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pittiGood morning05:49
hikikoHello05:51
darkxsthey pitti hikiko05:52
darkxstpitti, can you hint ubuntu-gnome-meta through proposed, its blocked on s390x being uninstallable05:53
pittihey darkxst05:54
pittidarkxst: will have a look, yes05:54
darkxstpermanently if possible? I really don't think it seems like something we would ever support!05:55
darkxstpitti, thanks05:57
didrocksgood morning06:03
hikikoHey didrocks pitti darkxst06:05
didrockshey hikiko06:06
darkxsthey didrocks06:06
didrocksgood evening darkxst06:08
darkxstnot so much, the start of another heat wave by the looks of it ;(06:11
didrocksargh, here winter (or rather late fall) is definitively here06:12
pittibonjour didrocks !06:15
pittidarkxst: hm, I actually don't know how to hint over uninstallability; Laney, can you teach me?06:16
didrocksbonjour pitti !06:19
didrocksbon week-end ?06:20
pittididrocks: oui, mais beaucoup de travailler :)06:20
pittididrocks: on fait le menage, beaucoup de biscuits (qui met 7 heures..), et quelques autres choses avant les vacances de Noël06:22
pittididrocks: et toi ?06:22
didrockspitti: beaucoup plus calme pour moi :) on est sorti voir des amis le samedi, et dimanche, voté, puis resté à la maison (j'ai fini à nouveau "the last of us")06:22
seb128good morning desktopers07:19
didrocksmorning seb12807:20
seb128re didrocks ;-)07:21
seb128didrocks, thanks for the geonames MIR review07:33
seb128larsu proposed the changes for u-c-c on friday, which means we can land that today ;-)07:33
didrocksseb128: yw!07:35
didrocksnice :)07:35
larsuhappy Monday!08:09
larsuhi pitti seb128 and didrocks? How were your weekends?08:09
seb128hey larsu08:10
seb128"ok"08:10
seb128I got a cold on thursday and so, and it got worth08:11
larsuoh sorry to hear :( Get better!08:11
seb128like blocked nose, headache, fever08:11
seb128thanks08:11
larsuwhy are you working then?08:11
larsuget to bed!08:11
seb128I think I'm over the main part08:11
seb128well, that was yesterday08:11
seb128today the fever is gone and I start feeling better08:12
larsuah, ok. Left the bad parts of the cold for your free days, eh?08:12
seb128also doing IRC from the couch in pyjama in not really exausting ;-)08:12
didrocksgood morning larsu, my week-end was good! went to see friends and played/finishes some video games08:12
seb128yeah :-/08:12
larsuhaha08:12
seb128also better to have the cold now than during holidays08:12
larsuindeed!08:12
larsuI think I might have one as well (Faina just had one and I'm feeling an itch in my throat)08:13
seb128oh, take it easy!08:14
larsuit's not bad at all yet - I even went to the gym just now and was fine08:15
pittihey larsu and seb128 !08:15
pittiseb128: uh, get well soon! *hug*08:15
seb128I did some mistakes on this one, I helped friends to carry firewood on friday08:15
seb128and I went to a special tennis mixed group event saturday afternoon08:16
pittilarsu: quite busy indeed! we cleaned the appartment, spent 7 hours on baking "Plaetzchen" (Christmas cookies), and some other xmas prep08:16
seb128(I only had the nose blocked by then and I though that would be ok, but rest would probably have been smarter)08:16
seb128hey pitti, merci08:16
* seb128 hugs pitti08:16
didrocksstricking news *hundreds of people infected in north of Europe*08:17
didrocks:)08:17
* pitti chuckles about didrocks' typo, it actually makes sense in German (stricking == knitting)08:18
pittiand indeed that has become quite popular again :)08:18
larsupitti: Plätzchen!!!08:20
larsuyummie08:20
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willcookemorning all08:57
didrockshey willcooke08:57
Laneyhey hey09:03
willcookemorning Laney09:03
willcookeit's so dark today I have to have the lights on during the day :(09:03
willcookestill, only another week and a bit until the winter equinox09:04
Laneymmm, pretty grey out there09:05
didrocksgood morning Laney, had a nice long week-end?09:06
didrockswillcooke: man, move a nice country, where we had sun and blue sky :)09:06
willcooke:'(09:06
willcookedidrocks, don't supposed you're interested in doing a house swap this summer? ;)09:07
didrockswillcooke: haha, let's see, only if you can garantuee 100% sun :)09:08
willcookeI can 100% not guarantee that09:08
didrocks;)09:08
seb128hey willcooke Laney, how are you?09:10
willcookemorning seb12809:10
Laneypitti: you probably want to make it not build the uninstallable package09:10
