[02:22] <diddledan_> does anyone know of any write-up as to the thinking behind ubuntu moving to qt?
[02:23] <diddledan_> i.e. for unity8
[02:23] <diddledan_> and phone/converged apps
[02:27] <zmoylan-pi> well qt has a long history of been solid and reliable, no?
[02:27] <diddledan_> well yes, but I want a more thought-out answer than that :-p
[02:27] <zmoylan-pi> ok.... just because :-)
[02:28] <diddledan_> hence why I asked for a write-up that I can study :-)
[02:29] <diddledan_> ideally I'd like a breakdown as to what qt provides that "insert random toolkit here" doesn't
[02:29] <zmoylan-pi> is there ever a well explained reason for the decisions made by ubuntu team?
[02:29] <diddledan_> lol
[02:30] <diddledan_> I'm wondering if it's a simple as licensing
[02:31] <xnox> diddledan_, at the time, qt/qml was the only touch friendly and resolution independant toolkit.
[02:32] <xnox> in to some degree remains as such.
[02:32] <diddledan_> hmm
[02:32] <xnox> jolla uses it too
[02:32] <xnox> ditto webOS
[02:35] <diddledan_> is the units.gu thingy in qml an ubuntuism?
[02:35] <diddledan_> I can't find very much info about it
[02:36] <diddledan_> other than ubuntu guides saying "use gu"
[02:37] <diddledan_> I guess I should join #ubuntu-app-dev
[02:37] <diddledan_> (or is there an S on app?)
[02:37]  * diddledan_ runs /list
[02:39] <diddledan_> hmm, neither?
[02:39] <diddledan_> where's that gone?
[02:43] <xnox> gu - is a fixed, resolution independant unit, which relates to the ubuntu grid & app layout & text/font.
[02:44] <xnox> unlike all other mobile platforms, ubuntu phones actually have a regular sized and consistent everything.
[02:44] <diddledan_> aha
[02:44] <diddledan_> danke
[03:22] <diddledan_> hmm. ubuntu sdk seems to dislike ecryptfs encrypted home directory
[03:22] <diddledan_> keeps unmounting it
[03:23] <diddledan_> it might be click rather than the ide itsel
[03:23] <diddledan_> itself
[03:51] <m0nkey_> diddledan_, your plex broke. tried to watch Ep4.
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy birthday to UNICEF! 😃
[10:24] <MooDoo> morning james
[10:24] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[10:26] <JamesTait> 👋 MooDoo
[10:32] <MooDoo> :)
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:59] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon hope you're well
[11:00] <brobostigon> MooDoo: other than my eczema, not bad, and you?
[11:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: so still not the uk bans trump day 515,299 and counting
[11:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TlFjZXcZro
[11:05] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yeah ok thanks, glad it's friday
[11:06] <brobostigon> :)
[11:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: You're only glad it's friday because it means it is nearly Monday again admit it you workaholic ;)
[11:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: I've a weekend helping looking after 10/15 beaver scouts, so roll on monday
[11:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: see I know you too well, I know you love Mondays ;)
[11:54] <MooDoo> It's a nother day :)
[12:29] <daftykins> hi all o/
[12:56] <MooDoo> howdy daftykins
[12:57] <daftykins> aaah solid rain here on the rock
[12:57] <davmor2> so it official twice as many people are opposed to trump coming into the country as they accepting more immigrants I think that says a lot really
[12:58] <foobarry> it says that twitter liberals are not in fact liberal
[13:17] <ali1234> but we already knew that
[13:19] <ali1234> they're not exclusively on twitter either
[13:54] <MooDoo> 4 months off being a 10 year registered on launchpad user :)
[13:54] <MooDoo> is there a group for that? lol
[13:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: 2005-09-12 is when I joined LP
[13:59] <MooDoo> nice i suspect a lot of us oldies are around 05/06
[14:02] <bashrc_> member since 2007. I havn't done much in LP for a while, being mostly a git user
[14:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah not sure when LP was actually opened
[14:19] <diddledan_> merry christmas - my boss doesn't have enough work longterm so he's told me to start looking for work elsewhere
[14:19] <diddledan_> \o/
[14:20]  * diddledan_ goes "proper" freelance
[14:21] <davmor2> diddledan_: that or he means you're fired ;)
[14:21] <MooDoo> diddledan_: well that sucks :(
[14:22] <diddledan_> MooDoo: ho hum :-/
[14:22] <davmor2> diddledan_: chin up chap at least you are good enough to get some more work fairly quickly
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, I hear this bloke Trump will be available for work soon...
