[00:07] <daftykins> i'm being asked what EGL dev libs are needed to compile software that depends on it - and whether mesa is required
[00:07] <daftykins> or whether mesa is the only choice o0
[00:09] <slidinghorn> aw man, i missed fun stuff? Dang job...hows everyones night so far?
[00:13] <TJ-> daftykins: there's some mesa-egl libs
[00:13] <TJ-> libegl1-mesa
[00:14] <TJ-> so for building against it I'd guess libegl1-mesa-dev
[00:15] <daftykins> yeah he reckons they're the ones now, is concerned their going on might break VDPAU with nvidia though :D
[00:15] <daftykins> TJ-: thanks :>
[00:15] <TJ-> well nvidia's implementation is prorietary
[00:41] <Bashing-om> daftykins: IRT ana_ " ii  linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal  " But with all trusty kernels installed . " iU " for standards > care advised .
[00:42] <daftykins> TJ-: perhaps ana doesn't have pastebinit installed? could we just go ahead with a dpkg -r <headers package> or are you worried sda6 may be the true root partition and it'd make it moot?
[00:42] <daftykins> Bashing-om: good spot! looks like before this inodes trouble someone was trying to apply an older HWE
[00:43] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Been bit a couple of times .. I look now before I leap .
[00:43] <daftykins> :D
[00:44] <daftykins> all the HWE methods are still messy imo, be great if there was a tool that handled it
[00:44] <TJ-> daftykins: I think sda3 might be /boot/
[00:44] <daftykins> hrmm
[00:45] <nicomachus> TJ-: what do the () do on that cat command? just enclosing what is set to the pastebin?
[00:45] <daftykins> at 14GB? :O
[00:45] <daftykins> yeah it's encapsulation of commands i think, i've seen TJ- write multiple then they both get performed :>
[00:46] <nicomachus> ah cool.
[00:46] <daftykins> in my head i think of it as the fish pastebin! :D
[00:46] <TJ-> nicomachus: yes, it's a subshell who's results are delivered to pastebinit via a file-descriptor; as far as pastebinit is concerned it is actually opening a file the same as if it had /var/log/some.log
[00:46] <TJ-> nicomachus: I use it that way rather than pipes because the command being first makes it clear to the user what we're expecting them to do
[00:46] <TJ-> nicomachus: plus it's easy to run multiple commands in the one pastebin result
[00:48] <daftykins> re: ana's latest, i think we're good to go
[00:48] <daftykins> it's a dualboot
[00:50] <TJ-> yes but why is sda3 and sda6 both mounted to / - one is overlaying/obscuring the other
[00:51] <TJ-> the order and size suggests sda3 is supposed to be /boot/
[00:51] <daftykins> hang on first time we got - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14041056/
[00:52] <daftykins> i don't know why the inode one is wonky but i think it's ok
[00:52] <TJ-> Oh, so sda3 is / and sda6 is /home/ ?
[00:52] <TJ-> how the heck has that got messed up?
[00:53] <daftykins> the df -i paste is confusing :D
[00:53] <daftykins> huzzah a confirming paste of mounts at last
[00:55] <TJ-> if only 319M has been used on /home/ what the heck is installed to use up 12G on the root fs?
[00:56] <nicomachus> manually sticking stuff that should be in /home/ into /?
[00:57] <nicomachus> Documents, Music, etc
[00:57] <daftykins> :D
[00:57] <TJ-> possibly, or something like a bittorrent client storing stuff under /var/
[00:58] <daftykins> i think making some inode breathing room will help for starters
[00:58] <daftykins> though i think the utopic HWE is a mistake now
[00:58] <TJ-> definitely
[00:59] <Bashing-om> daftykins: IRT ana_ / been my experience one wants to pull the image files prior to purging the headers (??) .
[01:00] <daftykins> mmm i guess we'll hear about that one very shortly XD
[01:00] <TJ-> you could give the command as in ... remove linux-{image,headers}-3.3.13.0-{33,34,35,36,37}-generic or whatever the ABI numbers are
[01:01] <Tarminquay> How much faster is Xubuntu vs Xubuntu MATE?
[01:01] <Tarminquay> Only noticeable on archaic hardware?
[01:02] <daftykins> :D
[01:03] <daftykins> TJ-: sounds good, far better than what i would have done
[01:03] <daftykins> i think i'm going to head off actually, i'm in a zombie state right now - sleep required
[01:03] <TJ-> it can be hairy ensuring multiple expansions will generate the correct set; I play with it using 'echo ...'
