[01:48] <OrokuSaki> So.. no CM11 still?
[01:53] <dobey> ubuntu phone images aren't based off CM at all. they're based off AOSP.
[02:13] <OrokuSaki> dobey: yup... 13.x was the last you could do.. saucy...  though I have been following this... https://github.com/ubuntu-touchCAF
[02:18] <dobey> OrokuSaki: huh? what are you trying to accomplish? porting to a new device?
[02:19] <OrokuSaki> Yeah.. I ported the HP Touchpad back when non AOSP devices were supported...
[02:20] <dobey> CM is based on AOSP though
[02:20] <OrokuSaki> I don't remember... exactly.. and I get confused between all that...
[02:20] <OrokuSaki> I know I use caf.. and caf doesn't compile right on ubuntu touch
[02:21] <OrokuSaki> ogra_: right? =) Sup dude
[02:21] <dobey> ok. i don't know what that is
[02:21] <OrokuSaki> I am just an Stskeeps wannabe
[02:36] <OrokuSaki> I wonder if I could use sailfish stuff on ubuntu touch.. without the lxc
[02:37] <OrokuSaki> I did it for archlinux....
[02:37] <OrokuSaki> init android... get hwcomposer working.... maybe change systemd stuff and rip out more lxc stuff... it would be easier then messing with sources
[02:37] <OrokuSaki> well.. libhybris and hwcomposer would need to be compiled
[02:38] <OrokuSaki> and disable apparmor. =)
[02:39] <dobey> well, then you don't have ubuntu ported in that case
[02:39] <dobey> you have sailfish :)
[02:40] <dobey> anyway, i should stop being on the computer for today
[02:47] <OrokuSaki> no I would have unity =)
[04:05] <MadRush> howdy gents, anyone awake?
[04:08] <ExplodingKittens> MadRush, evening. I'm up for a little bit, just trying to get some software deployed to my emulator. Failing terribly, but trying regardless.
[04:28] <ljp> middle of the day here
[07:42] <sturmflut> abeato: Ping
[07:42] <abeato> sturmflut, pong
[07:43] <they_eye4> hehe table tennis
[07:44] <sturmflut> abeato: I hava a full logcat of my Android device connecting to O2 and doing National Roaming with E-Plus, and your mention of EF_SPDI helped me find the following
[07:44] <sturmflut> abeato: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13885856/
[07:45] <abeato> sturmflut, ok, so I guess you see you are not roaming in any of those 2 networks?
[07:45] <sturmflut> abeato: This SIM card pre-dates the merger by a year or so, but the last two lines show EF_SPDI entries for both networks
[07:48] <sturmflut> abeato: Can this list be updated over the air?
[07:48] <abeato> sturmflut, probably
[07:49] <abeato> sturmflut, the issue is how conformant is the MTK modem with the standard... it is not very good with mvnos
[07:50] <abeato> (or similar network configurations=
[07:50] <abeato> )
[07:50] <sturmflut> abeato: I wonder what e.g. a krillin running Android does, if it has the same problem or if they ship some patched Android components
[07:51] <abeato> sturmflut, that would definitely help a lot
[07:52] <abeato> it is possible that some trick is done on the MTK android side to configure the modem
[08:04] <tvoss> sturmflut, ping
[08:40] <robin-hero> Hey all, I've found a bug, I don't decide this is related to indicator-datetime, to calendar-app or to UUITK.
[08:40] <robin-hero> Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/Dctoo
[08:41] <robin-hero> On the first screenshot you see an event named "XXX céges vacsi" at 19:00 hour, it is the same on the indicator
[08:42] <robin-hero> But on the second screenshot you see another event named "Star Wars VII", in calendar 18:00, but on indicator it is 17:00
[08:42] <robin-hero> Any idea?
[08:43] <robin-hero> I use rc-proposed channel
[08:47] <sturmflut> tvoss: pong
[10:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Nobel Prize Day! 😃
[10:10] <k1l> i still wait for mine :)
[10:18] <jgdx> i want one too
[12:57] <robin-hero> DanChapman, Hey, there's something wrong with this string in Dekko's translation: https://translations.launchpad.net/dekko/0.6/+pots/dekko.dekkoproject/hu/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=attachment%28s%29
[12:59] <DanChapman> robin-hero, hey! yes that's already known (bug 1522782). I'll get to it at some point today :-)
[13:00] <Saviq> mardy, hey, is it known that you can't add a U1 account on recent rc-proposed?
