=== maclin1 is now known as maclin [05:49] Good morning [05:51] Hello [05:52] hey pitti hikiko [05:53] pitti, can you hint ubuntu-gnome-meta through proposed, its blocked on s390x being uninstallable [05:54] hey darkxst [05:54] darkxst: will have a look, yes [05:55] permanently if possible? I really don't think it seems like something we would ever support! [05:57] pitti, thanks [06:03] good morning [06:05] Hey didrocks pitti darkxst [06:06] hey hikiko [06:06] hey didrocks [06:08] good evening darkxst [06:11] not so much, the start of another heat wave by the looks of it ;( [06:12] argh, here winter (or rather late fall) is definitively here [06:15] bonjour didrocks ! [06:16] darkxst: hm, I actually don't know how to hint over uninstallability; Laney, can you teach me? [06:19] bonjour pitti ! [06:20] bon week-end ? [06:20] didrocks: oui, mais beaucoup de travailler :) [06:22] didrocks: on fait le menage, beaucoup de biscuits (qui met 7 heures..), et quelques autres choses avant les vacances de Noël [06:22] didrocks: et toi ? [06:22] pitti: beaucoup plus calme pour moi :) on est sorti voir des amis le samedi, et dimanche, voté, puis resté à la maison (j'ai fini à nouveau "the last of us") [07:19] good morning desktopers [07:20] morning seb128 [07:21] re didrocks ;-) [07:33] didrocks, thanks for the geonames MIR review [07:33] larsu proposed the changes for u-c-c on friday, which means we can land that today ;-) [07:35] seb128: yw! [07:35] nice :) [08:09] happy Monday! [08:09] hi pitti seb128 and didrocks? How were your weekends? [08:10] hey larsu [08:10] "ok" [08:11] I got a cold on thursday and so, and it got worth [08:11] oh sorry to hear :( Get better! [08:11] like blocked nose, headache, fever [08:11] thanks [08:11] why are you working then? [08:11] get to bed! [08:11] I think I'm over the main part [08:11] well, that was yesterday [08:12] today the fever is gone and I start feeling better [08:12] ah, ok. Left the bad parts of the cold for your free days, eh? [08:12] also doing IRC from the couch in pyjama in not really exausting ;-) [08:12] good morning larsu, my week-end was good! went to see friends and played/finishes some video games [08:12] yeah :-/ [08:12] haha [08:12] also better to have the cold now than during holidays [08:12] indeed! [08:13] I think I might have one as well (Faina just had one and I'm feeling an itch in my throat) [08:14] oh, take it easy! [08:15] it's not bad at all yet - I even went to the gym just now and was fine [08:15] hey larsu and seb128 ! [08:15] seb128: uh, get well soon! *hug* [08:15] I did some mistakes on this one, I helped friends to carry firewood on friday [08:16] and I went to a special tennis mixed group event saturday afternoon [08:16] larsu: quite busy indeed! we cleaned the appartment, spent 7 hours on baking "Plaetzchen" (Christmas cookies), and some other xmas prep [08:16] (I only had the nose blocked by then and I though that would be ok, but rest would probably have been smarter) [08:16] hey pitti, merci [08:16] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:17] stricking news *hundreds of people infected in north of Europe* [08:17] :) [08:18] * pitti chuckles about didrocks' typo, it actually makes sense in German (stricking == knitting) [08:18] and indeed that has become quite popular again :) [08:20] pitti: Plätzchen!!! [08:20] yummie === Mirv__ is now known as Mirv [08:57] morning all [08:57] hey willcooke [09:03] hey hey [09:03] morning Laney [09:03] it's so dark today I have to have the lights on during the day :( [09:04] still, only another week and a bit until the winter equinox [09:05] mmm, pretty grey out there [09:06] good morning Laney, had a nice long week-end? [09:06] willcooke: man, move a nice country, where we had sun and blue sky :) [09:06] :'( [09:07] didrocks, don't supposed you're interested in doing a house swap this summer? ;) [09:08] willcooke: haha, let's see, only if you can garantuee 100% sun :) [09:08] I can 100% not guarantee that [09:08] ;) [09:10] hey willcooke Laney, how are you? [09:10] morning seb128 [09:10] pitti: you probably want to make it not build the uninstallable package [09:10] and hi [09:10] hey didrocks