[01:03] <TJ-> same here, night all
[01:04] <daftykins> :D
[01:14] <Tarminquay> I would prefer if possible purchasing from Amazon.
[01:15] <Tarminquay> I prefer doing business with them because they give no-hassle returns.
[01:15] <Tarminquay> Wrong chan
[01:15] <daftykins> you're damn right
[01:15] <Tarminquay> LOOL.
[01:16] <Tarminquay> Somebody shirked their duty and failed to remove that tack.
[01:16] <daftykins> it's actually you who's butthurt, because you couldn't get what you want here despite being given lots of free off topic responses
[01:17] <daftykins> so i suggest you discover that you are entitled to nothing on this network - and be thankful for what assistance you did receive
[01:18] <daftykins> growing up a fair amount would also do wonders
[01:20] <slidinghorn> + a lot...definitely more than 1
[03:04] <slidinghorn> I really need to brush up on vms, apparently. Lots of questions involve them
[03:06] <nicomachus> I use one at work to tool around with ubuntu, but don't have a ton of experience with them.
[03:06] <nicomachus> I set up a xenial VM last week. that was fun.
[03:06] <nicomachus> just got a... pleasant pm. https://imgur.com/9pn2GPs
[03:16] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: ^^ a task for #ubuntu-ops ?
[03:16] <nicomachus> yea I sent them that screenshot. he's already logged off, and I don't see him in any of the user lists, but it's been reported. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:18] <nicomachus> IP is in Amsterdam, so maybe he's just cold and bitter.
[03:20] <Bashing-om> some people, if they are not happy .. do what they can to make sure no one else is happy .
[03:20] <nicomachus> spose so.
[03:22] <Tarminquay> http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-i3-4010U-Barebones-Thickness-GB-BXi3H-4010/dp/B00I05NH9S/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1450235662&sr=8-5&keywords=gigabyte+nuc#customerReviews
[03:22] <Tarminquay> "Get the best, Cry Once"
[03:22] <Tarminquay> Looks like everyone should have at least one of these.
[03:22] <Tarminquay> I'm placing my order for the i3 5010U.
[03:23] <Tarminquay> I'm gearing it up with Ubuntu MATE for the perfect compromise between desktop elegance and responsiveness.
[03:24] <Bashing-om> Tarminquay: ^ then you best read up on a core install and xfce for the DE .
[03:24] <Tarminquay> Why?
[03:24] <Bashing-om> desktop elegance and responsiveness. // You can have it your way .
[03:25] <Tarminquay> XFCE isn't as nice as MATE.
[03:25] <Tarminquay> the i3 with plenty of ram can comfortably handle MATE.
[03:25] <Tarminquay> What is a core install?
[03:27] <Bashing-om> Tarminquay: Install a kernel and start building .
[03:27] <Tarminquay> That's ridiculous.
[03:27] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: are you following this issue with chull?
[03:27] <Tarminquay> The MATE version of Ubuntu is all I need.
[03:28] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah some what . But I am not familiar with the app .
[03:29] <nicomachus> it's just a dock... but she says she removed it, got an error saying it wasn't installed, and then the sidebar icons were removed.
[03:29] <OerHeks> .. and it was not installed at all :-D
[03:29] <OerHeks> strange story
[03:29] <Bashing-om> Tarminquay: Grest . Good 'nuff is good 'nuf .. but you did say performance !
[03:30] <Bashing-om> I find it real hard to use something that is not installed .
[03:32] <nicomachus> cue twilight zone theme
[03:32] <Tarminquay> Bashing-om: Ubuntu MATE is good enough for me.
[03:36] <nicomachus> pro-tip: realtek wifi drivers + ubuntu != happiness
[03:37] <Tarminquay> You think that Gigabyte box is going to be troublesome with Ubuntu?
[03:37] <Tarminquay> Gigabit LAN (Realtek RTL8111G)
[03:37] <Tarminquay> Here's the card.
[03:37] <nicomachus> idk, does it use realtek drivers for wifi? because my wifi dongle does and I'd throw it in the trash if I could
[03:37] <nicomachus> oh I haven't heard about issues with that one. rtl8188 and rtl8192 are the bad ones.
[03:38] <Tarminquay> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1022411
[03:38] <Tarminquay> Issues back in 2008.
