=== xiinotulp is now known as plutoniix [00:45] anyone know why when wifi is set to off. network interface is renamed to wlan1? [01:29] what image version is OTA8.5 on krillin? [01:34] mcphail: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-8.5 [01:37] nhaines: Thanks! Looks like I'm downloading the correct one :) [01:39] Good to hear! === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:38] good morning [07:52] did you guys read http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/667983/d70218af1c15c7f5/ ? [07:54] JanC: ah, i was looking for a subscriber link for that [07:55] it's not like subscriptions are very expensive :) [07:57] yeah.. i keep on telling myself that [07:59] i'm on the internet via ubuntu phone hotspot, could i also share internet via usb? [08:00] IIRC it's possible but there is no GUI for it yet :) [08:12] JanC: the author disqualifies himself by not using a stable image… [08:13] svij: maybe he didn't know what image to use... [08:13] yeah, but "testing" is clear, that it's not stable. === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | Changelog: http://bit.ly/1ljube1 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | http://www.meizu.com/products/ubuntu.html | OTA-8.5 released! [09:41] Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Wright Brothers Day! ✈ [09:51] mzanetti, hey, made bug 1527171 [09:51] bug 1527171 in unity-notifications "large amounts of notification should be summarized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527171 [09:53] hi jgdx. looking... [09:55] because I found that 15 notifications at once did not work very well... kept the display awake for quite some time [10:18] hi === siva is now known as Guest32555 [10:19] ok [10:20] Hi can i get the link to download ubuntu touch for samsung glaxy tab 2 [10:21] Hi can i get the link to download ubuntu touch for samsung glaxy tab 2 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:42] I just noticed looking at some screenshots, that my phone is not showing any background. I can only assign a background to the lock screen, the rest is white. Is this supposed to be like that? [13:42] yes [13:42] you should have a background though ... [13:42] grey with a folding line across the screen [13:43] yeah, some kind of slight bevel [13:43] right [13:43] (the very first imaes supported bakground setting for scopes ... not anymore though ) [13:43] *images [13:43] I see [13:44] i guess because you intelligently need to pick the font color and shadows when you have an unpredictable wallpaper ... and scopes dont support that yet [13:45] just a guess though ... the design team might have other intentions behind that decision :) [13:48] right [13:50] Hi All [13:50] quick question === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle === davidcalle__ is now known as davidcalle_ [13:51] Does anybody have problems receiving MMS after OTA-8.5? [13:52] I've got a french customer that cannot receive MMS after updating [13:54] victor_bq, let me try now, nothing changed in that part of the stack [13:54] I know but I want to confirm if there are more cases :) specially french users [13:55] hello! I get an error message: "W: No sandbox user '_apt' on the system, can not drop privileges" [13:55] zzarr, on a phone ? [13:56] (users are pre-created at image build time, technically that shouldnt be possible) [13:56] in a chroot created by Ubuntu SDK [13:56] ah [13:56] I tried to upgrade to xenial [13:56] ah [13:57] well, its just a warning anyway, apt shoudl still function fine ... it will just run as root then [13:57] (which it always did til xenial) [13:57] I need qt 5.5.1 for a project, but in vivid I get qt 5.4.1 [13:57] ohh, that's what that is [13:58] thanks [13:58] yeah, in xenial apt has its own user and drops privs when you start it [13:58] I have some dependencies that can't be resolved [13:58] ncie [13:58] nice* [13:59] I can't install qtbase5-dev [13:59] well, its xenial ... [13:59] still in full flux [14:00] i guess Mirv would like to hear about it though :) [14:00] is there a way to install qt 5.5.1 in vivid? [14:00] I'll tell him :-) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [14:06] ogra_, can I install qt 5.5.1 in vivid? [14:06] i have no idea [14:06] is that in the overlay PPA ? [14:07] I don't know, must it be a proposed release for it to work? [14:09] I found the colliding packages and informed Mirv [14:14] zzarr: o/ [14:14] zzarr: I've qtbase5-dev installed on my xenial