[05:36] <didrocks> good morning
[05:38] <pitti> Good morning
[05:38] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, comment vas-tu ?
[05:39] <didrocks> ça va pitti, et toi ?
[05:39] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien
[05:40] <pitti> il faut faire trop de choses jusq'à Noël :)
[05:40] <didrocks> pitti: héhé, pareil ici !
[06:00] <duflu> Morning Europe
[06:00] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:01] <duflu> Seems our xenial images have not been passing sufficiently since 9 December? But the "current" one also doesn't work (fails to install). Any news?
[06:01] <duflu> (http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/)
[06:02] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:02] <duflu> He says from a warm sunny Summer afternoon
[06:03] <didrocks> duflu: I would ask that to the fundation team (cyphermox for instance), they are in charge of the iso/installer (and yeah, the installer was failing on flavors as well)
[06:10] <RAOF> I installed from current just yesterday?
[06:10] <darkxst> Ubuntu GNOME images are busted from non-root Xorg changes on atleast Virtualbox
[06:10] <darkxst> but not heard any issues with the actual installation
[06:11] <didrocks> RAOF: current is the one that passed the tests, (I can install it as well), pending doesn't
[06:12] <didrocks> I still see for any of them the live installer session exiting though (and going to live session mode as the fallback)
[06:17] <duflu> Mine consistently fails to install UEFI at the end and gives up. Maybe I should try a different machine
[06:17] <duflu> Secureboot is off, too
[07:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:11] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:12] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:15] <didrocks> seb128: did you try to create a persistent usb drive recently? It seems I can't (even the blocks alignement after a dd are wrong, so I can't rewrite the partition table)
[07:16] <didrocks> usb-creator is busted as well
[07:16] <seb128> didrocks, they dropped the feature on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/0.3.0 it seems
[07:16] <seb128> I read that yesterday
[07:16] <seb128> thanks for bringing it up, I wanted to ask mdeslaur / cyphermox what's the point of keeping usb-creator if there is no persistency
[07:16] <seb128> we can as well use disks then
[07:17] <seb128> you said "usb-creator is busted as well"
[07:17] <seb128> did we have another tool to do persistent drives?
[07:17] <didrocks> well, basically, it's just about adding a new partition
[07:17] <didrocks> labelled casper-rw
[07:17] <didrocks> but I can't do that (gparted, fdisk…)
[07:17] <seb128> :-/
[07:18] <didrocks> because if you dd the iso, it complains about the partition table not being aligned
[07:18] <didrocks> (same with disks)
[07:18] <seb128> urg
[07:18] <didrocks> tried xubuntu and lubuntu (for debugging the plymouth thing)
[07:18] <seb128> I use disks and it works usually
[07:18] <didrocks> you don't try to create another partition though?
[07:18] <didrocks> to add persistency
[07:19] <didrocks> (creating an usb live is fine, it's just after when you want to add persistency that it's failing)
[07:19] <didrocks> so… I can't even debug this plymouth thing (as I need to reboot asking more debug info to plymouth) :/
[07:19] <didrocks> I could probably break on casper-bottom and changing the file manually, but if I need to reboot, that will become tedious
[07:25] <seb128> no I didn't try to add persistency
[07:26] <seb128> (sorry, had to move, we have some worked over to fix an issue with water on the balcony)
[07:26] <didrocks> no worry!
[07:31] <xnox> morning people
[07:31] <didrocks> hey early xnox :)
[07:32] <xnox> didrocks, yeah was up since 6:50 or so.
[07:32] <didrocks> didn't beat me (even with the time diff), but still good time ;)
[07:33] <didrocks> good, at least, I get now why the text theme in flavors isn't working
[07:34] <seb128> hey xnox
[07:36] <xnox> seb128, i think there is a gdcm transition entangled into mono.
[07:36] <xnox> as it needs to be considered...
[07:36] <seb128> yeah, of course, wouldn't be fun otherwise right?
[07:36] <seb128> :-(
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[08:03] <Trevinho> Hello mates!
[08:12] <seb128> hey Trevinho! how are you?
[08:13] <didrocks> hey Trevinho!
[08:16] <seb128> pitti, hey, with run-autopkgtest, is the trigger the candidate package or one of the rdepends it impacts?
[08:16]  * seb128 is lost with those things
[08:19] <Trevinho> Hi seb128 and didrocks!
[08:24] <didrocks> Unpacking libpython2.7-minimal:ppc64el (2.7.11-2) ...
[08:24] <didrocks> dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt
[08:24] <didrocks> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess <decompress> returned error exit status 2
[08:24] <didrocks> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libpython2.7-minimal_2.7.11-2_ppc64el.deb (--unpack):
[08:24] <didrocks>  cannot copy extracted data for './usr/lib/python2.7/re.py' to '/usr/lib/python2.7/re.py.dpkg-new': unexpected end of file or stream
[08:24] <didrocks> nice!
[08:29] <didrocks> seems to have been transient, a give back worked
[08:36] <duflu> Trevinho, maaate
[08:53] <andyrock> morning
[08:56] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[08:56] <didrocks> good morning andyrock
[09:02] <Laney> mewwwwww
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:03] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, seems that lp:unity doesn't match what's in the xenial archive, does it?
[09:03] <didrocks> (no 7.4.0+16.04.20151211-0ubuntu1)
[09:03] <didrocks> nothing in bilbetto
[09:03] <didrocks> I was thinking it was doing merge and clean automatically?
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:05] <Laney> hey didrocks & seb128!
[09:05] <Laney> how goes?
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, good! and you?
[09:06] <didrocks> good good :)
[09:06] <Laney> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not bad
[09:06] <Laney> I thought I had a bike meeting last night
[09:06] <Laney> checked my phone as I was next to the door
[09:06] <Laney> and it was not :(
[09:07] <didrocks> argh :/
[09:07] <Laney> so I was like ¬_¬
[09:07] <Laney> planned to be out all evening
[09:07] <Laney> so watched the first episode of "the man in the high castle" on streaming instead
[09:08] <seb128> well, at least you didn't get cold!
[09:08] <seb128> what happened to the bike meeting?
[09:08] <seb128> wrong day?
[09:08] <pitti> hey Laney!
[09:08] <Laney> next week
[09:09] <Laney> would have gone climbing instead but it was too late!
[09:09] <Laney> hi pitti!
[09:09] <Laney> you ok?
[09:09] <larsu> good morning!
[09:09] <didrocks> morning larsu
[09:09] <larsu> hi didrocks! How are you?
[09:11] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:11] <seb128> hey larsu
[09:11] <Laney> morgen larsu
[09:11] <didrocks> Laney: I'm good, thanks, you?
[09:11] <larsu> haha nice email seb128! How are you?
[09:11] <larsu> hi Laney!
[09:11] <larsu> sup?
[09:11] <Laney> looks foggy
[09:11] <seb128> larsu, I'm better thanks :-) what about you? managed to avoid the cold?
[09:11] <Laney> I want some kind of coloured lights in here
[09:12] <Laney> to brighten the place up
[09:12] <Laney> maybe a lava lamp
[09:12] <larsu> didrocks: (replying to Laney's ping ;) ) I'm pretty good - throat is not worse than yesterday \o/
[09:12]  * didrocks see again blue sky, sun, and 14° this afternoon
[09:12] <larsu> took a lot of rest
[09:12] <Laney> 14°
[09:12] <Laney> SICKENING
[09:12] <larsu> seb128: I don't think I'm over it, but at least it's not worst
[09:12] <didrocks> yeah, quite unusual
[09:12] <larsu> *worse
[09:12] <Laney> it is about 9 here I think
[09:13] <didrocks> which is quite high, the average maximum at that period is 7 here
[09:13] <seb128> is anybody else having issue with canonical infrastructures?