[03:39] <Tarminquay> It's a pretty standard product, nicomachus, this Gigabyte i3.
[03:39] <Tarminquay> I don't see why a mainstream distro like Ubuntu would have any issues with the components.
[03:39] <Tarminquay> If it has any issues the developers need to get on them ASAP because this is not an obscure product.
[03:39] <Tarminquay> It's a top selle.r
[03:57] <nicomachus> chull is starting to sound very, very broken.
[03:58] <nicomachus> ok, maybe my brain is broken.
[03:58] <OerHeks> my wallet is broken :-(
[03:59] <OerHeks> lost 2 dimes today
[03:59] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: maybe is broken, but you are not . so far no fault with your logic .
[04:32] <Tarminquay> Hi guys.
[04:32] <Tarminquay> Any hardware talk in here?
[04:32] <Tarminquay> I'm a Ubuntu MATE user..
[04:33] <Tarminquay> Wouldn't use anything else.
[04:33] <Tarminquay> http://www.itxcanada.com/index.php?p=product&id=1373&parent=129
[04:33] <Tarminquay> http://www.ncix.com/detail/zotac-zbox-ci520nano-p-u-core-i3-4020y-4gb-9a-105765-1241.htm
[04:33] <Tarminquay> Which box do you like better and why?
[04:34] <Tarminquay> These are two very competitive boxes.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:22] <dotpixis> lotuspsychje: good morning
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> hey dotpixis
[07:32] <Tarminquay> http://vishveshtech.blogspot.ca/2015/06/gigabyte-brix-s-gb-bxi3h-5010-intel-i3.html
[07:32] <Tarminquay> I bought this box.
[07:32] <Tarminquay> It was rated 10 out of 10.
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> hey Tarminquay
[07:34] <Tarminquay> Hi lotuspsychje
[07:34] <Tarminquay> Do you like the Box I bought?
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> Tarminquay: cool, barebone
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> Tarminquay: gonna put ubuntu on it?
[07:35] <Tarminquay> Yes.
[07:35] <Tarminquay> Actually, I bought it from ITXCanada
[07:35] <Tarminquay> it comes with 8GB of ram and 120 GB SSD.
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> Tarminquay: how much did it cost you
[07:36] <Tarminquay> $540 + tax.
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> hmmm bit pricey
[07:37] <Tarminquay> $30 shipping.
[07:37] <Tarminquay> It's Canadian dollars.
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> how much is that in euro or dollars?
[07:42] <Tarminquay> Well, maybe $400 USD.
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> kk
[08:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> all ok mate?
[08:55] <lordievader> Morning lotuspsychje
[08:55] <lordievader> Doing okay here, how are you?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> fine thank you
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> reading bit news
[08:56]  * lordievader is reading cron-mail
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:02] <bonzibuddy> hello
[09:06] <lordievader> Bonzi? Wow, haven't seen that one in a long time ;)
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> hi bonzibuddy
[09:07] <lordievader> Why the nick though?
[09:18] <bonzibuddy> lordievader: because i can :D
[09:18] <lordievader> ... XD
[11:20] <Tarminquay_> Thoughts?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:28]  * daftykins groans
[15:31]  * OerHeks blups
[15:33] <daftykins> what's a blup? :D
[15:34] <OerHeks> bubble of air
[15:36] <daftykins> ah har
[15:40] <daftykins> mmm warm all butter croissant and pan au chocolate for lunch
[15:40] <daftykins> *chocolat maybe
[15:45] <nicomachus> a lot of the scopes were removed from xenial on Monday. Musique, Clementine, etc. all the media scopes. I'm guessing online will be next.
[15:48] <OerHeks> i think it is a great move, that amazon-thingy, let people be aware of their data
[15:54] <BluesKaj> amazon is a pita email spam-wise,  but we find shopping online so darn convenient that I just put up with it
[15:54] <nicomachus> signing up for Micro Center emails was the best thing I ever did. those guys have some great sales.
[15:58] <nicomachus> hahahaha, have you guys ever done "apt-get moo"?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> yeah we have a simiar store here in Canada, NCIX ...good deals and fast delivery
[16:18] <daftykins> i figured there was a whiff in here today still ;)
[16:21]  * OerHeks smells a husky
[16:23] <daftykins> :D
[16:28] <TJ-> After-hectic-noon :D
[16:29] <OerHeks> hi TJ-
[16:32] <daftykins> \o
[16:36] <daftykins> aww finally got a number for the sub repair but no answer
[16:37] <TJ-> I've got a working talking mobo now, so can use it to fix the others :)
[16:38] <daftykins> :D
[17:25] <daftykins> nicomachus: i wonder if that user's situation is as simple as using the wrong account / permissions preventing settings change in ~/ ?
