[00:00] yeah, I was thinking about that. I'm thinking about possible word mis-associations non-English speakers might make too [00:00] ah yeah, can land people in a lot of trouble that one [00:00] i feel like squoo.sh is quite the winner so far [00:00] "squoosh it into a paste for us" [00:01] On a 'cloudy' theme I was thinking share.sh but that's taken, then shair.sh [00:01] yes, it does roll off the tongue well [00:02] but when someone asks "what?" try explaining it! [00:02] there'll be an explainer page though right? :) [00:03] what're yous guys up to? registering a domain? [00:03] fix.sh ? [00:03] yeah thinking up one for a new paste site, for user's logs [00:03] daftykins: true, but it helps for it to be obvious in the name [00:03] or commands [00:03] *nod* [00:03] fix.sh isn't bad [00:03] i recently discovered ix.io via the twitchinstalls stream [00:04] decent site ix.io/user/ [00:05] what's wrong with the current site? paste.ubuntu.com right? [00:06] sorry i feel like Donnie in the big lebowski [00:06] well, sometimes you're helping someone and you have to have like 12 tabs open for repeat runs [00:06] it becomes a bit of a nightmare to keep track of [00:10] we were playing with minimal shell commands that can 'stream' the terminal commands as the user types them, and reflects them on a web page [00:10] brilliant [00:11] there's a site offering that but would be great to have it under our control so we can add features and experiment. [00:11] the commands we used were [00:11] FIFO=/tmp/myshell; mkfifo $FIFO; dd if=$FIFO bs=1 | nc cwillu.com 10101 | grep 'http' & script -f $FIFO; kill %1; rm $FIFO [00:14] daftykins: you know how the heart of that is the "script -f /path/to/file" part? [00:15] daftykins: if the shell is guaranteed to be bash, we can use bash's own TCP conection magic to do "script -f /dev/tcp//" directly without the tail/nc parts [00:16] daftykins: e.g. "script -f /dev/tcp/fix.sh/911" [00:16] :D [00:17] or 112 or 999 (I can set up all the common emergency number ports to work the same) [00:18] oh, in that word-list: postcra.sh [00:21] payst.sh, tmux.sh [00:25] * EriC^^ goes to the kitchen [00:27] ooo! how about stty.sh [00:27] very close to shitty :S [00:28] Shit! [00:28] hahaha [00:28] :D [00:28] yes, close call there. I was looking through the list of coreutils binaries [00:31] qwert.sh [00:31] qwerty.sh [00:34] does it have to be .sh? if so why not something related to ba.sh [00:34] or sma.sh or cra.sh [00:34] well, we liked the idea that the domain-name would match a hypothetical diagnostic script [00:35] minimum of 3 letters; many already taken, so we were looking at a list of words ending 'sh' for some inspiration [00:36] feti.sh [00:36] heh [00:37] in a terminal you can check what is still available with "whois something.sh" [00:41] hmmm... diag.sh and repair.sh [00:44] poot.sh :) [00:45] linu.sh [00:45] hmmm :) [00:46] i looked at ubu.sh earlier, but trying to avoid obvious trademarks [01:01] qute.sh [01:02] i'm still fond of squoo.sh :> [01:05] yes, me too [01:06] try pronouncing it though, it's difficult to tell (as a listener) what the spelling is [01:06] make it sew! [01:06] I'm playing on http://www.fakeword.com/ [01:07] mmmm, vavoo.sh [01:07] that reminds me of the old renault ads [01:07] vavavoom [01:09] haha, knew I had word association from something [01:10] honestly how often would it be said aloud though [01:10] i'm still reeling about 'MATE' being Mah-tay [01:10] haha! [01:10] so much stuff in FOSS sounds so utterly pretentious to me ;) [01:10] SeriouslyLaugh: everyone with Mycroft AI would suffer if Mycroft cannot pronounce it!! [01:10] this is critical stuff [01:11] first time i hear someone say ubuntu irl i had to do a double take [01:12] so much of the stuff i read i rarely hear pronounced, it's a weird phenomenon [01:12] i pronounce it - ooh (as in who) bun (like a roll) too (like the number 2) [01:12] yes, I am