[03:32] <Darkwing> Long time no chat mates
[10:19] <tsdgeos> in case anyone cares, i had to uninstall sddm from xenial since it was basically not working (switching to black every other second), lightdm works fine
[10:19] <tsdgeos> may need a rebuild because of the latest qt landings (uneducated guess)
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:18] <Yossarianuk> mgraesslin: interesting post regarding future desktop gaming - thanks -> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/12/gaming-on-linux-move-to-next-generation/
[14:29] <Yossarianuk> [14:22] <Yossarianuk> 
[14:29] <Yossarianuk> whoops
[14:29] <Yossarianuk> to prove your point Civ5 crashes if I alt+tab out the game (on nvidia)
[14:36] <yofel> many games do that when you alt+tab in fullscreen mode, which is why I only play games where I plan to do that in windowed mode. With the described performance penalty sadly.
[14:44] <Yossarianuk> its odd really as when I first played Civ5 on Linux it worked fine.  This would have been on an older version of the nvidia driver/xorg version , etc.. Its not KDE related though - happens on other DE's too.
[15:14] <yofel> *sigh*, ever since I upgraded my server to wily, quasselcore crashes several times per day and gets stuck before it can respawn
[15:44] <yofel> lets see if Qt5.5 helps
[15:49] <soee> hiho
[16:01] <sgclark> hello
[16:07] <soee> frameworks 5.17 have been released :)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> to where?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> soee, ^'
[16:10] <soee> BluesKaj: just released by devs https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.17.0.php :-)
[16:11] <sgclark> yofel: so I ran into a corner case with our scripts... two new frameworks breeze-icons and oxygen-icons5 have epochs. I hacked my way around, but I cannot commit - no rights. Probably needs a better solution anyway.
[16:11] <soee> yofel: are there any plans to add this year new frameworks or plasma in xenial/wily ?
[16:11] <sgclark> soee: I am working on them nowl..................
[16:11] <sgclark> yofel: so I ran into a corner case with our scripts... two new frameworks breeze-icons and oxygen-icons5 have epochs. I hacked my way around, but I cannot commit - no rights. Probably needs a better solution anyway.
[16:11] <sgclark> sorry
[16:12] <soee> ha ok :)
[16:12] <sgclark> but I travel back home tomorrow so any help would be lovely
[16:12] <yofel> huh?
[16:12]  * yofel looks
[16:13] <yofel> wait, why is "breeze-icons" a framework?!?
[16:13] <sgclark> ask kde?
[16:13] <sgclark> so is oxygen-icons5
[16:14] <yofel> nah, too much effort for nothing. I shouldn't even be surprised as I've given up understanding upstream decisions a long time ago
[16:14] <soee> they wer moved to frameworks like few weeks ago i think
[16:14] <soee> i think to provide updates every month not with each plasma release
[16:14] <yofel> sgclark: what's the permission issue exactly?
[16:15] <yofel> also: where does that epoch come from?
[16:15] <sgclark> denied or rejected or some such. dunno it was late last night.
[16:15] <sgclark> yofel: Riddell
[16:15] <yofel> SIGH
[16:16] <yofel> hm, sitter was getting connection errors from moszumanska today
[16:16] <yofel> maybe related
[16:16] <sgclark> ok
[16:16] <yofel> ah, the binaries have epochs. That's ok then
[16:17] <yofel> they just need to be added to the packages-with-epoch list
[16:17] <sgclark> I tried that
[16:17] <sgclark> did nothing
[16:17] <sgclark> because you have an if statement on top setting frameworks to ""
[16:17] <sgclark> I moved it down and did an if else
[16:18] <sgclark> which worked for the two icons packages.
[16:18] <yofel>     if releaseType == "plasma" or releaseType == "applications":
[16:18] <yofel>        changelogEpoch = epoch if package in packagesWithEpoch else ""
[16:18] <yofel> that if looks very out of place
[16:19] <yofel> TBH, I wouldn't do an initial release of a source with the scripts at all
[16:19] <yofel> that's not something they were written for
[16:19] <sgclark> huh?
[16:20] <sgclark> I can't keep up as it is and now you want me to do all packages by hand first? LOL
[16:20] <yofel> i mean: run script for the old set of sources, once done add the new ones to the list and do them by hand.
[16:20] <yofel> there is no way to "update" an "initial release" of a source
[16:21] <yofel> so the scripts will probably Do The Wrong Thing
[16:21] <sgclark> oh I am doing oxygen-icons5 by hand
[16:21] <sgclark> it needs to be moved to frameworks as well.
[16:21] <sgclark> but the rest I can do via script.. right?