lxc without problems, let me try dist-upgrading it though [14:15] zzarr: there's a WIP/test Qt 5.5 silo for vivid at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-028 too. not enough to run on the phone though (UITK etc components still missing at the moment) [14:15] what's the difference between using the bq-aquaris channels and the ubuntu ones? [14:16] zzarr: no complaints in apt dist-upgrade either, everything gets upgraded and qtbase5-dev stays installed [14:17] hmm zzarr just pinged out [14:18] RTE68, the ubuntu channels only have completely free stuff ... [14:18] I see [14:18] I also see the vegeta channel is quite old in comparison [14:19] (followint the ubuntu philosophy of only including non-free bits to make HW work) [14:22] Hi === Guest81896 is now known as ment0s_ [14:24] could someone tell me if its possible to launch standard linux program from terminal to window server on ubuntu touch [14:24] ? [14:26] not yet [14:26] (well, technically it is with a lot of hackery, practically XMir will be included by default at some point) [14:29] ogra_: i there any info on the way that could point me to direction ? I just want to run single app from terminal [14:29] well, you will have to make your phone writable (which means it will break and you wont be able to do any upgrades) ... there should be howtos online [14:30] if zzarr comes back and asks again just copypaste what I wrote before he dropped [14:31] ogra_: I have that part done, just need pointing towards launching x application from terminal to display server I am on stable 8 [14:31] dunno, doesnt the howto you used have info about that then ? [14:31] * ogra_ likes his phone usable so i dont touch that stuff until it is in the image [14:32] ogra_: nope, i have spare oneplusone which i just play with [14:32] is there a version of ubuntu touch that still uses x window system ? [14:32] well, there were some hotos on the mailing list a while ago [14:32] ment0s_: there is no X on the phone [14:33] ment0s_, no, there never was [14:33] the very first experimental images (2+ years ago os so) used surfaceflinger ... for the first month or so [14:33] cheers [14:34] ment0s_: porting the app to work on a phone is probably the best option [14:35] or waiting for Xmir support to land by default :) [14:40] rsalveti, ping [14:40] dobey: i just want to try if chromium will be able to run arc apps on it :) just found the manual with xmir, gonna give it a shoot [14:41] chromium? i don't think so. i think you need the proprietary chrome to use arc [14:43] also, fwiw, oxide is based on the same engine that chromium uses [14:51] morphis, o/ [14:52] tvoss: :-) [14:52] I have an idea (currently implemented in a PHP webapp) that I'd like to port to QML. I have quite a lot of experience with Qt/C++, but I'm totally new to QML. I've completed the currency converter tutorial and am still lost. Where should I head next? The app is an expense tracker with two views (tabs?) with a bottom edge each. Four screens in total. [14:56] I'd also like to have an sqlite backend. Is this possible with QML? [14:57] qml is just a user interface description language for qt [14:57] the less logic in the qml, the better off the app will be [14:58] RTE68: also #ubuntu-app-devel is the channel for app dev discussion :) [14:58] so I should implement the logic in a "C++ plugin"? [14:59] Btw, is there a way to build the user interface using the qt designer as with Qt desktop apps or something similar? [15:00] dobey, ops sorry [15:01] no, the qtdesigner doesnm't work for ubuntu apps yet, but i think the sdk team is working on it [15:01] nice [15:02] personally, i think embedding the qml as resources into a c++ qt app, and driving the qml from the c++, will get you the fastest running app === jgdxx is now known as jgdx === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === hasselmm1 is now known as hasselmm === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [15:51] abeato, when you get a chance can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/media-hub/fix-1479036/+merge/280872 [15:52] jhodapp, sure [15:52] abeato, thanks [15:52] olli_, ping [15:52] np [15:52] tvoss, wassup [15:55] Hello ! [15:55] I have a ubuntu game for phone. I need someone to test a fix to bug ! [15:55] I have prepared the .click package ... but I have no phone/tablet to try it [15:56] Can someone give a quick try ? [15:56] thanks [16:08] morphis, o/ [16:15] slvn_, http://marvin.popey.com/ :) [16:16] slvn_, ^^ [16:16] popey, oh yeah great ! I will try right now ! [16:17] slvn_, you'll get stuff in your mail [16:17] slvn_, such as images and such as logs [16:17] yep, grep I am currently trying :) [16:17] wicked! [16:17] but I think I still need some help because it a specific bug ... [16:18] I want test after a reboot of the phone, that the config files are still there ... [16:18] I can trigger a reboot of each of those devices if that helps [16:18] how cool is that?? [16:19] such cool! popey #1 :d [16:19] heh [16:19] :) [16:19] after ogra_ [16:19] :P [16:19] lulz [16:19] alphabetically, sure. [16:19] yeag ) [16:20] My package failed :/ [16:20] I'll look into it! [16:20] issue running the "click review tool" [16:21] but I have it, I can try it [16:21] is there a command line that could bring up on screen keyboard or could send keyboard input from cmd [16:21] ? [16:21] oops, but slvn_ [16:21] *bug [16:24] :) click-review say "pass" on my side [16:24] slvn_, fixed, was a typo on my side, sorry. try submitting it again? [16:24] ok [16:26] slvn_, you have mail! [16:44] hey, I need a fast hep. My phone rebooted and now the date on my phone is 1970.01.01 and can't unlock it because i need retry in 24148288 minutes [16:44] any idea? [16:44] oh not again [16:45] I tried to reflash the stable channel, but no luck [16:46] smells like someone broke the fixrtc script in the initrd or the cmdline option was dropped [16:46] ogra_, what is the fixrtc script? [16:47] it runs in initrd, checks the last mount time (and falls back to the filesystem creation time if it was never mounted) and sets the clock to it ... [16:47] so that you never end up with the epoch as time but with something at least a little more reasonable [16:48] robin-hero, can you access it over adb [16:50] jibel, indeed, it could also be that the FS format changed and the values cant be found anymore, or on the other side it could be that the kernel cant call systoc anymore [16:50] mzanetti, I have my phone with a frozen shell after screenshot [16:50] *systohc [16:50] popey, suggestion about the remote testing : adding an optional string/field that the user can fill so that he can name his test. and this string would be remind afterward in the email. [16:50] slvn_, good suggestion, thanks [16:51] abeato, also this one for xenial: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/media-hub/fix-1479036-trunk/+merge/280888 [16:51] pmcgowan, intersting, it doesn't ever come back? [16:51] or hangs for some 30 seconds? [16:51] ogra_, the problem I found the other day while tracking time issue is that it doesn't sync hc to sys [16:51] mzanetti, never afact [16:52] I rebooted my phone about 25x times, and not it is okay :) [16:52] jibel, so the hc has a correct time ? [16:52] ogra_, yes, but the system doesn't [16:52] ah [16:52] ogra_, bug 1524674 [16:52] yeah, then it isnt fixrtc ... that seems to work [16:52] bug 1524674 in Canonical System Image "Set Time & Date manually doesn't persist between reboots" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524674 [16:53] mzanetti, although the time is updating [16:53] pmcgowan, ok... definitely something off then... did this just happen straight after reboot, or did you do other things with the phone before the lockup? [16:53] did a coupl things but not much [16:53] ogra_, in dmesg the kernel syncs hc to sys, but right after mountall the system time is incorrect [16:53] jhodapp, maybe we can wait for the enablement of dual-landing? /me about to test it [16:53] so its just not getting touch events maybe [16:53] abeato, no need to wait, this is a pretty critical bug [16:53] but it's not a huge change [16:54] jhodapp, ok [16:54] mzanetti, very weird - I touched it and the screen undimmed and launcher peeked out [16:54] now its stuck like that [16:54] so its getting events, I see unity8 in top [16:54] abeato, thanks [16:55] pmcgowan, nothing new in unity8.log? [16:55] jibel, thats extremely weird [16:55] ogra_, yeah, but I don't know how to dig deeper [16:56] mzanetti, thats the end of it http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075341/ [16:57] oh ok. this is useful I think [16:57] ogra_, the other thing I found is that ntpdate is broken on the phone cf bug 1526264 [16:57] bug 1526264 in Canonical System Image "ntpdate fails with invalid argument when device is set to a date in the future (delta > 2^16)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526264 [16:57] seems to be stuck in a