[09:13] <didrocks> vpn and s-jenkins works here
[09:13] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ echo hi seb128
[09:13] <Laney> hi seb128
[09:13] <seb128> hum, it's just slow
[09:13] <larsu> cute :)
[09:14] <seb128> Laney, pitti, I'm probably just too stupid to use that tool right, but what is wrong with "run-autopkgtest -s xenial -a amd64 --trigger=gvfs/1.26.2-1ubuntu1 libgdata"?
[09:14] <Laney> why do you think it's wrong?
[09:14] <seb128> because http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/gvfs/xenial/amd64/ didn't get updated
[09:15] <seb128> mot recent run is from 2:49 utc
[09:15] <Laney> you ran the libgdata test
[09:15] <seb128> I want to unblock http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libgdata
[09:15] <seb128> what should have I  used?
[09:15] <seb128> the reverse?
[09:15] <Laney> yep
[09:15] <seb128> trigger=libgdata/0.17.4-1
[09:15] <Laney> do you have retry-autopkgtest-regressions?
[09:16] <Laney> from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[09:16] <Laney> run that and c+p the ones from there
[09:16] <seb128> thanks
[09:16] <seb128> I've a log where it says it's a big hammer to retry stack of failures
[09:16] <Laney> it just prints them
[09:16] <Laney> you pick the ones you want
[09:16] <seb128> k
[09:16] <seb128> thanks
[09:16] <seb128> good tip
[09:16] <Laney> I always typo the package name or the version or something when trying to do it manually
[09:16] <Laney> humans suck, up the machines
[09:16] <seb128> yeah
[09:17] <happyaron> looks ibus upstream now prefer ibus-libpinyin over ibus-pinyin in general
[09:17] <seb128> I wish we had some web clicky thing for that
[09:17] <seb128> hey happyaron!
[09:17] <Laney> there is a bug for that
[09:17] <Laney> ahoy happyaron
[09:17] <happyaron> hey guys, :)
[09:18] <Laney> 你好吗?
[09:18] <seb128>   File "./retry-autopkgtest-regressions", line 43, in get_regressions
[09:18] <seb128>     for arch, (state, _) in archinfo.items():
[09:18] <seb128> ValueError: too many values to unpack (expected 2)
[09:18] <seb128> BAH
[09:18] <happyaron> Laney: 我很好，谢谢
[09:19] <Laney> PIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIII
[09:19] <didrocks> tititi ;)
[09:20] <pitti> seb128, Laney: sorry, got diverted
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: that command looks right
[09:20] <pitti> why would http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/gvfs/xenial/amd64/ get updated? you started a libgdata test
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I reversed what the trigger and package are
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: ah, saw it in backlog now; all ok now?
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, right, I'm not familiar with the vocabulary
[09:21] <Laney> r-a-r crashes :)
[09:21] <seb128> I don't know what a "trigger" is
[09:21] <seb128> or what is the trigger and what is the triggered
[09:21] <seb128> and what Laney said
[09:21] <didrocks> trigger is the condition I guess ;)
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Re-running_tests explains it a bit, but I'm happy to expand on that
[09:22] <seb128> I though libgdata would trigger gvfs
[09:22] <seb128> but I guess it means libgdata is the trigger
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: so "--trigger=libgdata/0.17.4-1 gvfs": you run gvfs' tests with libgdata from -proposed
[09:23] <Laney> -            for arch, (state, _) in archinfo.items():
[09:23] <Laney> +            for arch, (state, _, _) in archinfo.items():
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: i. e. libgdata gets updated, and its reverse dependenies (like gvfs) get run against that new versrion
[09:23] <Laney> I guess it got an extra item at some point
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: so libgdata is the trigger ("why is this test run?") and gvfs the test
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks
[09:23] <pitti> Laney: eek, did I break run-autopkgtset yesterday?
[09:23] <pitti> Laney: ah, retry; will fix, sorry about that
[09:24] <Laney> bah
[09:24] <Laney> my session has failed to come up again
[09:24] <pitti> Laney: I'll robustify it
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, btw, we lost gnome-contacts from the iso, I guess it's because it was there through empathy recommends only, but it's not a wanted change?
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, do you have any error? how did you fix it yesterday?
[09:25] <Laney> seb128: don't know, maybe that is a good change
[09:25] <Laney> yesterday I tried again and it worked
[09:25] <seb128> what's the error when it doesn't?
[09:26] <seb128> is it compiz failing to load the unity plugin?
[09:26] <Laney> compiz (core) - Debug: Loaded plugin opengl from: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/compiz/libopengl.so
[09:26] <Laney> compiz (core) - Info: Starting plugin: opengl
[09:26] <pitti> Laney, seb128: fixed retry-autopkgtest-regressions (now works with any number of extra URLs), sorry about that
[09:26] <Laney> that is the last thing
[09:26] <Laney> pitti: thanks!
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:26] <pitti> excuses.yaml now has both URLs to the package history as well as the direct link to the log file
[09:26] <pitti> (as part of exposing those on excuses.html)
[09:27] <seb128> Laney, where are those logged nowadays?
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: bug 1475491 FYI; it's just a lot of work as we need to put that behind SSO
[09:27] <ubot5> bug 1475491 in Auto Package Testing "provide web-based "retry test" functionality" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475491
[09:27] <pitti> and I have NFC about that
[09:27] <seb128> I don't understand, guest sessions have a gnome-session-Unity.log by mine doesn't
[09:27] <pitti> so if anyone has experience with that, I'm glad about help :)
[09:28] <seb128> pitti, I see
[09:28] <Laney> seb128: which?
[09:28] <Laney> I'm looking in unity7.log.1.gz which has a current timestamp
[09:28] <Laney> so I assume that is from now...
[09:28] <Laney> or maybeupstart just rotated it
[09:28] <seb128> Laney, my unity7.log has no plugins loading
[09:28] <seb128> but maybe it was rotated/cleaned
[09:28] <seb128> Trevinho might be able to help to debug
[09:28] <seb128> or andyrock
[09:29] <Laney> it has loads of compiz stuff
[09:29] <seb128> in what state is your session?
[09:29] <seb128> working nautilus but no unity UI?
[09:29] <Laney> no nautilus
[09:29] <seb128> ok, so not an unity issue
[09:30] <seb128> rather gnome-session?
[09:30] <Laney> it has the background from the greeter in a weird resolution
[09:30] <seb128> or upstart?
[09:30] <Laney> like it does for a second before nautilus starts
[09:30] <seb128> I guess you don't have a gnome-session-Unity.log in .cache/upstart?
[09:30] <seb128> anything interesting in syslog?
[09:30] <Laney> no gnome session anything
[09:31] <Laney> wait
[09:31] <Laney> no they're all old
[09:32] <seb128> I think those logs go to journal nowadays
[09:32] <seb128> didrocks, did you figure out what's going on with unity and why the recent landing was not merged back?
[09:32] <Laney> they -> gnome-session upstart
[09:33] <seb128> upstart job still output to .cache/upstart no?
[09:33] <seb128> I don't understand why my session has no gnome-session-Unity.log
[09:33] <seb128> where a guest has
[09:33] <seb128> I wonder if I'm not using upstart for some reason
[09:34] <didrocks> seb128: I'm still waiting on Trevhino
[09:34] <seb128> right
[09:34] <didrocks> didn't find the branch…
[09:34] <seb128> Treeevinnnnnhoooo
[09:34] <seb128> Trevinho, dude!