always having to correct myself [01:13] i think it's technically ooh-boon-too [01:13] not entirely sure [01:13] it's always a bad sign when a trademark pronunciation has to be introduced by Nelson Mandala :) [01:13] i've also heard you-boon-too [01:13] anyone else remember that video? [01:13] vaguely [01:13] used to be in the $HOME/Video directory of fresh installs [01:14] oh yeah there used to be a lot of files in the Examples folder iirc [01:17] i say itthe more african way, i had someones mum phone up saying she needed her data taken off her "herb and two" system once [01:17] took me ages to realise what she meant :) [01:17] :D [01:17] in fact that's the first time i saw it in the wild - and she was getting rid of it as her son gave her his old mac! >_< [05:27] wb lotuspsychje [05:27] good morning to all [05:27] hey SeriouslyLaugh [05:27] SeriouslyLaugh: hows support going [05:28] not bad, had a decent cut and dry solve yesterday which was nice [05:28] SeriouslyLaugh: what did you fix? [05:28] USB passthrough in a virtualbox VM [05:28] nice! [05:28] yah [05:29] SeriouslyLaugh: you work in IT branch? [05:30] lotuspsychje no, just a hobby [05:30] cool [05:30] you? [05:31] SeriouslyLaugh: i worked 18 years in a truck n trailer company, then 6 months service after sales in mediamarket [05:31] SeriouslyLaugh: my future plan is to run an ubuntu store [05:32] neat! i'm in advertising [05:33] SeriouslyLaugh: how did you get in contact with ubuntu [05:33] you mean like how did i first hear about it? [05:34] yeah [05:35] hm good question, i'll have to ruminate on that [05:35] :p [06:27] tgm4883 after he gets that sorted out i was going to have him run wget -O skype-install.deb http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb [06:28] and then sudo dpkg -i skype-install.deb [06:28] SeriouslyLaugh: think he messed with too many ppa's [06:29] yeah and if apt-get update fails i don't think the skype install would work [06:46] Greetings! :-) [06:46] hey mate [06:46] add to your favs [06:47] always handy to have good relations [06:54] carrera: most crew here got ssd inside with linux :p [06:59] Hi.Does ubuntu overwrite the cups ? [06:59] sam_yan: i think you looking for help in #ubuntu ? [06:59] yes [07:00] sam_yan: this is the ubuntu discussion room [07:00] Because ubuntu have use systemd.and the cups is related in systemd [07:01] sam_yan: ask in #ubuntu please [07:02] ok.I am sorry. [07:13] bbl breakfast [11:10] good noon TJ- [11:12] don't be premature, you make me feel lazy - you're an hour ahead of me :D [11:12] lol [11:12] its almost teat time :p [11:12] tea [11:12] I was only woken up 1/2 hour ago by a UPS delivery - not slept that long in ages [11:13] what did you get? [11:13] Grrrr, if you carry on I may as well go back to bed :O [11:13] oh, I feel VERY guilty... an entire UPS van for 10 4mmx1.6mm SMD diodes! The packaging is 10,000 times bigger than the diodes [11:14] lol [11:14] Usually Farnell send components by regular postal mail, but must be due to the volume this time of year because they promise next-day delivery if you order before 20:00, they use UPS no matter how small the order. [12:09] Hiyas all [12:12] hey BluesKaj :-) [12:13] Hi OerHeks ;-) [12:14] afternoon :) [12:15] just got plasma 5.4.3 upgrade, readying for plasma 5.5, I guess, which is a major change to the plasma desktop [12:15] hey TJ- [12:16] Another!? [12:19] TJ-, they have to fix what they mucked up ...bugs and too many fav features were dropped in plasma 5, which apparently have been resurrected in 5.5 [12:20] * TJ- shakes head sadly [12:20] I never fail to be disappointed at how open-source dev's are more interested in scratching their own itches than on providing a solid predictable user experience. [12:21] You can do both; just not in the stable/release code [12:21] * BluesKaj nods [12:22] Distro's should hold a packaging rule that when an upstream does a new release that