loop querying some playback position [16:57] jibel, i suspect there is a race ... in snappy we resprted to mount all writable parts for /etc in the initrd a while ago because the systemd mounting of fstab caused weird races ... i wonder if you see the same here [16:57] *resorted [16:57] ogra_, so with the combination of the 2 bugs, if rtc is set to some time in the future you're screwed [16:58] pmcgowan, I assume every 30 secs a new such entry appears [16:58] mzanetti, looks like, then it does a little something on the screen for pending gestures [16:58] jibel, then there should be a systohc call in the ntpdate script so it gets set when we get the tie from ntp [16:58] *time [16:59] mzanetti, but there is nothing hogging cpu [16:59] ok... so 2 things: unity8 should not use sync calls for this. and then there's the question why the other part is not responding [16:59] jhodapp, any hint? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075341/ [17:00] pmcgowan, yeah, sync dbus calls in the ui thread... blocking the event loop without hogging the cpu [17:00] mzanetti, what's the issue? [17:00] jhodapp, that bug still with the phone hanging when taking a screenshot === BOHverkill_ is now known as BOHverkill [17:01] mzanetti, define hanging further, the UI is frozen or the entire kernel hangs? [17:01] CPU spike? [17:01] jhodapp, a blocking D-Bus call in a loop [17:02] mzanetti, interesting [17:02] so every 30 secs it processes some events until it repeats being stuck in the 30 sec wait-for-reply [17:02] mzanetti, does the camera click sound play? [17:02] pmcgowan, did you hear the camera click sound? [17:02] I did before it froze [17:02] I can't repro still. have taken like 50 screenshots in a row now [17:03] mzanetti, looks like possibly a dbus issue and that media-hub's dbus communication is getting starved [17:05] jhodapp, mzanetti anything I can look at here? [17:06] perhaps if media-hub is still up [17:06] reading the code that triggers it atm [17:06] not running now [17:07] oh nm [17:07] its running [17:07] pmcgowan, note the PID of media-hub-server before and after such an event [17:07] if it changed that means it crashed and restarted [17:08] there is no crash file [17:08] ok [17:08] pid is 2176 which seems original [17:08] indeed [17:09] jhodapp, any way to probe media-hub? kick it to see if its alive [17:09] tvoss, I did some quick testing of silo 22, looks good to me === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [17:10] pmcgowan, if you can bring up music-app fresh and it can play a song it's up [17:11] needs commandline as the ui is stuck [17:11] jhodapp, mediahub log http://paste.ubuntu.com/14075550/ [17:12] hmm, you plugged/unplugged a wired headset? [17:12] * mzanetti tries [17:12] mzanetti, no I did not [17:13] whats that gstreamer warning [17:14] jhodapp, do you have a dbus command I can use to play a sound [17:14] client died, resetting pipeline [17:14] I don't [17:15] that's normal [17:16] pmcgowan, that log shows multiple camera screenshot attempts, is that accurate? [17:16] jhodapp, yes 9 in a row [17:17] make that 10 [17:17] interestingly the last one was written 3 min after the others [17:17] pmcgowan, yeah because dbus traffic seems starved [17:18] what does that mean? [17:18] pmcgowan, like something is flooding it [17:18] pmcgowan, line 578 is interesting (and bad) [17:18] jhodapp, seemed bad [17:19] dbus-monitor looks normal to me [17:19] yeah... that gstreamer warning is definitely suspicious... it warns about a deadlock *exactly* in the place where we're locking up [17:20] which means someone is trying to do something that's blocking an internal GStreamer pipeline thread [17:20] line 586 says: Client died, resetting pipeline [17:20] that very well could be the issue [17:21] mzanetti, yeah that's normal any time a client quits [17:21] ah ok [17:21] that lingo comes from Binder as it has a client death notifier [17:25] jhodapp, tried to get a backtrace but just says corrupt stack [17:25] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075704/ [17:26] jhodapp, looking at unity8.log again, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075341/ line 55, there is a deleteMediaplayerControl() and then more output related to it, could there be something happening in the wrong order? [17:28] mzanetti, shouldn't be, that's well tested code in many other scenarios [17:28] mzanetti, just seems like there's a race happening [17:28] on a gstreamer thread [17:28] that's bad...no dbus traffic should be occuring on a gstreamer thread [17:29] anyone seen this when flashing arale? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14075759/ [17:29] refuses to flash it [17:31] your phone knows yodaspeak ! [17:31] pmcgowan, can you attach your media-hub log to that bug report? [17:31] pmcgowan, what's the bug #? [17:31] jhodapp, I pointed to the paste [17:31] bug #1508830 [17:31] bug 1508830 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Phone hangs by repeatedly refreshing the apps scope and taking screenshots" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508830 [17:31] thanks [17:33] jhodapp, is that stacktrace any help [17:33] pmcgowan, not really [17:35] jibel, did you add a bug for the time issue, and where di robin-hero go [17:41] pmcgowan, atm I can only ask you to try getting some more info how we might be able to reproduce ourselves. I've read through unity8's code regarding this, it uses a normal Audio {} element as any other thing that makes sounds. Not really sure what to do more right now. [17:42] mzanetti, I just kept pressing the volup/down as quick as i could [17:42] once it took 4 the net 10 [17:42] next [17:42] on an arale [17:43] mzanetti, frankly not sure its very high priority if this is the only way to get this, but if it explains other issues makes it more so [17:44] hmm... I think I have it now indeed... let me check logs. I thought this happens through normal usage, so I always kept on doing random things between screenshots... [17:44] not that I kept smashing the buttons like mad for some 15 screenshots it did lock up [17:44] s/not/now/ [17:44] jhodapp, ^ === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [17:46] pmcgowan, only on arale? Does it happen on any other device? [17:47] jhodapp, had not tried there [17:47] * mzanetti does [17:47] pmcgowan, would be important for me since I don't have an arale [17:48] arale is faster so maybe easier [17:48] jhodapp, what have you [17:48] pmcgowan, mako, flo, krillin [17:48] pmcgowan, yeah I've seen race conditions unique to arale before [17:48] yeah, I'm not able to make screenshots at this pace on krillin or flo [17:49] the device is so busy with the screenshot that it starts discarding/queuing the keypresses [17:49] arale on the other hand seems to make screenshots of the screenshot animation :D [17:49] lol [17:49] lol [17:50] mzanetti, seems like two bugs? unity shouldn't get hung waiting and media hub shouldnt stop answering [17:51] pmcgowan, indeed [17:51] jhodapp, is there another way to flood the hub with requests [17:51] pmcgowan, so I've requested an arale and just pinged someone asking about the status of getting one [17:51] pmcgowan, yes, definitely. [17:51] we need a little test driver [17:51] pmcgowan, yeah could create an integration level test [17:52] I'm sure this can be reproduced in code [17:52] right [17:52] ok will leave it to you and reboot [17:52] pmcgowan, btw, pretty confident I fixed that top 2 media-hub crasher [17:52] as soon as the bileto comes back up I can get it into a silo [18:01] jhodapp, good news, re the MRs on the bugs? [18:02] pmcgowan, https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/media-hub/fix-1479036/+merge/280872 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:12] pmcgowan, maybe related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1455107 [18:12] Ubuntu bug 1455107 in Canonical System Image "Creating and destroying SoundEffects causes crashes" [High,Confirmed] [18:12] here we're not creating and destroying them, but still repeatedly calling play() and stop() === dpm is now known as dpm-afk === joc_ is now known as joc|away === joc|away is now known as joc [18:44] anyone know what controls user session log rotation? [18:44] I guess it's an upstart job somewhere, just can't find it [18:46] oh, a simple "start logrotate" will trigger it [18:46] win [18:48] popey, the config is at /etc/logrotate.d/touch-syslog afaik [18:48] the systemwide one is [18:49] but that doesn't seem to reference ~/.cache/upstart (for example) [18:49] which I wanted to forcibly rotate [18:49] couldn't find the upstart user session, but conveniently just running it worked :) [18:50] popey: /etc/cron.daily/upstart does it, I think [18:51] ta [19:31] http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-e/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-moto-e-t3273224 if anyone wanna try [20:10] how to make changes on ofono? === dkessel-cloud is now