| daftykins | doesn't seem like i've been away from it all that long, but time to head back to bed :) g'night folks | 00:13 |
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| Bashing-om | sleep tight daftykins . No bed bugs to bite ! | 00:16 |
| Bashing-om | Our ranks are dwindling - as the world turns and sleep overtakes us - // No EriC^^ has returned ! | 02:03 |
| nicomachus | Bashing-om: man, Childhood's End really draws you in right away. I'm only ~15 mins in but it's great so far. | 02:10 |
| Bashing-om | nicomachus: I was afraid that would happen .. but the commercials .. I just can not cope with them . | 02:11 |
| nicomachus | lol, just grab it online tomorrow then. :) | 02:12 |
| Bashing-om | nicomachus: I was caught wandering off channel .. IRT maldridge ; nope I would rather not hazard a guess on running a script of that nature. Never done it so do not know much . | 02:51 |
| nicomachus | np, I think it's resolved. I just haven't messed around with cron jobs much so didn't want him to do it solely off my suggestion. Only tagged you because I knew you were somewhere close by. | 02:52 |
| Bashing-om | nicomachus: Well I guess we will have to redefine 'close' as in only counts in Love, hand grenades and irc . | 02:56 |
| nicomachus | ha | 02:57 |
| pauljw | gnite all | 03:53 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning guys | 07:31 |
| EriC^^ | morning lotuspsychje | 07:32 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 07:32 |
| EriC^^ | what's up? | 07:33 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: TJ- thinks that gtx 920m issue could be firmware efi GOP bug or something | 07:33 |
| EriC^^ | i see | 07:34 |
| EriC^^ | man fuck this weather | 07:34 |
| EriC^^ | it's so cold and gloomy too | 07:34 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: yeah here also, grey and cold wind | 07:35 |
| lotuspsychje | seems like it gonna be a gray xmass :p | 07:35 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 07:35 |
| lotuspsychje | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/12/08/uavia-unveils-first-100-remotely-controlled-drones-powered-by-ubuntu/ | 07:38 |
| lotuspsychje | soon our world gonna look like half life2 | 07:38 |
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| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 11:41 |
| MooDoo | morning | 11:47 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon mates | 13:59 |
| * TJ- waves | 14:00 | |
| lotuspsychje | hey TJ- | 14:00 |
| BluesKaj | hi lotuspsychje, TJ- | 14:02 |
| lotuspsychje | hey BluesKaj | 14:02 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, what's happening today ? | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | oh nothing much, just came in easy BluesKaj :p | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | no big ubuntu news articles today neither | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | OMGubuntu has become very lazy also | 14:05 |
| lotuspsychje | 1 month nothing new | 14:05 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, the devs are a bit stressed over a kubunt-devel with all the problems plasma 5.5 builds are giving | 14:07 |
| lotuspsychje | ouch | 14:07 |
| BluesKaj | but they are making good progress | 14:07 |
| BluesKaj | IMO at least :-) | 14:08 |
| TJ- | we have a GRUB CVE that upstream haven't addressed as yet; might get some folks asking about it. Might not get addressed before the Christmas holiday. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-8370.html | 14:09 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome slidinghorn | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | slidinghorn: the idea behind it is, we do support much but never actually can talk in main | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | so here we are | 14:28 |
| slidinghorn | Thanks - I'll add this to my faves | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | cool! | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | slidinghorn: we discuss also here to get support better, or latest ubuntu news | 14:29 |
| slidinghorn | Is there any talk of updating the ubottu information? Some factoids are gone, and the usage info link is no good | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | slidinghorn: there is a way to submit new factoid data, but ive tried it few times | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | and never get changed.. | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | !factoid | 14:31 |