and seb128! [09:11] I got like 2 items of christmas shopping... [09:11] but otherwise it was nice seeing family and friends, had a christmas meal yesterday [09:11] and decorated the tree [09:11] nice [09:11] the shop sold me a quite eccentric one [09:12] so it looks funny but i quite likt that [09:12] what about you? [09:12] got a cold, spent sunday on a couch with blankets and fever :-/ [09:13] I start being a bit better today [09:13] :( feel better seb128 [09:13] thanks [09:13] oh no [09:14] better now than during holidays ;-) [09:14] why is britney blocking compiz? it has some uninstallability on s390 but I doubt it's coming from the update [09:16] that needs fixing [09:16] what needs fixing? [09:16] britney? [09:16] no [09:16] compiz [09:17] well, the update is not making anything worth [09:17] it should be blocked [09:17] "fixing" compiz has a long chain [09:17] it is going to make an uninstallable package which britney won't do [09:17] going to libindicator which is not building on s390 yet because it needs mono [09:17] that package is already uninstallable [09:17] no? [09:18] it basically goes down to s390 being incomplete atm [09:18] then go talk to adam about changing britney to allow this [09:18] but as it stands it needs to be fixed [09:18] or s390 needs to be removed from the compiz archs :p [09:18] that would count as a fix [09:18] that would solve the installability issue [09:19] I wonder if we should do that [09:19] I'm not going to fix mono on s390 [09:19] xnox ^ do you know if anybody is working on that? [09:20] Morning folks [09:21] hey Trevinho! how are you? [09:22] oh, seems like xnox did build mono on s390 yesterday [09:22] * seb128 retries libindicator [09:23] libappindicator rather [09:23] morning Trevinho [09:24] no, mono not installable [09:24] do we have porter s390 machines? [09:25] or boxes we can use to debug installability issues [09:26] * seb128 retries gtk-sharp build [09:27] no :-( [09:27] on snakefruit there is a chdist that you can use [09:27] thanks [09:27] seems to work though [09:28] what? mono? [09:28] apt-get build-dep libappindicator [09:28] I'm trying to understand https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229872115/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.gtk-sharp2_2.12.10-5.1_BUILDING.txt.gz [09:29] libappindicator is unhappy because libgtk2.0-cil-dev can't be installed [09:29] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229960923/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.libappindicator_12.10.1%2B15.04.20141110-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz [09:30] Laney, how does that chdist work? [09:31] chdist apt-get xenial-proposed-s390x --dry-run build-dep libappindicator [09:31] as the ubuntu-archive user [09:34] thanks [09:35] so I guess it's a component mismatch issue [09:35] or the bootstrap archive [09:35] * seb128 checks where mono binaries have been sent [09:37] hum, rmadison doesn't know about s390 [09:46] Laney, or is that chdist using the special bootstrap archive where the builders are not? [09:46] the other way around [09:46] Hi didrocks [09:46] but I added it and don't see the problem still [09:46] hum, k [09:46] could be a component mismatch [09:46] also tried with removing universe [09:46] Hey seb128, better, but leaving London today :-( [09:46] and rmadison does have s390x [09:47] seb128: you? [09:47] Trevinho, having a cold, but I'm over the fewer and starting being better [09:47] Trevinho, had a fun w.e in London? [09:47] Laney, it doesn't for me, does it has a cache that can be stalled or something? [09:48] no [09:48] rmadison -a s390x -s xenial-proposed -S mono [09:48] works [09:48] $ rmadison -s xenial -a s390 -S mono [09:48] $ [09:48] x [09:48] or [09:48] proposed [09:48] DOH [09:48] thanks [09:48] hehe [09:48] but no [09:48] oh, yes [09:48] and s390x [09:49] nothing seems wrong with the components there :-/ [09:51] this is odd [09:51] also my desktop's unity session didn't come up [09:51] :-( [09:51] * Laney nooooo [09:52] Laney, can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/no-gcc-recommends/+merge/280179 ? [09:52] I added the correct recommends (I think at