[00:02] <ubuntourist> And... back
[00:20] <frecel> is there a ppa with plasma 5.5.1 for 15.10?
[00:21] <frecel> I checked the CI packages and they seem to all be older
[00:40] <valorie> frecel: no, not yet
[00:40] <valorie> our packager that was working on that had a death in the family
[00:40] <frecel> valorie: do you know if someone is working on that?
[00:41] <frecel> oh
[00:41] <valorie> that set us back a bit
[00:41] <valorie> yes, sgclark was working/is working on it
[00:41] <valorie> we're lacking packaging help atm
[00:48] <frecel> valorie: well then I will check sid, if there is a package there I will try to build it and submit it to backports
[00:48] <frecel> build it for ubuntu*
[00:52] <valorie> frecel: please check with the packagers in #kubuntu-devel
[00:53] <frecel> valorie: alright, thanks
[00:53] <valorie> we're in the midst of Debian merges now
[00:53] <valorie> not many about right now, so you may want to write to kubuntu-devel list instead/too
[00:53]  * valorie goes off to dinner
[02:21] <anabain> is autofs broken in 15.10?
[02:27] <mrigtrishna>  has anyone tried hidpi monitor with normal 1920x1080 monitors? Best link I could find was https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#External_displays... but the KDE section is needs updates.
[07:14] <hydn_> Hi @all
[07:15] <hydn_> very quick question. An easy one I hope.
[07:15] <valorie> ask away, and we'll see!
[07:16] <hydn_> I'm an Arch user and they dropped support for KDE4. I tested Kubuntu 14.04 and love it. Will KDE4 be supported on 14.04 LTS at least till 2019?
[07:16] <hydn_> Or losing support also?
[07:16] <valorie> !eol
[07:17] <hydn_> Was that a robot?
[07:17] <valorie> I believe that releases link shows the support windows as well
[07:17] <valorie> ubottu is a bot, yes
[07:17] <valorie> lol
[07:18] <hydn_> support windows for what? Kubuntu (i know is 2019). Was asking specifically about KDE4 support?
[07:18] <valorie> 7 years as I recall
[07:18] <valorie> it will never be Plasma 5
[07:18] <hydn_> Sweet!
[07:18] <valorie> support after awhile is merely security though
[07:18] <hydn_> ok I understand now. Sorry for basic question. I have always been using rolling distro
[07:19] <valorie> same with KDE 4 at the KDE level
[07:19] <valorie> yeah, stable releases are necessary (usually) for servers at least
[07:20] <hydn_> yes only worried about security. The state of Linux DE depending on taste is in a bad state so I want to freeze with what I have... KDE4. Until there's even an ok alternative. (for my taste)
[07:20] <hydn_> hoping for XFCE 5 by 2019. :D
[07:21] <hydn_> Thanks again.
[07:21] <valorie> I love Plasma 5, but everybody's tastes and needs are different
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:49] <scorpixo> my new installation  of kubuntu lts wont boot on my old pentium 3 some one know the problem maybe to heavy for my system´
[09:50] <valorie> scorpixo: did it run from the live media?
[09:50] <Smurphy> Don't think so. You sure you chose a 32Bit version ? Or was the pentium already a 64Bit CPU ?
[09:50] <s_20> Smurphy: it wasn't
[09:50] <valorie> heck, I got 15.10 to run on my 6-year-old netbook, an atom
[09:50] <valorie> it was fine
[09:51] <scorpixo> didnt try it no 32 bit
[09:51] <s_20> scorpixo: just a wild guess here, but maybe something requires SSE* extensions that the P3 did not have yet
[09:51] <s_20> valorie: 6 years and 11/12 years is quit ea big difference :)
[09:51] <scorpixo> sse whats that
[09:51] <valorie> but atom is seriously underpowered
[09:51] <valorie> scorpixo: I ask again if it ran from the live media
[09:51] <s_20> that might be the case, but it all boils down to "does the CPU support the instructions my software needs to run"
[09:52] <hateball> iirc the 32-bit kernels require PAE support
[09:52] <valorie> you can try that now if you want
[09:52] <scorpixo> i didnt try it on live media i shuuld
[09:53] <hateball> If it is the PAE error, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/117744/how-can-i-install-on-a-non-pae-cpu-error-kernel-requires-features-not-present
[09:53] <hateball> But it should tell you if so
[09:53] <valorie> s_20: also, scorpixo said the LTS, which is a year old now
[09:53] <s_20> valorie: still.. that CPU is 15 years old, in a few weeks its old enough to drive in the US
[09:54] <Smurphy> Ok. then it's clear. You need to use a different kernel. PAE extension is to access more memory than physically available on 32Bit hardware, beyond 4GB.
