[04:27] <retrojeff> looks like apt-xapian-index just got an update
[04:27] <retrojeff> Unpacking apt-xapian-index (0.47ubuntu4) over (0.47ubuntu3) ...
[04:28] <retrojeff> nope
[04:28] <retrojeff> bug still persists
[04:29] <retrojeff> seriously who is working on this package and did they not see the bug report
[04:55] <retrojeff> just when ubuntu gets nice and stable they shift again breaking things
[04:56] <retrojeff> the whole thing with systemd breaking su and sudo
[04:56] <retrojeff> now this
[04:56] <retrojeff> god damn it all
[05:01] <retrojeff> I do not care what anything says synaptic package manager is actually really good
[05:01] <retrojeff> what anyone says*
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:35] <CryptoSiD> initramfs-tools is broken now
[10:35] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14048469/
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:05] <jjlx> Is ubuntu 16.04 going to ship with unity 8 by default?
[17:05] <nicomachus> no.
[17:05] <nicomachus> it's not ready yet.
[17:05] <nicomachus> likely by 16.10
[17:06] <nicomachus> canonical also doesn't like to stick big, new changes in the LTS releases. and unity 8 is a big change.
[17:06] <jjlx> Oh, I see. Well, an LTS release has to be stable.
[17:06] <jjlx> yeah
[17:06] <nicomachus> right. as of now, 16.04+Unity8 won't even work in a VM because they kinda forgot some drivers.
[17:07] <nicomachus> 16.04 works fine (running it now), but unity 8 is missing some drivers for hardware acceleration.
[17:07] <jjlx> nicomachus: Are there going to be any visual changes though? Or is it going to look exactly the same as it does now?
[17:07] <nicomachus> there will be some minor visual change. IIRC the main aim is convergence between desktop and mobile platforms.
[17:08] <nicomachus> there are some guys in here that are running unity 8 already... lotuspsychej for sure but it doesn't look like he's online.
[17:09] <jjlx> nicomachus: I actually tried 16.04 a couple months back... it wasn't really working properly. Must be better now...
[17:11] <nicomachus> it's pretty stable now, for the most part. still quite a few changes day-to-day, but it's getting there. Alpha release is December 31, so that's probably a good time to try it again. :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> yeah and if you're on plasma 5/KDE then the latest upgrades will break the launchers and panel widgets plus the desktop background...all this from the frameworks staging ppa, so if you're running kubuntu xenialon't use that ppa
[17:26] <BluesKaj> I'm managing to use the OS with it's problems hoping the rest of the libs come down the pipe soon
[17:28] <BluesKaj> this is all in preparation for plasma 5.5
[22:30] <retrojeff> if they fix apt-xapian-index by dec 31st
[22:30] <retrojeff> I will jump for joy
[22:30] <nicomachus> retrojeff: that's up to those devs :)
[22:31] <retrojeff> as I stated earlier they released a update to apt-xapian-index
[22:31] <retrojeff> but the bug still persists
[22:31] <nicomachus> I remember seeing you but don't remember the bug or specifics. did you file a bug report?
[22:33] <retrojeff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/1526267/comments/7
[22:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1526267 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu) "Traceback from update-apt-xapian-index" [High,Fix released]
[22:33] <nicomachus> ah ok.
[22:33] <retrojeff> so the solution was to purge software-center
[22:33] <nicomachus> ohhh right. and software center is (supposedly) going away in 16.04.
[22:34] <nicomachus> it's still in the build as of today... but alpha doesn't start for 2 more weeks so we'll see
[22:35] <retrojeff> software-center needs to be removed from the xenial repos
[22:35] <retrojeff> because it is broken
[22:35] <retrojeff> I still use synaptic package manager
[22:36] <retrojeff> and will continue to use synaptic package manager
[22:36] <retrojeff> software-center is and always was a joke
[22:36] <retrojeff> and ugly
[22:36] <retrojeff> synaptic package manager is not for noobs I get that
[22:36] <retrojeff> but us being more skilled need to know whats going on under the hood
[22:37] <nicomachus> lol, it's being replaced with GNOME's "Software" app
[22:37] <retrojeff> even synaptic package manager showing terminal output is nice
[22:37] <nicomachus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[22:37] <retrojeff> yes you linked that already
[22:37] <retrojeff> it too looks like garbage
[22:37] <retrojeff> as I stated I have and will continue to use synaptic package manager
[22:37] <nicomachus> well, sorry. keep using synaptic then.
[22:38] <retrojeff> even comments on that link people agree that synaptic is great
[22:38] <retrojeff> because it is
[22:38] <retrojeff> I have used synaptic since like 10.10
[22:39] <retrojeff> we do not need more spyware ad driven crap
[22:39] <retrojeff> these software center type things are to hand hold noobs to ubuntu
[22:39] <retrojeff> which is fine I get that
[22:40] <nicomachus> I personally think synaptic is clunky and looks like crap.
[22:40] <nicomachus> but I don't use software center either.
[22:40] <retrojeff> you use command line?
[22:40] <retrojeff> sudo apt-get etc
[22:40] <nicomachus> yep.
[22:40] <retrojeff> for me its 50/50 I use both command line and synaptic
[22:41] <retrojeff> cause in synaptic you can right click a package and change from remove to purge
[22:41] <retrojeff> or from purge to remove
[22:43] <retrojeff> I still cant even get the mysql repo to show up in synaptic
[22:43] <retrojeff> and its probley cause of this apt-xapian-index bug
[22:50] <OerHeks> retrojeff, did you tried this > "sudo rm /var/lib/apt-xapian-index/cataloged_times.p && sudo rm /var/lib/apt-xapian-index/values && sudo update-apt-xapian-index --verbose --force " from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[22:51] <retrojeff> I am waiting for the updated version of apt-xapian-index
[22:51] <retrojeff> a fix was released
[22:51] <retrojeff> we just dont have it yet
[22:51] <retrojeff> I am in PM with a maintainer now to get this resolved