| ubot5 | Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me: /msg ubot5 botclone | 14:31 |
| OerHeks | with all these transits (like SystemD), lots of info is version-dependend | 14:31 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/arnold-s-t-800-terminator-uses-the-linux-kernel-4-1-5-released-today-497653.shtml | 14:41 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 14:41 |
| slidinghorn | lotuspsychje: that's awesome | 14:46 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 14:46 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl guys city walk | 14:49 |
| daftykins | those pesky other distro runners | 17:13 |
| daftykins | ugh, i was trying to connect up each pin of a bank of 6 ports on this patch panel i have, but they don't reliably have continuity from the first to the 6th | 17:13 |
| daftykins | looks like i'm gonna have to send it back =/ | 17:13 |
| nicomachus | it's an ubuntu variant just like lubuntu or kubuntu, isn't it? | 17:14 |
| daftykins | no whole other distro | 17:15 |
| slidinghorn | lol | 17:15 |
| slidinghorn | he hid it for a while | 17:15 |
| nicomachus | uname -a gave: Linux ghost 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:31:42 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux | 17:15 |
| daftykins | yeah it's a derivative just like mint might call the packages ubuntu, or elementary would - because it is based on it, but isn't it | 17:16 |
| nicomachus | ah I see. | 17:16 |
| nicomachus | my mistake then. | 17:16 |
| daftykins | OerHeks: hmm i was under the impression 32-bit runs faster on a 64-bit processor because it has twice the registers available | 17:33 |
| daftykins | TJ-: what do you make of that claim? | 17:33 |
| TJ- | huh? which claim? | 17:34 |
| OerHeks | Nope, indeed twice the registers, and longer, but setting to 32 bit uses clockcycles too | 17:35 |
| daftykins | TJ-: 32-bit OS faster or slower on a 64-bit CPU due to more registers? | 17:37 |
| OerHeks | >> 64 bit processors should be sold with a minimum of 4 gb, to get full power/features. but 2 gb will do, some say it will run -0.5% ... but running 32 bit on a 64 bit processor also runs slower :-D | 17:37 |
| TJ- | 32-bit executables on 64-bit are no different to on 32-bit; what is different is that in 'long' mode (64-bit) the CPU can read/write memory in larger chunks. 64-bit mode is much faster since 64-bit exectuables are compiled to use the extra registers, which are also twice as wide, and there are additional instructions available that are faster than the 32-bit equivalents | 17:37 |
| OerHeks | but are they activated in a 32 bit os? | 17:38 |
| TJ- | what 'they'? | 17:38 |
| OerHeks | tose additional instructions/extensions | 17:38 |
| TJ- | No | 17:38 |
| OerHeks | *those | 17:38 |
| daftykins | does a 32-bit OS only make use of the same number of registers in 32-bit mode then, or can it make use of each as two? | 17:39 |
| OerHeks | that is what i thought too. | 17:39 |
| OerHeks | more registers. | 17:39 |
| daftykins | argh typo | 17:39 |
| TJ- | the OS is built to an architecture; a 32-bit build knows about the 32-bit registers and instructions only | 17:39 |
| slidinghorn | fyi.... _ryan_ is me...just didn't wanna miss the conversation while I had a cigarette, lol | 17:39 |
| daftykins | hmm think i don't understand the makeup of a processor well enough then | 17:40 |
| daftykins | however i must head out the door, so bbl o/ | 17:40 |
| TJ- | This is why we have lowest-common-denominator builds.. You recall when we stopped building for any CPU that doesn't support PAE, and MMX | 17:40 |
| OerHeks | and there are differences in amd and intel too, but i stopped noting the differences | 17:40 |
| TJ- | our 'i386' packages are actually 'i686' builds | 17:40 |
| TJ- | The reason ARM is so powerful for its relative size it is more RISC oriented and has always had lots of registers to avoid needing to use memory read/writes - so for example function calls can pass all arguments in registers, rather than on the memory stack | 17:44 |
| _ryan_ | I need to learn how all this stuff actually works...my eyes just crossed a little lol | 17:47 |
| pauljw | hi everyone | 18:11 |
| slidinghorn | howdy pauljw | 18:11 |
| pauljw | hi slidinghorn | 18:11 |
| BluesKaj | hey pauljw, slidinghorn | 18:14 |
| slidinghorn | how is everyone during this brief moment of silence in the support channel? lol | 18:17 |
| pauljw | BluesKaj, :) | 18:17 |
| BluesKaj | fine here, just not enough sleep | 18:18 |
| pauljw | too funny, almost exactly what i was typing | 18:18 |