significantly regresses existing functionality, that doesn't get into the distro until it has feature parity [12:30] good news everyone! :) [12:30] also hi team \o [12:32] hi daftykins, what is the good news? [12:32] Are you going to be a dad? [12:32] that would be resoundingly bad news :D [12:32] it would seem i did get charged for the second SSD, but at the original deal price of very cheap... so i think i will enquire about keeping both :D [12:32] For those with hidden feelings for you, maybe... [12:33] haha [12:33] i think i know one that may apply to ;) [12:33] oh, that is nice yeah. [12:34] oh it was only about £8 off, hmm :) [12:36] LOL ... I love watching the pyschology at work when it comes to 'deals' when people try to figure out who won; them or the retailer [12:37] :) [12:37] Rather like a Casino - the bank always wins! [12:37] i don't think it's quite that bad, but i definitely am a sucker for deals :D [12:38] what's pretty good is everything i got i'm selling though, so all is well :> [12:39] I was telling lotuspsychje I felt guilty this morning when a UPS van delivered 10 4mmx16.mm diodes [12:39] s/16.mm/1.6mm/ [12:39] did they drive into the middle of the field? :) [12:40] they often drive into the middle of the yard, which is the coords of our postcode, then we have to call them back [12:42] yeah you shared the tale once, so i wondered if it was repeated today :D [12:42] you could always have made the drivers' day by saying they were for your time machine [12:42] If its the same driver they remember, but it seems most commercial sat-navs don't 'learn' [12:43] haha what and order the same parts for delivery every day? Deja-Vu [12:44] :D [12:45] i'm glad to hear that those guys i looked at the wifi troubles for say all is working well, now [12:45] i'm not sure whether i would develop so nice a thing as a 'no fix no fee' policy :D [12:47] hey daftykins, gona raid the 2 ssds? [12:48] haha no, i need to make a call in a moment and see if a mate the cheap laptop is for wants it in there [12:48] still need to wait for the second one to turn up too :) [12:48] ok, just curious [12:49] all my systems are actually fully SSD already, desktop, laptop... file server and HTPC [12:49] i even have 2 x 40GB intel cheap SSDs spare doing nothing [12:51] I'm just beginning to switch over to SSD, still have to convince wifey that I can make her system a lot faster [12:53] :D i guess you'd need a decent capacity one, then to clone the whole system over and leave her to it to notice it the best way [12:53] i had a client say "but you're a nerd" when i said SSDs make a night and day difference, though he then admitted he noticed a huge difference himself! [12:59] not the read/write speed, but 0 seektime .. [13:01] daftykins: I think for most stuff, you're charging for the knowledge and experience not the fix itself [13:02] very true [13:02] For me to throw a 1 minute solution into #ubuntu probably is because I've spent hours or days previously, researching the issue [13:02] i'm left thinking that half of the little devices these guys were given for wifi, simply do nothing [13:02] probably, they're driven by marketing bods wanting to claim feature bullet points [13:03] I dd'd the existing Kubuntu installation from a hdd to the new ssd without a problem ...no uefi boot partitions etc to worry about [13:03] almost tempting to call the company that supplied them and pretend to be a client, to see what they say [13:03] When I was consulting and had clients question my fees, I'd point out they're not paying for my time today, but for my time over several years getting this good at identifying and solving the issue [13:06] TJ-, who was paying you for the time when you were learning ? :-) [13:06] BluesKaj: no one [13:07] Generally I calculated that 65% of the time was not commissioned, e.g. spent learning, experimenting with test set-ups, writing experimental code, etc. [13:07] time