[00:45] <kowak> anyone know why when wifi is set to off.  network interface is renamed to wlan1?
[01:29] <mcphail> what image version is OTA8.5 on krillin?
[01:34] <nhaines> mcphail: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-8.5
[01:37] <mcphail> nhaines: Thanks! Looks like I'm downloading the correct one :)
[01:39] <nhaines> Good to hear!
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <JanC> did you guys read http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/667983/d70218af1c15c7f5/ ?
[07:54] <Stskeeps> JanC: ah, i was looking for a subscriber link for that
[07:55] <JanC> it's not like subscriptions are very expensive  :)
[07:57] <Stskeeps> yeah.. i keep on telling myself that
[07:59] <vandenoever> i'm on the internet via ubuntu phone hotspot, could i also share internet via usb?
[08:00] <JanC> IIRC it's possible but there is no GUI for it yet  :)
[08:12] <svij> JanC: the author disqualifies himself by not using a stable image…
[08:13] <JanC> svij: maybe he didn't know what image to use...
[08:13] <svij> yeah, but "testing" is clear, that it's not stable.
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Wright Brothers Day! ✈
[09:51] <jgdx> mzanetti, hey, made bug 1527171
[09:53] <mzanetti> hi jgdx. looking...
[09:55] <jgdx> because I found that 15 notifications at once did not work very well... kept the display awake for quite some time
[10:18] <siva> hi
[10:19] <Guest32555> ok
[10:20] <Guest32555> Hi can i get the link to download ubuntu touch for samsung glaxy tab 2
[10:21] <Guest32555> Hi can i get the link to download ubuntu touch for samsung glaxy tab 2
[13:42] <RTE68> I just noticed looking at some screenshots, that my phone is not showing any background. I can only assign a background to the lock screen, the rest is white. Is this supposed to be like that?
[13:42] <ogra_> yes
[13:42] <ogra_> you should have a background though ...
[13:42] <ogra_> grey with a folding line across the screen
[13:43] <RTE68> yeah, some kind of slight bevel
[13:43] <ogra_> right
[13:43] <ogra_> (the very first imaes supported bakground setting for scopes ... not anymore though )
[13:43] <ogra_> *images
[13:43] <RTE68> I see
[13:44] <ogra_> i guess because you intelligently need to pick the font color and shadows when you have an unpredictable wallpaper ... and scopes dont support that yet
[13:45] <ogra_> just a guess though ... the design team might have other intentions behind that decision :)
[13:48] <RTE68> right
[13:50] <victor_bq> Hi All
[13:50] <victor_bq> quick question
[13:51] <victor_bq> Does anybody have problems receiving MMS after OTA-8.5?
[13:52] <victor_bq> I've got a french customer that cannot receive MMS after updating
[13:54] <pmcgowan> victor_bq, let me try now, nothing changed in that part of the stack
[13:54] <victor_bq> I know but I want to confirm if there are more cases :) specially french users
[13:55] <zzarr> hello! I get an error message: "W: No sandbox user '_apt' on the system, can not drop privileges"
[13:55] <ogra_> zzarr, on a phone ?
[13:56] <ogra_> (users are pre-created at image build time, technically that shouldnt be possible)
[13:56] <zzarr> in a chroot created by Ubuntu SDK
[13:56] <ogra_> ah
[13:56] <zzarr> I tried to upgrade to xenial
[13:56] <ogra_> ah
[13:57] <ogra_> well, its just a warning anyway, apt shoudl still function fine ... it will just run as root then
[13:57] <ogra_> (which it always did til xenial)
[13:57] <zzarr> I need qt 5.5.1 for a project, but in vivid I get qt 5.4.1
[13:57] <zzarr> ohh, that's what that is
[13:58] <zzarr> thanks
[13:58] <ogra_> yeah, in xenial apt has its own user and drops privs when you start it
[13:58] <zzarr> I have some dependencies that can't be resolved
[13:58] <zzarr> ncie
[13:58] <zzarr> nice*
[13:59] <zzarr> I can't install qtbase5-dev
[13:59] <ogra_> well, its xenial ...