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> good evening mates
[17:28] <daftykins> \o
[17:28] <nicomachus> daftykins: good thought. any way to verify that tweak tool has the right perms?
[17:28]  * lotuspsychje is updating his bq to OTA 8.5
[17:28] <daftykins> nicomachus: an ls -al ~/ would show whether any of the config paths are owned by another user, often we get users running 'sudo startx' then trashing their home perms
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> and updated xenial box also
[17:28] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: :)
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[17:33] <TJ-> if you want to locate files NOT owned by the user, do "find $HOME ! -uid $(id -u) -ls"
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> hey eric
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[17:36] <nicomachus> hmm... permissions look fine, daftykins
[17:37] <daftykins> well there are two folders there that at the root are owned by root instead of the user
[17:37] <daftykins> but yeah don't seem to be relevant ones, i'd try what TJ- said to be sure
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> alot of news today: http://linux.softpedia.com/
[17:40] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> hey mate
[17:40] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx and you?
[17:40] <EriC^^> great thanks
[17:41] <EriC^^> wow 39
[17:41] <EriC^^> we're becoming a cult :D
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah i keep inviting friendly guys :p
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> and alot of regulars forget to auto add to favs also :p
[17:42] <EriC^^> haha
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> nono its not you :p
[17:42] <EriC^^> lol
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> monkey and ioria
[17:43] <EriC^^> :D
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> !inof linux-image-generic xenial
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> 4.3 :p
[17:44] <EriC^^> nice
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> and a new grub exploit out there: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2836-1/
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> all update to latest :p
[17:46] <TJ-> nothing major
[17:46] <TJ-> only affects folks that set a password on their grub.cfg
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> ah
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> good to know TJ-
[17:46] <TJ-> I got Mark to push out a fix yesterday
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:47] <TJ-> they were going to leave it until after the winter holiday
[17:47] <daftykins> TJ-: in the pics of your office i didn't see the red phone to Canonical HQ ;)
[17:47] <OerHeks> red headset
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: you are the 40th user!!! you have wonthe price today: http://weknowyourdreams.com/image.php?pic=/images/apple/apple-05.jpg
[17:47] <nicomachus> it's #DD4814 Orange, daftykins
[17:47] <daftykins> :>
[17:47] <EriC^^> "you can do it Mark.. *heavy breathing* ho - ho - ho ... push... ho- ho - ho push.."
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:48] <EriC^^> i think i see the head, one last big push mark
[17:48] <daftykins> EriC^^: i didn't realise he had to birth every mythical creature each release was named after...
[17:48] <EriC^^> lol
[17:48] <lordievader> Err... Okay?
[17:48] <TJ-> Security team lead Marc (not Mark) Deslauriers
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:49] <daftykins> d'aww that's our entertainment ruined ;)
[18:00] <nicomachus> well i don't care if it's ruined, I made a render of TJ-'s emergency phone: http://i.imgur.com/B4IScj7.png
[18:01] <daftykins> :D
[18:01] <nicomachus> sigh... vbox still leaking memory.
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: have you tried launching from terminal?
[18:05] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: host is W7
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> right
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: maybe your w7 is full of spyware :p
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> and giving memory to rootkits and malware
[18:07] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: that would be a very serious problem indeed. :) but it's not.
[18:08] <daftykins> don't let that meanie lotus be nasty about Windows ;)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: open taskmanager while you vbox and checkout?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> and open a netsta
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> netstat
[18:12] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: I have it's memory usage graphed in performance monitor
[18:15] <slidinghorn> so I just logged in to find some jerk sent me a really rude pm from the support channel...not sure who they are or why they felt the need to do that, but yeah....good morning, I guess, lol
[18:15] <EriC^^> did it involve the word "bastard" ?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: wich one?
[18:16] <nicomachus> slidinghorn: I got that last night.
[18:16] <daftykins> slidinghorn: check they're still active and report them to #ubuntu-ops
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: i mserious mate, scan your system with malwarebytes and spybot
[18:16] <slidinghorn> EriC^^: yeah...
[18:16] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: I assure you, it's clean.