[13:01] <mardy> Saviq: yes, if it's like bug 1520173
[13:01] <robin-hero> DanChapman, Awesome, thanks. :) When will you release a new version? I fixed some translations :)
[13:03] <Saviq> mardy, looks like it, thanks
[13:32] <myMike> hi all
[13:32] <robin-hero> I found an untranslated label when I try to add a Google account for contact import without internet connection. Is somebody which project on launchpad releated to this?  http://i.imgur.com/pNsdMLi.png
[13:33] <robin-hero> *know
[13:53] <DanChapman> robin-hero, next release will be as soon as the new message composer lands. Thanks for the translations! :-)
[13:54] <robin-hero> DanChapman, Thanks for the info, you're welcome :) I'm really looking forward to it :)
[14:33] <mardy> tvoss_: hi! Would you agree if I declared the {add,has,remove}_provider() method into the ProviderEnumerator class (as pure virtual, I'd keep the definition in Engine)?
[14:34] <mardy> tvoss_: I don't *have* to do it, it's just a cosmetic thing
[14:34] <tvoss_> mardy, if you fold it in there, rename it to ProviderCollection
[14:34] <mardy> tvoss_: ok
[14:34] <tvoss_> mardy, which is purely cosmetic, too, but reflects the purpose of the interface
[14:35] <mardy> tvoss_: and the parsing of the provider directory, would you like it to be implemented as a load() method in that interface, or would you rather have a ProviderLoader class that feeds providers into ProviderCollection?
[14:36] <tvoss_> a separate interface/class please, so a ProviderLoader and an impl FromDirectoryProviderLoader (modulo the clunkiness in naming) :)
[14:37] <mardy> tvoss_: ok
[14:38] <they_eye4> no new image on rc-proposed for today? :'((((
[14:38] <they_eye4> :'(((((((
[14:41] <jibel> they_sad4, an new image has been published an hour ago.
[14:41] <they_sad4> jibel, leme check :D OMG
[14:42] <they_sad4> jibel, omg your right! THANKS MUCH!!!
[14:43] <jibel> :)
[14:44] <they_sad4> the clock app now shows icon while loading
[14:44] <they_sad4> is cool
[14:46] <they_sad4> r190/arale happy now :D
[14:52] <dobey> huh
[15:03] <Myself5> hey guys, can someone tell me which Android Version the newest Ubuntu Touch is based off?
[15:03] <Myself5> popey maybe :P ?
[15:04] <popey> 4.4.1 I _think_
[15:04] <Myself5> I found different informations about it, hence I ask. there is a 5.1.1 branch, but the download is 4.4.2, and the android build version in the build dir is 4.4.2 too
[15:07] <GreeningGalaxy> hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on an old Nexus 7 (Grouper) and I simply cannot find good instructions for how to do that anywhere
[15:08] <GreeningGalaxy> Apparently the device isn't "supported" by any of the automated methods anymore, so I've found my way here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/pending/ to get the last versions that did support it, but now I can't figure out what to do with those files as there doesn't seem to be a help page pertaining to them
[15:10] <GreeningGalaxy> I've got saucy-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img and the other two for 'recovery' and 'system' flashed to my device, and now the recovery bit works, but it never gets past the google screen during normal boot and I can't figure out what I'm supposed to do with this .zip or .tar.gz
[15:10] <mcphail> GreeningGalaxy: is that the 2012 one?
[15:10] <sturmflut> Myself5: AFAIK all the devices we're shipping are on Android 4.4.2 with some patches, apparently there are some updates/new devices in preparation which use 5.0.2 or 5.1.1, hence the branches
[15:10] <GreeningGalaxy> yes
[15:11] <mcphail> GreeningGalaxy: it has been abandoned, as it just didn't work well enough
[15:11] <Myself5> all right. Guess I will grant me the fun of backporting my device trees then.
[15:11] <GreeningGalaxy> I get that, but I still want to install the last version that worked on it.
[15:12] <sturmflut> Myself5: That's the fun with Android :/ I tried to port a CyanogenMod 5.1.1 tree and when I realised what I'm in for I pretty much dropped the whole thing
[15:13] <GreeningGalaxy> so are these files not even intended to be installed on a device, or am I missing something else?
