[00:13] doesn't seem like i've been away from it all that long, but time to head back to bed :) g'night folks [00:16] sleep tight daftykins . No bed bugs to bite ! [02:03] Our ranks are dwindling - as the world turns and sleep overtakes us - // No EriC^^ has returned ! [02:10] Bashing-om: man, Childhood's End really draws you in right away. I'm only ~15 mins in but it's great so far. [02:11] nicomachus: I was afraid that would happen .. but the commercials .. I just can not cope with them . [02:12] lol, just grab it online tomorrow then. :) [02:51] nicomachus: I was caught wandering off channel .. IRT maldridge ; nope I would rather not hazard a guess on running a script of that nature. Never done it so do not know much . [02:52] np, I think it's resolved. I just haven't messed around with cron jobs much so didn't want him to do it solely off my suggestion. Only tagged you because I knew you were somewhere close by. [02:56] nicomachus: Well I guess we will have to redefine 'close' as in only counts in Love, hand grenades and irc . [02:57] ha [03:53] gnite all [07:31] good morning guys [07:32] morning lotuspsychje [07:32] hey EriC^^ [07:33] what's up? [07:33] EriC^^: TJ- thinks that gtx 920m issue could be firmware efi GOP bug or something [07:34] i see [07:34] man fuck this weather [07:34] it's so cold and gloomy too [07:35] EriC^^: yeah here also, grey and cold wind [07:35] seems like it gonna be a gray xmass :p [07:35] lol [07:38] https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/12/08/uavia-unveils-first-100-remotely-controlled-drones-powered-by-ubuntu/ [07:38] soon our world gonna look like half life2 === ffio is now known as kook [11:41] 'Morning all [11:47] morning [13:59] good afternoon mates [14:00] * TJ- waves [14:00] hey TJ- [14:02] hi lotuspsychje, TJ- [14:02] hey BluesKaj [14:04] lotuspsychje, what's happening today ? [14:04] oh nothing much, just came in easy BluesKaj :p [14:04] no big ubuntu news articles today neither [14:05] OMGubuntu has become very lazy also [14:05] 1 month nothing new [14:07] yeah, the devs are a bit stressed over a kubunt-devel with all the problems plasma 5.5 builds are giving [14:07] ouch [14:07] but they are making good progress [14:08] IMO at least :-) [14:09] we have a GRUB CVE that upstream haven't addressed as yet; might get some folks asking about it. Might not get addressed before the Christmas holiday. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-8370.html [14:27] welcome slidinghorn [14:28] slidinghorn: the idea behind it is, we do support much but never actually can talk in main [14:28] so here we are [14:28] Thanks - I'll add this to my faves [14:28] cool! [14:29] slidinghorn: we discuss also here to get support better, or latest ubuntu news [14:30] Is there any talk of updating the ubottu information? Some factoids are gone, and the usage info link is no good [14:30] slidinghorn: there is a way to submit new factoid data, but ive tried it few times [14:30] and never get changed.. [14:31] !factoid [14:31] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me: /msg ubot5 botclone [14:31] with all these transits (like SystemD), lots of info is version-dependend [14:41] http://news.softpedia.com/news/arnold-s-t-800-terminator-uses-the-linux-kernel-4-1-5-released-today-497653.shtml [14:41] lol [14:46] lotuspsychje: that's awesome [14:46] :p [14:49] bbl guys city walk [17:13] those pesky other distro runners [17:13] ugh, i was trying to connect up each pin of a bank of 6 ports on this patch panel i have, but they don't reliably have continuity from the first to the 6th [17:13] looks like i'm gonna have to send it back =/ [17:14] it's an ubuntu variant just like lubuntu or kubuntu, isn't it? [17:15] no whole other distro [17:15] lol [17:15] he hid it for a while [17:15] uname -a gave: Linux ghost 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:31:42 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux [17:16] yeah it's a derivative just like mint might call the packages ubuntu, or elementary would - because it is based on it, but isn't it [17:16] ah I see. [17:16] my mistake then. [17:33] OerHeks: hmm i was under the impression 32-bit runs faster on a 64-bit processor because it has twice the registers available [17:33] TJ-: what do you make of that claim? [17:34] huh? which claim? [17:35] Nope, indeed twice the registers, and longer, but setting to 32 bit uses clockcycles too [17:37] TJ-: 32-bit OS faster or slower on a 64-bit CPU due to more registers? [17:37] >> 64 bit processors should be sold with a minimum of 4 gb, to get full power/features. but 2 gb will do, some say it will run -0.5% ... but running 32 bit on a 64 bit processor also runs slower :-D [17:37] 32-bit executables on 64-bit are no different to on 32-bit; what is different is that in 'long' mode (64-bit) the CPU can read/write memory in larger chunks. 