Laneyand hi09:10
Laneyhey didrocks and seb128!09:10
LaneyI got like 2 items of christmas shopping...09:11
Laneybut otherwise it was nice seeing family and friends, had a christmas meal yesterday09:11
Laneyand decorated the tree09:11
seb128nice09:11
Laneythe shop sold me a quite eccentric one09:11
Laneyso it looks funny but i quite likt that09:12
Laneywhat about you?09:12
seb128got a cold, spent sunday on a couch with blankets and fever :-/09:12
seb128I start being a bit better today09:13
willcooke:( feel better seb12809:13
seb128thanks09:13
Laneyoh no09:13
seb128better now than during holidays ;-)09:14
seb128why is britney blocking compiz? it has some uninstallability on s390 but I doubt it's coming from the update09:14
Laneythat needs fixing09:16
seb128what needs fixing?09:16
seb128britney?09:16
Laneyno09:16
Laneycompiz09:16
seb128well, the update is not making anything worth09:17
seb128it should be blocked09:17
seb128"fixing" compiz has a long chain09:17
Laneyit is going to make an uninstallable package which britney won't do09:17
seb128going to libindicator which is not building on s390 yet because it needs mono09:17
seb128that package is already uninstallable09:17
seb128no?09:17
seb128it basically goes down to s390 being incomplete atm09:18
Laneythen go talk to adam about changing britney to allow this09:18
Laneybut as it stands it needs to be fixed09:18
seb128or s390 needs to be removed from the compiz archs :p09:18
Laneythat would count as a fix09:18
seb128that would solve the installability issue09:18
seb128I wonder if we should do that09:19
seb128I'm not going to fix mono on s39009:19
seb128xnox ^ do you know if anybody is working on that?09:19
TrevinhoMorning folks09:20
seb128hey Trevinho! how are you?09:21
seb128oh, seems like xnox did build mono on s390 yesterday09:22
* seb128 retries libindicator09:22
seb128libappindicator rather09:23
didrocksmorning Trevinho09:23
seb128no, mono not installable09:24
seb128do we have porter s390 machines?09:24
seb128or boxes we can use to debug installability issues09:25
* seb128 retries gtk-sharp build09:26
seb128no :-(09:27
Laneyon snakefruit there is a chdist that you can use09:27
seb128thanks09:27
Laneyseems to work though09:27
seb128what? mono?09:28
Laneyapt-get build-dep libappindicator09:28
seb128I'm trying to understand https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229872115/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.gtk-sharp2_2.12.10-5.1_BUILDING.txt.gz09:28
seb128libappindicator is unhappy because libgtk2.0-cil-dev can't be installed09:29
seb128https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229960923/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.libappindicator_12.10.1%2B15.04.20141110-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz09:29
seb128Laney, how does that chdist work?09:30
Laneychdist apt-get xenial-proposed-s390x --dry-run build-dep libappindicator09:31
Laneyas the ubuntu-archive user09:31
seb128thanks09:34
seb128so I guess it's a component mismatch issue09:35
Laneyor the bootstrap archive09:35
* seb128 checks where mono binaries have been sent09:35
seb128hum, rmadison doesn't know about s39009:37
seb128Laney, or is that chdist using the special bootstrap archive where the builders are not?09:46
Laneythe other way around09:46
TrevinhoHi didrocks09:46
Laneybut I added it and don't see the problem still09:46
seb128hum, k09:46
seb128could be a component mismatch09:46
Laneyalso tried with removing universe09:46
TrevinhoHey seb128, better, but leaving London today :-(09:46
Laneyand rmadison does have s390x09:46
Trevinhoseb128: you?09:47
seb128Trevinho, having a cold, but I'm over the fewer and starting being better09:47
seb128Trevinho, had a fun w.e in London?09:47
seb128Laney, it doesn't for me, does it has a cache that can be stalled or something?09:47
Laneyno09:48
Laneyrmadison -a s390x -s xenial-proposed -S mono09:48
Laneyworks09:48
seb128$ rmadison -s xenial -a s390 -S mono09:48
seb128$09:48
Laneyx09:48
seb128or09:48
seb128proposed09:48
seb128DOH09:48
seb128thanks09:48
Laneyhehe09:48
seb128but no09:48
seb128oh, yes09:48
seb128and s390x09:48
seb128nothing seems wrong with the components there :-/09:49
Laneythis is odd09:51
Laneyalso my desktop's unity session didn't come up09:51
seb128:-(09:51
* Laney nooooo09:51
seb128Laney, can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/no-gcc-recommends/+merge/280179 ?09:52
