[00:13] <daftykins> doesn't seem like i've been away from it all that long, but time to head back to bed :) g'night folks
[00:16] <Bashing-om> sleep tight daftykins . No bed bugs to bite !
[02:03] <Bashing-om> Our ranks are dwindling - as the world turns and sleep overtakes us - //  No EriC^^ has returned !
[02:10] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: man, Childhood's End really draws you in right away. I'm only ~15 mins in but it's great so far.
[02:11] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I was afraid that would happen .. but the commercials .. I just can not cope with them .
[02:12] <nicomachus> lol, just grab it online tomorrow then. :)
[02:51] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I was caught wandering off channel .. IRT maldridge ; nope I would rather not hazard a guess on running a script of that nature. Never done it so do not know much .
[02:52] <nicomachus> np, I think it's resolved. I just haven't messed around with cron jobs much so didn't want him to do it solely off my suggestion. Only tagged you because I knew you were somewhere close by.
[02:56] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Well I guess we will have to redefine 'close' as in only counts in Love, hand grenades and irc .
[02:57] <nicomachus> ha
[03:53] <pauljw> gnite all
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning guys
[07:32] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[07:33] <EriC^^> what's up?
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: TJ- thinks that gtx 920m issue could be firmware efi GOP bug or something
[07:34] <EriC^^> i see
[07:34] <EriC^^> man fuck this weather
[07:34] <EriC^^> it's so cold and gloomy too
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah here also, grey and cold wind
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> seems like it gonna be a gray xmass :p
[07:35] <EriC^^> lol
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/12/08/uavia-unveils-first-100-remotely-controlled-drones-powered-by-ubuntu/
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> soon our world gonna look like half life2
[11:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:47] <MooDoo> morning
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon mates
[14:00]  * TJ- waves
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje, TJ-
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[14:04] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, what's happening today ?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> oh nothing much, just came in easy BluesKaj :p
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> no big ubuntu news articles today neither
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> OMGubuntu has become very lazy also
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> 1 month nothing new
[14:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, the devs are a bit stressed over a kubunt-devel with all the problems plasma 5.5 builds are giving
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[14:07] <BluesKaj> but they are making good progress
[14:08] <BluesKaj> IMO at least :-)
[14:09] <TJ-> we have a GRUB CVE that upstream haven't addressed as yet; might get some folks asking about it. Might not get addressed before the Christmas holiday. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-8370.html
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome slidinghorn
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: the idea behind it is, we do support much but never actually can talk in main
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> so here we are
[14:28] <slidinghorn> Thanks  -  I'll add this to my faves
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> cool!
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: we discuss also here to get support better, or latest ubuntu news
[14:30] <slidinghorn> Is there any talk of updating the ubottu information?  Some factoids are gone, and the usage info link is no good
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: there is a way to submit new factoid data, but ive tried it few times
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> and never get changed..
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> !factoid
[14:31] <OerHeks> with all these transits (like SystemD), lots of info is version-dependend
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/arnold-s-t-800-terminator-uses-the-linux-kernel-4-1-5-released-today-497653.shtml
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:46] <slidinghorn> lotuspsychje: that's awesome
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys city walk
[17:13] <daftykins> those pesky other distro runners
[17:13] <daftykins> ugh, i was trying to connect up each pin of a bank of 6 ports on this patch panel i have, but they don't reliably have continuity from the first to the 6th
[17:13] <daftykins> looks like i'm gonna have to send it back =/
[17:14] <nicomachus> it's an ubuntu variant just like lubuntu or kubuntu, isn't it?
[17:15] <daftykins> no whole other distro
[17:15] <slidinghorn> lol
[17:15] <slidinghorn> he hid it for a while
[17:15] <nicomachus> uname -a gave: Linux ghost 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri  May 2 23:31:42 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:16] <daftykins> yeah it's a derivative just like mint might call the packages ubuntu, or elementary would - because it is based on it, but isn't it
[17:16] <nicomachus> ah I see.
[17:16] <nicomachus> my mistake then.
[17:33] <daftykins> OerHeks: hmm i was under the impression 32-bit runs faster on a 64-bit processor because it has twice the registers available
[17:33] <daftykins> TJ-: what do you make of that claim?
