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| vishnudev | Hi guys, will ubunu 15.10 run .snap ? | 06:03 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:10 |
| RMJ | Is Popey in the house? | 08:36 |
| dholbach | RMJ: he should be ... in a bit - he's in the UK, where it's 8:37 right now | 08:37 |
| RMJ | Thx, yeah I know it's still quite early there, just checking :) | 08:38 |
| duflu | RMJ: try popey | 08:39 |
| * duflu wonders if case matters | 08:39 | |
| RMJ | ah I see | 08:40 |
| RMJ | is popey in the house? | 08:40 |
| RMJ | do you need an @ or something? | 08:41 |
| duflu | No, just correct spelling should suffice | 08:42 |
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| RMJ | Can anyone recommend an IRC client for UT? | 08:45 |
| teve | why update check take ages over mobile 3G? | 09:09 |
| lotuspsychje | RMJ: kiwi irc | 09:10 |
| RMJ | can it connect to here ok | 09:12 |
| RMJ | >? | 09:12 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Tuesday and happy Cat Herders Day! 😼 | 09:26 |
| mcphail | JamesTait: That's definitely apposite in the #ubuntu-touch channel | 09:46 |
| JamesTait | mcphail, it just seemed like the perfect way to describe my life lately! | 09:47 |
| mcphail | JamesTait: life wouldn't be interesting if it was deterministic ;) | 09:48 |
| JamesTait | mcphail, indeed. It keeps us young. | 09:53 |
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| RTE89 | hey there | 13:13 |
| RTE89 | I just got a BQ with ubuntu preinstalled and I'm going to ask what I'd think would be one of the most asked questions in here, but I can't find any relevant recent threads about it anywhere: what is the status of whatsapp on ubuntu touch? | 13:14 |
| davmor2 | RTE89: there is no whatsapp for ubuntu touch and they close down any apps that they don't write, feel free to ping their developers to ask for an ubuntu port | 13:15 |
| RTE89 | I was afraid of that, since every project that seems to have existed has misteriously gone silent over the years... | 13:16 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: BTW with your BQ run a full update as soon as you can... | 13:19 |
| RTE89 | Yeah, I did. It really improved after that | 13:19 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: current UTouch releases are significantly improved, for example some few weeks ago WiFi AP mode is now available | 13:19 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: ahhh you found out too. | 13:20 |
| RTE89 | You mean going to "about this phone" and updating, right? | 13:20 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: yes mainly that, and the "update" system settings that updates the apps too | 13:20 |
| RTE89 | I'm coming from iOS (I used to be an Android user, but I like to experiment), and to be honest, it's going to be a bit hard to readapt. I feel really spoiled :P | 13:23 |
| RTE89 | But I'm very glad I can have a proper linux on my phone | 13:24 |
| RTE89 | And not depend on a Google or Apple account | 13:24 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: if you like the "proper linux" then the first thing to do is to enable developer mode so you can get in via USB and enable shell etc. | 13:24 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: ot if you use WiFi AP mode you can login over WiFi too | 13:24 |
| RTE89 | btw I'm having wifi drops. It also happens on my laptop (so it's probably a wider issue), but I had never had this problem on the phone | 13:25 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: it can be an AP issue, many are buggy | 13:26 |
| * Walex2 looks at the LINKSYS behind him, which sort of workish | 13:27 | |
| RTE89 | yeah, I guess it's the router. I only have this problem at work anyway | 13:27 |
| RTE89 | with "ap mode" you mean hotspot, right? English is not my native language | 13:28 |
| Walex2 | RTE89: yes, hotspot with tethering (gateway to 3G). | 13:46 |
| mterry | jdstrand, morning! | 13:52 |
| RTE89 | I have to use whatsapp because of work. It's a bummer to carry two devices around ¬¬ | 13:53 |
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| oSoMoN | mhall119, for your testing pleasure: https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/webbrowser-app | 14:31 |
| oSoMoN | mhall119, I’ll try to keep it up-to-date, don’t hesitate to ping me if you see it lag behind versions in the overlay PPA | 14:31 |
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| jgdx | greyback_, ping | 14:36 |
| greyback_ | jgdx: pong | 14:38 |