[09:34] <Trevinho> yeah...
[09:35] <didrocks> Trevinho: looking at IRC sometimes? :)
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:30  didrocks | Trevinho: hum, seems that lp:unity doesn't match what's in the xenial archive, does it?
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:41  didrocks | (no 7.4.0+16.04.20151211-0ubuntu1)
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:45  didrocks | nothing in bilbetto
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:55  didrocks | I was thinking it was doing merge and clean automatically?
[09:35] <Trevinho> didrocks: I was focused on finishing something, sorry... I ignored the popups :-P
[09:35] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, it has not been merged yet since compiz in silo is not released yet
[09:36] <seb128> there is something weird with the ci website and jenkins
[09:36] <seb128> they seem to have lost history and have incomplete records
[09:36] <Trevinho> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#compiz
[09:36] <didrocks> Trevinho: I don't find this landing in the ci website, where is it?
[09:37] <seb128> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/# has no xenial unity landing
[09:37] <Trevinho> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/628
[09:37] <didrocks> it's not in the dashboard…
[09:37] <Laney> the only weird thing I can see is a kernel trace in the journal
[09:38] <didrocks> I'm not even able to decipher what's the landing state is
[09:38] <didrocks> ah, it's per component
[09:38] <didrocks> no indication of a global one
[09:39] <didrocks> robru: any idea why request 628 which isn't merged/fully landed isn't available on the dashboard? (index page) ^
[09:39] <didrocks> it's in migrating
[09:39] <robru> didrocks: we just had a catastrophic failure and restored from backups, lost about a day of data
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: I guess it doesn't show up the migrating ones
[09:40] <seb128> didrocks, it does on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/tickets?status=pocket
[09:40] <seb128> it's confusing
[09:40] <didrocks> yeah
[09:40] <seb128> "all" should include what it states
[09:40] <seb128> didrocks, Trevinho, I think it's fine to force merge that one, it's blocked due to s390x/mono/etc transitions
[09:41] <didrocks> robru: the weird part is that it's still showing up in migrating
[09:41] <seb128> not because of issues in the landing
[09:41] <didrocks> robru: so some data are duplicated at different places and not coherent perhaps?
[09:41] <didrocks> seb128: +1
[09:41] <Trevinho> Yeah, I didn't want to point this out not to bother, but I'd force the landing
[09:41] <robru> didrocks: what if the issue exactly? 628 is an old enough request it's not lost
[09:41] <didrocks> robru: it's not in the main page
[09:41] <seb128> didrocks, can you force merge it since you seem on it?
[09:42] <didrocks> seb128: I'm not even sure how to do that, can try :p
[09:42] <robru> didrocks: it's on the second page, it's paginated
[09:43] <robru> On the bottom it says "... More ..."
[09:43] <robru> didrocks: you should be able to run merge job, any core dev can
[09:43] <didrocks> robru: ah, it's paginated, ok, makes sense why we didn't see it
[09:44] <didrocks> yeah, it's running right now, thanks!
[09:44] <robru> Yw
[09:45] <didrocks> the "…older…" to me was more archived ones
[09:47] <didrocks> Trevinho: seb128: done
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[09:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: nice
[09:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: as you know I'd love to get upstream and downstream to be always sinced, not when all the silo lands... But I understand the reasons why it's not doing that :)
[09:56] <Trevinho> robru:  	Uncaught exception: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/jenkins/silos/ubuntu/landing-011/xenial/unity/unity_published.new ? :o
[10:02] <robru> Trevinho: hang on
[10:02] <robru> Trevinho: what request number?
[10:03] <Trevinho> robru: still 628
[10:04] <robru> Ugh, race condition
[10:05] <robru> Trevinho: its merged, it's done
[10:05] <robru> Trevinho: run the abandon job i guess if you want that error to go away
[10:22] <seb128> larsu, I don't think you replied yesterday, but still on the nautilus menubar? how is that going?
[10:23]  * larsu scrolls back
[10:23] <larsu> seb128: oh indeed - I overread because of the other ping. Yes, ongoing :(
[10:24] <seb128> larsu, any estimate how much more work is it? I'm working if it's starting being too much and should look for a plan B
[10:24] <larsu> seb128: no, I was just distracted by a lot of things
[10:25] <larsu> I finish it in the next days
[10:25] <seb128> thanks
[10:25] <seb128> I'm still working today and tomorrow
[10:26] <seb128> but I might connect and upload that on friday if you get it ready
[10:26] <seb128> I wanted to get that off my list before holidays if possible
[10:26] <larsu> got it
[10:26] <larsu> it's a gtk upload as well
[10:26] <seb128> Laney, I guess gnome-calendar is an after holidays at this point?
[10:26] <seb128> larsu, oh, ok
[10:27] <larsu> yeah, wasn't straight forward unfortunately :/
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[10:39] <Laney> seb128: I filed the mir yesterday
[10:39] <Laney> so it is in the hands of those fine people
[10:39] <seb128> great
[10:48] <xnox> is gnome-calendar "california"
[10:48] <xnox> ?
[10:50] <larsu> nope
[11:03] <Laney> launch time
[11:45] <Laney> unity is warning about num lock?!?!?!
[12:46] <pitti> didrocks: ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Test_request_format now documents bzr and git support
[12:46] <pitti> didrocks: and git cloning works
[12:47] <pitti> didrocks: I ran "autopkgtest/run-from-checkout --git-source https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make.git" on the CI infra and it works fine
[12:47] <pitti> didrocks: to do a full run, is there some PPA of your's which I could run this against, to avoid cluttering the main Ubuntu test result container?
[12:48] <pitti> didrocks: i. e. the test dependencies will be satisfied from ubuntu + this PPA (you might not need them if your tests run against the code in git of course -- but it's still relevant for determining the result URL)
[12:56] <didrocks> pitti: \o/ you ROCK!
[12:56] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, please use ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make
[12:56] <pitti> didrocks: thanks, you too!
[12:56] <pitti> didrocks: should they run against trusty or xenial?
[12:56] <didrocks> pitti: there are some build tests dependencies in some ppa
[12:57] <didrocks> trusty for now (main target)
[12:57] <davmor2> didrocks: pitti is not a rock, he's an awesome person, you liar ;)
[12:57] <didrocks> ahah :)
[12:57]  * pitti teaches the concept of verbs to davmor2
[12:57] <didrocks> pitti: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps for trusty test deps
[12:59] <seb128> Laney, yeah, that feels buggy (num lock warning), want to open a bug about it?
[12:59] <seb128> I went wth about it as well
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: oh erk
[12:59] <davmor2> pitti: good luck with that
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: I just used the former
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: ok, cancelling, and re-running
[12:59] <didrocks> pitti: you need both
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: what's the difference between ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps and ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make?
[12:59] <Laney> seb128: I guess it's useful on laptop keyboards
[12:59] <seb128> is it?
[13:00] <didrocks> pitti: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make is the end consumer product, which ubuntu-make backported and it's deps
[13:00] <Laney> yes if it's making you type numbers instead of letters
[13:00] <didrocks> pitti: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps is additional tests dependencies when needing newer version
[13:00] <Laney> some of them have a num lock like that
[13:00] <seb128> Laney, it's confusing/buggy on external keyboards though
[13:00] <Laney> indeed
[13:00] <Laney> but I think the feature has good intentions :)
[13:00] <didrocks> but I prefer end users to not using theme as it's new version, possibly API breakage…
[13:00] <didrocks> like python3-requests 4.0 instead of 3.x
[13:00] <seb128> larsu, right, suboptimal implementation then, still worth a bug report :-)
[13:00] <pitti> 'ubuntu-make-trunk {"test-git": "https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make.git", "ppas": ["ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps", "ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make"]}'
[13:00] <pitti> didrocks: ^ looks ok?