seb128I added the correct recommends (I think at least)09:52
Laneyyep09:52
Laneythanks09:52
seb128thanks for spotting the error09:53
Laneyany time (H)09:56
didrockspitti: If you have any time/ideas on that topic, I'm quite stuck now on bug #1525841 (tried to describe all the testing and such)09:59
ubot5bug 1525841 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "xubuntu and lubuntu (maybe other flavors?) doesn't have plymouth text progress on live" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152584109:59
didrockspitti: unfortunately, plymouth debug mode doesn't help much :/09:59
pittididrocks: will look in a bit, currently stuck on something10:03
didrockssure10:03
seb128willcooke, btw unsure if you saw my request for review on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-themes/update-nautilus-theme/+merge/279468 / if you have any opinion on that10:08
Laneybah10:08
seb128Laney, did you figure it out?10:08
LaneyI don't get this libappindicator thing10:08
seb128:-(10:08
LaneyI stole one of the autopkgtest s390x machines10:08
Laneyubuntu@adt-xenial:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep libappindicator10:08
Laney...10:09
LaneyAfter this operation, 916 MB of additional disk space will be used.10:09
LaneyDo you want to continue? [Y/n]10:09
seb128that doesn't make much sense to me10:10
seb128libappindicator requires gtk-sharp210:10
seb128which never built on s390x10:10
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-sharp2/2.12.10-5.1/+build/837483210:10
seb128are you sure the official builders use that bootstrap archive?10:10
seb128though ^ should build, since mono is built for s390x in xenial-proposed10:11
seb128so unsure why those are not installable10:11
Laneycli-common-dev seems ok to me10:13
Laneywith or without bootstrap10:13
seb128is there any of your env where you could disable universe?10:14
seb128if things work then it has to be a component mismatch issue10:14
LaneyI did10:14
seb128:-(10:14
Laneysee what xnox has to say10:15
xnoxseb128, it's in -proposed at the moment10:40
seb128xnox, hey10:40
xnoxseb128, what's mismatched?10:40
xnoxyo ;-)10:40
seb128xnox, I don't know, I'm trying to understand https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229961165/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.gtk-sharp2_2.12.10-5.1_BUILDING.txt.gz10:41
seb128it's from an hour ago10:41
xnoxmono is in xenial-proposed only, that build record is for xenial-release only. We need mono tracker and transition mono first, before we can build all the mono on s390x.10:42
willcookeseb128, I'll give it a test10:43
seb128willcooke, thanks10:44
seb128oh right10:44
seb128or we need a no change upload of gtk-sharp210:44
willcookeseb128, seems I didnt get an email or any kind of notification about that review request though?10:44
seb128so it builds in proposed10:44
xnoxwhich is what my plan to work on today a bit was =)10:44
seb128willcooke, you should have, do you filter launchpad emails to a spam box?10:45
xnoxseb128, please don't do that it's much easier to just retrigger it in the release pocket.10:45
xnoxand makes mono transition bigger... and then trades things cross arch.10:45
seb128xnox, what is blocking mono to migrate?10:45
xnoxit's a transition10:45
xnoxseb128, similar to e.g. debian https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-mono.html10:45
xnoxwhich i am setting up for us.10:45
seb128k10:46
xnoxseb128, you can help, by removing obsolete and uninstallable packages though ;-)10:58
xnoxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-runcommand/+bug/152571610:58
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1525716 in plasma-widget-yawp (Ubuntu) "RM uninstallable, obsolete plasma4 only widget, not usable in plasma5" [Undecided,Confirmed]10:58
xnoxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber-service-sohu/+bug/152571810:58
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1525718 in gwibber-service-sohu (Ubuntu) "RM parent package gwibber (and friends) removed from the archive a long time ago" [Undecided,Confirmed]10:58
xnoxso plasma4 is gone, yet some of the widgets remain; gwibber is gone, yet some gwibber-service-* remain.10:58
seb128xnox, I can do that10:59
xnoxtah, that will lower uninstallable count across all arches, which is good.10:59
* larsu wonders if we have a garbage collector for such packages10:59
xnoxit's poor removal skills... e.g. when gwibber was removed, it's reverse deps & build-deps should have been removed too11:00