[17:34] <TJ-> huh? which claim?
[17:35] <OerHeks> Nope, indeed twice the registers, and longer, but setting to 32 bit uses clockcycles too
[17:37] <daftykins> TJ-: 32-bit OS faster or slower on a 64-bit CPU due to more registers?
[17:37] <OerHeks> >> 64 bit processors should be sold with a minimum of 4 gb, to get full power/features. but 2 gb will do, some say it will run -0.5% ... but running 32 bit on a 64 bit processor also runs slower :-D
[17:37] <TJ-> 32-bit executables on 64-bit are no different to on 32-bit; what is different is that in 'long' mode (64-bit) the CPU can read/write memory in larger chunks. 64-bit mode is much faster since 64-bit exectuables are compiled to use the extra registers, which are also twice as wide, and there are additional instructions available that are faster than the 32-bit equivalents
[17:38] <OerHeks> but are they activated in a 32 bit os?
[17:38] <TJ-> what 'they'?
[17:38] <OerHeks> tose additional instructions/extensions
[17:38] <TJ-> No
[17:38] <OerHeks> *those
[17:39] <daftykins> does a 32-bit OS only make use of the same number of registers in 32-bit mode then, or can it make use of each as two?
[17:39] <OerHeks> that is what i thought too.
[17:39] <OerHeks> more registers.
[17:39] <daftykins> argh typo
[17:39] <TJ-> the OS is built to an architecture; a 32-bit build knows about the 32-bit registers and instructions only
[17:39] <slidinghorn> fyi.... _ryan_ is me...just didn't wanna miss the conversation while I had a cigarette, lol
[17:40] <daftykins> hmm think i don't understand the makeup of a processor well enough then
[17:40] <daftykins> however i must head out the door, so bbl o/
[17:40] <TJ-> This is why we have lowest-common-denominator builds.. You recall when we stopped building for any CPU that doesn't support PAE, and MMX
[17:40] <OerHeks> and there are differences in amd and intel too, but i stopped noting the differences
[17:40] <TJ-> our 'i386' packages are actually 'i686' builds
[17:44] <TJ-> The reason ARM is so powerful for its relative size it is more RISC oriented and has always had lots of registers to avoid needing to use memory read/writes - so for example function calls can pass all arguments in registers, rather than on the memory stack
[17:47] <_ryan_> I need to learn how all this stuff actually works...my eyes just crossed a little lol
[18:11] <pauljw> hi everyone
[18:11] <slidinghorn> howdy pauljw
[18:11] <pauljw> hi slidinghorn
[18:14] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw, slidinghorn
[18:17] <slidinghorn> how is everyone during this brief moment of silence in the support channel?  lol
[18:17] <pauljw> BluesKaj, :)
[18:18] <BluesKaj> fine here, just not enough sleep
[18:18] <pauljw> too funny, almost exactly what i was typing
[18:19]  * slidinghorn hasn't slept and has to leave for work in like 40 min
[18:19] <pauljw> ouch
[18:19] <slidinghorn> luckily it should be a short shift...opening bartender on a tuesday afternoon/evening usually gets out by 8 or 9
[18:20] <pauljw> ah, not bad
[18:23] <BluesKaj> wide awake at 4AM, been dozing a bit in my easy chair, but think I'll heading for a nap soon
[18:24] <pauljw> :)
[18:24] <slidinghorn> now that sounds like a plan I could abide to
[18:25] <pauljw> bbl guys, just informed that i need to make a run to the store... :)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> gonna switch over to 14.04, this plasma 5 desktop is slow and clunky after the latest frameworks ppa upgrade it's still missing some kios I think..brb
[18:35] <BluesKaj> that's better, smooth and fast
[19:44] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I see you are diving in deep once more . Amazing what we learn that-a-way - olo - .
[19:46] <OerHeks> if a client can explain the issue, he could fix it himself, 9 out of 10 times
[19:46] <nicomachus> idk why I even started to try...
[19:49] <nicomachus> andddd he left.
[19:50] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Inquiring minds want to know ? You love this operating system of choice, and want to share the joy ? Doing your bit for the benifit of humanity ?