| jgdx | greyback_, the example you gave me, are you sure I am to use the qt stuff and not the qt ubuntu stuff? | 14:39 |
| greyback_ | jgdx: let's chat, will be easier | 14:39 |
| jgdx | greyback_, sure | 14:39 |
| greyback_ | jgdx: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/gerry | 14:39 |
| mhall119 | thaks oSoMoN | 14:46 |
| mterry | jdstrand, morning -- got time for brute forcing phones? :) | 14:57 |
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| mterry | tedg, did you have more thinking about ubuntu-app-launch/warn-on-xapp changes? | 15:01 |
| tedg | mterry: Yup, getting a first review of api from tvoss, you're next :-) | 15:10 |
| mterry | tedg, oh cool thanks! | 15:10 |
| jdstrand | mterry: hi, yes, out of meetings/emails now | 15:16 |
| jdstrand | mterry: we probably want to at least have tyhicks listening. I think he is going to be online in a moment | 15:16 |
| mterry | jdstrand, hello -- ok | 15:17 |
| mterry | jdstrand, I have meetings shortly but am probably free around 10:50 | 15:18 |
| mterry | can poke when done | 15:18 |
| jdstrand | ok | 15:18 |
| tyhicks | jdstrand: I'm here | 15:28 |
| mterry | jdstrand, tyhicks: ready | 15:42 |
| mterry | hangout or IRC? | 15:43 |
| jdstrand | I think hangout would be fastest | 15:43 |
| jdstrand | mterry, tyhicks: fyi: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qelapsedtimer.html | 16:02 |
| jdstrand | there is hope that the monotonic can be used | 16:02 |
| tyhicks | ah, good! | 16:02 |
| mterry | jdstrand, tyhicks: in qml, it's less clear what backs the Timer element: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-timer.html | 16:03 |
| mterry | I will do some digging | 16:03 |
| jdstrand | yeah, that page doesn't give a lot of detail | 16:05 |
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| jgdx | mzanetti_, how can we add a dir to xdg data dir? | 16:13 |
| mzanetti_ | hmm | 16:16 |
| mzanetti_ | by asking ogra_ I'd say | 16:16 |
| mzanetti_ | at least that's how I would approach it | 16:16 |
| mzanetti_ | jgdx, ^ | 16:17 |
| * ogra_ approves ... just go ahead :P | 16:17 | |
| mzanetti_ | ogra_, I think the question is more where to put it | 16:17 |
| jgdx | ogra_, okay I added it but it dodnt work | 16:22 |
| * ogra_ is still not sure how he got into this position :P ... i havent touched any phone code in a year now | 16:24 | |
| davmor2 | they borrow my script that auto blames ogra_ for everything they didn't touch | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | ah | 16:26 |
| jgdx | ogra_, any idea what project it would affect? That'll help | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | most likely ubuntu-touch-session or so | 16:27 |
| jgdx | thx | 16:28 |
| sturmflut | nerochiaro: Ping, regarding bug 1434517, are the bandwidth values you posted an hour ago correct? | 16:29 |
| ubot5 | bug 1434517 in camera-app (Ubuntu) "480p and 1080p video appear to use the same bitrate" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434517 | 16:29 |
| nerochiaro | sturmflut: i think they are, can double check | 16:30 |
| sturmflut | nerochiaro: 12 kbps for a 1080p video? For the whole stream? | 16:31 |
| nerochiaro | sturmflut: according to mplayer: VIDEO: 1920x1080 30.323 fps 12146.9 kbps | 16:32 |
| sturmflut | Ah, that's 12 MBps ;) | 16:32 |
| nerochiaro | sturmflut: oh, let me check the bug again :) | 16:32 |
| sturmflut | Because 12 kbps wouldn't even be enough for the audio track | 16:33 |
| nerochiaro | sturmflut: right. my mistake. fixed | 16:33 |
| nerochiaro | sturmflut: thanks for pointing that out :) | 16:34 |
| sturmflut | nerochiaro: \o/ | 16:42 |
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| muscles | hi | 17:24 |
| muscles | I just started exploring ubuntu touch | 17:24 |
| muscles | hope everyone is doing great | 17:24 |
| muscles | my question is does ubuntu touch supports ubuntu 14.04 trusty? | 17:25 |
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| muscles | and also which hardware does it supports | 17:25 |
| davmor2 | muscles: you might have to explain what you mean by does it support 14.04 | 17:43 |
| davmor2 | muscles: the phone is currently vivid based | 17:43 |
| muscles | Okay let me explain it a little bit | 17:49 |
| muscles | I want to run ubuntu 14.04 trusty | 17:50 |
| muscles | so I f I install ubuntu touch on my cell phone does it supports all version of ubuntu | 17:50 |
| muscles | i.e 13.04, 14.04 etc? | 17:50 |
| davmor2 | muscles: you might need a rule for the device, but other than that it should connect to 14.04 | 17:52 |