seb128yeah11:01
didrocksxnox: speaking of which, planning on working on the issues for the s390-* packages that were pre-promoted but doesn't apply to MIR requirements?11:02
didrocks(in case you didn't see my comments ;))11:02
xnoxdidrocks, i did see your comments.11:03
didrocksxnox: good, just ping me once the fixes will be in!11:03
Sweet5hark1willcooke: around?11:06
willcookeSweet5hark1, hi hi11:06
xnoxxnox> didrocks, i did see your comments.11:13
xnox<xnox> didrocks, planning to work on them. however not sure i'll get them done this week. And if i don't get them done this week, it will spill over to the next year.11:13
xnox<xnox> they are on my "todo" list -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=s390x11:13
xnox* xnox ponders if I lost the internetz11:13
didrocksxnox: you did!11:17
xnoxsigh, i forgot to push ben configs. i need more coffee...11:18
xnoxLaney, does transition tracker run every hour or every 15 minutes?11:18
Laneyevery minute if proposed has changed and it's not running11:20
Laneyiir11:20
Laneyc11:20
xnoxoh, cool.11:20
xnoxbut does proposed needs to move to get it to run at all?11:21
xnoxwell i just uploaded s390-tools that should do it.11:21
Laneyyeah11:22
Laneyyou can already start if you look at update_output11:22
xnoxi know... i'm being lazy =)11:27
* Laney fixes dbus-sharp ftbfs11:50
Laney(maybe)11:50
seb128didrocks, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/15.04.0+16.04.20151214-0ubuntu1 if you want to promoted the geonames binaries11:51
didrocksseb128: done!11:58
seb128didrocks, thanks!11:58
didrocksyw12:00
willcookeTrevinho, before you leave London today, if you have time, could you speak to Mathieu James about getting:  1) a new eject icon 2) a new Bluetooth icon set 3) your svn/png request 4) a new "+" icon for creating new tabs in Terminal?12:42
willcooke(as per our meeting last week with design)12:42
willcooke((just going trough the notes))12:42
seb128willcooke, one week we forgot in london than I wanted to ask design what nautilus icons12:44
seb128they are big in xenial12:44
seb128we should maybe lower that12:44
willcookeseb128, yeah, agreed.  We can just make them smaller and I will send digitalalex a screenshot for approval12:44
willcookeseems like a"no-brainer" to me12:45
seb128do we just want to put the default to the smallest value?12:45
seb128is that small enough?12:45
seb128or do we want to change the scale/how12:45
seb128like an extra value smaller and keep the current set otherwise?12:46
didrockssounds the safest bet (and back to where we were)12:46
didrocksand yeah, +1 for that change the sooner, the better12:46
didrocks(making hard to use nautilus everyday)12:46
seb128didrocks, adding an extra smaller value?12:46
seb128or just changing the default?12:47
seb128or both?12:47
seb128I talked a bit to upstream about it12:47
didrockschanging the default IMHO, we were scaling them back before, right?12:47
seb128we had more zoom levels before12:47
seb128you could go quite small12:47
seb128issue said that one issue they have is that they said their canvas sucks12:47
seb128so the spacing/padding is not smart enough to look good at all zoom levels12:48
seb128that's why they limit it12:48
didrockswell, that doesn't prevent to have a "sane" default :p12:48
didrockswhich isn't the current one12:48
seb128I'm going to experiment a bit, at least lower the default from one step and maybe add a 48px value if that doesn't looks too buggy12:48
didrocksyeah12:48
seb128right12:48
seb128didrocks, willcooke, thanks for the feedback12:48
didrocksFWIW 48px is "okish" IMHO12:48
didrocksbut still just a little bit too big for my taste12:49
didrocks(but I could bear with it)12:49
seb128the current set is 64/96/12812:49
seb12864 is a bit big to my taste as well12:49
seb128I'm going to get at least 48 back12:49
didrocksah, sorry, I thought *that* was 6412:49
didrocksyeah12:50
seb128pitti, did the way journald works changed in xenial?12:53
seb128I get those in syslog when I open a guest session12:53
seb128apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="/usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-guest-session" name="/run/systemd/journal/stdout" pid=13907 comm="dbus-daemon" requested_mask="w" denied_mask="w" fsuid=993 ouid=012:53
seb128I guess the guest session profile needs an update12:53
pittiseb128: there's been a few bug fixes, but no structural change12:53
