[01:04] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: IRT chull maybe reset to defaults ' delete ~/.dmrc , ~/.config/dconf and ~/.config/compiz-1 ' ??
[01:07] <nicomachus> does that just restore unity to defaults?
[01:09] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah .. should . I look at it that a purge will not remove the config files for, /home . A reinstall still has the old config settings .
[01:10] <nicomachus> not even purge --remove unity*?
[01:11] <nicomachus> I'm curious about perms right now because settings in the system settings were "greyed out".
[01:11] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Well, there is a bunch I do not know - I do not run unity - but I do understand that purging any app will not effect files on one's /home .
[01:12] <nicomachus> ah ok. well after I see if she even has proper ownership of /home, I'll have her try that. thank you.
[01:12] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Permissions too could be an issue !
[01:12] <nicomachus> oh boy.
[01:12] <nicomachus> everything is "root"
[01:13] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Uh Huh ! You hit that nail square !
[01:20] <InkisJLane> Which flavor of Ubuntu is equivalent in terms of resource consumption to Chrome OS?
[01:21] <pauljw> bbl
[01:22] <nicomachus> InkisJLane: no idea, never used Chrome OS.
[01:22] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: IRT chull :: how bout ' sudo chown vir2:vir2 /home/vir2 ' to revert those permisions ?
[01:22] <nicomachus> would that do it? I've been googling for a bit here and couldn't find that. haha
[01:22] <InkisJLane> nicomachus: It's very light.
[01:23] <InkisJLane> Remember, it's a browser OS.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah .. will do it .. seen ya had a lapse of memory .
[01:23] <nicomachus> InkisJLane: the lightest ubuntu flavors are Lubuntu and Kubuntu
[01:23] <InkisJLane> Extremely optimized for what it does. Imagine if your browser was your whole OS.
[01:23] <InkisJLane> Kubuntu?
[01:23] <InkisJLane> That's KDE!
[01:23] <InkisJLane> Are you crazy?
[01:24] <nicomachus> some days.
[01:24] <InkisJLane> Why would you say Kubuntu?
[01:25] <nicomachus> because it's resource-light.
[01:25] <nicomachus> compared to ubuntu with unity.
[01:27] <InkisJLane> Doubt it.
[01:33] <nicomachus> I totally meant xubuntu instead of kubuntu. oh well.
[01:46] <Bashing-om> Gonna go jump in the rain locker, biab .
[02:12] <Bashing-om> Back, do not know if better, but Wife thinks it is .
[02:13] <nicomachus> lol. she tell you that you were smelly?
[02:21] <Bashing-om> Let's say a very strtog g hint -- changed the bed sheets .
[02:30] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: gonna have chull restore to default. so "sudo rm -r ~/.dmrc ~/.config/dconf ~/.config/compiz-1" should do it?
[02:31] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Do not recall that the files are nested . Umm . bet -r not required . But shud do it .
[02:32] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: !!! ouch .. we are in the /home directory .. NO sudo !
[02:33] <nicomachus> ahhhh. hopefully caught her.
[02:33] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I got distracted a bit here .. I should also have been quicker . sorry .
[02:34] <nicomachus> np, I should have known. we just restored those perms...
[02:34] <Bashing-om> :)
[02:50] <nicomachus> looks like one of those was a directory. so -r?
[03:03] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Should be able to reboot and the default files restored for unity .
[03:05] <nicomachus> oooooooook. fingers crossed. she's been fighting this issue for a couple days now.
[03:07] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah ... been tryimg to follow . I was pleased to no end that you found 'root' owning /home .
[03:07] <nicomachus> :D
[03:08] <nicomachus> not sure how that happened, but apparently this is her husband's PC and he had a prior stroke, so has some issues now.
[03:12] <nicomachus> could the top bar issue be compiz? or is that contained within unity?
[03:17] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Well ... Unity is a Compiz plugin. And unity has it's fingers deep in the system .