64-bit mode is much faster since 64-bit exectuables are compiled to use the extra registers, which are also twice as wide, and there are additional instructions available that are faster than the 32-bit equivalents [17:38] but are they activated in a 32 bit os? [17:38] what 'they'? [17:38] tose additional instructions/extensions [17:38] No [17:38] *those [17:39] does a 32-bit OS only make use of the same number of registers in 32-bit mode then, or can it make use of each as two? [17:39] that is what i thought too. [17:39] more registers. [17:39] argh typo [17:39] the OS is built to an architecture; a 32-bit build knows about the 32-bit registers and instructions only [17:39] fyi.... _ryan_ is me...just didn't wanna miss the conversation while I had a cigarette, lol [17:40] hmm think i don't understand the makeup of a processor well enough then [17:40] however i must head out the door, so bbl o/ [17:40] This is why we have lowest-common-denominator builds.. You recall when we stopped building for any CPU that doesn't support PAE, and MMX [17:40] and there are differences in amd and intel too, but i stopped noting the differences [17:40] our 'i386' packages are actually 'i686' builds [17:44] The reason ARM is so powerful for its relative size it is more RISC oriented and has always had lots of registers to avoid needing to use memory read/writes - so for example function calls can pass all arguments in registers, rather than on the memory stack [17:47] <_ryan_> I need to learn how all this stuff actually works...my eyes just crossed a little lol [18:11] hi everyone [18:11] howdy pauljw [18:11] hi slidinghorn [18:14] hey pauljw, slidinghorn [18:17] how is everyone during this brief moment of silence in the support channel? lol [18:17] BluesKaj, :) [18:18] fine here, just not enough sleep [18:18] too funny, almost exactly what i was typing [18:19] * slidinghorn hasn't slept and has to leave for work in like 40 min [18:19] ouch [18:19] luckily it should be a short shift...opening bartender on a tuesday afternoon/evening usually gets out by 8 or 9 [18:20] ah, not bad [18:23] wide awake at 4AM, been dozing a bit in my easy chair, but think I'll heading for a nap soon [18:24] :) [18:24] now that sounds like a plan I could abide to [18:25] bbl guys, just informed that i need to make a run to the store... :) [18:31] gonna switch over to 14.04, this plasma 5 desktop is slow and clunky after the latest frameworks ppa upgrade it's still missing some kios I think..brb [18:35] that's better, smooth and fast [19:44] nicomachus: I see you are diving in deep once more . Amazing what we learn that-a-way - olo - . [19:46] if a client can explain the issue, he could fix it himself, 9 out of 10 times [19:46] idk why I even started to try... [19:49] andddd he left. [19:50] nicomachus: Inquiring minds want to know ? You love this operating system of choice, and want to share the joy ? Doing your bit for the benifit of humanity ? [19:50] bored at work, 9 times out of 10. lol [19:50] also I like the challenge. [19:53] Like one told me long ago .. beats doing jug saw puzzles . [19:53] ha! true. [19:58] MonkeyDust: o/ ; Welcome to the party ... seems slow presently . ( 15 minutes on here ) . [20:01] oi [20:06] While it is slow - Smokers Draw one ! [20:08] Co² make trees grow, so those globalwarmingdudes are wrong [20:08] Noooo I just quit! Don't tempt me. [20:09] * OerHeks smokes another sigaret & combs his long blond curly hair [20:10] * Bashing-om brushes curley locks back out of eyes [20:11] it is sóóó boring in #ubuntu, even the trolls stay away [20:12] here you go, from another channel: [20:12] <+DANtheBEASTman> ok, bit of a challenge here. i'm on my laptop at work running a live cd. i have my external HDD. i want to make an arch install to my exthdd while i'm here that I can