[19:50] <nicomachus> bored at work, 9 times out of 10. lol
[19:50] <nicomachus> also I like the challenge.
[19:53] <Bashing-om> Like one told me long ago .. beats doing jug saw puzzles .
[19:53] <nicomachus> ha! true.
[19:58] <Bashing-om> MonkeyDust: o/ ; Welcome to the party ... seems slow presently . ( 15 minutes on here ) .
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> oi
[20:06] <Bashing-om> While it is slow - Smokers Draw one !
[20:08] <OerHeks> Co² make trees grow, so those globalwarmingdudes are wrong
[20:08] <nicomachus> Noooo I just quit! Don't tempt me.
[20:09]  * OerHeks smokes another sigaret & combs his long blond curly hair
[20:10]  * Bashing-om brushes curley locks back out of eyes
[20:11] <OerHeks> it is sóóó boring in #ubuntu, even the trolls stay away
[20:12] <nicomachus> here you go, from another channel:
 ok, bit of a challenge here. i'm on my laptop at work  running a live cd. i have my external HDD. i want to  make an arch install to my exthdd while i'm here that I  can then basically rsync to my desktop at home where i  have no internet
[20:13] <nicomachus> could he install on the external HDD and then just dd it over to the laptop?
[20:16] <OerHeks> most of the times, laptops fail to boot from ext hdd
[20:16] <BluesKaj> a usb stick would solve the problem
[20:17] <OerHeks> and in ubuntu one could set softwarecenter to download only, maybe arch can do that too
[20:17] <nicomachus> I think he's intentionally making it harder on himself...
[20:17] <BluesKaj> dd the iso to the stick then install at home off the stick
[20:17] <OerHeks> let him download the whole arch repo :-D
[20:17] <OerHeks> to be sure
[20:18] <nicomachus> he's always complaining about bandwidth. :/ poor guy probably has strict limits. gets mad when people link to imgur without directly linking the image, stuff like that.
[20:18] <BluesKaj> why arch anyway it's a pita to install and doesn't have any advantages over ubuntu
[20:18] <daftykins> nicomachus: +1 to making it harder, typical users ;)
[20:19] <daftykins> heh sounds like what that guy needs is an estate agent
[20:19] <nicomachus> because it's #rice... they're mostly script kiddies and think that the harder a distro is to install/use, the better it must be.
[20:19] <OerHeks> when the 1st time i seen dsl internet 256/64 .. i was amazed :-D
[20:19] <Bashing-om> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download cript. See also APTonCD . Linux, if it is hard, you are doing something wrong .
[20:46]  * EriC^^ heads for the #ubuntu-discuss kitchen
[20:50] <Bashing-om> ^ again ? ! ( an he gains not an once ) .
[20:51] <EriC^^> :P
[20:51] <OerHeks> chicken!
[20:51] <Bashing-om> Black forest ham .
[20:53] <nicomachus> steakkkk
[21:01] <Bashing-om> Did Paul and BluesKaj both look in the #ubuntu-discuss fridge/pantry, and come away disappointed ? recon ?
[21:01] <OerHeks> chicken :-D
[21:29] <nicomachus> such circular conversations.
[21:30] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Uh huh .. why can it not be " because we said it " ; and let that be the end of it !
[21:30] <daftykins> mm i think ikonia is having a daftykins-style bad day
[21:32] <nicomachus> someone give him a cookie.
[21:36] <daftykins> oh no that'd be the wrong meaning :D
[21:37] <nicomachus> did anyone suggest the mini.iso for this guy, or would that be the wrong route?
[21:37] <nicomachus> I missed the beginning
[21:39] <OerHeks> sure i did, mini iso and  --no-install-recommends
[21:39] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Best I recall was recommended, and he threw a fuss at that suggestion .
[21:39] <OerHeks> but hey, i am just an ubuntu member, hips
[21:40] <daftykins> nicomachus: the minimalist one? yeah i did
[21:40] <daftykins> i think the task got sidelined by the argument though ;)
[21:44] <nicomachus> "lovely"
[21:45]  * daftykins sings the 'you're wrong' song
[21:47] <daftykins> this is beginning to feel like pulling teeth
[21:49] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Uh huh , but what else are we going to do on a beautiful suuny Tuesday - us gluttons for punishment - .