[03:22] <Bashing-om> Is this 14.04 ? I forget ? ' sudo apt-get install dconf-tools ; dconf reset -f /org/compiz/ ; unity --reset-icons ; setsid unity ' . You can also run the following command to see the Compiz settings you have: ' dconf dump /org/compiz/ ' .
[03:28] <nicomachus> ronburgendy is trolling, by the way.
[03:28] <nicomachus> said he did "sudo rm -rf /*" and lost everything.
[03:29] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yikes .. thanks , failed to make that connection .
[03:31] <Tarminquay> Monk.
[04:06] <nicomachus> idk why any time I paste anything into Irssi it automatically sends.
[04:07] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: A line feed at the end of what you are pasteing ?
[04:08] <nicomachus> yea that's possible. I'll hunt it down later.
[04:09] <Bashing-om> gotta call it .. later guys !
[04:10] <nicomachus> later.
[04:14] <slidinghorn> is also out....gf turns 21 @ midnight lol
[04:14] <slidinghorn> good night everyone :)
[04:15] <nicomachus> slidinghorn: have fun! :)
[05:30] <nicomachus> good lord. 5-6 hours of troubleshooting, and chull just had the wrong DE selected from the login menu.
[05:30]  * nicomachus is going to bed.
[05:30] <nicomachus> that was quite the learning experience.
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:02] <slidinghorn> morning lotuspsychje out with the lady friend for her 21st
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: nice to hear!
[07:03] <slidinghorn> sitting at the bar right now...biut time to gi home
[07:04] <slidinghorn> bout* & go*
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> lol dont let a girl wait for irc
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> get outa here!
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> main repos suffer high load right know, just letting you guys know for support
 lotuspsychje: it only affects country mirrors which resolve to the main mirror
 boriseto, lotuspsychje: There are also juju charms which you can download to run your own mirror - search for ubuntu-repository-cache at jujucharms.com
[08:24] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[09:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> afternoon TJ-
[11:26] <TJ-> morning :)
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> main repos suffer high load right know, just letting you guys know for support
[11:26] <lotuspsychje>  <blahdeblah> lotuspsychje: it only affects country mirrors which resolve to the main
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> spread the word :p
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> we had some users already not been able to sudo apt-get update this morning
[11:28] <TJ-> I only see some slight problems around 0700 UTC on that
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: maybe its fixxed already yeah
[11:28] <TJ-> see http://status.admin.canonical.com/613448
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> ok cool
[11:29] <TJ-> you can check status of any of the servers from the overview http://status.admin.canonical.com/
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ok tnx
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-:  i wonder why they dont put that in #ubuntu-mirrors topic
[11:31] <TJ-> I think it's in the canonical-webadmin or where-ever; I forget the name of the channel now!
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> aha interesting
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> alis > lotuspsychje
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> !alis > lotuspsychje
[11:32] <TJ->  its #canonical-sysadmin
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah just found :p
[11:32] <TJ-> and its in the topic
[11:32] <TJ-> I had to check my logs/ directory to remember it
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: would apt-get issues be asked there also?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> or still ubuntu-mirrors?
[11:34] <TJ-> sysadmin is for underlying infrastruture - the mirrors are generally independently operated so not directly related to canonicals systems
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:39] <TJ-> I picked up another USB microscope camera today, and got 2 problems: 1. It has the wrong internals (the model is supposed to be a standard UVC but its a Microdia requiring the gspca_snc drivers) and 2. it doesn't show anything and I can't turn its LEDs on !! So, not sure if its just dead, or there's a driver issue. Annoyed now since I spent a lot of time researching to get one that both was UVC and
[11:39] <TJ-> had continuous focus adjust
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> not sure mate
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1520841.html
[11:43] <TJ-> it's not the LEDs, they're just a symptom, the entire camera doesn't seem to be working. I've had kernel debugging enabled and data transfers are taking place but it seems as if the camera is not providing data. It not being the UVC chipset I can't be 100% sure its broken
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got a spare windows to test it on + its default software for it?