then basically rsync to my desktop at home where i have no internet [20:13] could he install on the external HDD and then just dd it over to the laptop? [20:16] most of the times, laptops fail to boot from ext hdd [20:16] a usb stick would solve the problem [20:17] and in ubuntu one could set softwarecenter to download only, maybe arch can do that too [20:17] I think he's intentionally making it harder on himself... [20:17] dd the iso to the stick then install at home off the stick [20:17] let him download the whole arch repo :-D [20:17] to be sure [20:18] he's always complaining about bandwidth. :/ poor guy probably has strict limits. gets mad when people link to imgur without directly linking the image, stuff like that. [20:18] why arch anyway it's a pita to install and doesn't have any advantages over ubuntu [20:18] nicomachus: +1 to making it harder, typical users ;) [20:19] heh sounds like what that guy needs is an estate agent [20:19] because it's #rice... they're mostly script kiddies and think that the harder a distro is to install/use, the better it must be. [20:19] when the 1st time i seen dsl internet 256/64 .. i was amazed :-D [20:19] If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download cript. See also APTonCD . Linux, if it is hard, you are doing something wrong . [20:46] * EriC^^ heads for the #ubuntu-discuss kitchen [20:50] ^ again ? ! ( an he gains not an once ) . [20:51] :P [20:51] chicken! [20:51] Black forest ham . [20:53] steakkkk [21:01] Did Paul and BluesKaj both look in the #ubuntu-discuss fridge/pantry, and come away disappointed ? recon ? [21:01] chicken :-D [21:29] such circular conversations. [21:30] nicomachus: Uh huh .. why can it not be " because we said it " ; and let that be the end of it ! [21:30] mm i think ikonia is having a daftykins-style bad day [21:32] someone give him a cookie. [21:36] oh no that'd be the wrong meaning :D [21:37] did anyone suggest the mini.iso for this guy, or would that be the wrong route? [21:37] I missed the beginning [21:39] sure i did, mini iso and --no-install-recommends [21:39] nicomachus: Best I recall was recommended, and he threw a fuss at that suggestion . [21:39] but hey, i am just an ubuntu member, hips [21:40] nicomachus: the minimalist one? yeah i did [21:40] i think the task got sidelined by the argument though ;) [21:44] "lovely" [21:45] * daftykins sings the 'you're wrong' song [21:47] this is beginning to feel like pulling teeth [21:49] daftykins: Uh huh , but what else are we going to do on a beautiful suuny Tuesday - us gluttons for punishment - . [21:49] :D [21:50] wow , with the Zorin Look Changer > Windows 7 XP GNOME2 Mac OS X Unity Windows 2000-interface [21:51] i'm trying to remember if that was the distro some school kid made [21:52] "Thanks to Zorin OS's immunity to Windows viruses you will never have to worry about any of that nasty malware." [21:53] >never have to worry about malware... [21:53] I can't trust a distro that would say that. [21:54] if you take it at face value though, it makes sense... it's clearly geared toward newbies too [21:54] i only trust the government, because they told me that i can [21:54] MonkeyDust: :) [21:54] * nicomachus is the government [21:57] did anyone recently say that they only had luck with nvidia optimus setups when that intel update was also applied from ubuntu-drivers ? [21:57] i forget what that helped with [22:04] daftykins: Then also there are a few cases requiring the PCI data bases to be updated for new hardware . [22:05] hrmm might need to see what lspci sees then [22:05] ok, i really have to cook though so if anyone spots that user coming back do feel free to take over [22:05] (tanepiper) [22:06] k [22:15] time to go get my shining locks cut off [22:16] :O [23:19] http://ark.intel.com/products/77481/Intel-Core-i3-4130T-Processor-3M-Cache-2_90-GHz [23:19] http://ark.intel.com/products/76609/Intel-Core-i3-4020Y-Processor-3M-Cache-1_50-GHz [23:19] Which chip is better? [23:20] this isn't a support chan :) [23:20] It's a discussion channel. [23:20] Where do you suggest I go? [23:20] http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/208/Intel_Core_i3_Mobile_i3-4020Y_vs_Intel_Core_i3_i3-4130T.html [23:20] you should've given a compare link too [23:21] How come the 2.9 GHz chip costs so much less? [23:21] They want $120 vs $280. [23:21] the T is a more capable part [23:21] Is it much faster? [23:21] that's because Y's are for mobile. [23:21] The T costs much less. [23:21] http://ark.intel.com/compare/77481,76609 [23:22] here's what you should've linked [23:22] Both the boxes utilizing these chips are very small. [23:22] t = top [23:22] faster graphics on the T [23:22] 2.9 GHz is way higher than 1.5 GHz [23:22] shouldn't that mean the chip is way faster? [23:23] The T costs almost 1/3 less than the Y. That's just because the Y runs so much cooler? [23:23] Let me show you the boxes with these chips. [23:23] i'm struggling to understand why you can't get that information from the above links [23:23] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1157&item_id=074291 [23:23] This has the T. [23:24] 6watt vs 35w [23:24] http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=26671105765 [23:24] This has the Y. [23:24] Notice that they're about the same price. [23:24] In fact I found the T unit for the same price exactly as that Y unit there. [23:24] the T is more capable due to its' being designed for a less power consumption conscious use-case [23:24] Yes, the T unit has a fan. The Y unit is fanless. [23:25] I just wonder if I would notice a difference in daily operations [23:25] this is obvious from the TDP [23:25] I don't do any gaming or anything intensive. [23:25] even the T would be basic and suited toward office apps at the most [23:26] The Y would struggle on even office aps? [23:26] apps* [23:26] 4GB is pretty rubbish for RAM in 2015 [23:26] why are you looking at these small devices? [23:27] I want a smaller unit. [23:27] Just don't want a big noisy box. [23:27] I can always add another 4 GB of ram for negligible cost. [23:27] do you already own a display you'd intend to use with it? [23:27] yes [23:28] well you'd have to check they have two SODIMM slots [23:28] They do. [23:28] what input cable types does said display have? [23:28] HDMI [23:28] all set there then [23:29] You think I can spend my money better on a larger unit without going for a noisy full-sized box? [23:29] Like I say I don't need a lot of power. [23:29] yes because noisy is defined by what's inside it [23:29] Which box would you recommend? [23:29] i'd recommend going to ##hardware because this channel is for ubuntu discussion [23:30] I'm already there [23:30] but it's pretty useless. [23:30] yeah i've heard they're not too friendly :) [23:30] sadly another channel being useless does not change the topic of another :) [23:31] Ubuntu discussion isn't happening here anyway. [23:31] By the way, I am putting Ubuntu MATE on my new unit. [23:31] Thoughts on that distro? [23:31] I'm going with 15.10. [23:32] DE is a personal choice [23:32] you folks that try to bend a channel's purpose to your own needs, it's highly selfish [23:33] The DEs are developed by different people [23:33] they're more different than you might think. [23:33] Which DE are you using>? [23:34] explorer.exe [23:34] The Y chip is much more expensive than the T chip. [23:35] That tells me that the unit with the Y chip is a better value [23:35] given that they're priced the same. [23:35] wrong. [23:35] $280 vs $117. Says it right on the Intel page. [23:35] we've already said our piece, if you still don't understand, then you'll need to do some reading [23:36] $280 is pretty costly for a CPU. [23:36] The whole box is selling for $420 with 4 GB of ram and a 64 GB SSD. [23:37] And that's $420 Canadian. [23:37] The $280 is American. [23:37] Hell of a buy it seems. [23:37] those prices are not what end up in systems, you can't just convert and subtract [23:37] a Y would be utterly rubbish [23:37] The manufacturer has to buy the CPUs from Intel. [23:37] i'm going to stop replying now [23:38] sorry but you don't understand. [23:38] You sound like you got a tack up yourr ass, dafty. [23:39] y is soldered on [23:39] Somebody want to remove the tack from his ass? [23:39] OerHeks: Meaning what? [23:39] Tarminquay: don't be rude; daftykins has already provided plenty of advice outside the remit of this channel [23:39] all the other Canadians i've met on freenode have been ace :) you let them down by being rude and trying to make something personal [23:42] "No more desktops for me / would rather eat potato chips and have a heart attack" [23:42] Why would he say that?