[21:49] <daftykins> :D
[21:50] <OerHeks> wow , with the Zorin Look Changer > Windows 7 XP GNOME2 Mac OS X Unity Windows 2000-interface
[21:51] <daftykins> i'm trying to remember if that was the distro some school kid made
[21:52] <nicomachus> "Thanks to Zorin OS's immunity to Windows viruses you will never have to worry about any of that nasty malware."
[21:53] <nicomachus> >never have to worry about malware...
[21:53] <nicomachus> I can't trust a distro that would say that.
[21:54] <daftykins> if you take it at face value though, it makes sense... it's clearly geared toward newbies too
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> i only trust the government, because they told me that i can
[21:54] <daftykins> MonkeyDust: :)
[21:54]  * nicomachus is the government
[21:57] <daftykins> did anyone recently say that they only had luck with nvidia optimus setups when that intel update was also applied from ubuntu-drivers ?
[21:57] <daftykins> i forget what that helped with
[22:04] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Then also there are a few cases requiring the PCI data bases to be updated for new hardware .
[22:05] <daftykins> hrmm might need to see what lspci sees then
[22:05] <daftykins> ok, i really have to cook though so if anyone spots that user coming back do feel free to take over
[22:05] <daftykins> (tanepiper)
[22:06] <Bashing-om> k
[22:15] <nicomachus> time to go get my shining locks cut off
[22:16] <daftykins> :O
[23:19] <Tarminquay> http://ark.intel.com/products/77481/Intel-Core-i3-4130T-Processor-3M-Cache-2_90-GHz
[23:19] <Tarminquay> http://ark.intel.com/products/76609/Intel-Core-i3-4020Y-Processor-3M-Cache-1_50-GHz
[23:19] <Tarminquay> Which chip is better?
[23:20] <daftykins> this isn't a support chan :)
[23:20] <Tarminquay> It's a discussion channel.
[23:20] <Tarminquay> Where do you suggest I go?
[23:20] <OerHeks> http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/208/Intel_Core_i3_Mobile_i3-4020Y_vs_Intel_Core_i3_i3-4130T.html
[23:20] <daftykins> you should've given a compare link too
[23:21] <Tarminquay> How come the 2.9 GHz chip costs so much less?
[23:21] <Tarminquay> They want $120 vs $280.
[23:21] <daftykins> the T is a more capable part
[23:21] <Tarminquay> Is it much faster?
[23:21] <daftykins> that's because Y's are for mobile.
[23:21] <Tarminquay> The T costs much less.
[23:21] <daftykins> http://ark.intel.com/compare/77481,76609
[23:22] <daftykins> here's what you should've linked
[23:22] <Tarminquay> Both the boxes utilizing these chips are very small.
[23:22] <OerHeks> t = top
[23:22] <daftykins> faster graphics on the T
[23:22] <Tarminquay> 2.9 GHz is way higher than 1.5 GHz
[23:22] <Tarminquay> shouldn't that mean the chip is way faster?
[23:23] <Tarminquay> The T costs almost 1/3 less than the Y. That's just because the Y runs so much cooler?
[23:23] <Tarminquay> Let me show you the boxes with these chips.
[23:23] <daftykins> i'm struggling to understand why you can't get that information from the above links
[23:23] <Tarminquay> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1157&item_id=074291
[23:23] <Tarminquay> This has the T.
[23:24] <OerHeks> 6watt vs 35w
[23:24] <Tarminquay> http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=26671105765
[23:24] <Tarminquay> This has the Y.
[23:24] <Tarminquay> Notice that they're about the same price.
[23:24] <Tarminquay> In fact I found the T unit for the same price exactly as that Y unit there.
[23:24] <daftykins> the T is more capable due to its' being designed for a less power consumption conscious use-case
[23:24] <Tarminquay> Yes, the T unit has a fan. The Y unit is fanless.
[23:25] <Tarminquay> I just wonder if I would notice a difference in daily operations
[23:25] <daftykins> this is obvious from the TDP
[23:25] <Tarminquay> I don't do any gaming or anything intensive.
