=== salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [06:03] Hi guys, will ubunu 15.10 run .snap ? [08:10] good morning [08:36] Is Popey in the house? [08:37] RMJ: he should be ... in a bit - he's in the UK, where it's 8:37 right now [08:38] Thx, yeah I know it's still quite early there, just checking :) [08:39] RMJ: try popey [08:39] * duflu wonders if case matters [08:40] ah I see [08:40] is popey in the house? [08:41] do you need an @ or something? [08:42] No, just correct spelling should suffice === Dragonkeeper is now known as yoldovah [08:45] Can anyone recommend an IRC client for UT? [09:09] why update check take ages over mobile 3G? [09:10] RMJ: kiwi irc [09:12] can it connect to here ok [09:12] >? [09:26] Good morning all; happy Tuesday and happy Cat Herders Day! 😼 [09:46] JamesTait: That's definitely apposite in the #ubuntu-touch channel [09:47] mcphail, it just seemed like the perfect way to describe my life lately! [09:48] JamesTait: life wouldn't be interesting if it was deterministic ;) [09:53] mcphail, indeed. It keeps us young. === ecloud is now known as ecloud_wfh === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === hasselmm1 is now known as hasselmm === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:13] hey there [13:14] I just got a BQ with ubuntu preinstalled and I'm going to ask what I'd think would be one of the most asked questions in here, but I can't find any relevant recent threads about it anywhere: what is the status of whatsapp on ubuntu touch? [13:15] RTE89: there is no whatsapp for ubuntu touch and they close down any apps that they don't write, feel free to ping their developers to ask for an ubuntu port [13:16] I was afraid of that, since every project that seems to have existed has misteriously gone silent over the years... [13:19] RTE89: BTW with your BQ run a full update as soon as you can... [13:19] Yeah, I did. It really improved after that [13:19] RTE89: current UTouch releases are significantly improved, for example some few weeks ago WiFi AP mode is now available [13:20] RTE89: ahhh you found out too. [13:20] You mean going to "about this phone" and updating, right? [13:20] RTE89: yes mainly that, and the "update" system settings that updates the apps too [13:23] I'm coming from iOS (I used to be an Android user, but I like to experiment), and to be honest, it's going to be a bit hard to readapt. I feel really spoiled :P [13:24] But I'm very glad I can have a proper linux on my phone [13:24] And not depend on a Google or Apple account [13:24] RTE89: if you like the "proper linux" then the first thing to do is to enable developer mode so you can get in via USB and enable shell etc. [13:24] RTE89: ot if you use WiFi AP mode you can login over WiFi too [13:25] btw I'm having wifi drops. It also happens on my laptop (so it's probably a wider issue), but I had never had this problem on the phone [13:26] RTE89: it can be an AP issue, many are buggy [13:27] * Walex2 looks at the LINKSYS behind him, which sort of workish [13:27] yeah, I guess it's the router. I only have this problem at work anyway [13:28] with "ap mode" you mean hotspot, right? English is not my native language [13:46] RTE89: yes, hotspot with tethering (gateway to 3G). [13:52] jdstrand, morning! [13:53] I have to use whatsapp because of work. It's a bummer to carry two devices around ¬¬ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:31] mhall119, for your testing pleasure: https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/webbrowser-app [14:31] mhall119, I’ll try to keep it up-to-date, don’t hesitate to ping me if you see it lag behind versions in the overlay PPA === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [14:36] greyback_, ping [14:38] jgdx: pong [14:39] greyback_, the example you gave me, are you sure I am to use the qt stuff and not the qt ubuntu stuff? [14:39] jgdx: let's chat, will be easier [14:39] greyback_, sure [14:39] jgdx: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/gerry [14:46] thaks oSoMoN [14:57] jdstrand, morning -- got time for brute forcing phones? :) === sverzegnassi_ is now known as sverzegnassi [15:01] tedg, did you have more thinking about ubuntu-app-launch/warn-on-xapp changes? [15:10] mterry: Yup, getting a first review of api from tvoss, you're next :-) [15:10] tedg, oh cool thanks! [15:16] mterry: hi, yes, out of meetings/emails now [15:16] mterry: we probably want to at least have tyhicks listening. I think he is going to be online in a moment [15:17] jdstrand, hello -- ok [15:18] jdstrand, I have meetings shortly but am probably free around 