well spent then [13:08] I've been getting some calls recently wanting me to do som 'cyber' security consulting, and right now that seems to pay silly money. Not unusual to hear an offer of £5k a day [13:09] and still so many are getting compromised :) [13:09] i had a uni coursemate or two who jumped ship to digital forensics, could've been fun [13:09] Because business directors are now running scared of a compromise and falling over to find a conmfort blanket. When you tell them the simple solution though, they don't want it [13:10] It is fun, but can be high pressure if you're involved in a live penetration issue [13:11] OerHeks: im in level15 of phlipple [13:11] :-D [13:11] "Don't use software that is proven to be continusoult compromised for the last 15 years" - e.g. "Stop using Windows", "Stop using HTML-based email", "Stop allowing user's to open attachments", "Have firewall blocking OUTGOING connections" [13:12] adobe gave linux a present, patched flash :p [13:12] patched until tomorrow ;) [13:12] lol [13:12] i can't wait until flash dies [13:12] or 0day yesterday? [13:12] "Don't run DB servers on the same host as a web server", "Use firewall and rate-limitation on DB host access", "don't allow direct SQL queries from apps; provide Stored Procedures" [13:12] same here [13:13] TJ-: makes a lot of sense, all that [13:13] TJ-: most companys and admins never heard of pentest before.. [13:13] daftykins: right... basics... but folks still want convenience over good practices [13:14] lotuspsychje: they have, they just don't know it. Just have someone try to walk in off the street ... that's pen testing. It isn't magically just because it's on the network [13:14] lol [13:14] but to know the 'virtual' dangers, they just dont care [13:15] they just skared of the consequences when you confront them [13:15] hi pauljw [13:15] I'm serious. The problem is that too many people think the 'Internet' (aka LAN) is somehow something magical and apart from 'real life'. Adopt the same practices as you do in real life and you won't go far wrong [13:16] TJ-: well for social network its the other way around, big virtual ego's on facebook [13:16] Carrying all your credit cards in the same wallet? Fail - distribute them around your pockets == Don't store all your data in a single database [13:16] morning lotuspsychje , everyone :) [13:16] Written down your Credit Card PIN codes and carrying it in your wallet? Fail - encrypt it == unencrypted passwords [13:16] hello! :) [13:16] TJ-: dont store pics on iphones you dont want getting hacked [13:16] :) [13:17] TJ-: alot of things fail mate [13:18] good advice TJ- i just spent the past several days implementing vpn here at home. [13:19] TJ-: no one expects a burgler in his house neither right? [13:19] TJ-: but on the internet, burglers are kinda anonymous [13:19] no face on your windows lol [13:20] lotuspsychje: Yes, they do expect it, else why fit locks to the doors and windows? [13:20] TJ-: you mean 1 doorlock at the backdoor? [13:20] TJ-: nothing that a cowbar cant handle [13:21] lotuspsychje: if folks didnt' expect a burglar, they wouldn't fit locks. [13:21] bit sniffing around with nmap :p [13:21] TJ-: common mate, many houses are wideopen, they leave the house without locking [13:21] ask your familly, friends [13:21] many people fit CCTV == use Intrusion Detection on the network [13:22] lotuspsychje: right, I do for 1. I trust my neighbours. I leave the car unlocked too. [13:22] 'Morning pauljw, I see you're using PIA as well , been using it for a couple of yrs now . [13:22] aGV5 [13:23] d2hhdCByIHUgdGFsa2luJyAnYm91dD8= [13:23] morning BluesKaj , yeah, seemed to come highly recommended so thought i'd try it. bought a flashrouter too [13:23] ID175924853: can we help you? [13:24] i think someone just leant on their password manager [13:24] bG90dXNwc3ljaGosIHdoYXQ/ [13:24] pauljw, flashrouter? [13:24] DJones, Tm_T