea how to convert that into a device name and whether or not it's supported :D [19:39] daftykins: maybe try the official intel linux installer? [19:39] noooo that ruins everything [19:39] i avoid it like the plague, in fact the guy said it didn't even install :) [19:40] $ grep -i '8086.*22b1' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias [19:40] alias pci:v00008086d000022B1sv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915 [19:40] i think i might suggest the vivid HWE, i know xserver-xorg-video-intel or whatever it's called is current [19:40] TJ-: mmm so it does match, weird why the Xorg log seems to show it giving up on using it with no reason though? [19:41] it just skips on to FBDEV [19:41] I've a chroot to a 14.04 install and it's not supported until [19:41] $ grep -i '8086.*22b1' /mnt/target/lib/modules/*/modules.alias [19:41] /mnt/target/lib/modules/4.1.0+/modules.alias:alias pci:v00008086d000022B1sv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915 [19:41] so 4.1 + [19:42] hmm strange! 14.04.3 would've had the 3.19 kernel on though, so that should work fine [19:42] daftykins: my first match was on 4.2 with 15.10 [19:42] !hwe [19:42] The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [19:42] 3.19 < 4.1 [19:42] i know, but he tried it and it came up ok, so it must be happy [19:42] got the right resolution either way :D [19:42] oh, I don't have 3.19 so it wouldn't match, doh! [19:43] ah har [19:43] lspci -nnk -d 8086:22b1 [19:44] you know, it did come up with an inaccurate name when the user showed me just the lspci name [19:44] "[ 18.396] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory" [19:45] i know it's just down to those text labels but it was a sign to me that it wasn't supported [19:45] so, no Direct Rendering Interface, possibly nomodeset (although kernel-command-line in Xorg log doesn't show it) or missing driver. Have them do "sudo depmod" [19:46] i had a /proc/cmdline shown which showed no evidence of nomodeset, too [19:52] daftykins: ok, that Xorg came from the older kernel: [19:52] "[ 17.766] Current Operating System: Linux dvv 3.13.0-71-generic" [19:52] that explains it [19:53] that's the kernel i'm running here on trusty, too [19:53] same here [19:53] no HWEs [19:54] Linux R00TB0X 3.13.0-71-generic #114-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 1 02:34:22 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [19:55] right, and the 3.13.x i915 doesn't claim the alias for that GPU; it needs the later kernel [19:55] excellent! i wonder how in the hell 13.10 worked properly o0 [19:55] mainline kernel; VESA driver? [19:56] could well be [20:00] im really wondering i never had any screen issue on trusty yet [20:00] so many boxes i installed on [20:01] :D [20:02] TJ-: i really hope your automatic repair/diagnose system comes alive in the future :p [20:02] lotuspsychje: the braswell chip is from Q1'15 so no surprise it didn't work, if you meant that [20:02] daftykins: aha, recent stuff [20:02] lotuspsychje: I'm aiming to have the first version ready for release in time for 16.04 [20:02] TJ-: nice! [20:03] TJ-: was your own distro working on? [20:03] lots of design, framework development, and experimentation to go yet, so it is extensible from the beginning [20:04] this is orthogonal but related; it is intended to work on any distro since it uses system-specific recognition and scripting [20:06] nice [20:07] I'm playing with some basic AI and peer-2-peer intelligence sharing [20:07] haha foli got it going then but one step back as the touchpad now doesn't work [20:18] hey Bashing-om [20:18] o/ [20:19] lotuspsychje: \o . Good day .. I am here. I hope that makes things better . Let's see what we can learn today . [20:19] Bashing-om: did that dual intel card guy got fixxed yesterday? [20:31] hey BluesKaj [20:33] this guy has been spotted yesterday: I bought over 10.000 dollar system 76 computer [20:33] lol [20:33] formatted with ubuntu mate himself and wasnt very happy [20:34] lotuspsychje: Sorta, got the display back up, but still with some DVD/Keyboard problems that I passed on . [20:34] Bashing-om: cool [20:34] hey lotuspsychje, tried plasma 5.5 on KaOS, not ready for prime time and didn't have the correct nvidia drivers, so it was difficult to judge [20:35] not a suse pacman package system fan [20:35] me neither [20:36] was slow and kept crashing , I dumped it [20:37] the ghosts beat pacman :( [20:37]