10:50 [15:18] can poke when done [15:18] ok [15:28] jdstrand: I'm here [15:42] jdstrand, tyhicks: ready [15:43] hangout or IRC? [15:43] I think hangout would be fastest [16:02] mterry, tyhicks: fyi: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qelapsedtimer.html [16:02] there is hope that the monotonic can be used [16:02] ah, good! [16:03] jdstrand, tyhicks: in qml, it's less clear what backs the Timer element: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-timer.html [16:03] I will do some digging [16:05] yeah, that page doesn't give a lot of detail === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader [16:13] mzanetti_, how can we add a dir to xdg data dir? [16:16] hmm [16:16] by asking ogra_ I'd say [16:16] at least that's how I would approach it [16:17] jgdx, ^ [16:17] * ogra_ approves ... just go ahead :P [16:17] ogra_, I think the question is more where to put it [16:22] ogra_, okay I added it but it dodnt work [16:24] * ogra_ is still not sure how he got into this position :P ... i havent touched any phone code in a year now [16:26] they borrow my script that auto blames ogra_ for everything they didn't touch [16:26] ah [16:27] ogra_, any idea what project it would affect? That'll help [16:27] most likely ubuntu-touch-session or so [16:28] thx [16:29] nerochiaro: Ping, regarding bug 1434517, are the bandwidth values you posted an hour ago correct? [16:29] bug 1434517 in camera-app (Ubuntu) "480p and 1080p video appear to use the same bitrate" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434517 [16:30] sturmflut: i think they are, can double check [16:31] nerochiaro: 12 kbps for a 1080p video? For the whole stream? [16:32] sturmflut: according to mplayer: VIDEO: 1920x1080 30.323 fps 12146.9 kbps [16:32] Ah, that's 12 MBps ;) [16:32] sturmflut: oh, let me check the bug again :) [16:33] Because 12 kbps wouldn't even be enough for the audio track [16:33] sturmflut: right. my mistake. fixed [16:34] sturmflut: thanks for pointing that out :) [16:42] nerochiaro: \o/ === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [17:24] hi [17:24] I just started exploring ubuntu touch [17:24] hope everyone is doing great [17:25] my question is does ubuntu touch supports ubuntu 14.04 trusty? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [17:25] and also which hardware does it supports [17:43] muscles: you might have to explain what you mean by does it support 14.04 [17:43] muscles: the phone is currently vivid based [17:49] Okay let me explain it a little bit [17:50] I want to run ubuntu 14.04 trusty [17:50] so I f I install ubuntu touch on my cell phone does it supports all version of ubuntu [17:50] i.e 13.04, 14.04 etc? [17:52] muscles: you might need a rule for the device, but other than that it should connect to 14.04 [17:52] and can you please expalin a little bit more about vivid based phone? [17:52] what do you exactly mean by this [17:52] thank you [17:54] muscles: the phone is based off of vivid release so 15.04 [17:55] alright. So say I purchase a nexus 4 phone with ANdroid installed on the top. The I wipe away android and install ubuntu touch on the top it would be vivid based ( 15.04) not trusty ( 14.04) [17:55] thats what you mean [17:55] correct me if I am wrong [17:56] muscles: that's correct [17:57] alright [17:57] thank you davmor2 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:18] jdstrand, tyhicks: quick follow up, after some digging, looks like qml's timer uses QElapsedTimer under the hood, which is monotonic. So all good there [18:19] mterry: nice - thanks for looking into that [18:20] Hi Guys. How to debug application in actual device? [18:20] I am getting a wait screen please attach your device [18:20] mterry: cool [18:23] I've enabled the developer mode [18:24] vishnudev, I haven't done it more than a couple times, but you need to find the option in the SDK that associates your kit with your particular device [18:25] And then when it's waiting to attach your device, have your device plugged in obviously [18:25] But it needs to be associated first [18:26] cool [18:26] I've to remove the previous device [18:26] now its working [18:27] vishnudev, yeah I wish it could remember more than one device :) [18:36] hey there [18:37] I just apt-get upgraded and dist-upgraded, everything is working, but these were updgrades that didn't show up in the UI. I assume those are more stable than doing it through the cli [18:38] Anyway, I've noticed I can apt-get install thunderbird, for example, but I don't dare. Am I right in assuming stuff will break if I do so? [18:43] RTE68, the normal