[23:25] <daftykins> even the T would be basic and suited toward office apps at the most
[23:26] <Tarminquay> The Y would struggle on even office aps?
[23:26] <Tarminquay> apps*
[23:26] <daftykins> 4GB is pretty rubbish for RAM in 2015
[23:26] <daftykins> why are you looking at these small devices?
[23:27] <Tarminquay> I want a smaller unit.
[23:27] <Tarminquay> Just don't want a big noisy box.
[23:27] <Tarminquay> I can always add another 4 GB of ram for negligible cost.
[23:27] <daftykins> do you already own a display you'd intend to use with it?
[23:27] <Tarminquay> yes
[23:28] <daftykins> well you'd have to check they have two SODIMM slots
[23:28] <Tarminquay> They do.
[23:28] <daftykins> what input cable types does said display have?
[23:28] <Tarminquay> HDMI
[23:28] <daftykins> all set there then
[23:29] <Tarminquay> You think I can spend my money better on a larger unit without going for a noisy full-sized box?
[23:29] <Tarminquay> Like I say I don't need a lot of power.
[23:29] <daftykins> yes because noisy is defined by what's inside it
[23:29] <Tarminquay> Which box would you recommend?
[23:29] <daftykins> i'd recommend going to ##hardware because this channel is for ubuntu discussion
[23:30] <Tarminquay> I'm already there
[23:30] <Tarminquay> but it's pretty useless.
[23:30] <daftykins> yeah i've heard they're not too friendly :)
[23:30] <daftykins> sadly another channel being useless does not change the topic of another :)
[23:31] <Tarminquay> Ubuntu discussion isn't happening here anyway.
[23:31] <Tarminquay> By the way, I am putting Ubuntu MATE on my new unit.
[23:31] <Tarminquay> Thoughts on that distro?
[23:31] <Tarminquay> I'm going with 15.10.
[23:32] <daftykins> DE is a personal choice
[23:32] <daftykins> you folks that try to bend a channel's purpose to your own needs, it's highly selfish
[23:33] <Tarminquay> The DEs are developed by different people
[23:33] <Tarminquay> they're more different than you might think.
[23:33] <Tarminquay> Which DE are you using>?
[23:34] <daftykins> explorer.exe
[23:34] <Tarminquay> The Y chip is much more expensive than the T chip.
[23:35] <Tarminquay> That tells me that the unit with the Y chip is a better value
[23:35] <Tarminquay> given that they're priced the same.
[23:35] <daftykins> wrong.
[23:35] <Tarminquay> $280 vs $117. Says it right on the Intel page.
[23:35] <daftykins> we've already said our piece, if you still don't understand, then you'll need to do some reading
[23:36] <Tarminquay> $280 is pretty costly for a CPU.
[23:36] <Tarminquay> The whole box is selling for $420 with 4 GB of ram and a 64 GB SSD.
[23:37] <Tarminquay> And that's $420 Canadian.
[23:37] <Tarminquay> The $280 is American.
[23:37] <Tarminquay> Hell of a buy it seems.
[23:37] <daftykins> those prices are not what end up in systems, you can't just convert and subtract
[23:37] <daftykins> a Y would be utterly rubbish
[23:37] <Tarminquay> The manufacturer has to buy the CPUs from Intel.
[23:37] <daftykins> i'm going to stop replying now
[23:38] <daftykins> sorry but you don't understand.
[23:38] <Tarminquay> You sound like you got a tack up yourr ass, dafty.
[23:39] <OerHeks> y is soldered on
[23:39] <Tarminquay> Somebody want to remove the tack from his ass?
[23:39] <Tarminquay> OerHeks: Meaning what?
[23:39] <TJ-> Tarminquay: don't be rude; daftykins has already provided plenty of advice outside the remit of this channel
[23:39] <daftykins> all the other Canadians i've met on freenode have been ace :) you let them down by being rude and trying to make something personal
[23:42] <Tarminquay> "No more desktops for me / would rather eat potato chips and have a heart attack"
[23:42] <Tarminquay> Why would he say that?