[13:01] <larsu> seb128: you mean Laney ?
[13:01] <pitti> didrocks: I somewhat arbitrarily call the test name "ubuntu-make-trunk", let me know if I should use something else
[13:01] <didrocks> pitti: perfect! (/me prefers the "master" rather than trunk term to match git, but yeah ;))
[13:01] <pitti> didrocks: the name only matters for the result path
[13:01] <pitti> didrocks: yes master!
[13:01] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[13:02] <seb128> larsu, yes, you people having a nickname starting with la*!
[13:02] <pitti> didrocks: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-ubuntu-make-master
[13:02] <seb128> :-)
[13:02] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it's quite "amazing" that we ship (and use) python-requests by default :/
[13:02] <larsu> Laney: change your nick!
[13:02] <pitti> and with that -- c'est l'heure de dejeuner !
[13:02] <didrocks> sweet!
[13:02] <didrocks> pitti: bon appétit!
[13:02] <pitti> didrocks: merci !
[13:02] <seb128> pitti, bon'ap
[13:02]  * pitti will watch the 3rd episode of Breaking Bad
[13:03] <didrocks> heh, a new addict :-)
[13:03] <didrocks> pitti: liking it so far? :)
[13:03] <Laney> people need to three letter tab!
[13:03] <Laney> ask cjohnston
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[13:26] <seb128> Trevinho, what was the rational to add that numlock warning? there is no bug report attached to the merge request
[13:43]  * didrocks declares online search to be now off by default (and related scope purged/demoted)
[13:43] <seb128> didrocks, well done!
[13:43] <didrocks> ;)
[13:44] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for transitionning the music lens to the new gee on the way as well
[13:44] <didrocks> seb128: no worry! it will be one less upload I guess ;)
[13:44] <seb128> indeed
[13:44] <didrocks> just need a publisher cycle for all removals and demotions to be taken into account, and we should be good
[13:51] <pitti> didrocks: yes, I do! pretty dark, though
[13:52] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, told you, better to be in a good mood for that one :)
[13:53] <Laney> heh
[13:53] <Laney> I made it to about 10 episodes
[13:53] <didrocks> Laney: you should have hang on, it's awesome! :)
[13:54] <didrocks> or rather, hook up stronger ;)
[13:55] <Laney> seems there's quite a lot of cool series out now
[13:55] <Laney> the amazon/netflix productions are pretty decent
[13:55] <didrocks> indeed
[13:55] <Laney> maybe one day I'll get back to breaking bad
[13:55] <Laney> :P
[13:55] <didrocks> as attente told me in China
[13:55] <didrocks> "I'm so jaleous, you don't know what's going to happen then" ;)
[13:55] <didrocks> (and he was write, the serie is more and more awesome)
[13:57] <cyphermox> yeah, so awesome they ended it and planning to start it again ;)
[13:58] <didrocks> cyphermox: you mean, not "better call saul", but something else?
[13:58] <didrocks> better call saul is really different, but quite descent :)
[13:58] <Laney> speaking of
[13:58] <didrocks> decent*
[13:58] <cyphermox> yeah, something else, with Walter White
[13:58] <Laney> lunch and an episode of high castle
[13:58] <Laney> laters ;-)
[13:58] <didrocks> nice! :)
[13:58] <didrocks> enjoy Laney
[13:58] <pitti> didrocks: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-trusty-ubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-make?format=plain
[13:59] <pitti> didrocks: so in particular: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-trusty-ubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-make/trusty/amd64/u/ubuntu-make-master/20151215_130855@/log.gz
[14:01] <didrocks> pitti: good! so pep8 and small tests are running fine :)
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[14:26] <desrt> hello desktopians
[14:27] <larsu> morning desrt
[14:28] <seb128> hey desrt
[14:29] <Trevinho> seb128: so... Numlock... Well, I found annoying when using a notebook computer where the TN is shared with the keyboard itself and the numlock  toggles it. I would have loved to get a way to detect that, but I don't think it exists.
[14:29] <desrt> good morning, larsu, seb128
[14:29] <seb128> Trevinho, right, see my comment, we tried in the past and reverted due to hardware sucking and users hating it
[14:29] <Trevinho> seb128: or... Maybe I could show the warning in different ways, so... Like making it semi-transparent when only numlock is there like a "ligher warning"
[14:29] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm unsure the situation changed
[14:29] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[14:29] <desrt> hey didrocks :)
[14:29] <Trevinho> lighter*
[14:30] <seb128> Trevinho, you can try, I predict that users are still going to hate it, numlock on is normal on a standard external keyboar
[14:30] <seb128> d
[14:30] <seb128> I disabled numlock a few time because of the warning
[14:30] <seb128> thinking my numlock was in wrong state
[14:31] <seb128> which in fact was no, I want it on
[14:31] <Trevinho> I do as well when docking...
[14:31] <seb128> see :-)
[14:31] <Trevinho> so... mh I understand that this might be complicated :-Pù
[14:31] <seb128> I gave some past upstream and downstream references on the bug on why that was reverted when tried
[14:32] <seb128> we can go through that feedback loop again though and see
[14:32] <mdeslaur> ohgawdplease no
[14:32] <seb128> haha
[14:32] <seb128> see :-)
[14:40] <Trevinho> seb128: I think keeping it at 30% opacity gives an idea without being a "strong" attention mark...
[14:40] <seb128> Trevinho, we can try
[14:40] <Trevinho> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14027728/
[14:41] <Trevinho> seb128: ah for some reason I thought it was a question ("how we can try") :-P
[14:42]  * mdeslaur stars pre-emptively filing bugs and assigning them to Trevinho
[14:43] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: better than having to fill the bugs by myself :-)
[14:43] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:50] <xclaesse> seb128, do you know where ubuntu configures gtk to have window buttons (close/maximize/...) on the left?
[14:50] <seb128> xclaesse, I think in the theme
[14:52] <seb128> or maybe it's a gsettings key
[14:52] <seb128> larsu or mitya57 probably remember
[14:53] <xclaesse> GtkHeaderBar takes "gtk-decoration-layout" property on GtkSettings
[14:53] <xclaesse> didn't find that in theme
[14:53] <xclaesse> I would like to extend that to be able to tell to skip all buttons when maximized
[14:54] <seb128> the index.theme has a ButtonLayout
[14:54] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-themes/trunk/view/head:/Ambiance/index.theme#L12
[14:54] <seb128> hum, that's older
[14:54] <seb128> dunno
[14:56] <seb128> xclaesse, https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/ubuntu-themes/headerbar-fixes/+merge/200477
[14:56] <larsu> xclaesse: it takes it from gsettings
[14:57] <larsu> xclaesse: org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout
[14:57] <larsu> unity-settings-daemon watches that key and sets the xsetting
[14:58] <seb128> what larsu said I guess
[14:58] <larsu> seb128: I can't make the meeting today :( Sent you an email with the updates
[14:58] <seb128> need to go for a bit otherwise I'm going to be late for the meeting
[14:58] <seb128> brb
[14:58] <seb128> larsu, ok :-(
[14:58] <larsu> I'll be back later as well (but might be quite late)
[14:58] <seb128> k
[14:58] <seb128> have fun!