updates do not use apt, they use the system-image updater, the two are not compatible [18:43] did I mess up my phone then? [18:51] RTE68, you may have, I assume you made the disk writeable before doing that [18:51] yup [18:51] sudo mount -o remount,rw / [18:52] so you can live in the apt world but you cant take image updates, or at least what will happen now is a bit undetermined [18:52] you can reflash to a known version [18:53] normally adding individual packages works but then gets overwritten with the next image updated, not sure what a dist-upgrade will do [18:55] well, dist-upgrade actually replaced a package with another. I can't remember which one it was, but it wasn't an alternative, but a different build of the same library. Probably built against different dependencies or something like that. [18:55] Do you mean image updates won't show up anymore? [18:56] RTE68, they will but not sure what they will do if you take them [18:56] you should revert to a fresh image [18:57] unless you actually want to use apt and manage it yourself, which no one really does I think [18:58] apt will break ... hard ... [18:58] damn [18:58] So, how do I roll back? [18:58] you were just lucky it worked and there was no package involved that breaks the world [18:59] hehehe [18:59] you can always re-flash using ubuntu-device-flash [19:01] you can also do it with some incantation on system-image-cli [19:02] does system-image-cli work from within the very device's terminal? [19:03] I've never used ubuntu-device-flash, but I've read it works through adb from a computer, right? [19:04] right [19:06] RTE68, yes that can run from the terminal [19:06] Hi, I am trying to use cordova [19:06] when i do cordova build --device [19:07] getting error Error: missing armhf chroot [19:07] run: [19:07] sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-14.10 create [19:07] vishnudev, better to ask in #ubuntu-app-devel [19:07] ok [19:13] pmcgowan: thanks, I'll explore my options [19:50] Good news: I have an strace of the FM Radio app on an MT6582 Android phone (krillin/vegetahd clone). Now I "just" have to interpret all the ioctl()s correctly ;) === ljp is now known as lpotter [20:07] sturmflut: you'll have wi-FM up and running in no time :) [20:10] sturmflut, got a list handy? [20:25] hi all - I'm having issues with shutting down my phone, seems to just hang suspended and drains battery. Any hints/ clues? [20:34] hi again [20:34] just a quick question [20:35] which cell phone do you guys recommend for installing ubuntu touch and then installing ROS on top of ubuntu touch? [20:35] I searched a lot on the net [20:35] but couldn't find the right model [20:42] muscles: ROS as in the Robot Operating System? [20:43] tripleclones: That might be bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1471913 [20:43] Ubuntu bug 1471913 in Canonical System Image "Battery statistics are incorrect on MTK based devices" [High,Confirmed] [20:49] tvoss: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14036298/ is an initial excerpt of the ioctl calls issued on /dev/fm and /dev/eac when the app starts up and turns the FM Radio and the audio pipeline on. PID 149 is the Android media subsystem, PID 3983 the FM Radio. [20:50] sturmflut, ack [20:50] tvoss: Still needs finetuning to capture more info, but it looks like its not too wrong, e.g. line 6 is FM_IOCTL_POWERUP and line 7 FM_IOCTL_MUTE [20:51] yup, just looking at those lines [20:52] tvoss: But I have no idea what happens in the lines before, e.g. line 2 is 0xc008f532, that translates to function 0x32 (last 8 bits), and our header files do not seem to have a function 0x32 ioctl on the FM device [20:52] sturmflut, so the /dev/eac calls seem to setup the direct audio routing iirc [20:52] tvoss: Yep [20:53] sturmflut, which processs is 3865 [20:54] tvoss: One of the FM Radio app threads if I see correctly [20:54] ah okay [20:54] sturmflut: um I'm not sure, on shutdown it seems the backlight stays on, interestingly just used the shutdown option in the recovery menu and did the same [20:54] I'll keep playing [20:58] tripleclones: Sorry, I got your report wrong. The screen often stays on for a short time at shutdown until it is fully shut down, but that should take some seconds or so [20:59] sturmflut: this is until the battery dies - although have introduced a new issues :) [21:00] reset the oem lock and not it doesn't seem to get pass the loading screen. I will go have a cup a tea and review [21:04] nope that was a mistake [21:05] e2fsck check for device failed with 0 [21:05] who thinks I am best of just starting again