[18:16] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: that's not gonna make virtualbox use RAM ;)
[18:16] <EriC^^> slidinghorn: i get those sometimes
[18:16] <OerHeks> report them in #ubuntu-ops
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: if other things eat his ram
[18:16] <slidinghorn> so weird....ok
[18:17] <EriC^^> some guy picks random people who are active in the channel and starts pm'ing
[18:17] <OerHeks> got a spam recently to install a firewall with malware :-D
[18:17] <OerHeks> no, he was not in the channel at all
[18:17] <OerHeks> :-D
[18:17] <daftykins> how wude
[18:17] <daftykins> they've... adapted ¬_¬
[18:17] <OerHeks> maybe has been, harvesting.
[18:18] <daftykins> ah wb Bashing-om o/
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: i once had a customer, that bought antivirus 2007, payed 60 $ for it, and had 200 malwares inside
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[18:18] <EriC^^> hey Bashing-om
[18:19] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Howdy - procrastinating, but I will get back to my chores here directly . // EriC^^ How goes your world ?
[18:19] <OerHeks> ehh ..you sold antivirus with 200 malwares?
[18:19] <OerHeks> gotcha
[18:19] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: good good :)
[18:20] <daftykins> :D yep all ok here
[18:20] <daftykins> up and out early tomorrow to start cabling up a house for network and phone
[18:20] <nicomachus> rebooting.
[18:20] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Ya finding anything for gainful emploment ?
[18:20] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: not really
[18:21] <Bashing-om> daftykins: New construction .. or are you mouseing the cabling ?
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: the guy bought it online somewhere
[18:22] <daftykins> a friends an electrician so he's put it all in, i've only got to terminate :)
[18:22] <daftykins> just some folks with a house that they've stripped back to the bare floorboards
[18:22] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Bummer, but it turms up when you least expect it .
[18:23] <EriC^^> yeah that's true
[18:24] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Test pprior to covering it all up, huh ?
[18:25] <daftykins> well nothing will be final as they're moving around the house a lot, mostly switching one temporary setup for another temporary setup to keep them online etc :)
[18:26] <nicomachus> OerHeks: setting to +r might hav helped with the massive flood of spam that came through last night.
[18:26] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Ouch . Time consumming in making all the switching about . Hope they pay well !
[18:27] <daftykins> should mean more and more work really :D annoyingly the patch panel i ordered in has to be sent back so now i have to wait for another one
[19:00] <nicomachus> vbox is so weird.
[19:36] <daftykins> hmm 3.13.0-73 for trusty
[19:44]  * slidinghorn snickers but composes self
[19:45] <daftykins> about what?
[19:45] <daftykins> also i do like a good Snickers bar
[19:50] <slidinghorn> I was being mean...someone told another to go to /etc/grub.d/ and they asked if it was an IRC channel
[19:50] <daftykins> that *was* pretty bad
[19:51] <daftykins> i wonder what they would've done if told to go /home ...
[19:52] <slidinghorn> "I'm already there...sitting in my living room as we speak!"
[20:04] <Bashing-om> daftykins: 3.13.0-73 hit my mirror this morning when I logged onto the system I upgraded .
[20:05] <daftykins> :D
[20:06] <daftykins> the update notification at login seems a bit broken on mine
[20:09] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Honestly .. I run bare essentials . Minimal automation - My habit is 1st thing check for updates when logging back on . Then again your morror may not have caught up yet .
[20:10] <daftykins> gb.archive has actually been oddly slow for me of late
[20:11] <daftykins> but yeah who knows when it got them :D
[20:13] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I was using a university's mirror site, I giess the students kept the server up .. was generally a week behind .. then started having lots of access problems .. last time it went down for our ubuntu repo after 4 days I swapped mittor sites . This one I have now is fast in syncing up with mother .
[20:13] <Bashing-om> mittor/mirror *
[20:16] <daftykins> pesky students :D
[20:16] <nicomachus> well, vbox mem leaks seem to be related to 3D acceleration... not sure exactly what yet, though.
[20:25] <nicomachus> self-driving car running on ubuntu :D
[20:25] <nicomachus> http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-george-hotz-self-driving-car/
[20:25] <daftykins> *kernel panic*
[20:25] <OerHeks> grub backslash :-D
[20:25] <EriC^^> *kernel rage*
[20:26] <EriC^^> *GTA mode initiated*
[20:27] <daftykins> lane changed to: pavement
[20:30] <nicomachus> Wow. during the test with the reporter, the reporter asks what it felt like the first time Holtz got it to work.