| muscles | and can you please expalin a little bit more about vivid based phone? | 17:52 |
| muscles | what do you exactly mean by this | 17:52 |
| muscles | thank you | 17:52 |
| davmor2 | muscles: the phone is based off of vivid release so 15.04 | 17:54 |
| muscles | alright. So say I purchase a nexus 4 phone with ANdroid installed on the top. The I wipe away android and install ubuntu touch on the top it would be vivid based ( 15.04) not trusty ( 14.04) | 17:55 |
| muscles | thats what you mean | 17:55 |
| muscles | correct me if I am wrong | 17:55 |
| davmor2 | muscles: that's correct | 17:56 |
| muscles | alright | 17:57 |
| muscles | thank you davmor2 | 17:57 |
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| mterry | jdstrand, tyhicks: quick follow up, after some digging, looks like qml's timer uses QElapsedTimer under the hood, which is monotonic. So all good there | 18:18 |
| tyhicks | mterry: nice - thanks for looking into that | 18:19 |
| vishnudev | Hi Guys. How to debug application in actual device? | 18:20 |
| vishnudev | I am getting a wait screen please attach your device | 18:20 |
| jdstrand | mterry: cool | 18:20 |
| vishnudev | I've enabled the developer mode | 18:23 |
| mterry | vishnudev, I haven't done it more than a couple times, but you need to find the option in the SDK that associates your kit with your particular device | 18:24 |
| mterry | And then when it's waiting to attach your device, have your device plugged in obviously | 18:25 |
| mterry | But it needs to be associated first | 18:25 |
| vishnudev | cool | 18:26 |
| vishnudev | I've to remove the previous device | 18:26 |
| vishnudev | now its working | 18:26 |
| mterry | vishnudev, yeah I wish it could remember more than one device :) | 18:27 |
| RTE68 | hey there | 18:36 |
| RTE68 | I just apt-get upgraded and dist-upgraded, everything is working, but these were updgrades that didn't show up in the UI. I assume those are more stable than doing it through the cli | 18:37 |
| RTE68 | Anyway, I've noticed I can apt-get install thunderbird, for example, but I don't dare. Am I right in assuming stuff will break if I do so? | 18:38 |
| pmcgowan | RTE68, the normal updates do not use apt, they use the system-image updater, the two are not compatible | 18:43 |
| RTE68 | did I mess up my phone then? | 18:43 |
| pmcgowan | RTE68, you may have, I assume you made the disk writeable before doing that | 18:51 |
| RTE68 | yup | 18:51 |
| RTE68 | sudo mount -o remount,rw / | 18:51 |
| pmcgowan | so you can live in the apt world but you cant take image updates, or at least what will happen now is a bit undetermined | 18:52 |
| pmcgowan | you can reflash to a known version | 18:52 |
| pmcgowan | normally adding individual packages works but then gets overwritten with the next image updated, not sure what a dist-upgrade will do | 18:53 |
| RTE68 | well, dist-upgrade actually replaced a package with another. I can't remember which one it was, but it wasn't an alternative, but a different build of the same library. Probably built against different dependencies or something like that. | 18:55 |
| RTE68 | Do you mean image updates won't show up anymore? | 18:55 |
| pmcgowan | RTE68, they will but not sure what they will do if you take them | 18:56 |
| pmcgowan | you should revert to a fresh image | 18:56 |
| pmcgowan | unless you actually want to use apt and manage it yourself, which no one really does I think | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | apt will break ... hard ... | 18:58 |
| RTE68 | damn | 18:58 |
| RTE68 | So, how do I roll back? | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | you were just lucky it worked and there was no package involved that breaks the world | 18:58 |
| RTE68 | hehehe | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | you can always re-flash using ubuntu-device-flash | 18:59 |
| pmcgowan | you can also do it with some incantation on system-image-cli | 19:01 |
| RTE68 | does system-image-cli work from within the very device's terminal? | 19:02 |
| RTE68 | I've never used ubuntu-device-flash, but I've read it works through adb from a computer, right? | 19:03 |
| ogra_ | right | 19:04 |
| pmcgowan | RTE68, yes that can run from the terminal | 19:06 |
| vishnudev | Hi, I am trying to use cordova | 19:06 |
| vishnudev | when i do cordova build --device | 19:06 |
| vishnudev | getting error Error: missing armhf chroot | 19:07 |
| vishnudev | run: | 19:07 |
| vishnudev | sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-14.10 create | 19:07 |