known as dkessel [20:42] Anyone home? [20:43] Anyone paying attention? [20:44] just ask and we will see if someone can answer. but this channel is slow out of european office times [20:44] !ask | Craig [20:44] Craig: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [20:45] I would like to install Ubuntu (either touch or 14.04 LTS) on a Samsung Galaxy Tab A (SM-T350). [20:45] I have rooted the device and installed TWRP. [20:46] !devices | Craig [20:46] Craig: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [20:47] Yes, I have read that page. If it's not possible to install Touch, the regular Ubuntu Desktop version would be fine. [20:48] I have TWRP installed on the Samsung. I just need to know how to flash or install Ubuntu 14.04 to the device. [20:51] Craig: its not that easy. its not like installing a ubuntu onto a labtop. you will need to have a port been made for that specific device. if no one already made such, see the porting guide. but that is an advanced task [20:53] well, you can use the generic armhf image maybe with very limited hardware support, but it's still not like installing ubuntu on a pc [20:53] I was thinking I could put the Ubuntu 14.04 .iso file on the Samsung Tab's SD card, then from recovery mode (with TWRP) tell it to install or boot with it. [20:54] nope [20:54] Craig: that doesnt work on the ARM hardware [20:54] Can you point me to a page with instructions for installing the generic armhf image? [20:57] https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=install%20ubuntu%20galaxy%20tab [21:02] Thank you. [21:07] hello, I'm switching from Firefox Os, and not regretting the move :) Though, I get a SISEGV with the gallery app (which is trying to load some hundred of images) and was wondering if the contact app was to get a few improvements (importing from vcard, exporting, finding doubles, etc.) thanks [21:08] rap_hael, hey there, and welcome :) [21:11] tvoss: thanks :) [21:12] rap_hael, you might want to check the open bugs for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gallery-app [21:12] renatu, boiko mind pointing rap_hael to the contacts app bug tracker? [21:14] tvoss, rap_hael: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app [21:15] kenvandine, great thx [21:16] thanks to you [21:16] but well for the contact app, it's more improvements than bugs :) [21:22] rap_hael: view requests for improvements as bugs as file them as such. if you can't do something, then the bug is "no way to do something" [21:23] rap_hael: so "No way to import contacts from vCard" would be the bug (and i think it might exist already) [21:24] rap_hael, we do have vcard import but it just got some improvements in proposed [21:24] rap_hael, and merging contacts is planned soon [21:25] dobey: thanks, well it reminds me of debian/ubuntu bugs I've opened :) [21:25] pmcgowan: great [21:25] rap_hael: well, this is still ubuntu :) [21:26] dobey: sure, I'll check further for the gallery crash, maybe the mtp transfer got corrupted files (I really prefer mass storage over mtp) [21:27] also is there a way to check the fs integrity ? [21:27] rap_hael, you hopefully never have to do that manually :) [21:28] rap_hael, there is a terminal app available from the store [21:28] rap_hael: did you copy any gifs over? [21:29] tvoss: using the terminal is not a manual way ? : [21:29] :) [21:29] dobey: there sure be some [21:29] rap_hael, you can run with sudo, your passwd is the pincode/passphrase you have set for the device [21:30] rap_hael, I meant to prefix with: however, if you really want to: :) [21:34] tvoss: well it's not easy to find out with all the mounts :) [21:35] but the keyboard is really well thought [21:38] kgunn, any way to disable the "you're phone is connected to an external monitor" and get mirroring? [21:38] lol, s/you're/your [21:39] jgdx: not readily [21:39] jgdx: i mean we can do mirroring, we're just not implemented like that currently [21:39] design decisions [21:40] kgunn, okay [21:49] not exactly chan-related, but not so far :-) do you know any good cli tool (even gui) for managing mtp storage ? I'm using jmtpfs, but not so pleased about it [21:50] not sure what you mean. nautilus works fine for me :) [21:54] dobey: well I prefer tools in command line, you get better errors warnings, and i feel it less error prone :) [22:01] time to sleep, thanks to all for your help [22:52] upgraded my mako yesterday, and usb tethering crashes the phone, well it shows loading screen.