with a fresh install [21:09] haha - now it doesn't get pass the google screen. Sometimes not fiddling is the best approach [21:15] muscles: if you're not buying a retail ubuntu phone, the best supported phone otherwise is the Nexus 4 (mako) [21:17] is it possible to flash a fresh ota-8 to the meizu? === muscles is now known as Guest24758 [21:26] vandenoever, sure [21:27] channel ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en [21:28] evening [21:28] pmcgowan: channel? [21:29] is there a way to export/backup my contacts to SIM or some other place that isn't Google? One of the reasons I bought an Ubuntu phone was to completely abandon Google (in fact I deleted my account). [21:29] vandenoever, yes using ubuntu-device-flash from a laptop, are you familiar with how to do that? [21:30] pmcgowan: no, i'm an ubuntu phone newbie, i'm coming from meego [21:30] vandenoever, ah welcome [21:31] pmcgowan: but i'll look to install the ubuntu-device-flash, i assume it downloads the image [21:31] vandenoever, yes, check https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ [21:31] think thats still accurate [21:32] ah cool [21:32] i'm running ubuntu in a vm but i should be able the make the phone availabe to it via usb [21:32] think so yeah [21:33] I'm glad to hear that, I don't want to change my linux distro again ^^ [21:33] Where are contacts stored btw? Mysql? Sqlite? Some XML somewhere? [21:34] RTE68: same here, i like ubuntu, just happen to be on nixos [21:34] After years I've felt in love with Arch. Ubuntu comes close second though. :D [21:35] *fallen [21:39] RTE68, should be in ~/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/username/contacts.db [21:39] sqllite [21:39] nice! [21:39] that's why I love the idea of actual linux on a phone [21:41] ty [21:55] I have a gripe with scopes (and it's possible I'm just using them wrong). If I have more than four I find it tedious to swipe over all the way, looking for the one I'm interested in. [21:56] Isn't there a way to jump directly to a specific scope? [21:56] Also, can I list applications in the store by developer? [21:56] ondra, I made a sucessful build! :D [21:56] but how do I go ahead and flash it? [21:56] ha, for anyone following my &^%k ups - I've got back into the recovery menu [21:57] following the ubuntu install guide? [21:57] I'm not following, but congrats tripleclones [21:57] :p [21:58] Also I just realized you *can* jump directly to a scope using the list where you favorite them. I feel so dumb... [21:59] doing a fresh install [22:01] @all, if I am installing Ubuntu Touch, am I really only suposed to flash boot and recovery? [22:01] no need for system.img at all? [22:09] so should I reset the oem lock after installing? [22:31] haha - reinstalled, lets see if it shuts down this time [22:31] any hints on the oem lock? [22:41] still doing the same, shutdown leaves backlight on :( [22:42] I'll leave it for now as son wants to show of at school tomorrow. [22:42] but would like some help submitting a bug if anyone can point me to a how to or such like [22:56] tripleclones: what oem lock? what device? [22:56] nexus 5 [22:57] last time I re-enabled it I got e2fsck check errors [22:58] what about the oem lock? [22:58] if I follow this page [22:58] https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ [22:58] it says "sudo fastboot oem unlock" [22:58] yes [22:58] but nothing about re-enabling it [22:58] when I did on my last install everything want to pot [22:59] so should I leave it unlocked? [22:59] if you really want to lock it, you can do so at the fastboot screen itself, iirc [22:59] or i guess do "fastboot oem lock" [23:00] yes thats what I did - but then I got e2fsck check errors [23:00] I'll leave unlocked this time [23:00] i'm not sure what image you installed, but the nexus 5 is not an officially supported device, and the builds on the tasemnice server are all way out of date, iirc [23:01] I'm using tasemnice images [23:01] they seemed to be updated in Nov [23:01] OS says Ubuntu 16.04 (r3) - is that massively out of date? [23:03] it's massively unstable [23:04] oh, looks like devel-proposed is still magically rebuilding, but that's a very unstable channel to be on [23:05] i don't know what devel is actually following, but yeah, if it's 16.04, then that is pretty out of date [23:06] anyway, i have to go [23:06] later [23:06] oh well will have to do for this use case, until I can get a nexus 4 cheap [23:07] seems to be working other then not shutting down :) [23:16] ah in for a penny in for a pound - reinstalling stable image from system-image.ubports.com