[13:59] <ogra_> still in full flux
[14:00] <ogra_> i guess Mirv would like to hear about it though :)
[14:00] <zzarr> is there a way to install qt 5.5.1 in vivid?
[14:00] <zzarr> I'll tell him :-)
[14:06] <zzarr> ogra_, can I install qt 5.5.1 in vivid?
[14:06] <ogra_> i have no idea
[14:06] <ogra_> is that in the overlay PPA ?
[14:07] <zzarr> I don't know, must it be a proposed release for it to work?
[14:09] <zzarr> I found the colliding packages and informed Mirv
[14:14] <Mirv> zzarr: o/
[14:14] <Mirv> zzarr: I've qtbase5-dev installed on my xenial lxc without problems, let me try dist-upgrading it though
[14:15] <Mirv> zzarr: there's a WIP/test Qt 5.5 silo for vivid at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-028 too. not enough to run on the phone though (UITK etc components still missing at the moment)
[14:15] <RTE68> what's the difference between using the bq-aquaris channels and the ubuntu ones?
[14:16] <Mirv> zzarr: no complaints in apt dist-upgrade either, everything gets upgraded and qtbase5-dev stays installed
[14:17] <Mirv> hmm zzarr just pinged out
[14:18] <ogra_> RTE68, the ubuntu channels only have completely free stuff ...
[14:18] <RTE68> I see
[14:18] <RTE68> I also see the vegeta channel is quite old in comparison
[14:19] <ogra_> (followint the ubuntu philosophy of only including non-free bits to make HW work)
[14:22] <Guest81896> Hi
[14:24] <ment0s_> could someone tell me if its possible to launch standard linux program from terminal to window server on ubuntu touch
[14:24] <ment0s_> ?
[14:26] <ogra_> not yet
[14:26] <ogra_> (well, technically it is with a lot of hackery, practically XMir will be included by default at some point)
[14:29] <ment0s_> ogra_: i there any info on the way that could point me to direction ? I just want to run single app from terminal
[14:29] <ogra_> well, you will have to make your phone writable (which means it will break and you wont be able to do any upgrades) ... there should be howtos online
[14:30] <Mirv> if zzarr comes back and asks again just copypaste what I wrote before he dropped
[14:31] <ment0s_> ogra_: I have that part done, just need pointing towards launching x application from terminal to display server I am on stable 8
[14:31] <ogra_> dunno, doesnt the howto you used have info about that then ?
[14:31]  * ogra_ likes his phone usable so i dont touch that stuff until it is in the image
[14:32] <ment0s_> ogra_: nope, i have spare oneplusone which i just play with
[14:32] <ment0s_> is there a version of ubuntu touch that still uses x window system ?
[14:32] <ogra_> well, there were some hotos on the mailing list a while ago
[14:32] <dobey> ment0s_: there is no X on the phone
[14:33] <ogra_> ment0s_, no, there never was
[14:33] <ogra_> the very first experimental images (2+ years ago os so) used surfaceflinger ... for the first month or so
[14:33] <ment0s_> cheers
[14:34] <dobey> ment0s_: porting the app to work on a phone is probably the best option
[14:35] <ogra_> or waiting for Xmir support to land by default :)
[14:40] <jhodapp> rsalveti, ping
[14:40] <ment0s_> dobey: i just want to try if chromium will be able to run arc apps on it :) just found the manual with xmir, gonna give it a shoot
[14:41] <dobey> chromium? i don't think so. i think you need the proprietary chrome to use arc
[14:43] <dobey> also, fwiw, oxide is based on the same engine that chromium uses
[14:51] <tvoss> morphis, o/
[14:52] <morphis> tvoss: :-)
[14:52] <RTE68> I have an idea (currently implemented in a PHP webapp) that I'd like to port to QML. I have quite a lot of experience with Qt/C++, but I'm totally new to QML. I've completed the currency converter tutorial and am still lost. Where should I head next? The app is an expense tracker with two views (tabs?) with a bottom edge each. Four screens in total.
[14:56] <RTE68> I'd also like to have an sqlite backend. Is this possible with QML?