[20:30] <nicomachus> Holtz replies: “Dude,” he says, “the first time it worked was this morning.”
[20:30] <nicomachus> terrifying.
[20:57] <lotuspsychje> ooo 42
[20:57] <lotuspsychje> what did i win?
[21:01] <nicomachus> wow, I didn't know you get on IRC from Tehran
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> iran?
[21:03] <nicomachus> reza_sam's IP traces to Tehran, Iran
[21:04] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: yeah we had iran users before
[21:04] <nicomachus> cool.
[21:05] <daftykins> "run through a gantlet" comes to something when even bloomberg can't avoid typos
[21:05] <daftykins> i had kind of pictured geohot achieving a bit more in life by this point though :P
[21:05] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:05] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: found a purpose for your 2nd ssd yet mate?
[21:05] <nicomachus> daftykins: seems like he's bounced around a bit trying to decide what he wants to do
[21:09] <daftykins> newp not a clue!
[21:09] <daftykins> almost tempting to just send it back, but it's not like £33 is much
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: extra fast ssd storage?
[21:14] <daftykins> i don't need any storage tbh, already got 10TB on tap
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> right :p
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> send it to lotuspsychje by the post
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> and ill transfer you money
[21:15] <pauljw> hi everyone
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[21:16] <pauljw> :)
[21:16] <Bashing-om> pauljw: Just in time .. the fun has started .
[21:16] <pauljw> good... ;)
[21:19] <slidinghorn> daftykins: You can ship international?  I can haz?
[21:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:20] <Bashing-om> pauljw: Heads up ... It has been " Oh now you tell us " having to dig to get information .
[21:20] <pauljw> oh boy
[21:21] <lotuspsychje> hi philipballew
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-applications-15-12-launches-for-kde-plasma-5-5-with-spectacle-screenshot-tool-497730.shtml
[21:24] <philipballew> lotuspsychje, what up dude?
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> chillin and readin some uubntu news philipballew
[21:25] <philipballew> lotuspsychje, anything good there?
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: there was some nice news today yes
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: xenial on 4.3 kernel
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> xenial removed online search from dash
[21:25] <philipballew>  hum, I should read that tonight then
[21:26] <philipballew> seems odd
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> new OTA 8.5 for phones out
[21:26] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, thanks, kubuntu is a little behind in the plasma 5.5 packaging, but we anticipate the backports will have it soon
[21:26] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: you may have been gone... did you see self-driving car that runs on ubuntu?
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah mcphail posted it in #ubuntu-touch
[21:27] <nicomachus> nice.
[21:27] <slidinghorn> that "smart_pussy" person was a bit of a troll yesterday...be advised
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx for the update slidinghorn
[21:28] <nicomachus> can a nick break guidelines?
[21:28] <lotuspsychje> yes nicomachus
[21:28] <pauljw> got something against cats?  :)
[21:28] <slidinghorn> I asked him to change it yesterday...he's apparently got it back to it
[21:28] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks recently had to guideline a nick wich child related issues
[21:28] <nicomachus> LOL. yesterday he changed it to dumb_dicks or something for a few mins.
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: some nicks have words against freenodes policy
[21:29] <pauljw> ah geez, probably 12 years old..
[21:30] <slidinghorn> waits for ban hammer to be drawn....
[21:30] <pauljw> heheh...
[21:31] <nicomachus> and the hammer comes down
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> also nice news source, for those who didnt know it yet: https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[21:32]  * nicomachus wants to learn Russian just so he can type in that beautiful looking script.
[21:33] <slidinghorn> was completely unaware of that (believe it or not)...thanks lotuspsychje
[21:33] <nicomachus> how do I not have that on one of my tweetdeck lists...
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> your welcome :p
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> im not tweet or fb fan myself, but this ubuntu related can do it :p
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> the less they know of me the better
[21:35] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: did you try unity8 on xenial yet?
[21:35] <slidinghorn> I love twitter...usually
[21:37] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: no, it still doesn't work in Virtualbox.
[21:37] <lotuspsychje> kk
[21:37] <nicomachus> and I'm still afraid to put it on my laptop at home, because I'm starting a new job January 4th and that'll be my main workstation.
[21:37] <nicomachus> I think. Unless they provide me a laptop. but I doubt they'll do that.