[15:13] <Myself5> sturmflut, do you know about the progress of the 5.1.1 branch?
[15:13] <sturmflut> Myself5: No, I think ondra knows
[15:14] <mcphail> GreeningGalaxy: no idea if the current tools support the old images. I haven't heard of anyone successfully using them, and there have been a couple of people who have tried recently
[15:15] <GreeningGalaxy> okay fine
[15:15] <ondra> Myself5 sturmflut there are some missing features in 5.1 branch, missing video recording, and hw accelerated video playback
[15:16] <ondra> rest should be working
[15:17] <Myself5> guess I'll try 5.1.1 then and report back, thanks ondra :)
[15:17] <ondra> Myself5 which device is this on?
[15:21] <dobey> GreeningGalaxy: the last version that worked on it, didn't
[15:22] <Myself5> ondra, planning on porting it to the Xperia Z3 and Z3 Compact
[15:22] <Myself5> using the Sony AOSP device trees
[15:22] <dobey> GreeningGalaxy: even if you could get it flashed, it'd be a waste, because the system freezes so often as to be unusable
[15:23] <Myself5> unfortunally these 2 don't have KK trees, which now means either backport the LP trees to KK or use the LP branch
[15:23] <GreeningGalaxy> doesn't sound much worse than I was already getting on Android, which probably means it'll just not work even that well on ut
[15:24] <dobey> but yes, i have the grouper $200 paperweight sitting on my desk too
[15:24] <GreeningGalaxy> what makes it so hard to support mobile devices? just generally speaking I mean, as compared to proper computers
[15:25] <dobey> the hardware
[15:25] <dobey> almost everything is proprietary
[15:25] <GreeningGalaxy> ah
[15:26] <dobey> and without working drivers, you just get a very expensive paperweight
[15:28] <GreeningGalaxy> so basically for each new device you support, you have to write new drivers for hardware that isn't well-documented?
[15:28] <dobey> no
[15:28] <dobey> each device has proprietary drivers that only work with a certain kernel version, and each device has to have its own custom image
[15:28] <GreeningGalaxy> ah, okay
[15:29] <dobey> the grouper is an nvidia tegra based device though, iirc, and those drivers just don't work well without the higher level android stuff
[15:30] <GreeningGalaxy> so my prospects for finding another linux distro to run on this aren't great?
[15:31] <dobey> you can maybe use it as a tiny headless server, by going the other route and getting the generic traditional ubuntu image installed on it
[16:45] <seb128> dbarth, mardy, signon-saslplugin.pc has "Libs.private: -lQtCore" shouldn't the -dev depends on the qtcore dev?
[16:47] <dbarth> seb128: hmm, probably
[16:47] <dbarth> mardy: ^^
[16:49] <seb128> dbarth, mardy, also thanks for putting the desktop team as maintainer in debian/control but that's not really true ;-)
[16:49] <seb128> dbarth, mardy, those are nitpick, otherwise the package looks good for NEW, +1 for upload
[16:50] <seb128> good work
[17:01] <seb128> sil2100, ^ btw
[17:10] <dbarth> seb128: thanks for the review
[17:10] <dbarth> mardy: put the webapps team as maintainer maybe, that'd be clearer
[17:10] <seb128> yw
[17:19] <Mirv> popey: is there a page to coordinate around Fairphone and who from community is doing that? I'm just sitting at a table with a Fairphone developer and we're wondering.
[17:19] <popey> pm
[17:21] <Mirv> popey: ok, let's see if someone starts working on that at some point, there's a Sailfish port and he was thinking Ubuntu would be nice too :)
[17:23] <mardy> seb128: thanks for spotting these, it's the result of a furious cut & paste (which means that the oauth plugin probably also has these issues)
[17:24] <mardy> seb128: do I have to fix them now, or can I create a separate MP after the landing?
[17:28] <Mirv> so everyone on devel-proposed: brace for impact in tomorrow's image where Qt 5.5 has landed - if the image builds, that is, the proposed migration was incomplete and some things need a small fix still that are in progress
[17:29] <seb128> mardy, no need to fix them now no, next landing is fine
[18:21] <mancebeitor> vnc viewer for ubuntu phone?