[09:54] <s_20> even *if* that will run, it'll be unusable
[09:54] <Smurphy> I have had the same issue on my Asus netbook with 4GB Ram. Had to provide a boot option withb nopae or similar.
[09:55] <s_20> i'm not saying it's impossible to use it, but something more lightweight than (k)ubuntu is probably a good idea
[09:55] <Smurphy> And - I am still using Ubuntu 12.xxx LTS on that one.
[09:55] <Smurphy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/117744/how-can-i-install-on-a-non-pae-cpu-error-kernel-requires-features-not-present
[09:56] <scorpixo> that what i tought to heavy firt time i get the prob and im used to install
[09:59] <scorpixo> if i install an older version would it help
[10:01] <lordievader> !precise
[10:02] <lordievader> Or you go with the Lubuntu Precise release, I believe that still had a non-PAE kernel.
[10:02] <lordievader> Or, ofcourse, you grab some new hardware ;)
[10:03] <scorpixo> tanks 4 the tip ill try that lubuntu good thing
[10:08] <valorie> from what I hear, plasma 5 is "lighter" than KDE4 was
[10:08] <valorie> but everybody has a different definition of light and heavy
[10:09] <Smurphy> yes. Using it on a rocket, so I don't really care :)
[10:09] <Smurphy> Oh - no, it is stil plasma 5.4 ...
[10:10] <lordievader> Anything is heavy on  P3.
[10:10] <Smurphy> lordievader: Nope. fvwm2 was not :)
[10:11] <Smurphy> Anyone has a link on how to integrated the plasma 5.5 ppa into kubuntu 15.10 ???
[10:40] <sadhen> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:41] <Smurphy> why that ?
[10:44]  * sadhen ^_^ prepend / for last message
[10:45] <Smurphy> lol :}
[10:47]  * sadhen want to advertise https://github.com/sadhen/marketo in #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:48] <sadhen> screenshots: http://home.ustc.edu.cn/%7Esadhen/markpado1.png
[10:48] <sadhen> wonder if you are interested
[10:49] <Smurphy> what would that be ?
[10:49] <sadhen> a KF5 markdown editor and note taker
[10:50] <Smurphy> ah, nice. Some people may like it :}
[10:51] <Smurphy> Using emacs still (for 25 years now) :}
[10:51] <sadhen> org-mode ??
[10:54] <Smurphy> terminal mode.
[11:06] <ulty> just updated firefox to version 43.0 and youtube vids are nolonger playing (kubuntu 14.04)
[11:09] <Smurphy> lol... Must be some new security features. Bet flash is not signed yet, hence disabled.
[11:09] <Smurphy> firefox 43 "requires" every plugin to be signed.
[11:09] <OpenSorce> ulty, have you tried changing your youtube account settings to play html5?
[11:10] <ulty> I don't have flash installed, the youtube/html5 page lists alls options as supported
[11:13] <ulty> I did change some media things in FF42 to get it to play 1080@60fps, mabe thats whats causing it
[11:37] <OpenSorce> Kubuntu uses PulseAudio by default, right?
[11:38] <Yossarianuk> OpenSorce: yes
[11:39] <OpenSorce> I'm trying to pipe sound from one sound device's line in port to another device's output. Jackd will do it but at the cost of muting everything else. Will PA do this natively?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:44] <hateball> OpenSorce: I think you can do it using pavucontrol
[11:44] <hateball> with a gui, that is
[11:45] <BluesKaj> he's crossposting
[11:45] <hateball> bleh
[11:46] <OpenSorce> hateball, yeah vandenoever was helping me out with it in #kde
[11:47] <OpenSorce> never hurts to ask in more than one place :-)
[11:47] <BluesKaj> it sounds logical, but it's also froened upon
[11:48] <BluesKaj> frowned even
[11:53] <OpenSorce> BluesKaj, to be fair I did wait a few minutes before taking the question to the other channel
[11:54] <OpenSorce> I started by asking in #pulseaudio then here then #kde
[11:56] <hateball> Asking is one thing, it's people juggling answers in multiple channels that are annoying
[11:56] <Yossarianuk> i don't understand why cross posting is bad so long as the person posts the solution they get from the other room also (that way knowledge spreads..)