[21:37] <daftykins> live session alone not cut it for a brief stab?
[21:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah if work needs windowz
[21:38] <lotuspsychje> better wait
[21:38] <nicomachus> I suppose I could, daftykins. I'm using xenial in this VM right now, just not unity 8
[21:39] <nicomachus> and I don't need windows for the job, lotuspsychje, but I do need stability.
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: yeah things still can break on xenial so
[21:39] <nicomachus> exactly. :)
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> but my desktop still looks pretty stable to me
[21:40] <nicomachus> xenial's been pretty good on this VM except for the mem leaks.
[21:41] <nicomachus> and of course a ton of PPAs don't have xenial releases yet.
[21:41] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: talk to the vbox guys perhaps for windows related memory issues?
[21:41] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: how much ram do you have?
[21:41] <nicomachus> Been trying. it's likely something to do with the 3D Acelleration.
[21:41] <nicomachus> 16gb on the host. 2gb allocated to the guest.
[21:42] <nicomachus> but the guest hasn't used more than 500mb really at any time.
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> try 4 gig on the guest?
[21:42] <TJ-> There are several well-known, and some currently unfixed, large memory leaks with VirtualBox according to their bug-tracker. Some of them are triggered by using the Gui Manager, or Preview feature
[21:43] <daftykins> being asked to look at some apple products tomorrow, blech
[21:43] <nicomachus> TJ-: yea it looked like there were quite a few reported in VirtualBox 4.x, so I had hoped they were resolved in 5.0.10, but guess not. :/
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: doing what exactly?
[21:43] <daftykins> just photo transfer from one iPad to another
[21:44] <nicomachus> easy peasy.
[21:44] <daftykins> not given i have to go to them
[21:44] <daftykins> :P
[21:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:44] <lotuspsychje> your not going to steal their pics daftykins
[21:45] <nicomachus> the fappening pt. 3, sponsored by daftykins
[21:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:45] <daftykins> i don't find that funny
[21:45] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: whats her name :p
[21:45] <daftykins> my first thought was just throwing on iCloud photostream and letting that take care of it
[21:46] <lotuspsychje> this is just why i love ubuntu touch
[21:46] <lotuspsychje> nice file manager
[21:47] <daftykins> that doesn't really help you going from one device to another though
[21:47] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: to give you an idea of the mem leak issue: https://imgur.com/nXybZ9k
[21:47] <lotuspsychje> the cloud
[21:47] <TJ-> nicomachus: is the guest accessing shared folders on the host?
[21:48] <nicomachus> TJ-: nope.
[21:48] <nicomachus> just clipboard.
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i would advise to store photo's on other media
[21:49] <daftykins> that's not really the task at hand though
[21:49] <TJ-> nicomachus: OK, apparently that's one known scenario. I found this (makes me wonder if you can test woth 5.0.8) https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/14850
[21:51] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: something like this? http://www.phototransferapp.com/ipad/
[21:52] <daftykins> mmm not sure there's a need to go to a third party
[21:52] <nicomachus> TJ-: found a download of it, I'll give it a shot in the morning. don't have much time left today.
[21:53] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: im sure the store has something free like that
[21:53] <daftykins> well it depends if the built in feature is a problem
[21:53] <TJ-> nicomachus: right. This seems to be direct, tagged list: https://www.virtualbox.org/query?status=!closed&keywords=~leak
[21:56] <TJ-> there's an interesting one where 3D compositor is enabled in the guest, caused by bad host graphics drivers: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/13526
[21:56] <nicomachus> TJ-: this one seems most similar, minus the stuff about Dash being open: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/13526
[21:56] <TJ-> LOL snap
[21:56] <nicomachus> well.
[21:57] <daftykins> randomnoob just asked me how to add "bs=2M" to the dd command :(
[21:57] <TJ-> well you can test this one by disabling compositing - use a different DE to Unity for a test session
[21:57] <daftykins> in a PM no less :(
[21:57] <nicomachus> TJ-: by luck, I have i3 installed and somewhat configured on this VM...
[21:57] <TJ-> ahhh, you need /umode +g
[21:57] <TJ-> nicomachus: is it using compositing ?
[21:58] <TJ-> Because the root of that bug would be - I infer - the host not corretly accounting for 'virtual' GPU memory for textures
[21:58] <nicomachus> uhhh... I have 3D acceleration enabled inthe Vbox manager
[21:59] <nicomachus> but it would absolutely make sense that my host has outdated graphics drivers. updates are pushed from sysadmin, who sucks.