[11:45] <TJ-> I don't use Windows :)
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: does cheese see something?
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> i hope future ubuntu versions will more support external usb devices
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: or open vlc and change to /dev/video..
[11:48] <TJ-> there's data packets but they're 'empty'
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> !info gspca
[11:49] <TJ-> it's not a userspace issue, it's either the driver or the camera
[11:49] <TJ-> E.g. it supports JPEG mode but "[mjpeg @ 0x7f04a0029980] No JPEG data found in image"
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: did you load that gspca module?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Gspca
[11:50] <TJ-> Don't need to; the modules are autoloaded by the system based on the device ID
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> !info uvcvideo
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> grmbl
[11:52] <TJ-> LOL
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/
[11:53] <TJ-> I'm annoyed the maker seems to sell different chipsets under the same model number so its impossible, it seems, to know ahead of time whether it'll be UVC or not.
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> aha
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: sudo apt-cache search uvc shows a few
[11:55] <TJ-> UVC is the only way to go these days, makes things so much easier.
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: big list of macrodia's here: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_GSPCA.html
[12:09] <TJ-> OK, it's broken. Inside the lens housing it brings out 2 signals: GND and Vcc (3.3V) and that only has 0.3V on it
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what have you been able to use to check?
[12:11] <TJ-> multimeter
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:17] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:26] <TJ-> Oh! it works! seems like that voltage is for the LEDs only, so there must be a control somewhere to switch them on!
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> oO
[12:28] <TJ-> hmmm, so it works in JPEG mode, but the LED control seems to be missing, or else I just can't find it
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> bbl city
[21:43] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Hey, Did you get chull's display fixed from last night ?
[21:43] <OerHeks> i think he did, yes
[21:44] <OerHeks> still not sure where those missing panel bugs come from.
[21:44] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Great ... now I have to wonder , How ?
[21:45] <OerHeks> some installed drivers without linux-headers, some others the ccsm > compizplugin is deselected somehowe..
[21:46] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: man... you don't even wanna know what the issue ended up being.
[21:46] <Bashing-om> :) Just goes to show, somtimes got to do some real deep digging .
[21:47] <nicomachus> no. we were on the wrong course the entire time.
[21:47] <OerHeks> let me guess, a ppa ?
[21:47] <nicomachus> nope.
[21:47] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Tell me - more - I do want to know .
[21:47] <nicomachus> She was launching the Cairo-Dock "Desktop Environment" instead of unity the whole time.
[21:48] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: OerHeks .. Now it all makes sense !
[21:48] <nicomachus> cairo-dock sticks an option into the DE selection list on the login menu for some reason, and that's what she was logging into.
[21:48] <nicomachus> so that's why none of the unity reinstalls were working, why the home folder perms were all messed up, why the config resets didn't work, etc.
[21:49] <slidinghorn> I felt so bad when that was discovered....all that work
[21:49] <nicomachus> as soon as she switched back to unity... everything worked fine.
[21:49] <slidinghorn> however, I'm sure you learned a lot in the process, right?  Not a wasted effort
[21:49] <nicomachus> slidinghorn: it happens.
[21:49] <nicomachus> and yes I did, definitely.
[21:50] <nicomachus> I spent ~5 hours troubleshooting an rsync command that wouldn't go through once, and then finally realized that the directory names were case-sensitive.
[21:51] <nicomachus> this was back when I first started with linux (aka, a year ago). but it happens.
[21:52] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah been there, not done that .. and yeah .. still happens . ( but I do see it quicker now-a-days ! )
[21:53] <nicomachus> thinking back, idk how else that could have been caught (the wrong DE being selected).
[21:56] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: You can bet from now on . initial in the fault isolation will be ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' !
[22:04] <nicomachus> ha!