[14:58] <xclaesse> larsu, seb128, thanks !
[14:59] <xclaesse> my plan is to improve GtkHeaderBar's parser to accept format like "<buttons when windowed>;<buttons when maximized>"
[15:00] <xclaesse> so on ubuntu that would be "close,minimize,maximize:;"
[15:00] <xclaesse> meaning no button when max
[15:00] <larsu> interesting :)
[15:00]  * desrt ph33r
[15:01]  * xclaesse is just too lazy to introduce a new setting
[15:01] <desrt> good morning, xclaesse
[15:01] <xclaesse> I already patched ubuntu theme to make GtkHeaderBar look the same has a toolbar when window is maximized
[15:02] <xclaesse> that can be done with simple css
[15:02] <xclaesse> desrt, morning :)
[15:02] <xclaesse> gave a try to ubuntu 16.04, more headerbar everywhere... something needs to be done
[15:17] <desrt> xclaesse: interesting how you treat each dconfchangeset database separately
[15:17] <desrt> which, of course, makes a good deal of sense for serialise/deserialise
[15:18] <xclaesse> you mean for user and default values?
[15:18] <desrt> but i actually didn't expect you to use that on the reader side...
[15:18] <desrt> ya
[15:18] <desrt> for some reason i expected each key to be sent as a pair of (mvmv)
[15:18] <desrt> like a{s(mvmv)} or so
[15:19] <xclaesse> yeah, could have made my own type, but I just though it was easier to reuse changeset' serialize code
[15:20] <desrt> ya.  makes sense, i think.
[15:31] <seb128> hey desktopers
[15:31] <didrocks> hey hey seb128
[15:31] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 15 15:31:10 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:32] <seb128> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu (out), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, robert_ancell (out), willcooke (out)
[15:32] <desrt> hello second in command!
[15:32] <seb128> :-)
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's get rolling
[15:32] <seb128> #topic andyrock
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[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:34] <andyrock> so my week
[15:34] <andyrock> * reviewed Trevinho's MP
[15:34] <andyrock> * reviewing the patch proposed by a community guy to improve search and launch of application from the dash
[15:35] <andyrock> \eow
[15:35] <andyrock> I should finish the review today or maximum tomorrow
[15:35] <andyrock> then I'll move to supporto "startup notification" in the dash
[15:36] <seb128> k
[15:36] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <seb128> #topic attente
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[15:36] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:37] <attente> hi all
[15:37] <attente> spent the week debugging and fixing the apparmor dconf and kernel patches which went stale due to upstream changes and submitted it to the mailing list, also think i might've found a kernel bug that should be easily fixable
[15:37] <attente> revisiting the popup menu refactoring stuff in gtk
[15:37] <attente> (eof)
[15:37] <desrt> attente: try to get in good with the kernel guys... i have a few more patches you can write when you're finished with these ones =)
[15:37] <attente> desrt: apparmor related or ...?
[15:38] <desrt> inotify, etc. :)
[15:38] <seb128> attente, hide!
[15:38] <desrt> you know... simple stuff
[15:38] <desrt> *cough*
[15:38] <attente> rofl. i guess not like the off-by-one error i found...
[15:38] <desrt> in security code?
[15:38] <attente> rhashtable code
[15:38] <desrt> cute.
[15:39] <seb128> :-)
[15:39] <seb128> thanks attente!
[15:39] <attente> thanks seb128!
[15:39] <seb128> I hope they are going to like the patches this time
[15:39] <seb128> next
[15:39] <seb128> #topic desrt
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[15:40] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:40] <desrt> hi
[15:40] <desrt> working on the dconf/gsettings stuff still
[15:40] <desrt> preparing a dconf release for today which will not break things
[15:40] <desrt> following that will be a glib release that will not break things (later in the week)
[15:40] <seb128> finger crossed!
[15:40] <desrt> after that, i think there is probably going to be some breakage
[15:40] <seb128> fingers even
[15:40] <seb128> haha
[15:40] <desrt> the gsettingsbackend interface is going to change in an incompatable way so there will need to be a lockstep upgrade between dconf and glib at some point
[15:40] <seb128> I see
[15:41] <desrt> i _may_ be able to preserve compatibility across the upgrade but i'm not sure it's worth it
[15:41] <Laney> "will" is a good word
[15:41] <desrt> considering this has always been considered a private interface and there is only one out-of-tree implementation of it
[15:41] <seb128> well, as long as you don't break anything existing users along the way...
[15:41] <desrt> it's only the backend interface that's changing
[15:41] <desrt> so ya... i'll sync up again when i know a bit more about exactly how it will go down
[15:41] <seb128> k
[15:42] <desrt> \end{week}
[15:42] <seb128> thanks desrt!
[15:42] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
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[15:42] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:42] <dgadomski> hey
[15:42] <dgadomski> Sorry, I don't have anything in particular to share this week. I was busy with non-desktop stuff.
[15:42] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:42] <seb128> no worry
[15:42] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:42] <seb128> #topic didrocks
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[15:42] <seb128> didrocks, hey :-)
[15:42] <didrocks> hey!
[15:42] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:42] <didrocks> - released Ubuntu Make 15.12 (features below).
[15:42] <didrocks> - jetbrains changed its website breaking us. Consequently, adapt to new jetbrains' website (after some poking, they are using client-side javascript), so found their API rather and using this which should be more stable. Adapt medium tests assets for this as well, fake certificates, as all IDEs based on it.
[15:42] <didrocks> - close the too many bugs opened (even after the fix) on this ^ :)
[15:42] <didrocks> - merged an external contributor's update to Unity3D. Fixe medium tests to work with this.
[15:42] <didrocks> - some cleanage on beautifulsoup warnings on xenial.
[15:42] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:42] <didrocks> - uploaded plymouth, and adapting all flavors community themes to it. Did some post-upload fixes. Still one flavor bug to fix (but know, understanding the issue).
[15:43] <didrocks> - registering Google Code In tasks and spent quite some time mentoring. We had one fix on unity in for now, 2 are in a good progress state, some will need more work…
[15:43] <didrocks> - worked on language support, fixup missing packages in some locales.
[15:43] <didrocks> - some AA duties like reviewed geonames, promoting/demoting some packages
[15:43] <didrocks> - MIR duties (a bunch of s390-related reviews + geonames)
[15:43] <didrocks> .
[15:43] <seb128> good week didrocks! (as usual ;-)
[15:43] <didrocks> thx ;)
[15:44] <seb128> thanks for the MIRs
[15:44] <Laney> MIR team is the best team
[15:44] <seb128> see the love :-)
[15:44] <seb128> ok, next
[15:44] <desrt> mir team?
[15:44] <Laney> that's Mir
[15:45] <seb128> desrt, the one that review things that go in main
[15:45] <didrocks> (yw on the MIR, but more people would be very welcomed ;))
[15:45] <seb128> #topic FJKong
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[15:45] <desrt> seb128: i know ;)
[15:45] <seb128> FJKong, hey
[15:45] <FJKong> heyu
[15:45] <FJKong> hey
[15:45] <seb128> desrt, I see what you did :p
[15:45] <FJKong> sogou IM bug tracking:
[15:45] <FJKong> 1 restart after changing font size.
[15:45] <seb128> it's not friday yet!
[15:45] <FJKong> 2 sometimes it will crash after system suspend.
[15:45] <FJKong> 3 prepare new feature plan for next release.
[15:45] <FJKong> other:
[15:45] <FJKong> 4 trying building QtWebkit but not goes well.