[11:57] <Yossarianuk> i personally generally don't do it myself.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> !crosspost
[11:57] <hateball> Because if person 1 says "try this" and then person requesting help has already tried something from person 2, then the situation has already changed
[11:57] <hateball> it's just... not good
[11:58] <hateball> Anyhow, seems OpenSorce got the answer he was looking for without annoying anyone in the process :p
[11:58] <OpenSorce> hateball, :-)
[11:59] <OpenSorce> to be fair, hateball, you were right. pavucontrol was the answer. Also, I didn't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. :-)
[11:59] <Yossarianuk> all fair points... One issue maybe the user doesn't fully understand where his issue arises - i.e is the issue a generic KDE one or specific to the distro, etc
[12:00] <OpenSorce> Yossarianuk, or in my case I thought the solution was with PulseAudio, thus I went to channels where people might know something about that one at a time.
[16:09] <eluus> Smurphy: you there?
[16:09] <Smurphy> yes.
[16:10] <eluus> remember the problem I had with the video performance?
[16:10] <eluus> I get this error during boot maybe this is related: [drm:intel_pipe_config_compare [i915]] *ERROR* mismatch in ips_enabled (expected 1, found 0)
[16:10] <eluus> what do you think about it?
[16:12] <Smurphy> that could well be an issue. Yes.
[16:12] <Smurphy> Which kernel do you run ?
[16:13] <Smurphy> But, I have the following errors
[16:13] <Smurphy> [Tue Dec 15 09:04:40 2015] [drm:intel_set_pch_fifo_underrun_reporting [i915]] *ERROR* uncleared pch fifo underrun on pch transcoder A
[16:13] <Smurphy> [Tue Dec 15 09:04:40 2015] [drm:intel_pch_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun
[16:13] <Smurphy> Different ones :}
[16:16] <eluus> Linux version 4.2.0-18-generic (buildd@lgw01-38) (gcc version 5.2.1 20151010 (Ubuntu 5.2.1-22ubuntu2) ) #22-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:25:50 UTC 2015
[16:16] <eluus> There are other people who had the same error with this kernel
[16:17] <eluus> one who also has a lenovo reports his error went away after upgrading it to 4.3
[16:17] <eluus> I have no idea how to update kernel
[16:18] <eluus> I hope it updates itself soon
[16:19] <BluesKaj> eluus, to upgrade to a default if it's notr already installed run sudo apt dist-upgrade, but do a regular update and upgrade for your packages first
[16:19] <Smurphy> eluus: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:19] <BluesKaj> eluus, to a default kernal , that is.
[16:19] <Smurphy> should upgrade it to the last verison 4.2.0-198
[16:19] <BluesKaj> lernel even
[16:19] <Smurphy> 4.2.0-19 ...
[16:20] <eluus> I had a NO_PUBKEY error during apt-get update
[16:20]  * BluesKaj searches for his glasses
[16:20] <Smurphy> eluus: prolly some non registered repositories.
[16:20] <eluus> what should I do/
[16:20] <Smurphy> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:20] <Smurphy> That
[16:20] <eluus> k
[16:21] <eluus> is there an easy way to upgrade to 4.3?
[16:22] <Smurphy> 4.3 ? Eventuallym using backports.
[16:22] <Smurphy> But that is not an easy way, and can make your system unusable.
[16:23] <eluus> I'll just wait then
[16:23] <eluus> hope this update to 4.2.0-19 fixes it
[16:31] <eluus> didn't fix
[16:31] <eluus> =[
[16:36] <BluesKaj> eluus, dkms installed?
[17:13] <FrancisBacon> What?