[18:23] <dobey> mancebeitor: if there's nothing in the app store, then no, one would need to be written
[18:26] <Gkarr> @giev link to list of bootable phones, thkU
[18:30] <Gkarr> can I use startup disk creator to make bootable usb stick?
[18:31] <dobey> if you want support for ubuntu, the channel to ask in is #ubuntu
[18:32] <dobey> for ubuntu on phones, the list of devices is...
[18:32] <dobey> !devices | Gkarr
[18:39] <Gkarr> I really hoped I just sucked at searching.
[18:39] <raspi_> just installed OTA8 on a Nexus 7 (2013) and baffled by screen rotation.  Apps auto-rotate but the main screen (apps icons) is stuck in landscape - Its this normal?
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> raspi_: wich channel are you on?
[18:40] <raspi_> not sure what you mean.  Sorry - never used chat before
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> raspi_: no i mean the ubuntu touch channel on your device
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> raspi_: devel? devele-proposed?
[18:41] <raspi_> oh right - channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> ah
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> raspi_: best channel for nexus7 is devel-proposed, but some apps doesnt go to portait mode indeed
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> raspi_: it uses landscape because its a tablet right
[18:43] <raspi_> but when I turn it to portrait I expect portrait.  Surely?
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> raspi_: some apps not mate, because the whole system thinks your device is a tablet
[18:44] <dobey> devel-proposed is not the best channel
[18:44] <dobey> devel-proposed is based on xenial, and xenial is getting lots of big changes at the moment
[18:44] <raspi_> even the log in screen wont rotate.  most apps do though
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> dobey: then it keeps changing here, ive asked so many times
[18:44] <dobey> if you want daily updates on a nexus device, use ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> dobey: so best channel is rc-propsed now for n7?
[18:45] <dobey> lotuspsychje: please stop saying "best" because that's arbitrary and subjective
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> dobey: you know what i mean mate, most reccomended
[18:46] <dobey> lotuspsychje: however, devel-proposed is the most unstable channel. stable is the most stable channel. if what you think is "best" for you, is a preview of updates that will be coming in the next stable updates, then rc-proposed is that channel
[18:46] <raspi_> surely the main screens on the OS should at least auto rotate?
[18:46] <dobey> lotuspsychje: stable is always the most recommended. there's a reason it's called "stable"
[18:47] <raspi_> regardless of the channel I used.  I mean this seems pretty basic
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> dobey: well some devs told me here last time devel-proposed was best channel and most worked on for the nexus7
[18:47] <dobey> raspi_: i think the design of unity8 for tablets is that it stays in landscape. if you disagree, feel free to open a bug about unity8 not rotating
[18:47] <dobey> lotuspsychje: what devs?
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> dobey: cant recall sorry, but i asked it alot :p
[18:49] <dobey> lotuspsychje: i have never seen any developers who actually work on ubuntu recommend devel-proposed as the "best" channel to use, to anyone, for like a year.
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> dobey: i think nhaines also use devel-proposed
[18:49] <raspi_> I am going to try devel-proposed for kicks.  Thanks dobey, lotuspsychje for the thoughts
[18:49] <dobey> devel-proposed isn't going to change anything, other than to give you something that is truly unstable
[18:50] <dobey> the screen isn't going to rotate in it, any more than it rotates in stable or rc-proposed
[18:50] <raspi_> hmmm - not sure what to think.  The unity bar should rotate at least when I rotate the tablet?  Agreed?
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> dobey: no sweat ill install rc-proposed on it tomorrow, lets hope i reinstall for the last time now
[18:51] <dobey> whether i agree or not is irrelevant. i'm not the designers who specify how it should be have, nor am i on the team that works on unity8 and implements that design
[18:51] <dobey> like i said, i think that is the design. if you disagree with it, open a bug.
[18:51] <raspi_> hmmm - not sure what to think.  The unity bar should rotate at least when I rotate the tablet?  Agreed?
[18:52] <raspi_> okay - cheers
[20:59] <abhinav2_> @ondra, since you said lollipop based ubuntu os boots, does the mako tree (branch: personal/w-ondra/phablet-5.1.1_r5) gives a booting build?
[22:12] <adfad666> I'd like to know that too ^
[23:27] <goddard> why does Tizen have CDMA support but Ubuntu Phone does not?
[23:27] <goddard> can't just intergrate it?