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pittiright, I guess so12:54
seb128but I didn't remember seeing those on wily12:54
seb128pitti, thanks12:54
xnoxseb128, libindicate uses obsolete build-dep. I fixed that. Now it seems to have a generic too-much-Wall-Werror-build-failure can somebody take a look at it?12:55
seb128xnox, I can12:55
xnoxthank you =)12:55
seb128yw:12:55
seb128yw!12:55
xnoxhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindicate/12.10.1-0ubuntu412:55
xnoxi'm not happy with the new mono by the way... loads of things FTBFS: https://launchpad.net/~xnox/+archive/ubuntu/nonvirt/+packages12:56
xnoxand the tracker is crap too. I shall design a better one.12:56
Laneythere are some removals to be done there12:57
seb128I removed clutter-sharp as it was removed in Debian12:59
xnoxlooks like loads of things use "old" 2.0/4.0 "abis" yet only 4.5 is available now.13:00
xnoxso things were bitrotting.13:01
Laneyboo13:02
Laneytomboy-blogposter seems crufty13:02
Laneyampsharp has a removal bug13:02
* xnox is rebuilding tomboy, as that is not installable...13:02
Laneygnome-desktop-sharp213:02
* xnox thinks we should keep tomboy....13:02
xnoxgnome-desktop-sharp2 is good13:02
xnox(arm64 has always failed, the rest built)13:03
Laneymummy13:03
LaneyI said tomboy-blogposter13:03
Laneygnome-desktop-sharp2 is removed from debian.13:03
xnoxwhat's up with mono-addins? a generic build-failure or should things migrate to something else?13:03
Laneyndesk-dbus13:04
xnoxLaney, tomboy-blogposter -> it was never in debian no?13:04
xnox(and i think we can fix it)13:05
Laneywho cares about carrying random ancient cruft around?13:05
Laneybut if you want to spend your time doing that, go nuts13:05
* xnox thought tomboy was a flagship app...13:05
Laneydoesn't mean that every addon for it is flagship does it13:06
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Laneylllllllllllunchhhhhhhhhhh13:40
seb128Laney, enjoy!13:40
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seb128happyaron, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1509829 ?14:40
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1509829 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm-guest-session profile is too strict to input Japanese text with fcitx-mozc" [High,Triaged]14:40
* xnox ponders if i should upload things when i have no idea what i am doing14:52
* xnox is hacking mono / C# project files.14:52
Laneyumm14:56
Laneygo to #debian-cli?14:56
xnoxsent bug report, pasted to #debian-cli15:01
xnoxwill upload into ubuntu for now, and if things are terribly broken, i'm sorry for all c# users =) but i think it's mostly harmless change anyway.15:01
xnoxLaney, http://paste.debian.net/344421/ to fix https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=80791515:01
ubot5Debian bug 807915 in src:mono-addins "mono-addins: FTBFS with new mono, upgrade to 1.2 release?" [Serious,Open]15:01
Laneyyou could wait like a few minutes for directhex to reply15:02
Laneyit's what I did for dbus-sharp though15:02
Laneyif acked you could even upload to debian...15:02
xnoxsound good.15:03
* xnox ponders if there is a compiler way to enforce target framework.15:03
happyaronseb128: yes I just read that in email15:26
seb128happyaron, hey! thanks ;-)15:26
seb128larsu, can you comment/reply to mterry on bug #1525156?16:10
ubot5bug 1525156 in geonames (Ubuntu) "[MIR] geonames" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152515616:10
seb128larsu, how is the nautilus menubar going btw? still working on that?16:23
didrocksargh, failures in tests after merging contributor's branch :/16:34
didrocks(large ones)16:34
* didrocks fixes16:34
* didrocks waves good evening! See you tomorrow guys.16:59
didrocksseb128: get better! :)16:59
seb128didrocks, thanks16:59
seb128have a nice evening didrocks!16:59
didrocksthanks ;)16:59
seb128Laney, thanks for doing the ligdata update ;-)17:06
Laneynp17:06
* Laney warps across IRC17:06
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larsuseb128: sure can do18:05
seb128larsu, danke18:05
Laneyright, see you!18:15
seb128Laney, have a good evening!18:15
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mterrylarsu, so I commented back about geonames.  maybe IRC would be a faster dialog though19:07
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willcookeg'night all20:48

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