| * slidinghorn hasn't slept and has to leave for work in like 40 min | 18:19 | |
| pauljw | ouch | 18:19 |
| slidinghorn | luckily it should be a short shift...opening bartender on a tuesday afternoon/evening usually gets out by 8 or 9 | 18:19 |
| pauljw | ah, not bad | 18:20 |
| BluesKaj | wide awake at 4AM, been dozing a bit in my easy chair, but think I'll heading for a nap soon | 18:23 |
| pauljw | :) | 18:24 |
| slidinghorn | now that sounds like a plan I could abide to | 18:24 |
| pauljw | bbl guys, just informed that i need to make a run to the store... :) | 18:25 |
| BluesKaj | gonna switch over to 14.04, this plasma 5 desktop is slow and clunky after the latest frameworks ppa upgrade it's still missing some kios I think..brb | 18:31 |
| BluesKaj | that's better, smooth and fast | 18:35 |
| Bashing-om | nicomachus: I see you are diving in deep once more . Amazing what we learn that-a-way - olo - . | 19:44 |
| OerHeks | if a client can explain the issue, he could fix it himself, 9 out of 10 times | 19:46 |
| nicomachus | idk why I even started to try... | 19:46 |
| nicomachus | andddd he left. | 19:49 |
| Bashing-om | nicomachus: Inquiring minds want to know ? You love this operating system of choice, and want to share the joy ? Doing your bit for the benifit of humanity ? | 19:50 |
| nicomachus | bored at work, 9 times out of 10. lol | 19:50 |
| nicomachus | also I like the challenge. | 19:50 |
| Bashing-om | Like one told me long ago .. beats doing jug saw puzzles . | 19:53 |
| nicomachus | ha! true. | 19:53 |
| Bashing-om | MonkeyDust: o/ ; Welcome to the party ... seems slow presently . ( 15 minutes on here ) . | 19:58 |
| MonkeyDust | oi | 20:01 |
| Bashing-om | While it is slow - Smokers Draw one ! | 20:06 |
| OerHeks | Co² make trees grow, so those globalwarmingdudes are wrong | 20:08 |
| nicomachus | Noooo I just quit! Don't tempt me. | 20:08 |
| * OerHeks smokes another sigaret & combs his long blond curly hair | 20:09 | |
| * Bashing-om brushes curley locks back out of eyes | 20:10 | |
| OerHeks | it is sóóó boring in #ubuntu, even the trolls stay away | 20:11 |
| nicomachus | here you go, from another channel: | 20:12 |
| nicomachus | <+DANtheBEASTman> ok, bit of a challenge here. i'm on my laptop at work running a live cd. i have my external HDD. i want to make an arch install to my exthdd while i'm here that I can then basically rsync to my desktop at home where i have no internet | 20:12 |
| nicomachus | could he install on the external HDD and then just dd it over to the laptop? | 20:13 |
| OerHeks | most of the times, laptops fail to boot from ext hdd | 20:16 |
| BluesKaj | a usb stick would solve the problem | 20:16 |
| OerHeks | and in ubuntu one could set softwarecenter to download only, maybe arch can do that too | 20:17 |
| nicomachus | I think he's intentionally making it harder on himself... | 20:17 |
| BluesKaj | dd the iso to the stick then install at home off the stick | 20:17 |
| OerHeks | let him download the whole arch repo :-D | 20:17 |
| OerHeks | to be sure | 20:17 |
| nicomachus | he's always complaining about bandwidth. :/ poor guy probably has strict limits. gets mad when people link to imgur without directly linking the image, stuff like that. | 20:18 |
| BluesKaj | why arch anyway it's a pita to install and doesn't have any advantages over ubuntu | 20:18 |
| daftykins | nicomachus: +1 to making it harder, typical users ;) | 20:18 |
| daftykins | heh sounds like what that guy needs is an estate agent | 20:19 |
| nicomachus | because it's #rice... they're mostly script kiddies and think that the harder a distro is to install/use, the better it must be. | 20:19 |
| OerHeks | when the 1st time i seen dsl internet 256/64 .. i was amazed :-D | 20:19 |
| Bashing-om | If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download cript. See also APTonCD . Linux, if it is hard, you are doing something wrong . | 20:19 |
| * EriC^^ heads for the #ubuntu-discuss kitchen | 20:46 | |
| Bashing-om | ^ again ? ! ( an he gains not an once ) . | 20:50 |
| EriC^^ | :P | 20:51 |
| OerHeks | chicken! | 20:51 |
| Bashing-om | Black forest ham . | 20:51 |
| nicomachus | steakkkk | 20:53 |
| Bashing-om | Did Paul and BluesKaj both look in the #ubuntu-discuss fridge/pantry, and come away disappointed ? recon ? | 21:01 |
| OerHeks | chicken :-D | 21:01 |
| nicomachus | such circular conversations. | 21:29 |
| Bashing-om | nicomachus: Uh huh .. why can it not be " because we said it " ; and let that be the end of it ! | 21:30 |