[22:00] <nicomachus> not that I could do better, but surely someone could.
[22:00] <nicomachus> TJ-: I just realized I have the same graphics chipset as that bug report.
[22:03] <daftykins> that's harsh, if i were in charge of a network of systems for a firm i would maintain what works, not do what these youngsters do of chasing version numbers
[22:03] <daftykins> you've got to see your exact situation as niche as hell, right? :)
[22:05] <nicomachus> well... all of our PC's are still running IE9, and need admin credentials (which someone gave me for some reason) to install ANYTHING else.
[22:07] <daftykins> must be a web app or program that uses old *shrug*
[22:07] <nicomachus> the admin credentials part makes sense, but not IE9. IE10 is EOL in January, so we severely need an update.
[22:07] <daftykins> well some contracts are keeping IE8 going on XP *shrug*
[22:07] <nicomachus> but the IT department manages thousands of different offices across the country, so I guess I can't blame them too much.
[22:10] <nicomachus> rebooting
[22:15] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[22:24] <nicomachus> hmmm... installed the new intel drivers and it does seem to be more stable.
[22:25] <nicomachus> if I open the dash it does jump up a bit, but falls right back down when I close it.
[22:29] <TJ-> Result :)
[22:30] <nicomachus> Yea, that seems to have resolved it so far. :) I'll know more tomorrow when I can let it run a bit longer. Thanks TJ-!
[22:30] <nicomachus> !cookie | TJ-
[22:30]  * TJ- is too full :D
[22:30] <daftykins> ooh speaking of cookies
[23:09] <slidinghorn> ws that the sameerson again?
[23:10] <daftykins> slidinghorn: so far you're winning the prize of most vague messages here in -discuss :)
[23:10] <daftykins> however a little context would be handy!
[23:11] <slidinghorn> ban hammer came out again in support
[23:13] <daftykins> ah ok, pretty regular
[23:13] <daftykins> when they're awake
[23:13] <TJ-> migraines and programming don't mix; wish I felt tired!
[23:14] <slidinghorn> I just figured it was the same one as before because of the nick...was another inappropriate one
[23:16] <pauljw> sorry to hear that TJ- , my wife suffers with migraines, they're miserable...
[23:16] <slidinghorn> TJ-: that sucks...I get those too from time to time
[23:18] <pauljw> any of you guys played around in opensuse?  i installed it in vbox and it didn't seem to play well so tonight i'm trying it in kvm hoping it will be better.
[23:18] <TJ-> yeah, I'll get over it; it's like having a twisted ankle when I want to run :)
[23:18] <daftykins> mmm never tried i'm afraid
[23:18] <TJ-> I started out on SuSE in the 1990s :)
[23:18] <pauljw> :)
[23:18] <daftykins> i must sleep! later folks o/
[23:18] <pauljw> later...
[23:18] <TJ-> night :)
[23:18] <slidinghorn> later daftykins
[23:20] <Bashing-om> Gnite daftykins
[23:21] <pauljw> that's cool TJ- , i like to check things out, new to kvm too so this should be fun...
[23:24] <TJ-> kvm is actually implemented fully in Qemu now, so KVM is 'just' the acronym for the Linux kernel virtual machine interface
[23:26] <TJ-> I've been using kvm/qemu since 2007 in earnest. The one thing its not designed for is hosting GUIs that require accelerated 3D graphics
[23:27] <TJ-> Intel and others are recently focusing on adding that functionality, both GPU PCI pass-through but also full virtualised guest GPUs
[23:28] <pauljw> ah, good.  so far so good with my install, seems to be more responsive with kvm.
[23:29] <pauljw> my laptop has plenty of horsepower
[23:33] <TJ-> as long as the BIOS doesn't disable the CPUs VT extenstions the virtualisation overheard is minimal
[23:33] <slidinghorn> I wonder how long it takes for freenode to allow more connections...the free shell I use hit their limit and has to ask for more
[23:42] <pauljw> TJ-, kvm-ok says i'm good... :)
[23:44] <TJ-> I had to hack Sony's back in 2007 due to BIOS lock-out
[23:44] <TJ-> and about a week ago I helped daftykins unlock his Sony's VT; was a bit of deja-vu
[23:50] <pauljw> fun
[23:51] <pauljw> must say, suse shows nice fit and polish with gnome de, i like it.