[15:45] <FJKong> eof]
[15:45] <seb128> what's the issue with qtwebkit? and why do you need to build it?
[15:46] <FJKong> oh, I just want to try, for wechat
[15:46] <qengho> FJKong: I might be of assistance.
[15:46] <FJKong> qengho: nice
[15:47] <FJKong> let talk about it later
[15:47] <seb128> ok
[15:47] <seb128> I guess you can talk outside the meeting then
[15:47] <seb128> thanks FJKong
[15:47] <seb128> #topic happyaron
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[15:47] <seb128> happyaron, hey? you sent me your summary so I guess not there ...
[15:47] <seb128> 1. Yet another libpinyin transition.
[15:47] <seb128> 2. OpenCC transition.
[15:47] <seb128> 3. Update of fcitx family.
[15:47] <seb128> 4. Working on the mozc issue with unity-greeter.
[15:47] <seb128> #topic hikiko
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[15:47] <seb128> hikiko, hey
[15:49] <seb128> oh, she's off according to the week summary email
[15:49] <seb128> and willcooke didn't fwd me the status he got
[15:49] <seb128> so next I guess
[15:49] <seb128> #topic Laney
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[15:49] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:49] <Laney> hi
[15:49] <Laney> • short week & weird week - off friday & in london office thursday
[15:49] <Laney> • file gnome-calendar mir and document some issues to fix later
[15:49] <Laney> • upload new gtk 3 and gtk 2, massage tests until they go in
[15:49] <Laney> • massage for dbus too
[15:49] <Laney> • new libgdata
[15:49] <Laney> • uploads for bullet/gdal/stuff transition which in the end got traded off for a load of new uninstallables in the release, help fix some of those
[15:49] <Laney> • debug some s390x issues, fix some but mainly pass them over to my mentee xnox
[15:49] <Laney> • some fixes for mono transition, to debian and ubuntu
[15:49] <Laney> • start working on gstreamer
[15:49] <Laney> • some small fixes for geonames including LP project admin, found an LP bug while doing that
[15:49] <Laney> ☄
[15:50]  * didrocks wonders if he shouldn't /nick dbus to get a massage from Laney
[15:50] <Laney> you want a massage?
[15:50] <seb128> haha
[15:50] <qengho> Ew.
[15:50] <seb128> from crucher?!
[15:50] <Laney> that can be arranged
[15:50] <Laney> step over to my private room
[15:50] <didrocks> ahah :)
[15:50] <pitti> oh la la
[15:50]  * Laney puts some barry white on
[15:50] <desrt> ...
[15:50]  * didrocks escapes then
[15:50]  * Laney actually does do that
[15:51] <seb128> enjoy the music! :-)
[15:51] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:51] <desrt> is this why we don't have sprints anymore? :)
[15:51]  * Laney is reminded of ally mcbeal
[15:51] <seb128> #topic larsu
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[15:52] <seb128> who is watching his niece and not IRC, but he sent his update!
[15:52] <seb128> - modify the blurry-screenshot patch according to company's input
[15:52] <seb128> - help out with some issues noticed while doing the MIR for geonames
[15:52] <seb128> (thanks seb128)
[15:52] <seb128>   - look into making the timezone popover in control center less jiggly
[15:52] <seb128>   - look into apparent slowness of the popover on slower machines / hard
[15:52] <seb128>   drives, but couldn't reproduce yet (reported by seb128)
[15:52] <seb128> - nautilus :/
[15:52] <seb128> - reviews/bugs as usual
[15:52] <seb128> #topic qengho
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[15:52] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:52] <qengho> Hi hi.
[15:52] <qengho> Just one thing.
[15:53] <qengho> * Working on new upstream chromium release & xdg-utils
[15:53] <seb128> ah, I was going to ask about xdg-utils
[15:53] <seb128> saw that it still didn't get an upload
[15:53] <seb128> let us know when you need sponsoring review again
[15:53] <qengho> Yeah. It should be easy. I'll ask for sponsor tomorrow.
[15:54] <Laney> theeeeeere's no way they could have made two
[15:54] <qengho> Er, not upstream again.
[15:54] <qengho> Just my dist patches.
[15:54] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[15:55] <seb128> qengho, well, that's the one didrocks reviewed and asked you to rebase on the archive upload right?
[15:55] <seb128> or the debian update
[15:55] <qengho> Yes.
[15:55] <seb128> k
[15:55] <seb128> well, let us know when it's ready for a new review round
[15:55]  * qengho nods.
[15:55] <seb128> thanks qengho
[15:56] <seb128> #topic seb128
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[15:56] <seb128> • reviewed, tweaked, uploaded geonames (thanks didrocks for the NEW review!)
[15:56] <seb128> • debugged a bit nautilus segfault issues/provided info upstream
[15:56] <seb128> • reviewed/landed unity-control-center use of the new geonames
[15:56] <seb128> • landed unity-settings-daemon fix from diwic
[15:56] <seb128> • travelled to London for a day for design meetings
[15:56] <seb128> • tested e-d-s oauth changes from 3.19, doesn't solve our issue
[15:56] <seb128> • restored g-s-d cursors plugin schemas to fix u-s-d corresponding code
[15:56] <seb128> • updated nautilus
[15:56] <seb128> • updated evolution-indicator to not use gtkhtml (deprecated and removed from Debian)
[15:56] <seb128> </week>
[15:56] <didrocks> oh gtkhtml is gone for good!
[15:56] <seb128> yep!
[15:56] <didrocks> nice :-)
[15:56] <seb128> evo using webkit now even for composing ;-)
[15:57] <Laney> my shotwell patches to port to wk2 got pushed
[15:57] <didrocks> one less parser duplication in distro :)
[15:57] <seb128> ok, next is ...
[15:57] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark1
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[15:57] <didrocks> (10 more to come ;))
[15:57] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, hey!
[15:57] <Laney> going to look at the state of that again after holidays
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, oh, they did? I though it was an "inspiration" patch but not a fully working version?
[15:58] <seb128> it means shotwell has a new maintainer as well?
[15:58] <Laney> there were a few tweaks but seems like it was mostly ok
[15:59] <Laney> nah, just someone wanting to get stuff off webkit1
[15:59] <seb128> k
[15:59] <seb128> no Sweet5hark1 again I guess...
[16:00] <seb128> k, seems not
[16:00] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
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[16:00] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.4.0 upstream with
[16:00] <tkamppeter>    - Support for Braille printers via CUPS
[16:00] <tkamppeter>    - Security fix in foomatic-rip
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Packaged and commited to Debian GIT repo.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - Committed fix for /etc/init/cups.override on the phone as merge proposal to lxc-android-config
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - MIR for openjpeg (Ghostscript/Poppler) will be done by Security team end of January.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - Question: The Braille support in cups-filters needs liblouisutdml-bin which is in Universe (needs MIR and I do not know whether Security team has still a slot for 16.04) and perhaps more MIRs for dependencies. Should I separate Braill as optional binary package? Or should we do the MIRs?
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[16:01] <seb128> tkamppeter, is that a build-time requirement or only runtime?
[16:03] <seb128> ok, let's discuss that after the meeting
[16:03] <seb128> I don't know how much that feature is requested
[16:04] <seb128> but it's probably not something we need on the default installation/main
[16:04] <seb128> universe supported splitted out would probably be good enough
[16:04] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[16:04] <seb128> #topic other topics?