[14:57] <dobey> qml is just a user interface description language for qt
[14:57] <dobey> the less logic in the qml, the better off the app will be
[14:58] <dobey> RTE68: also #ubuntu-app-devel is the channel for app dev discussion :)
[14:58] <RTE68> so I should implement the logic in a "C++ plugin"?
[14:59] <RTE68> Btw, is there a way to build the user interface using the qt designer as with Qt desktop apps or something similar?
[15:00] <RTE68> dobey, ops sorry
[15:01] <dobey> no, the qtdesigner doesnm't work for ubuntu apps yet, but i think the sdk team is working on it
[15:01] <RTE68> nice
[15:02] <dobey> personally, i think embedding the qml as resources into a c++ qt app, and driving the qml from the c++, will get you the fastest running app
[15:51] <jhodapp> abeato, when you get a chance can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/media-hub/fix-1479036/+merge/280872
[15:52] <abeato> jhodapp, sure
[15:52] <jhodapp> abeato, thanks
[15:52] <tvoss> olli_, ping
[15:52] <abeato> np
[15:52] <olli_> tvoss, wassup
[15:55] <slvn_> Hello !
[15:55] <slvn_> I have a ubuntu game for phone. I need someone to test a fix to bug  !
[15:55] <slvn_> I have prepared the .click package ... but I have no phone/tablet to try it
[15:56] <slvn_> Can someone give a quick try ?
[15:56] <slvn_> thanks
[16:08] <tvoss> morphis, o/
[16:15] <popey> slvn_, http://marvin.popey.com/ :)
[16:16] <mine_field> slvn_, ^^
[16:16] <slvn_> popey, oh yeah great ! I will try right now !
[16:17] <mine_field> slvn_, you'll get stuff in your mail
[16:17] <mine_field> slvn_, such as images and such as logs
[16:17] <slvn_> yep, grep I am currently trying :)
[16:17] <mine_field> wicked!
[16:17] <slvn_> but I think I still need some help because it a specific bug ...
[16:18] <slvn_> I want test after a reboot of the phone, that the config files are still there ...
[16:18] <popey> I can trigger a reboot of each of those devices if that helps
[16:18] <mine_field> how cool is that??
[16:19] <mine_field> such cool! popey #1 :d
[16:19] <popey> heh
[16:19] <slvn_> :)
[16:19] <mine_field> after ogra_
[16:19] <mine_field> :P
[16:19] <popey> lulz
[16:19] <popey> alphabetically, sure.
[16:19] <mine_field> yeag )
[16:20] <slvn_> My package failed :/
[16:20] <popey> I'll look into it!
[16:20] <slvn_> issue running the "click review tool"
[16:21] <slvn_> but I have it, I can try it
[16:21] <ment0s_> is there a command line that could bring up on screen keyboard or could send keyboard input from cmd
[16:21] <ment0s_> ?
[16:21] <popey> oops, but slvn_
[16:21] <popey> *bug
[16:24] <slvn_> :) click-review say "pass" on my side
[16:24] <popey> slvn_, fixed, was a typo on my side, sorry. try submitting it again?
[16:24] <slvn_> ok
[16:26] <popey> slvn_, you have mail! </aol>
[16:44] <robin-hero> hey, I need a fast hep. My phone rebooted and now the date on my phone is 1970.01.01 and can't unlock it because i need retry in 24148288 minutes
[16:44] <robin-hero> any idea?
[16:44] <pmcgowan> oh not again
[16:45] <robin-hero> I tried to reflash the stable channel, but no luck
[16:46] <ogra_> smells like someone broke the fixrtc script in the initrd or the cmdline option was dropped
[16:46] <jibel> ogra_, what is the fixrtc script?
[16:47] <ogra_> it runs in initrd, checks the last mount time (and falls back to the filesystem creation time if it was never mounted) and sets the clock to it ...
[16:47] <ogra_> so that you never end up with the epoch as time but with something at least a little more reasonable
[16:48] <pmcgowan> robin-hero, can you access it over adb
[16:50] <ogra_> jibel, indeed, it could also be that the FS format changed and the values cant be found anymore, or on the other side it could be that the kernel cant call systoc anymore
[16:50] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, I have my phone with a frozen shell after screenshot
[16:50] <ogra_> *systohc
[16:50] <slvn_> popey,  suggestion about the remote testing : adding an optional string/field that the user can fill so that he can name his test. and this string would be remind afterward in the email.