[16:21]  * sgclark faints if not
[16:22] <yofel> back to the epoch: do you want to fix the epoch whitelisting to include frameworks or should I?
[16:22] <sgclark> I can, but not today, last day with family, traveling home tomorrow
[16:22] <yofel> then lets see who gets to it first
[16:22] <sgclark> ok
[16:23] <yofel> the script should work fine for the rest of the packages, just don't include the 2 new ones in the package list
[16:23] <sgclark> most of the packages are building in staging. I am working on manuals now which include those.
[16:31] <clivejo> sgclark: is the status page working?
[16:32] <yofel> clivejo: I'm just fixing that
[16:32] <clivejo> yofel: :)
[16:32] <sgclark> yofel: thanks
[16:32] <yofel> pushed, should be there in a couple mins
[16:33] <clivejo> what version is it?
[16:33] <yofel> 5.17
[16:33] <clivejo> we skip .16 ?
[16:33] <yofel> yep
[16:38] <clivejo> is qt5.5 fixed now?
[16:38] <yofel> I don't know what was broken, but it's in xenial release
[16:38] <yofel> some plasma 5.4.3 pieces are still stuck in -proposed
[16:40] <clivejo> yofel: link on qa appears to be broken - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.17.0_xenial.html.new
[16:40] <clivejo> why the .new ?
[16:40] <sgclark> clivejo: it has not populated yet
[16:41] <yofel> that's not broken, that's the tmp file while it's generating
[16:41] <clivejo> oh ok
[16:41] <yofel> (that actually takes a while, which is why this is a cronjob, and not just a CGI script)
[16:41]  * clivejo waits some more
[16:42] <sgclark> and as far as skipping .16 , I am still buried in debian merges, loss in family, I simply cannot keep up. With holidays coming up, I see no improvements any time soon.
[16:44] <yofel> I was actually thinking about doing the page non-cronned. You could implement that as a fully client-side angular app or so, but that would be a) still slow, b) crazy ^^
[16:49] <clivejo> networkmanager-qt needs symbols looked at
[16:54] <sgclark> it needs the new networkmanager
[16:54] <sgclark> which needs a debian merge
[16:54] <sgclark> doubt I will get to that in the next few days
[16:55] <clivejo> any documents/how-to's for doing a debian merge?
[16:56] <yofel> the short guide: run diff against debian and ubuntu package, take the vanilla debian package, look at what changes are relevant in the diff, apply those to debian package
[16:56] <yofel> the actual procedure depends on the package
[16:57] <clivejo> Id need a few runs though I think
[16:58] <sgclark> clivejo: the kde packages are much easier, checkout kubuntu_unstable git merge master and then fix the conflicts and push. All of applications still need doing if you want to help... :)
[16:58] <yofel> sgclark: I don't see any NM requirement that failed in the log?
[16:58] <yofel> and that's not something we maintain either
[16:59] <yofel> this just looks like plain broken ABI (haven't checked the function visibility)
[16:59] <sgclark> yofel: those symbols are from the newest NM. debian has the new NM and we don't, yes I am aware that is something we do not maintain, but a good practice for obtaining core
[17:00] <yofel> ah ok
[17:00] <sgclark> yofel: I have already researched and verified by ScottK
[17:00] <yofel> thanks
[17:12] <yofel> sgclark: I just removed the epoch special-handling for frameworks from staging-upload. That's code that I forgot to remove when I reversed the epoch handling and was practically a noop since then
[17:12] <sgclark> yofel: thanks!
[19:37] <clivejo> santa_ !!!!
[19:38] <clivejo> you're alive!
[19:40] <santa_> yes
[19:41] <clivejo> havent seen you in weeks!
[19:41] <santa_> yes
[19:41] <clivejo> what you been up to?
[19:42] <santa_> nothing special, personal life and such
[19:43] <santa_> I guess I will try to resume my kubuntu's stuff
[20:34] <clivejo> yofel: would you be free to give me a quick step by step tutorial on merging a package?
[20:35] <clivejo> if we pick one and do it together?
[20:45] <clivejo> sgclark: or you ? ^^
[20:51] <sgclark> clivejo: last day with my family :( can't till tomorrow night. But will then if yofel can't
[21:00] <soee> sgclark: hows the work on KF5.17 going ?
[21:01] <clivejo> soee: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.17.0_xenial.html
[21:01] <clivejo> few problems!
[21:01] <soee> ah, cool that we have status page:)
[21:11] <clivejo> what is wrong with this build - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230011318/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kinit_5.17.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:11] <clivejo> why is it removing everything?!?