awake? [13:25] d2hhdCByIHlhIHRhbGtpbicgYm91dD8gY21vbiwgZ3V5cywgaXQncyBiYXNlNjQsIHBsZWFzZSwgc3BlYWsgdXNpbmcgb25l [13:25] BluesKaj, https://www.flashrouters.com/ [13:26] Pici alive? [13:26] phunyguy maybe? [13:26] dGhhdCBzaXRlJ3MgaW4gZW5nbGlzaC4gc3RvcCBzcGVha2luZyBlbmdsaXNoLiBzcGVhayBiYXNlNjQ= [13:26] SXQncyBvbmx5IGJhc2U2NAo= [13:27] Translation: It's only base64 [13:27] aSBrbm93LCBpdCdzIGEgbGFuZ3VhZ2UuIGknbSBmcm9tIGJhc2U2NGlh [13:27] !ops | ID175924853 flood [13:27] ID175924853 flood: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, PriceChild, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, k1l, rww, phunyguy, bazhang [13:28] d2FpdCwgd2hhdD8= [13:28] UGxlYXNlIG9ubHkgc3BlYWsgRW5nbGlzaCBpbiB0aGlzIHdvcmxkL2NoYW5uZWwK [13:28] DJones: tnx [13:39] what an idiot [13:40] they've found our bat cave! [13:41] lol EriC^^ [13:41] everyone to their stations! [13:41] XD [13:41] i hope our encrypted pass didnt leak outside [13:43] TJ-: did you settle on a domain in the end, last night? :) [13:50] MooDoo: welcome, moo [13:52] lotuspsychje: thank you :) [13:55] BBL [13:55] yay a MooDoo [13:59] hello daftykins :) funny, sure I spoke to you earlier on today :) [14:00] ^_^ i get around! [14:01] heh [14:39] daftykins: domain: no, I kindof like to ruminate on naming issues for a while; usually the best one settles out from that process, or another more obvious name comes out of it [14:39] understood :> [14:40] I'm like you favouring squoo.sh right now, but wondering if practically, a more obvious one might be better [14:41] the brain-trust in here must pool its' collective resources :> [14:42] I've just counted history; done 84 whois lookups so-far [14:44] I was playing around with termit.sh last-thing last night [14:50] sigz, 358 is buggy... it causes steam crashes and also causes grid to do a hard lockup of your system [14:51] very handy channel #gamingonlinux [14:51] lets see [14:53] and cool url bot :p [15:02] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Dell-Doing-UEFI-LVFS [15:03] wb BluesKaj [15:04] connection droped out , that's odd [15:04] dropped even [15:13] lotuspsychje: Yes, and Ubuntu is scheduled to support UEFI Capsules for 16.04 [15:13] nice nice [15:17] TJ-: JanC told us vaapi is risky to use? [15:18] it shouldn't be, it's basically the same technology as nvidia's VDPAU [15:18] ic [15:18] !find vaapi [15:18] Found: gstreamer1.0-vaapi, gstreamer1.0-vaapi-doc, i965-va-driver, i965-va-driver-dbg, libgstreamer-vaapi1.0-0, libgstreamer-vaapi1.0-dev, W:, W:, W:, W: (and 1 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vaapi&searchon=names&suite=vivid§ion=all [15:18] some intel chipset on askubuntu reccomended that vaapi [15:19] Kodi uses that :> [15:20] me and bashing-om had a user this week with intel dual head chipset [15:20] i heard about that, how does that work o0 one on-die then...? [15:20] not sure how he fixxed it, went to sleep afterwards [15:22] daftykins: the guy had bot heads unclaimed [15:23] dual-head usually means the CRTCs (outputs) not GPUs [15:23] and think bashing-om let him install that xorg-intel [15:23] TJ-: yeah but it was 2 cards, same as we have optimus [15:23] but then 2 intels [15:24] i feel in quite some disbelief over that one, as all modern intel is on-die, so there'd be no place for the second to live [15:25] Oh, dual-GPU then [15:25] Like the Nvidia Quadro NVS420 I have [15:25] yeah [15:25] 4-heads, 2-GPU [15:25] 2 cards in lswh -C video [15:25] lemme re-find that paste [15:26] lotuspsychje: there's a gotcha in that sometimes; on *some* systems the SAME GPU can appear at TWO different locations on the PCI bus. [15:30] TJ-, daftykins think it was this1: http://pastebin.com/ruJJS4mS [15:30] hmm i think those are part of the same [15:31] lshw -C video showed them both unclaimed [15:33] this seems to indicate it's a single GPU: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_Latitude_D630 [15:33] I'd suggest be careful with