[16:50] <popey> slvn_, good suggestion, thanks
[16:51] <jhodapp> abeato, also this one for xenial: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/media-hub/fix-1479036-trunk/+merge/280888
[16:51] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, intersting, it doesn't ever come back?
[16:51] <mzanetti> or hangs for some 30 seconds?
[16:51] <jibel> ogra_, the problem I found the other day while tracking time issue is that it doesn't sync hc to sys
[16:51] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, never afact
[16:52] <robin-hero> I rebooted my phone about 25x times, and not it is okay :)
[16:52] <ogra_> jibel, so the hc has a correct time ?
[16:52] <jibel> ogra_, yes, but the system doesn't
[16:52] <ogra_> ah
[16:52] <jibel> ogra_, bug 1524674
[16:52] <ogra_> yeah, then it isnt fixrtc ... that seems to work
[16:53] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, although the time is updating
[16:53] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, ok... definitely something off then... did this just happen straight after reboot, or did you do other things with the phone before the lockup?
[16:53] <pmcgowan> did a coupl things but not much
[16:53] <jibel> ogra_, in dmesg the kernel syncs hc to sys, but right after mountall the system time is incorrect
[16:53] <abeato> jhodapp, maybe we can wait for the enablement of dual-landing? /me about to test it
[16:53] <pmcgowan> so its just not getting touch events maybe
[16:53] <jhodapp> abeato, no need to wait, this is a pretty critical bug
[16:53] <jhodapp> but it's not a huge change
[16:54] <abeato> jhodapp, ok
[16:54] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, very weird - I touched it and the screen undimmed and launcher peeked out
[16:54] <pmcgowan> now its stuck like that
[16:54] <pmcgowan> so its getting events, I see unity8 in top
[16:54] <jhodapp> abeato, thanks
[16:55] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, nothing new in unity8.log?
[16:55] <ogra_> jibel, thats extremely weird
[16:55] <jibel> ogra_, yeah, but I don't know how to dig deeper
[16:56] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, thats the end of it http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075341/
[16:57] <mzanetti> oh ok. this is useful I think
[16:57] <jibel> ogra_, the other thing I found is that ntpdate is broken on the phone cf bug 1526264
[16:57] <mzanetti> seems to be stuck in a loop querying some playback position
[16:57] <ogra_> jibel, i suspect there is a race ... in snappy we resprted to mount all writable parts for /etc in the initrd a while ago because the systemd mounting of fstab caused weird races ... i wonder if you see the same here
[16:57] <ogra_> *resorted
[16:57] <jibel> ogra_, so with the combination of the 2 bugs, if rtc is set to some time in the future you're screwed
[16:58] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, I assume every 30 secs a new such entry appears
[16:58] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, looks like, then it does a little something on the screen for pending gestures
[16:58] <ogra_> jibel, then there should be a systohc call in the ntpdate script so it gets set when we get the tie from ntp
[16:58] <ogra_> *time
[16:59] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, but there is nothing hogging cpu
[16:59] <mzanetti> ok... so 2 things: unity8 should not use sync calls for this. and then there's the question why the other part is not responding
[16:59] <mzanetti> jhodapp, any hint? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075341/
[17:00] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, yeah, sync dbus calls in the ui thread... blocking the event loop without hogging the cpu
[17:00] <jhodapp> mzanetti, what's the issue?
[17:00] <mzanetti> jhodapp, that bug still with the phone hanging when taking a screenshot
[17:01] <jhodapp> mzanetti, define hanging further, the UI is frozen or the entire kernel hangs?
[17:01] <jhodapp> CPU spike?
[17:01] <mzanetti> jhodapp, a blocking D-Bus call in a loop
[17:02] <jhodapp> mzanetti, interesting
[17:02] <mzanetti> so every 30 secs it processes some events until it repeats being stuck in the 30 sec wait-for-reply
[17:02] <jhodapp> mzanetti, does the camera click sound play?
[17:02] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, did you hear the camera click sound?