least) [09:52] yep [09:52] thanks [09:53] thanks for spotting the error [09:56] any time (H) [09:59] pitti: If you have any time/ideas on that topic, I'm quite stuck now on bug #1525841 (tried to describe all the testing and such) [09:59] bug 1525841 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "xubuntu and lubuntu (maybe other flavors?) doesn't have plymouth text progress on live" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525841 [09:59] pitti: unfortunately, plymouth debug mode doesn't help much :/ [10:03] didrocks: will look in a bit, currently stuck on something [10:03] sure [10:08] willcooke, btw unsure if you saw my request for review on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-themes/update-nautilus-theme/+merge/279468 / if you have any opinion on that [10:08] bah [10:08] Laney, did you figure it out? [10:08] I don't get this libappindicator thing [10:08] :-( [10:08] I stole one of the autopkgtest s390x machines [10:08] ubuntu@adt-xenial:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep libappindicator [10:09] ... [10:09] After this operation, 916 MB of additional disk space will be used. [10:09] Do you want to continue? [Y/n] [10:10] that doesn't make much sense to me [10:10] libappindicator requires gtk-sharp2 [10:10] which never built on s390x [10:10] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-sharp2/2.12.10-5.1/+build/8374832 [10:10] are you sure the official builders use that bootstrap archive? [10:11] though ^ should build, since mono is built for s390x in xenial-proposed [10:11] so unsure why those are not installable [10:13] cli-common-dev seems ok to me [10:13] with or without bootstrap [10:14] is there any of your env where you could disable universe? [10:14] if things work then it has to be a component mismatch issue [10:14] I did [10:14] :-( [10:15] see what xnox has to say [10:40] seb128, it's in -proposed at the moment [10:40] xnox, hey [10:40] seb128, what's mismatched? [10:40] yo ;-) [10:41] xnox, I don't know, I'm trying to understand https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229961165/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.gtk-sharp2_2.12.10-5.1_BUILDING.txt.gz [10:41] it's from an hour ago [10:42] mono is in xenial-proposed only, that build record is for xenial-release only. We need mono tracker and transition mono first, before we can build all the mono on s390x. [10:43] seb128, I'll give it a test [10:44] willcooke, thanks [10:44] oh right [10:44] or we need a no change upload of gtk-sharp2 [10:44] seb128, seems I didnt get an email or any kind of notification about that review request though? [10:44] so it builds in proposed [10:44] which is what my plan to work on today a bit was =) [10:45] willcooke, you should have, do you filter launchpad emails to a spam box? [10:45] seb128, please don't do that it's much easier to just retrigger it in the release pocket. [10:45] and makes mono transition bigger... and then trades things cross arch. [10:45] xnox, what is blocking mono to migrate? [10:45] it's a transition [10:45] seb128, similar to e.g. debian https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-mono.html [10:45] which i am setting up for us. [10:46] k [10:58] seb128, you can help, by removing obsolete and uninstallable packages though ;-) [10:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-runcommand/+bug/1525716 [10:58] Ubuntu bug 1525716 in plasma-widget-yawp (Ubuntu) "RM uninstallable, obsolete plasma4 only widget, not usable in plasma5" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber-service-sohu/+bug/1525718 [10:58] Ubuntu bug 1525718 in gwibber-service-sohu (Ubuntu) "RM parent package gwibber (and friends) removed from the archive a long time ago" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:58] so plasma4 is gone, yet some of the widgets remain; gwibber is gone, yet some gwibber-service-* remain. [10:59] xnox, I can do that [10:59] tah, that will lower uninstallable count across all arches, which is good. [10:59] * larsu wonders if we have a garbage collector for such packages [11:00] it's poor removal skills... e.g. when gwibber was removed, it's reverse deps & build-deps