| daftykins | mm i think ikonia is having a daftykins-style bad day | 21:30 |
| nicomachus | someone give him a cookie. | 21:32 |
| daftykins | oh no that'd be the wrong meaning :D | 21:36 |
| nicomachus | did anyone suggest the mini.iso for this guy, or would that be the wrong route? | 21:37 |
| nicomachus | I missed the beginning | 21:37 |
| OerHeks | sure i did, mini iso and --no-install-recommends | 21:39 |
| Bashing-om | nicomachus: Best I recall was recommended, and he threw a fuss at that suggestion . | 21:39 |
| OerHeks | but hey, i am just an ubuntu member, hips | 21:39 |
| daftykins | nicomachus: the minimalist one? yeah i did | 21:40 |
| daftykins | i think the task got sidelined by the argument though ;) | 21:40 |
| nicomachus | "lovely" | 21:44 |
| * daftykins sings the 'you're wrong' song | 21:45 | |
| daftykins | this is beginning to feel like pulling teeth | 21:47 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Uh huh , but what else are we going to do on a beautiful suuny Tuesday - us gluttons for punishment - . | 21:49 |
| daftykins | :D | 21:49 |
| OerHeks | wow , with the Zorin Look Changer > Windows 7 XP GNOME2 Mac OS X Unity Windows 2000-interface | 21:50 |
| daftykins | i'm trying to remember if that was the distro some school kid made | 21:51 |
| nicomachus | "Thanks to Zorin OS's immunity to Windows viruses you will never have to worry about any of that nasty malware." | 21:52 |
| nicomachus | >never have to worry about malware... | 21:53 |
| nicomachus | I can't trust a distro that would say that. | 21:53 |
| daftykins | if you take it at face value though, it makes sense... it's clearly geared toward newbies too | 21:54 |
| MonkeyDust | i only trust the government, because they told me that i can | 21:54 |
| daftykins | MonkeyDust: :) | 21:54 |
| * nicomachus is the government | 21:54 | |
| daftykins | did anyone recently say that they only had luck with nvidia optimus setups when that intel update was also applied from ubuntu-drivers ? | 21:57 |
| daftykins | i forget what that helped with | 21:57 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Then also there are a few cases requiring the PCI data bases to be updated for new hardware . | 22:04 |
| daftykins | hrmm might need to see what lspci sees then | 22:05 |
| daftykins | ok, i really have to cook though so if anyone spots that user coming back do feel free to take over | 22:05 |
| daftykins | (tanepiper) | 22:05 |
| Bashing-om | k | 22:06 |
| nicomachus | time to go get my shining locks cut off | 22:15 |
| daftykins | :O | 22:16 |
| Tarminquay | http://ark.intel.com/products/77481/Intel-Core-i3-4130T-Processor-3M-Cache-2_90-GHz | 23:19 |
| Tarminquay | http://ark.intel.com/products/76609/Intel-Core-i3-4020Y-Processor-3M-Cache-1_50-GHz | 23:19 |
| Tarminquay | Which chip is better? | 23:19 |
| daftykins | this isn't a support chan :) | 23:20 |
| Tarminquay | It's a discussion channel. | 23:20 |
| Tarminquay | Where do you suggest I go? | 23:20 |
| OerHeks | http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/208/Intel_Core_i3_Mobile_i3-4020Y_vs_Intel_Core_i3_i3-4130T.html | 23:20 |
| daftykins | you should've given a compare link too | 23:20 |
| Tarminquay | How come the 2.9 GHz chip costs so much less? | 23:21 |
| Tarminquay | They want $120 vs $280. | 23:21 |
| daftykins | the T is a more capable part | 23:21 |
| Tarminquay | Is it much faster? | 23:21 |
| daftykins | that's because Y's are for mobile. | 23:21 |
| Tarminquay | The T costs much less. | 23:21 |
| daftykins | http://ark.intel.com/compare/77481,76609 | 23:21 |
| daftykins | here's what you should've linked | 23:22 |
| Tarminquay | Both the boxes utilizing these chips are very small. | 23:22 |
| OerHeks | t = top | 23:22 |
| daftykins | faster graphics on the T | 23:22 |
| Tarminquay | 2.9 GHz is way higher than 1.5 GHz | 23:22 |
| Tarminquay | shouldn't that mean the chip is way faster? | 23:22 |
| Tarminquay | The T costs almost 1/3 less than the Y. That's just because the Y runs so much cooler? | 23:23 |
| Tarminquay | Let me show you the boxes with these chips. | 23:23 |
| daftykins | i'm struggling to understand why you can't get that information from the above links | 23:23 |
| Tarminquay | http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1157&item_id=074291 | 23:23 |
| Tarminquay | This has the T. | 23:23 |
| OerHeks | 6watt vs 35w | 23:24 |
| Tarminquay | http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=26671105765 | 23:24 |
| Tarminquay | This has the Y. | 23:24 |