[17:02] <pmcgowan> I did before it froze
[17:02] <mzanetti> I can't repro still. have taken like 50 screenshots in a row now
[17:03] <jhodapp> mzanetti, looks like possibly a dbus issue and that media-hub's dbus communication is getting starved
[17:05] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, mzanetti anything I can look at here?
[17:06] <mzanetti> perhaps if media-hub is still up
[17:06] <mzanetti> reading the code that triggers it atm
[17:06] <pmcgowan> not running now
[17:07] <pmcgowan> oh nm
[17:07] <pmcgowan> its running
[17:07] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, note the PID of media-hub-server before and after such an event
[17:07] <jhodapp> if it changed that means it crashed and restarted
[17:08] <pmcgowan> there is no crash file
[17:08] <jhodapp> ok
[17:08] <pmcgowan> pid is 2176 which seems original
[17:08] <jhodapp> indeed
[17:09] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, any way to probe media-hub? kick it to see if its alive
[17:09] <abeato> tvoss, I did some quick testing of silo 22, looks good to me
[17:10] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, if you can bring up music-app fresh and it can play a song it's up
[17:11] <mzanetti> needs commandline as the ui is stuck
[17:11] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, mediahub log http://paste.ubuntu.com/14075550/
[17:12] <mzanetti> hmm, you plugged/unplugged a wired headset?
[17:12]  * mzanetti tries
[17:12] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, no I did not
[17:13] <pmcgowan> whats that gstreamer warning
[17:14] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, do you have a dbus command I can use to play a sound
[17:14] <pmcgowan> client died, resetting pipeline
[17:14] <jhodapp> I don't
[17:15] <jhodapp> that's normal
[17:16] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, that log shows multiple camera screenshot attempts, is that accurate?
[17:16] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, yes 9 in a row
[17:17] <pmcgowan> make that 10
[17:17] <pmcgowan> interestingly the last one was written 3 min after the others
[17:17] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, yeah because dbus traffic seems starved
[17:18] <pmcgowan> what does that mean?
[17:18] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, like something is flooding it
[17:18] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, line 578 is interesting (and bad)
[17:18] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, seemed bad
[17:19] <pmcgowan> dbus-monitor looks normal to me
[17:19] <mzanetti> yeah... that gstreamer warning is definitely suspicious... it warns about a deadlock *exactly* in the place where we're locking up
[17:20] <jhodapp> which means someone is trying to do something that's blocking an internal GStreamer pipeline thread
[17:20] <mzanetti> line 586 says: Client died, resetting pipeline
[17:20] <jhodapp> that very well could be the issue
[17:21] <jhodapp> mzanetti, yeah that's normal any time a client quits
[17:21] <mzanetti> ah ok
[17:21] <jhodapp> that lingo comes from Binder as it has a client death notifier
[17:25] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, tried to get a backtrace but just says corrupt stack
[17:25] <pmcgowan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075704/
[17:26] <mzanetti> jhodapp, looking at unity8.log again, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14075341/  line 55, there is a deleteMediaplayerControl() and then more output related to it, could there be something happening in the wrong order?
[17:28] <jhodapp> mzanetti, shouldn't be, that's well tested code in many other scenarios
[17:28] <jhodapp> mzanetti, just seems like there's a race happening
[17:28] <jhodapp> on a gstreamer thread
[17:28] <jhodapp> that's bad...no dbus traffic should be occuring on a gstreamer thread
[17:29] <popey> anyone seen this when flashing arale? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14075759/
[17:29] <popey> refuses to flash it
[17:31] <ogra_> your phone knows yodaspeak !
[17:31] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, can you attach your media-hub log to that bug report?
[17:31] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, what's the bug #?
[17:31] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, I pointed to the paste
[17:31] <pmcgowan> bug #1508830
[17:31] <jhodapp> thanks
[17:33] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, is that stacktrace any help
[17:33] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, not really
[17:35] <pmcgowan> jibel, did you add a bug for the time issue, and where di robin-hero go
[17:41] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, atm I can only ask you to try getting some more info how we might be able to reproduce ourselves. I've read through unity8's code regarding this, it uses a normal Audio {} element as any other thing that makes sounds. Not really sure what to do more right now.