should have been removed too [11:01] yeah [11:02] xnox: speaking of which, planning on working on the issues for the s390-* packages that were pre-promoted but doesn't apply to MIR requirements? [11:02] (in case you didn't see my comments ;)) [11:03] didrocks, i did see your comments. [11:03] xnox: good, just ping me once the fixes will be in! [11:06] willcooke: around? [11:06] Sweet5hark1, hi hi [11:13] xnox> didrocks, i did see your comments. [11:13] didrocks, planning to work on them. however not sure i'll get them done this week. And if i don't get them done this week, it will spill over to the next year. [11:13] they are on my "todo" list -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=s390x [11:13] * xnox ponders if I lost the internetz [11:17] xnox: you did! [11:18] sigh, i forgot to push ben configs. i need more coffee... [11:18] Laney, does transition tracker run every hour or every 15 minutes? [11:20] every minute if proposed has changed and it's not running [11:20] iir [11:20] c [11:20] oh, cool. [11:21] but does proposed needs to move to get it to run at all? [11:21] well i just uploaded s390-tools that should do it. [11:22] yeah [11:22] you can already start if you look at update_output [11:27] i know... i'm being lazy =) [11:50] * Laney fixes dbus-sharp ftbfs [11:50] (maybe) [11:51] didrocks, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/15.04.0+16.04.20151214-0ubuntu1 if you want to promoted the geonames binaries [11:58] seb128: done! [11:58] didrocks, thanks! [12:00] yw [12:42] Trevinho, before you leave London today, if you have time, could you speak to Mathieu James about getting: 1) a new eject icon 2) a new Bluetooth icon set 3) your svn/png request 4) a new "+" icon for creating new tabs in Terminal? [12:42] (as per our meeting last week with design) [12:42] ((just going trough the notes)) [12:44] willcooke, one week we forgot in london than I wanted to ask design what nautilus icons [12:44] they are big in xenial [12:44] we should maybe lower that [12:44] seb128, yeah, agreed. We can just make them smaller and I will send digitalalex a screenshot for approval [12:45] seems like a"no-brainer" to me [12:45] do we just want to put the default to the smallest value? [12:45] is that small enough? [12:45] or do we want to change the scale/how [12:46] like an extra value smaller and keep the current set otherwise? [12:46] sounds the safest bet (and back to where we were) [12:46] and yeah, +1 for that change the sooner, the better [12:46] (making hard to use nautilus everyday) [12:46] didrocks, adding an extra smaller value? [12:47] or just changing the default? [12:47] or both? [12:47] I talked a bit to upstream about it [12:47] changing the default IMHO, we were scaling them back before, right? [12:47] we had more zoom levels before [12:47] you could go quite small [12:47] issue said that one issue they have is that they said their canvas sucks [12:48] so the spacing/padding is not smart enough to look good at all zoom levels [12:48] that's why they limit it [12:48] well, that doesn't prevent to have a "sane" default :p [12:48] which isn't the current one [12:48] I'm going to experiment a bit, at least lower the default from one step and maybe add a 48px value if that doesn't looks too buggy [12:48] yeah [12:48] right [12:48] didrocks, willcooke, thanks for the feedback [12:48] FWIW 48px is "okish" IMHO [12:49] but still just a little bit too big for my taste [12:49] (but I could bear with it) [12:49] the current set is 64/96/128 [12:49] 64 is a bit big to my taste as well [12:49] I'm going to get at least 48 back [12:49] ah, sorry, I thought *that* was 64 [12:50] yeah [12:53] pitti, did the way journald works changed in xenial? [12:53] I get those in syslog when I open a guest session [12:53] apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="/usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-guest-session" name="/run/systemd/journal/stdout" pid=13907 comm="dbus-daemon" requested_mask="w" denied_mask="w" fsuid=993 ouid=0 [12:53] I guess the guest session profile needs an update [12:53] seb128: there's been a few bug fixes, but no structural change === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:54] right, I guess so [12:54] but I didn't remember seeing those on wily [12:54] pitti, thanks [12:55] seb128, libindicate uses obsolete build-dep. I fixed that. Now it seems to have a generic too-much-Wall-Werror-build-failure can somebody take a look at it? [12:55] xnox, I can [12:55] thank you =) [12:55] yw: [12:55] yw! [12:55] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindicate/12.10.1-0ubuntu4 [12:56] i'm not happy with the new mono by the way... loads of things FTBFS: https://launchpad.net/~xnox/+archive/ubuntu/nonvirt/+packages [12:56] and the tracker is crap too. I shall design a better one. [12:57] there are some removals to be done there [12:59] I removed clutter-sharp as it was removed in Debian [13:00] looks like loads of things use "old" 2.0/4.0 "abis" yet only 4.5 is available now. [13:01] so things were bitrotting. [13:02] boo [13:02] tomboy-blogposter seems crufty [13:02] ampsharp has a removal bug [13:02] * xnox is rebuilding tomboy, as that is not installable... [13:02] gnome-desktop-sharp2 [13:02] * xnox thinks we should keep tomboy.... [13:02] gnome-desktop-sharp2 is good [13:03] (arm64 has always failed, the rest built) [13:03] mummy [13:03] I said tomboy-blogposter [13:03] gnome-desktop-sharp2 is removed from debian. [13:03] what's up with mono-addins? a generic build-failure or should things migrate to something else? [13:04] ndesk-dbus [13:04] Laney, tomboy-blogposter -> it was never in debian no? [13:05] (and i think we can fix it) [13:05] who cares about carrying random ancient cruft around? [13:05] but if you want to spend your time doing that, go nuts [13:05] * xnox thought tomboy was a flagship app... [13:06] doesn't mean that every addon for it is flagship does it === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:40] lllllllllllunchhhhhhhhhhh [13:40] Laney, enjoy! === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [14:40] happyaron, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1509829 ? [14:40] Ubuntu bug 1509829 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm-guest-session profile is too strict to input Japanese text with fcitx-mozc" [High,Triaged] [14:52] * xnox ponders if i should upload things when i have no idea what i am doing [14:52] * xnox is hacking mono / C# project files. [14:56] umm [14:56] go to #debian-cli? [15:01] sent bug report, pasted to #debian-cli [15:01] will upload into ubuntu for now, and if things are terribly broken, i'm sorry for all c# users =) but i think it's mostly harmless change anyway. [15:01] Laney, http://paste.debian.net/344421/ to fix https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=807915 [15:01] Debian bug 807915 in src:mono-addins "mono-addins: FTBFS with new mono, upgrade to 1.2 release?" [Serious,Open] [15:02] you could wait like a few minutes for directhex to reply [15:02] it's what I did for dbus-sharp though [15:02] if acked you could even upload to debian... [15:03] sound good. [15:03] * xnox ponders if there is a compiler way to enforce target framework. [15:26] seb128: yes I just read that in email [15:26] happyaron, hey! thanks ;-) [16:10] larsu, can you comment/reply to mterry on bug #1525156? [16:10] bug 1525156 in geonames (Ubuntu) "[MIR] geonames" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525156 [16:23] larsu, how is the nautilus menubar going btw? still working on that? [16:34] argh, failures in tests after merging contributor's branch :/ [16:34] (large ones) [16:34] * didrocks fixes [16:59] * didrocks waves good evening! See you tomorrow guys. [16:59] seb128: get better! :) [16:59] didrocks, thanks [16:59] have a nice evening didrocks! [16:59] thanks ;) [17:06] Laney, thanks for doing the ligdata update ;-) [17:06] np [17:06] * Laney warps across IRC === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:05] seb128: sure can do [18:05] larsu, danke [18:15] right, see you! [18:15] Laney, have a good evening! === Guest57675 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest50007 [19:07] larsu, so I commented back about geonames. maybe IRC would be a faster dialog though === maclin1 is now known as maclin [20:48] g'night all