the VAAPI driver; I have pretty bad experiences with that... [15:42] The intel datasheet confirms its a single GPU with dual-head capability, the standard offering. http://www.intel.com/assets/pdf/datasheet/316273.pdf [15:43] aha [15:45] those '2' devices are actually the parent bridge 2.0 and the actual device 2.1. This is where "lspci -nn" comes in handy because you can see the device class, but there is a clue in the text-output: "VGA compatible controller" for 2.0 versus "Display controller" for 2.1 [15:45] right [15:45] see http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PD/03 [15:47] the first "VGA compatible controller" presents a VESA VGA compatible interface whereas the "Display controller" requires the hardware-specific driver [16:14] the main/only risk of using VAAPI is that you get errors when playing videos (it's only used for that after all) [16:16] right, and the user reports the issue only after having played a video, which suggests adding it may indeed help [16:41] urge to visit the coffee shop rising... [16:42] :p [16:45] 15 mins 'til closing! [16:46] runnnn [16:46] :D [16:46] and bring a warm cappucino for me :p [16:53] d'aww i only just saw that now! :> [16:53] mission accomplished \o/ [16:54] just put that SSD into the cheap Lenovo, so now i have a spare 1TB seagate! :> [16:54] although i will suggest getting a caddy to put it inside also [16:54] nice! [16:57] bbl [17:32] daftykins: wich Os going on it? [17:33] 10! :) came with 8.1 but ugh :P [17:34] daftykins: is it still free update? [17:37] yep 'til July of next [17:37] nice nice [17:40] man these opera CDs :( [17:40] ripping? :p [17:40] yip [17:41] hi sethj [17:41] * sethj waves [17:42] OerHeks: cant get past level 15 grrrrr [17:42] intriguing game, isn't it? [17:42] or how you spell that [17:42] yeah it makes your brain think in all directions! [17:42] not an bad exercise [17:43] indeede [17:43] unless you are unstable wobble waterhead like me [17:43] lol [17:58] amazing! level18 [18:04] here's that cheap machine and high-res screen: http://techblo.gg/stuff/lappy.jpg [18:04] if you can excuse the poor quality :> [18:05] daftykins: cool mate [18:06] that one's ready to be picked up tomorrow [18:07] one customer gonna be happy [18:07] ^_^ [18:07] daftykins: how fast is boot? [18:07] maybe, until he tries to use 10 since he's used to 7 ;D [18:07] hmm lemme do a vid [18:08] hey Bashing-om [18:09] lotuspsychje: Hey hey ! As our world turns . Good seesion ? [18:09] Bashing-om: yeah pretty active today [18:14] oh this is hilarious, one of the tracks has a name so long that Windows can't delete it, let me rename it... or anything [18:15] it was happy to let the flac binary create it, but it can now do nothing with it XD [18:15] lotuspsychje: there's the vid, with some lovely British commentary ;) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hsjdu6j4k0ykem3/VID_20151211_180831.mp4?dl=0 [18:16] lets c :p [18:16] silly me, claimed it was hybrid on reboot but of course it isn't [18:17] daftykins: thats insane fast man [18:17] you should make a yt :p [18:17] haha [18:17] neither of those are hybrid either, that'd be even more impressive [18:18] serious very fast [18:20] boot speed matters! [18:21] using laptop like a tablet [18:21] press power and use [18:21] definitely useful when on the road :) [18:21] anywhere yeah [18:22] if only i could find a cheap barebone company with such machines.. [18:31] * daftykins debates skipping a second CD set of a same opera by a different orchestra [18:33] :p [19:03] lotuspsychje: " grrfrf: ask your question to the channel please "; Watching TJ- 's back :) [19:04] :p [19:04] not everyone can be 24/7 support right [19:04] :D [19:05] i was frowning at that user picking on him :> [19:05] gotta feed the dogs sometimes . [19:06] :) [19:06] lotuspsychje: my dead hard disk senses are tingling... [19:06] :p [19:07] IIRC swap not beiing used .. [19:07]