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> maybe you could use Trump Employment Services [guarenteed open minded thinking]
[14:23] <diddledan_> lol
[14:23] <diddledan_> is it called that because I trump everyone else and win the job by "de fault"
[14:24] <SuperEngineer> derrr...
[14:24] <diddledan_> my favourite two words, those, de fault
[14:24] <diddledan_> I like when people say "well I guess you win by de fault"
[14:25] <diddledan_> ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvIISDoarU
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> poor ol De Fault, always getting the blame!
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> no no de blame gets de blame...
[15:18] <davmor2> and everyone fires at Will he's the one we should really feel sorry for
[15:18] <MooDoo> lol
[15:27] <bashrc_> diddledan_: that sounds like bad news
[15:43] <davmor2> bashrc_: no that's the wrong view on life, it means he has the potential to make more money \o/
[15:51] <bashrc_> well perhaps, depends how it goes
[15:54] <davmor2> bashrc_: again with the pessimism, way to bolster diddledan_ confidence :P
[15:56] <zmoylan-pi> always with the negative waves moriarity... :-)
[15:57] <SuperEngineer> Can you drive diddledan?  I know a few people looking for a driver for some "one off jobs, ability to drive at speed preferred, ability to keep secrets afterwards essential"
[15:59] <SuperEngineer> ..& yes, you guessed... it's being a chauffeur for FIFA president!  ;-)
[16:02] <diddledan_> I can't drive :-(
[16:03] <SuperEngineer> that could be a "slight" problem ;-)
[16:03] <davmor2> diddledan_: can you rikshaw at speed?
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> lol
[16:04] <Myrtti> I'm sure Blatter wouldn't notice the missing attributes if you shove a bit of money his way
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> lol x 2
[16:04] <Myrtti> learn on the job and all that
[16:05] <Myrtti> after a while you'll be rolling in money
[16:05] <diddledan_> isn't the money supposed to be flowing into my pockets, not the other way about?!
[16:05] <Myrtti> a bit of investment is needed first
[16:05] <davmor2> diddledan_: you can syphon more off the payouts than you'll lose initially ;)
[16:06] <Myrtti> you can start by sending some to SuperEngineer's account, for his expenses you know, after that you'll get your job and profit
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti, definitely agrred on *your* plan!
[16:08] <Myrtti> GREETINGS MR. DIDDLEDAN, I AM SUPERENGINEER, A REPRESENTATIVE OF SEP BLATTER, AND I HOPE YOU ARE WELL, BROTHER
[16:08] <Myrtti> I wonder if there are 419 generators
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> send 1 dollar to happy dude...
[16:08] <daftykins> :O i had to double take
[16:08] <SuperEngineer> In fact, if you *all* sent me some money...
[16:08] <Myrtti> http://www.scamgen.com/
[16:09] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: you'd have money? :)
[16:09] <diddledan_> mmm, money
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> hmmmm??? that *could* be result, yes.  I was thinking more along the lines of making people feel good.  There was nothing else on my mind whatsover
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> except for finding a cure for my nose... which is growing longer as I speak
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> that's a lie...
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> oh wait...
[16:18] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> Anybody here follow Bad Voltage?  It seems to be in a "spot of bother" at the mo... all links failing!
[16:29] <bittin_US> i do
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> bittin_US, can you contact a podcast feed at all?  id web site slow/stopped for you?
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> *is
[16:35] <bittin_US> havent checked busy with other stuff atm
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> tut tut ;-)
[17:06] <Myrtti> https://imgur.com/gallery/TrN2oW9
[17:09]  * zmoylan-pi suspects it's better without sound... :-)
[17:10] <Myrtti> he's pretty good tho
[17:10] <Myrtti> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Hietala
[17:16] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: newp ;x
[17:17] <daftykins> it just becomes a mystery!
[21:24] <m0nkey_> Evening all
[23:42] <diddledan_> css and javascript in the same file?! http://codepen.io/geelen/pen/VLbpXw