[17:42] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, I just kept pressing the volup/down as quick as i could
[17:42] <pmcgowan> once it took 4 the net 10
[17:42] <pmcgowan> next
[17:42] <pmcgowan> on an arale
[17:43] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, frankly not sure its very high priority if this is the only way to get this, but if it explains other issues makes it more so
[17:44] <mzanetti> hmm... I think I have it now indeed... let me check logs. I thought this happens through normal usage, so I always kept on doing random things between screenshots...
[17:44] <mzanetti> not that I kept smashing the buttons like mad for some 15 screenshots it did lock up
[17:44] <mzanetti> s/not/now/
[17:44] <mzanetti> jhodapp, ^
[17:46] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, only on arale? Does it happen on any other device?
[17:47] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, had not tried there
[17:47]  * mzanetti does
[17:47] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, would be important for me since I don't have an arale
[17:48] <pmcgowan> arale is faster so maybe easier
[17:48] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, what have you
[17:48] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, mako, flo, krillin
[17:48] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, yeah I've seen race conditions unique to arale before
[17:48] <mzanetti> yeah, I'm not able to make screenshots at this pace on krillin or flo
[17:49] <mzanetti> the device is so busy with the screenshot that it starts discarding/queuing the keypresses
[17:49] <mzanetti> arale on the other hand seems to make screenshots of the screenshot animation :D
[17:49] <pmcgowan> lol
[17:49] <jhodapp> lol
[17:50] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, seems like two bugs? unity shouldn't get hung waiting and media hub shouldnt stop answering
[17:51] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, indeed
[17:51] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, is there another way to flood the hub with requests
[17:51] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, so I've requested an arale and just pinged someone asking about the status of getting one
[17:51] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, yes, definitely.
[17:51] <pmcgowan> we need a little test driver
[17:51] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, yeah could create an integration level test
[17:52] <mzanetti> I'm sure this can be reproduced in code
[17:52] <pmcgowan> right
[17:52] <pmcgowan> ok will leave it to you and reboot
[17:52] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, btw, pretty confident I fixed that top 2 media-hub crasher
[17:52] <jhodapp> as soon as the bileto comes back up I can get it into a silo
[18:01] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, good news, re the MRs on the bugs?
[18:02] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/media-hub/fix-1479036/+merge/280872
[18:12] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, maybe related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1455107
[18:12] <mzanetti> here we're not creating and destroying them, but still repeatedly calling play() and stop()
[18:44] <popey> anyone know what controls user session log rotation?
[18:44] <popey> I guess it's an upstart job somewhere, just can't find it
[18:46] <popey> oh, a simple "start logrotate" will trigger it
[18:46] <popey> win
[18:48] <pmcgowan> popey, the config is at /etc/logrotate.d/touch-syslog afaik
[18:48] <popey> the systemwide one is
[18:49] <popey> but that doesn't seem to reference ~/.cache/upstart (for example)
[18:49] <popey> which I wanted to forcibly rotate
[18:49] <popey> couldn't find the upstart user session, but conveniently just running it worked :)
[18:50] <mcphail> popey: /etc/cron.daily/upstart does it, I think
[18:51] <popey> ta
[19:31] <kowak> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-e/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-moto-e-t3273224 if anyone wanna try
[20:10] <kowak> how to make changes on ofono?
[20:42] <Craig> Anyone home?
[20:43] <Craig> Anyone paying attention?
[20:44] <k1l> just ask and we will see if someone can answer. but this channel is slow out of european office times
[20:44] <dobey> !ask | Craig
[20:45] <Craig> I would like to install Ubuntu (either touch or 14.04 LTS) on a Samsung Galaxy Tab A (SM-T350).
[20:45] <Craig> I have rooted the device and installed TWRP.
[20:46] <dobey> !devices | Craig
[20:47] <Craig> Yes, I have read that page. If it's not possible to install Touch, the regular Ubuntu Desktop version would be fine.
[20:48] <Craig> I have TWRP installed on the Samsung. I just need to know how to flash or install Ubuntu 14.04 to the device.