| pmcgowan | vishnudev, better to ask in #ubuntu-app-devel | 19:07 |
| vishnudev | ok | 19:07 |
| RTE68 | pmcgowan: thanks, I'll explore my options | 19:13 |
| sturmflut | Good news: I have an strace of the FM Radio app on an MT6582 Android phone (krillin/vegetahd clone). Now I "just" have to interpret all the ioctl()s correctly ;) | 19:50 |
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| mcphail | sturmflut: you'll have wi-FM up and running in no time :) | 20:07 |
| tvoss | sturmflut, got a list handy? | 20:10 |
| tripleclones | hi all - I'm having issues with shutting down my phone, seems to just hang suspended and drains battery. Any hints/ clues? | 20:25 |
| muscles | hi again | 20:34 |
| muscles | just a quick question | 20:34 |
| muscles | which cell phone do you guys recommend for installing ubuntu touch and then installing ROS on top of ubuntu touch? | 20:35 |
| muscles | I searched a lot on the net | 20:35 |
| muscles | but couldn't find the right model | 20:35 |
| sturmflut | muscles: ROS as in the Robot Operating System? | 20:42 |
| sturmflut | tripleclones: That might be bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1471913 | 20:43 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1471913 in Canonical System Image "Battery statistics are incorrect on MTK based devices" [High,Confirmed] | 20:43 |
| sturmflut | tvoss: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14036298/ is an initial excerpt of the ioctl calls issued on /dev/fm and /dev/eac when the app starts up and turns the FM Radio and the audio pipeline on. PID 149 is the Android media subsystem, PID 3983 the FM Radio. | 20:49 |
| tvoss | sturmflut, ack | 20:50 |
| sturmflut | tvoss: Still needs finetuning to capture more info, but it looks like its not too wrong, e.g. line 6 is FM_IOCTL_POWERUP and line 7 FM_IOCTL_MUTE | 20:50 |
| tvoss | yup, just looking at those lines | 20:51 |
| sturmflut | tvoss: But I have no idea what happens in the lines before, e.g. line 2 is 0xc008f532, that translates to function 0x32 (last 8 bits), and our header files do not seem to have a function 0x32 ioctl on the FM device | 20:52 |
| tvoss | sturmflut, so the /dev/eac calls seem to setup the direct audio routing iirc | 20:52 |
| sturmflut | tvoss: Yep | 20:52 |
| tvoss | sturmflut, which processs is 3865 | 20:53 |
| sturmflut | tvoss: One of the FM Radio app threads if I see correctly | 20:54 |
| tvoss | ah okay | 20:54 |
| tripleclones | sturmflut: um I'm not sure, on shutdown it seems the backlight stays on, interestingly just used the shutdown option in the recovery menu and did the same | 20:54 |
| tripleclones | I'll keep playing | 20:54 |
| sturmflut | tripleclones: Sorry, I got your report wrong. The screen often stays on for a short time at shutdown until it is fully shut down, but that should take some seconds or so | 20:58 |
| tripleclones | sturmflut: this is until the battery dies - although have introduced a new issues :) | 20:59 |
| tripleclones | reset the oem lock and not it doesn't seem to get pass the loading screen. I will go have a cup a tea and review | 21:00 |
| tripleclones | nope that was a mistake | 21:04 |
| tripleclones | e2fsck check for device failed with 0 | 21:05 |
| tripleclones | who thinks I am best of just starting again with a fresh install | 21:05 |
| tripleclones | haha - now it doesn't get pass the google screen. Sometimes not fiddling is the best approach | 21:09 |
| dobey | muscles: if you're not buying a retail ubuntu phone, the best supported phone otherwise is the Nexus 4 (mako) | 21:15 |
| vandenoever | is it possible to flash a fresh ota-8 to the meizu? | 21:17 |
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| pmcgowan | vandenoever, sure | 21:26 |
| pmcgowan | channel ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en | 21:27 |
| RTE68 | evening | 21:28 |
| vandenoever | pmcgowan: channel? | 21:28 |
| RTE68 | is there a way to export/backup my contacts to SIM or some other place that isn't Google? One of the reasons I bought an Ubuntu phone was to completely abandon Google (in fact I deleted my account). | 21:29 |
| pmcgowan | vandenoever, yes using ubuntu-device-flash from a laptop, are you familiar with how to do that? | 21:29 |
| vandenoever | pmcgowan: no, i'm an ubuntu phone newbie, i'm coming from meego | 21:30 |
| pmcgowan | vandenoever, ah welcome | 21:30 |
| vandenoever | pmcgowan: but i'll look to install the ubuntu-device-flash, i assume it downloads the image | 21:31 |
| pmcgowan | vandenoever, yes, check https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ | 21:31 |