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[16:04] <seb128> (sorry I don't have status updates from others, willcooke didn't fwd me those)
[16:04] <Trevinho> seb128: /me
[16:05] <seb128> arg
[16:05] <seb128> sorry
[16:05] <Trevinho> np
[16:05] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
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[16:05] <seb128> hey :-)
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Removed gconf backend from compiz
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixes in the nautilus-launcher integration.
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixed compiz build failure caused by new pkg-config handling of quotes in variables and xorg-gtest
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Finalized new landing of bamf, compiz, nux and unity
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixed nautilus folders handler desktop file to open folders in new windows
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Use filemanager *WithTimestamp operations
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Add kind of \"ref-counting\" to key actions, so that they can't be ungrabbed if there are multiple customers.
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Final revew of Kylin lockscreen shield and other contributions
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Muted some a11y warnings spamming the logs when opening quicklists
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixed misalignment of maximized scaled windows
[16:05] <Trevinho> · And last, but most important... Joined the Canonical Xmas party in London
[16:05] <Trevinho> 
[16:05] <seb128> (sorry I worked from the previous week list where you were on national holidays)
[16:06] <seb128> gconf removed from compiz \o/
[16:06] <Laney> good joke
[16:06] <Laney> would chuckle at again
[16:06]  * Sweet5hark1 is late
[16:07]  * seb128 didn't get the joke (I think?)
[16:07] <seb128> thanks Trevinho
[16:07] <Laney> he escaped some quotes
[16:07] <seb128> ha!
[16:07] <seb128> he seems to know his public :p
[16:08] <seb128> now with compiz off the gconf list we are getting close from being able to ship the LTS without it on the iso
[16:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark1 promissed an updated libreoffice
[16:09] <Sweet5hark1> libreoffice 5.1 has no gconf upstream.
[16:09] <seb128> apturl needs fixing
[16:09] <seb128> and aisleriot can be dropped I guess
[16:09] <seb128> I'm going to fix apturl
[16:09] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark1
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[16:09] <seb128> hey, since you are there, you might have an update? ;-)
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - snappifying libreoffice:
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - got a build finished with some hacks from hell
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - some tests still fail, install not tested yet
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - its still huge
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[16:10] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark1
[16:11] <seb128> since you mentioned 5.1 before, what's the status of that one?
[16:11] <seb128> when do you expect to see it landing in xenial?
[16:11] <ricotz> next week ;P
[16:12] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: as per upstream schedule https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#5.1_release
[16:12] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: we already have the current beta in the ppa for xenial
[16:12] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, well, our versions tracker shows that Debian has it in experimental
[16:12] <Laney> seb128 is allergic to red lines
[16:13] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: do you want to dump a beta to xenial?
[16:13] <seb128> Ahchoo
[16:13] <ricotz> please no
[16:13] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: note that betas do not even have l10n
[16:13] <seb128> ricotz, why not?
[16:13] <ricotz> the RC1 seems reasonable though
[16:14] <ricotz> seb128, we just have beta 1 in the ppa
[16:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, I trust you, whenever you think is right
[16:14] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah. not yet ;)
[16:14] <seb128> anyway, no need to block the meeting on that dicussion
[16:14] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark1
[16:14] <ricotz> and this is kind of a critical element to use ;)
[16:14] <seb128> #topic other topics
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[16:14] <seb128> ricotz, yeah, it's also an unstable distro
[16:14] <seb128> not a production one
[16:15] <seb128> we don't want to make things not work
[16:15] <seb128> but we also want early feedback and not being overconservative
[16:15] <Laney> last meeting of the year
[16:15] <Laney> happy holidays!
[16:15] <ricotz> (I know, still there are reasons for it to be beta ;P)
[16:15] <seb128> indeed, I was going to say
[16:15] <didrocks> who is there next week?
[16:15] <didrocks> o/
[16:15] <seb128> happy holidays everyone!
[16:15] <ricotz> hohoho
[16:16] <didrocks> here*
[16:16] <Laney> didrocks: you are?
[16:16] <didrocks> yep
[16:16] <Laney> going to be quiet for you I think :)
[16:16] <didrocks> seems so :)
[16:16]  * Laney will watch your webcam to make sure you are working
[16:17] <didrocks> Laney: guess which finger am I showing up to you right now? :)
[16:17] <Laney> thumb
[16:17] <didrocks> I am*
[16:17] <Laney> pointing upwards
[16:17] <didrocks> sure sure :)
[16:17] <seb128> from hr.c.c there are not so many people off
[16:17] <didrocks> many other didn't set it in the calendar or are not reading the meeting :)
[16:17] <Laney> the mail said assume everyone is off
[16:17] <seb128> robert&luke&laney&attente&sweetshark&willcooke&me
[16:17] <Laney> so I guess that at least means there is no meeting
[16:18] <seb128> right
[16:18] <seb128> no meeting
[16:18] <desrt> fascinating
[16:18] <seb128> but it seems half the team is still working
[16:18] <desrt> see you all next year :)
[16:18]  * Laney group hug
[16:18] <seb128> ok, let's wrap on that
[16:18] <seb128> #endmeeting
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[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 16:18:28 2015 UTC.
[16:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-12-15-15.31.moin.txt
[16:18] <Laney> keep an eye on telegram
[16:18] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:18] <Laney> for pix
[16:18] <seb128> :-)
[16:18] <Laney> like the one I just sent
[16:18] <didrocks> thanks guys!
[16:18] <attente> thanks
[16:20] <seb128> Laney, hehe, larsu should send one back from his niece!
[16:20] <Laney> consuming huge block of cheese
[16:21]  * desrt listening to snow day
[16:21] <Laney> snow would be good
[16:21] <desrt> no kidding
[16:21] <seb128> Laney, what webkitgtk users are still needed porting if we drop s-c?
[16:21] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[16:21] <desrt> we've had double-digits here :(
[16:21] <Laney> these temperatures are mad
[16:21] <seb128> same here
[16:21] <seb128> wth with winter
[16:22] <desrt> http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-128_metric_e.html
[16:22] <desrt> currently 10°c.  wtf.
[16:22] <desrt> oo!  -1 on saturday!!
[16:22] <seb128> the only good part about that is that the drive for holidays is going to be easy
[16:22] <attente> xclaesse: i revised the apparmor patches, it'll probably take some time to review since it's holiday season, but it should look something like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14029227/ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14029217/
[16:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, the dependencies for Braille are run-time dependencies, additional filters to turn formatted text into a Braille with transscription of the formatations.
[16:23]  * attente hopes for snow
[16:23] <Laney> seb128: software-center for the iso I think
[16:23] <Laney> we have devhelp and evolution in main at least too
[16:23] <seb128> I guess we could talk about demoting those
[16:23] <Laney> devhelp is on wk2 actually, probably just needs to move over
[16:23] <Laney> so evolution
[16:23] <Laney> that could probably go
[16:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, I think I will split the binary packages to get a separate cups-filters-braille package and this one can stay in Universe.
[16:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, I would split the binary and have the braille support in universe then
[16:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, good choice
[16:24] <didrocks> tkamppeter: sounds like the best bet
[16:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[16:24] <Laney> I think anyway, will look next* week
[16:24]  * Laney has a calendar reminder for that
[16:24] <xclaesse> attente, looks good to me, thanks
[16:24] <xclaesse> attente, in the meantime I wrote a simple keyfile
[16:24] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: checking schedules and my vacation 5.1.0~rc1 in the second week of january might be a good goal for xenial. addendum for the weekly report: also bumped the ppa to 4.4.7 upstream release for vivid.
[16:25] <tkamppeter> seb128, unfortunately, themuso is already EOY, otherwise we could ask him about the importance of the Braille printing support and about whether he would run the MIRs if he wants it in Main.