| Tarminquay | Notice that they're about the same price. | 23:24 |
| Tarminquay | In fact I found the T unit for the same price exactly as that Y unit there. | 23:24 |
| daftykins | the T is more capable due to its' being designed for a less power consumption conscious use-case | 23:24 |
| Tarminquay | Yes, the T unit has a fan. The Y unit is fanless. | 23:24 |
| Tarminquay | I just wonder if I would notice a difference in daily operations | 23:25 |
| daftykins | this is obvious from the TDP | 23:25 |
| Tarminquay | I don't do any gaming or anything intensive. | 23:25 |
| daftykins | even the T would be basic and suited toward office apps at the most | 23:25 |
| Tarminquay | The Y would struggle on even office aps? | 23:26 |
| Tarminquay | apps* | 23:26 |
| daftykins | 4GB is pretty rubbish for RAM in 2015 | 23:26 |
| daftykins | why are you looking at these small devices? | 23:26 |
| Tarminquay | I want a smaller unit. | 23:27 |
| Tarminquay | Just don't want a big noisy box. | 23:27 |
| Tarminquay | I can always add another 4 GB of ram for negligible cost. | 23:27 |
| daftykins | do you already own a display you'd intend to use with it? | 23:27 |
| Tarminquay | yes | 23:27 |
| daftykins | well you'd have to check they have two SODIMM slots | 23:28 |
| Tarminquay | They do. | 23:28 |
| daftykins | what input cable types does said display have? | 23:28 |
| Tarminquay | HDMI | 23:28 |
| daftykins | all set there then | 23:28 |
| Tarminquay | You think I can spend my money better on a larger unit without going for a noisy full-sized box? | 23:29 |
| Tarminquay | Like I say I don't need a lot of power. | 23:29 |
| daftykins | yes because noisy is defined by what's inside it | 23:29 |
| Tarminquay | Which box would you recommend? | 23:29 |
| daftykins | i'd recommend going to ##hardware because this channel is for ubuntu discussion | 23:29 |
| Tarminquay | I'm already there | 23:30 |
| Tarminquay | but it's pretty useless. | 23:30 |
| daftykins | yeah i've heard they're not too friendly :) | 23:30 |
| daftykins | sadly another channel being useless does not change the topic of another :) | 23:30 |
| Tarminquay | Ubuntu discussion isn't happening here anyway. | 23:31 |
| Tarminquay | By the way, I am putting Ubuntu MATE on my new unit. | 23:31 |
| Tarminquay | Thoughts on that distro? | 23:31 |
| Tarminquay | I'm going with 15.10. | 23:31 |
| daftykins | DE is a personal choice | 23:32 |
| daftykins | you folks that try to bend a channel's purpose to your own needs, it's highly selfish | 23:32 |
| Tarminquay | The DEs are developed by different people | 23:33 |
| Tarminquay | they're more different than you might think. | 23:33 |
| Tarminquay | Which DE are you using>? | 23:33 |
| daftykins | explorer.exe | 23:34 |
| Tarminquay | The Y chip is much more expensive than the T chip. | 23:34 |
| Tarminquay | That tells me that the unit with the Y chip is a better value | 23:35 |
| Tarminquay | given that they're priced the same. | 23:35 |
| daftykins | wrong. | 23:35 |
| Tarminquay | $280 vs $117. Says it right on the Intel page. | 23:35 |
| daftykins | we've already said our piece, if you still don't understand, then you'll need to do some reading | 23:35 |
| Tarminquay | $280 is pretty costly for a CPU. | 23:36 |
| Tarminquay | The whole box is selling for $420 with 4 GB of ram and a 64 GB SSD. | 23:36 |
| Tarminquay | And that's $420 Canadian. | 23:37 |
| Tarminquay | The $280 is American. | 23:37 |
| Tarminquay | Hell of a buy it seems. | 23:37 |
| daftykins | those prices are not what end up in systems, you can't just convert and subtract | 23:37 |
| daftykins | a Y would be utterly rubbish | 23:37 |
| Tarminquay | The manufacturer has to buy the CPUs from Intel. | 23:37 |
| daftykins | i'm going to stop replying now | 23:37 |
| daftykins | sorry but you don't understand. | 23:38 |
| Tarminquay | You sound like you got a tack up yourr ass, dafty. | 23:38 |
| OerHeks | y is soldered on | 23:39 |
| Tarminquay | Somebody want to remove the tack from his ass? | 23:39 |
| Tarminquay | OerHeks: Meaning what? | 23:39 |
| TJ- | Tarminquay: don't be rude; daftykins has already provided plenty of advice outside the remit of this channel | 23:39 |
| daftykins | all the other Canadians i've met on freenode have been ace :) you let them down by being rude and trying to make something personal | 23:39 |
| Tarminquay | "No more desktops for me / would rather eat potato chips and have a heart attack" | 23:42 |
| Tarminquay | Why would he say that? | 23:42 |
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