| pmcgowan | think thats still accurate | 21:31 |
| vandenoever | ah cool | 21:32 |
| vandenoever | i'm running ubuntu in a vm but i should be able the make the phone availabe to it via usb | 21:32 |
| pmcgowan | think so yeah | 21:32 |
| RTE68 | I'm glad to hear that, I don't want to change my linux distro again ^^ | 21:33 |
| RTE68 | Where are contacts stored btw? Mysql? Sqlite? Some XML somewhere? | 21:33 |
| vandenoever | RTE68: same here, i like ubuntu, just happen to be on nixos | 21:34 |
| RTE68 | After years I've felt in love with Arch. Ubuntu comes close second though. :D | 21:34 |
| RTE68 | *fallen | 21:35 |
| pmcgowan | RTE68, should be in ~/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/username/contacts.db | 21:39 |
| pmcgowan | sqllite | 21:39 |
| RTE68 | nice! | 21:39 |
| RTE68 | that's why I love the idea of actual linux on a phone | 21:39 |
| RTE68 | ty | 21:41 |
| RTE68 | I have a gripe with scopes (and it's possible I'm just using them wrong). If I have more than four I find it tedious to swipe over all the way, looking for the one I'm interested in. | 21:55 |
| RTE68 | Isn't there a way to jump directly to a specific scope? | 21:56 |
| RTE68 | Also, can I list applications in the store by developer? | 21:56 |
| Myself5 | ondra, I made a sucessful build! :D | 21:56 |
| Myself5 | but how do I go ahead and flash it? | 21:56 |
| tripleclones | ha, for anyone following my &^%k ups - I've got back into the recovery menu | 21:56 |
| Myself5 | following the ubuntu install guide? | 21:57 |
| RTE68 | I'm not following, but congrats tripleclones | 21:57 |
| RTE68 | :p | 21:57 |
| RTE68 | Also I just realized you *can* jump directly to a scope using the list where you favorite them. I feel so dumb... | 21:58 |
| tripleclones | doing a fresh install | 21:59 |
| Myself5 | @all, if I am installing Ubuntu Touch, am I really only suposed to flash boot and recovery? | 22:01 |
| Myself5 | no need for system.img at all? | 22:01 |
| tripleclones | so should I reset the oem lock after installing? | 22:09 |
| tripleclones | haha - reinstalled, lets see if it shuts down this time | 22:31 |
| tripleclones | any hints on the oem lock? | 22:31 |
| tripleclones | still doing the same, shutdown leaves backlight on :( | 22:41 |
| tripleclones | I'll leave it for now as son wants to show of at school tomorrow. | 22:42 |
| tripleclones | but would like some help submitting a bug if anyone can point me to a how to or such like | 22:42 |
| dobey | tripleclones: what oem lock? what device? | 22:56 |
| tripleclones | nexus 5 | 22:56 |
| tripleclones | last time I re-enabled it I got e2fsck check errors | 22:57 |
| dobey | what about the oem lock? | 22:58 |
| tripleclones | if I follow this page | 22:58 |
| tripleclones | https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ | 22:58 |
| tripleclones | it says "sudo fastboot oem unlock" | 22:58 |
| dobey | yes | 22:58 |
| tripleclones | but nothing about re-enabling it | 22:58 |
| tripleclones | when I did on my last install everything want to pot | 22:58 |
| tripleclones | so should I leave it unlocked? | 22:59 |
| dobey | if you really want to lock it, you can do so at the fastboot screen itself, iirc | 22:59 |
| dobey | or i guess do "fastboot oem lock" | 22:59 |
| tripleclones | yes thats what I did - but then I got e2fsck check errors | 23:00 |
| tripleclones | I'll leave unlocked this time | 23:00 |
| dobey | i'm not sure what image you installed, but the nexus 5 is not an officially supported device, and the builds on the tasemnice server are all way out of date, iirc | 23:00 |
| tripleclones | I'm using tasemnice images | 23:01 |
| tripleclones | they seemed to be updated in Nov | 23:01 |
| tripleclones | OS says Ubuntu 16.04 (r3) - is that massively out of date? | 23:01 |
| dobey | it's massively unstable | 23:03 |
| dobey | oh, looks like devel-proposed is still magically rebuilding, but that's a very unstable channel to be on | 23:04 |
| dobey | i don't know what devel is actually following, but yeah, if it's 16.04, then that is pretty out of date | 23:05 |
| dobey | anyway, i have to go | 23:06 |
| dobey | later | 23:06 |
| tripleclones | oh well will have to do for this use case, until I can get a nexus 4 cheap | 23:06 |
| tripleclones | seems to be working other then not shutting down :) | 23:07 |
| tripleclones | ah in for a penny in for a pound - reinstalling stable image from system-image.ubports.com | 23:16 |
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