[20:51] <k1l> Craig: its not that easy. its not like installing a ubuntu onto a labtop. you will need to have a port been made for that specific device. if no one already made such, see the porting guide. but that is an advanced task
[20:53] <dobey> well, you can use the generic armhf image maybe with very limited hardware support, but it's still not like installing ubuntu on a pc
[20:53] <Craig> I was thinking I could put the Ubuntu 14.04 .iso file on the Samsung Tab's SD card, then from recovery mode (with TWRP) tell it to install or boot with it.
[20:54] <dobey> nope
[20:54] <k1l> Craig: that doesnt work on the ARM hardware
[20:54] <Craig> Can you point me to a page with instructions for installing the generic armhf image?
[20:57] <dobey> https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=install%20ubuntu%20galaxy%20tab
[21:02] <Craig> Thank you.
[21:07] <rap_hael> hello, I'm switching from Firefox Os, and not regretting the move :) Though, I get a SISEGV with the gallery app (which is trying to load some hundred of images) and was wondering if the contact app was to get a few improvements (importing from vcard, exporting, finding doubles, etc.) thanks
[21:08] <tvoss> rap_hael, hey there, and welcome :)
[21:11] <rap_hael> tvoss: thanks :)
[21:12] <tvoss> rap_hael, you might want to check the open bugs for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gallery-app
[21:12] <tvoss> renatu, boiko mind pointing rap_hael to the contacts app bug tracker?
[21:14] <kenvandine> tvoss, rap_hael: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app
[21:15] <tvoss> kenvandine, great thx
[21:16] <rap_hael> thanks to you
[21:16] <rap_hael> but well for the contact app, it's more improvements than bugs :)
[21:22] <dobey> rap_hael: view requests for improvements as bugs as file them as such. if you can't do something, then the bug is "no way to do something"
[21:23] <dobey> rap_hael: so "No way to import contacts from vCard" would be the bug (and i think it might exist already)
[21:24] <pmcgowan> rap_hael, we do have vcard import but it just got some improvements in proposed
[21:24] <pmcgowan> rap_hael, and merging contacts is planned soon
[21:25] <rap_hael> dobey: thanks, well it reminds me of debian/ubuntu bugs I've opened :)
[21:25] <rap_hael> pmcgowan: great
[21:25] <dobey> rap_hael: well, this is still ubuntu :)
[21:26] <rap_hael> dobey: sure, I'll check further for the gallery crash, maybe the mtp transfer got corrupted files (I really prefer mass storage over mtp)
[21:27] <rap_hael> also is there a way to check the fs integrity ?
[21:27] <tvoss> rap_hael, you hopefully never have to do that manually :)
[21:28] <tvoss> rap_hael, there is a terminal app available from the store
[21:28] <dobey> rap_hael: did you copy any gifs over?
[21:29] <rap_hael> tvoss: using the terminal is not a manual way ? :
[21:29] <rap_hael> :)
[21:29] <rap_hael> dobey: there sure be some
[21:29] <tvoss> rap_hael, you can run with sudo, your passwd is the pincode/passphrase you have set for the device
[21:30] <tvoss> rap_hael, I meant to prefix with: however, if you really want to: :)
[21:34] <rap_hael> tvoss: well it's not easy to find out with all the mounts :)
[21:35] <rap_hael> but the keyboard is really well thought
[21:38] <jgdx> kgunn, any way to disable the "you're phone is connected to an external monitor" and get mirroring?
[21:38] <jgdx> lol, s/you're/your
[21:39] <kgunn> jgdx: not readily
[21:39] <kgunn> jgdx: i mean we can do mirroring, we're just not implemented like that currently
[21:39] <kgunn> design decisions
[21:40] <jgdx> kgunn, okay
[21:49] <rap_hael> not exactly chan-related, but not so far :-) do you know any good cli tool (even gui) for managing mtp storage ? I'm using jmtpfs, but not so pleased about it
[21:50] <dobey> not sure what you mean. nautilus works fine for me :)
[21:54] <rap_hael> dobey: well I prefer tools in command line, you get better errors warnings, and i feel it less error prone :)
[22:01] <rap_hael> time to sleep, thanks to all for your help
[22:52] <muka> upgraded my mako yesterday, and usb tethering crashes the phone, well it shows loading screen.