[16:26] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, k, thanks
[16:27] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, I wouldn't bother much about vivid at this point, it's neither current stable nor a LTS
[16:27] <seb128> tkamppeter, yeah, I'm unsure he knows how common those printers are though ... let's split to universe to start and we can discuss MIR if somebody makes a case for promoting
[16:28] <seb128> Laney, do you have a Debian desktop install fs handy?
[16:28] <attente> xclaesse: there's also a way to "yes-no" query if a particular path is readable/read-writable, but i guess you don't really need it. but it should be available if your requirements change (this is all pending the review, of course)
[16:28] <tkamppeter> seb128, OK.
[16:29] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah. 4.4.7 was an extra dot release. usually .6 would have been the last. However, my 4.4.7 build is also the base for ricotz backports to trusty/precise. Easy to just do that than to have nagging mails why the last 4.4 release is missing.
[16:29] <xclaesse> attente, awesome
[16:29] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, right, if it's not too much work...
[16:29] <xclaesse> attente, can you give me the link to the new patches please?
[16:29] <xclaesse> attente, does it need kernel side patches as well?
[16:29] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: one only ever knows after the fact, but this one was quick ;)
[16:30] <attente> xclaesse: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/apparmor/2015-December/008939.html
[16:30] <tkamppeter> seb128, how can I let cups-browsed have different default settings (in /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf) on the phone and on the desktop?
[16:30] <Laney> seb128: a filesystem?
[16:31] <xclaesse> attente, thanks
[16:31] <attente> xclaesse: yes, there is a kernel patch (in that mail). it applies on the xenial kernel, but i haven't tried to apply it on the upstream one. i doubt that would work...
[16:31] <xclaesse> attente, what tool are you using for fetching those patches?
[16:32]  * xclaesse is always surprised that in 2015 we still don't share patches as a real git branch
[16:32] <attente> xclaesse: for the apparmor user space, you can apply them on the upstream bazaar branch after doing a git init in the directory
[16:33] <attente> it sucks, but it's what i did to produce them in the first place...
[16:34] <mitya57> seb128, xclaesse: code in that merge proposal is no longer actual, nowadays gtkheaderbar reads the layout from XSettings
[16:35] <mitya57> (and unity-settings-daemon reads the setting in gsettings, does some translation, and makes it available on XSettings)
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I want to know what cursor themes are installed in /usr/share/icons and if they provide the icons for "progress" and "text"
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, so basically need a find on an unpack tree
[16:35] <seb128> no need of a running instance
[16:36] <seb128> is Debian doing live session isos nowadays?
[16:36] <seb128> mitya57, thanks, that's what larsu replied earlier
[16:39] <seb128> mitya57, just curious, but if python-keyring builds fine without python-fs couldn't you just drop that b-d in debian and have the package in sync?
[16:39] <xclaesse> mitya57, yep, got it, I'll work on it during my Christmas vacations
[16:39] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks for looking at that!
[16:39] <Laney> seb128: mine isn't clean
[16:40] <Laney> you can probably install task-gnome-desktop in a chroot th ough
[16:40] <seb128> unclean is probably fine
[16:41] <seb128> but if it's work don't bother, it's probably not worth it
[16:42] <seb128> trying to tell gedit upstream that those are "not standard" because our themes don't ship them is probably not going to be the right way anyway
[16:42] <seb128> we should probably fix our themes to have symlinks
[16:42] <seb128> seems like that's what fedora/adwaita does
[16:42] <seb128> like progress->left_ptr_watch
[16:42] <seb128> which all themes have
[16:43] <xclaesse> seb128, no promise, but it's getting on my nerves so I think I'll just stop complaining and just fix it :p
[16:43] <seb128> :-)
[16:43] <tkamppeter> seb128, see also Debian bug 808057
[16:43] <ubot5> Debian bug 808057 in cups-filters "Please demote dependency on liblouisutdm1-bin" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/808057
[16:44] <Laney> seems it's adwaita
[16:45] <seb128> k
[16:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, right, confirms what we said
[16:47]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night!
[16:48] <mitya57> seb128, https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/python-modules/packages/python-keyring.git/commit/?id=4d47c1c01e91f1172a4bbf88be32a04b168b1fd0
[16:48] <mitya57> I will upload 5.7.1 soonish, and sync that.
[16:48] <seb128> mitya57, great, thanks
[16:49] <qengho> Isn't there some way to make dpkg-source or something not unpack some files from the orig tarball? I only see some debian/source/options param to exclude some pattern on creation, but that's not what I want.
[16:52] <Laney> no
[16:52] <Laney> what do you want that for?
[16:53] <qengho> Laney: As of last week, Chromium ships with some binutils and compilers and such. I want to make sure I'm not using them, ever.
[16:55] <Laney> remove them in the clean target or repack the tarball you get from upstream
[16:55] <qengho> Laney: And I don't want to repack the orig tarball. I've gone out of my way to make sure I am not the weakest point if Large Government security agency wants to slip some backdoor into some big opaque software, so I check upstream checksums in build machines.
[16:55] <qengho> Okay. clean it is.
[17:08]  * qengho lunch
[17:15] <mterry> Is anyone else dogfooding webbrowser-app?  Looks like it's broken for me on xenial desktop now.  Just want confirmation
[17:16] <mterry> Doesn't seem to finish loading any page
[17:18] <seb128> let me try
[17:18] <seb128> is that unity7 or unity8 session?
[17:19] <seb128> mterry, wfm
[17:19] <seb128> on  unity7
[17:21] <mterry> seb128, unity7
[17:21] <mterry> humph
[17:22] <tkamppeter> seb128, splitting I have done now on Debian's GIT repo of cups-filters, so we only need to wait for the next release by Debian which will auto-sync into Ubuntu.
[17:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, well done!
[17:31] <seb128> wooot, Laney cleaning red lines ;-)
[17:36] <Laney> o\
[17:39] <tkamppeter> seb128, how can I let cups-browsed have different default settings (in /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf) on the phone and on the desktop?
[17:41] <seb128> tkamppeter, try having a look to what they did with bluez, I'm unsure what's the best way, I think they do something like changing the code/scripts to load an alternative config is present and they install that alternative config in some touch package
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[18:12] <ricotz> seb128, hi, are you available to sponsor a merge of gettext?
[18:15]  * Trevinho waves... And goes decorating the xmas tree!
[18:17] <seb128> ricotz, I can do that
[18:17] <seb128> Trevinho, have fun, post a photo for us on the group once you had it decorated ;-)
[18:18] <ricotz> seb128, great, ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gettext/+bug/1526373 -- it is still building though -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/5776623/+listing-archive-extra
[18:18] <seb128> ricotz, ok, I have a look in a few minutes
[18:18] <seb128> thanks for working on that!
[18:18] <ricotz> yeah, quite an important one ;)
[18:27] <tkamppeter> seb128, I did not see anything in bluez which makes a difference between desktop and phone.
[18:44] <seb128> tkamppeter, try asking morphix
[19:12] <qengho> I'm digging the progress bar on apt-get invocations.
[19:20] <tkamppeter> seb128, morphix or morphis?
[19:21] <tkamppeter> seb128, Simon Busch?
[19:23] <seb128> tkamppeter, yes
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[20:36] <tkamppeter> On a merge proposal I got the answer "Review: Approve; LGTM but needs proper landing through the citrain", what do I have to do now?
[20:49] <desrt> xnox: didn't realise you were back.  welcome :)