[17:19] <FrancisBacon> I can't get Kubuntu to print text on my Canon Pixma MP160 scanner/printer
[17:20] <FrancisBacon>  I"m running Kubuntu 14.04.3 on a live CD and my scanner-printer is working, but every time I try to print any text, the paper feeder just pushes out the paper without even trying to type anything
[17:21] <FrancisBacon> I installed the drivers successfully, so everything else seems to work
[17:21] <FrancisBacon> I can even scan images from the MP160's flatbed scanner
[17:22] <FrancisBacon> But I can't print any text, and I just recently put in new black ink
[17:22] <FrancisBacon> It was printing ok with Windows and with Linux Mint, but not with Kubuntu
[17:22] <FrancisBacon> Do you have any solutions?
[17:57] <malhaar> hello, can anyone please tell me is there any way I can set the wallpaper as desktop background by right clickin on the image?
[17:57] <soee_> i dont think so, not in Plasma 5
[17:58] <malhaar> so, folder view settings > wallpaper is the only way we can add wallpaers? and that too one at a time?
[18:43] <mrigtrishna> FrancisBacon - you can sending text directly to printer's 9100 socket
[18:46] <mrigtrishna> Select Add Printer > Manual URI > Connection: socket://<ip_of_your_printer>:9100
[20:03] <tweety5> is it possible to test drive a kubuntu iso by just mounting it in Windows?
[20:11] <zaggynl> Hi, anyone know how to get numerical keypad to work? it doesn't appear to register keypresses
[20:11] <zaggynl> ..and for some reason it works if I boot up a VM with ubuntu
[20:18] <zaggynl> Oh right, I used a workaround for this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183458
[20:18] <zaggynl> Reported: 2009-02-06
[20:18] <zaggynl> oh man
[20:31] <RoadRunner> I can mount kubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso in WinXP and can look into its dir's but don't know how to make it "start" or if that's possible...
[20:36] <BluesKaj> RoadRunner, you can't :-)
[20:41] <RoadRunner> I intalled ubuntu to test it and buggered up some settings.  Now I can neither boot into it from the hd nor boot into kubuntu from my usb live booter (which works on another box).  So if I am to del the ubuntu partition, will its entry in Grub multibooer also disapear?
[20:42] <RoadRunner> *multibooter
[20:45] <BluesKaj> RoadRunner, why not try boot-repair, it can most likely fix your grub problem
[20:48] <RoadRunner> BluesKaj: so then the sequence of action would be, kill ubuntu partition, then run grub's boot repair to remove ubuntu's entry and then try to boot kubuntu from its live usb?
[20:51] <BluesKaj>  RoadRunner, what OSs do you ahve on the hdd first of all and do you want to replace ubuntu with kubuntu?
[20:52] <Finetundar> Wait, why not just install the kubuntu-desktop package?
[20:52] <Finetundar> And remove unity and whatever else is disliked
[20:52] <RoadRunner> got WinXP and ubuntu now and I would like to either fix the ubuntu boot first or remove it and first try out kubuntu before installing it
[20:52] <Finetundar> Or is the install just broken?
[20:54] <Finetundar> uh, BluesKaj correct me if I'm wrong, couldn't you just install kubuntu and let it overwrite the grub settings? or will that cause problems?
[20:55] <Finetundar> Sorry if I'm causing confusion
[20:56] <RoadRunner> Finetundar: under ubuntu, I changed monitor settings and turned off "quiet boot".  That made the task bar unreachable for me and when I tried to reboot, the booting doesn't start x, just gets to login and fails at the password stage
[20:57] <Finetundar> ok, ok. Now we're getting somewhere
[20:57] <RoadRunner> when I try to boot into a kubuntu live usb now (on that box), the boot fails reporting a "boot error"
[20:57] <BluesKaj> ok with XP then there no UEFI problems to deal with , that's why I asked what he had installed, Finetundar , but now it's just a straightforward overwrite  in his case
[20:57] <Finetundar> can you boot it up? without the live
[20:59] <RoadRunner> Finetundar: read above :)
[20:59] <Finetundar> BluesKaj: well, it sounds like we can fix the problem without installing a new OS,unless, RoadRunner you do wish to replace ubuntu completly
[20:59] <Finetundar> RoadRunner: I can't scroll back too far, I just logged in a second ago
[21:00] <RoadRunner> Finetundar: under ubuntu, I changed monitor settings and turned off "quiet boot".  That made the task bar unreachable for me and when I tried to reboot, the booting doesn't start x, just gets to login and fails at the password stage
[21:00] <RoadRunner> the ubuntu partition has nothing of value to me - it was just a tester; so I'll do what ever is easier
[21:02] <BluesKaj> RoadRunner, then just delete the ubuntu partition and reformat it to ext4 then install kubuntu, it will also reinstall grub
[21:02] <Finetundar> Beat me to it
[21:03] <RoadRunner> ok, sounds good
[21:03] <RoadRunner> now, another q
[21:03] <Finetundar> shoot
[21:03] <RoadRunner> you can "throw" a file manager window at the edge of the screen and have it resize automatically to occupy 1/2 the screen.  Is that a feature of Unity or of Compiz specifically?
[21:04] <RoadRunner> and is the same functionality available with kubuntu's desktop?
[21:04] <Finetundar> RoadRunner: what version are you gonna install?
[21:05] <RoadRunner> I was going with kubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:06] <Finetundar> moment
[21:06] <BluesKaj> RoadRunner, never tried that with kubuntu kwin, not sure if that's available, but kubuntu's virtual desk tops and pager are superior to ubuntu's version
[21:06] <RoadRunner> waiting :)
[21:06] <Finetundar> I'm checking
[21:07] <RoadRunner> so is that functionality dictated by a windows manager (compiz/KWin)?
[21:10] <Finetundar> RoadRunner: after a breif look, it looks like windows wpill act more like they do in Microsucks Winblows  8/7
[21:10] <BluesKaj> it might be an option in system settings under desktop behaviour called desktop effects, but I'm sure if you research it
[21:11] <BluesKaj> you'll find somethin suitable
[21:13] <RoadRunner> Finetundar: I know that under "Winblows7" it is done by default :)
[21:14] <RoadRunner> BluesKaj: I am just trying to undrstand if that feature is accomplished at the level of a windows manager or above it at the desktop level?
[21:14] <Finetundar> Yeah, it'll act more like that by default
[21:15] <RoadRunner> Finetundar: "Yeah, it'll act more like that by default" in Kubuntu?
[21:16] <Finetundar> yeah, well at least with 15.10
[21:16] <Finetundar> Not sure if it does that with KDE 4 on 14.04, I'd have to reattach that hard drive
[21:18] <RoadRunner> I guess I'll have to dig through settings to be sure
[21:19] <BluesKaj> RoadRunner, we don't use a windows manager exactly like compiz, kwin is an accomplished window manager with many options available , but I'm not sure if that includes what you mean by desktop level
[21:22] <RoadRunner> this ties into my next question re: file managers.  I am after maximum configurability with 4 vert. pannel split views.  For those who used them, can Krusader be superior to Konqueror in some tasks?
[21:29] <BluesKaj> RoadRunner, the default file manager is dolphin in kubuntu since kde4/plasma4 , we're now on plasma 5
[21:29] <RoadRunner> I tried dolphin, its less configurable than the ones I mentioned
[21:31] <BluesKaj> RoadRunner, you'll need to research dolphin as well , it's much more configurable than you think
[21:32] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's ben a long day here, time to close up shop ...take care
[21:32] <RandomNoob> guys is for plasma 5 really good themes?
[21:33] <RoadRunner> thanks for the help thus far; but I did research dolphin and it cannot do 4 vert pannels
[21:35] <Finetundar> But can dolphin not do tabs?
[21:37] <RandomNoob> hello guys. Im trying to create live usb with linux mint on kubuntu.  im using unetbootin. after rebook and trynig to boot from usb im getting error with "missing operating system"
[21:40] <RoadRunner> is there perhaps a more specific channel for discussions on packages someone could recomend?
[22:34] <keithzg> Finetundar: Dolphin does tabs just fine, but if you want 4 panels shown simultaneously (which quickly reading the backlog seems like what RoadRunner was after) you're kindof out of luck. Of course you can always just open two dolphin windows and have each split ;)