| denza242 | clivejo: ah you're here | 00:00 |
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| clivejo | not for long! | 00:01 |
| denza242 | clivejo: D: | 00:02 |
| clivejo | need sleep | 00:03 |
| denza242 | ah | 00:03 |
| clivejo | there we go | 00:03 |
| clivejo | KCI is away | 00:04 |
| valorie | boo, I want greeeeeeen | 00:07 |
| clivejo | good night all | 00:09 |
| valorie | niters claydoh | 00:16 |
| valorie | I mean clivjo! | 00:16 |
| claydoh | heh | 00:34 |
| valorie | sorry for the ping, claydoh | 00:36 |
| claydoh | sok valorie, i seldom get those lol so its not a bad thing ;) | 00:37 |
| valorie | cool | 00:38 |
| claydoh | My new boss keeps calling me "Bob", who is one of the managers lol so i am used to it lmao | 00:38 |
| valorie | my husband IS Bob | 00:40 |
| valorie | so I won't call ya bob | 00:40 |
| valorie | I tend to think of people as their IRC nick when that's how I know them | 00:40 |
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| === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos | ||
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 12:18 |
| yofel | soee: to be fair, with the new package processing etc. that we have to do for plasma in xenial, my plan is to do the backports before taking care of the archive | 14:21 |
| yofel | even if that means that we'll skip alpha1 | 14:21 |
| soee | yofel: i think once i was told thet the proccess is to put in archive than backports ? | 14:21 |
| yofel | usually yes, but as neither me and scarlett have permission to upload stuff to NEW, that might take a while.. | 14:22 |
| yofel | so when xenial is ready, I want to move the stuff to ppa-landing for general consumtion and do the backports next | 14:22 |
| soee | yofel: what is causing the upload problem (permissions)? | 14:22 |
| yofel | you need to have at least MOTU membership | 14:23 |
| yofel | and we need to apply for that first | 14:23 |
| soee | and it is hard to get one even for you gusy who work on the wld project? | 14:23 |
| soee | *whole project | 14:23 |
| sgclark | soee: yes, they could care less about the kde packages. We have to prove knowledge in all of ubuntu core. | 14:28 |
| Quintasan | yofel: uh, I have MOTU. | 14:30 |
| sgclark | and just looking at networkmanager I have a long way to go. | 14:30 |
| Quintasan | yofel: I can upload EVERYTHING, muahahahaha | 14:30 |
| yofel | well, not core :P | 14:30 |
| Quintasan | :< | 14:30 |
| yofel | but yeah, we will ask one of you guys | 14:30 |
| yofel | still means that the person working on kde will have to ask someone, so there is some unknown delay | 14:31 |
| BluesKaj | a lot of users are asking for a date when 5.5 will be in the repos ...I've been telling them a few days so i hope that's the target, otherwise I'll refrain and just tell them I don't know. | 14:34 |
| yofel | that is the target alright. I'm on vacation for the next 2 weeks so that should help. | 14:38 |
| yofel | on that topic: I'm offline this evening and most of the day tomorrow | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | ok yofel thanks | 14:39 |
| tsdgeos | yofel: sgclark: do you run xenial + sddm? | 14:39 |
| sgclark | well, networkmanager is holding up frameworks. I don't think I will be able to wrap my head around it with everything going on in RL. I will run plasam and applications before I leave for vacation. | 14:40 |
| sgclark | tsdgeos: no I am not on xenial | 14:40 |
| yofel | right now I'm wily, but on my own notebook yes (that was last updated a week ago) | 14:40 |
| BluesKaj | sddm is default in Xenial afaik, tsdgeos | 14:40 |
| tsdgeos | yofel: sgclark: someone should try it because i think it may need a rebuild since Qt 5.5.1 landed, it rendered my laptop #2 unbootable until i installed lightdm | 14:40 |
| BluesKaj | I didn't see any options | 14:41 |
| yofel | hm, I updated to 5.5 and it kept working, but we'll check | 14:41 |
| tsdgeos | yofel: ok, may be something wrong in that laptop, i don't use it much :D | 14:41 |
| sgclark | yofel: is someone currently working on plasma 5.5? | 14:42 |
| yofel | hard to say, I had massive problems getting the first sddm releases to run at all for me. Since then I'm rather sceptical of sddms stability | 14:42 |
| yofel | sgclark: no, me and santa wanted to do the merging first | 14:42 |
| BluesKaj | I have no probs with sddm on Xenial | 14:42 |
| sgclark | applications need merging | 14:42 |
| yofel | then upload 5.5 using the new workflow (which is now in automation master) | 14:42 |
| sgclark | I am done with frameowrks and most of plasma | 14:42 |
| yofel | oh ok, we didn't know that :/ | 14:43 |
| sgclark | yeah sorry, life is crazy right now for me, I need to update trello | 14:43 |
| yofel | right, don't worry | 14:44 |
| sgclark | yofel: is the README the new workflow? the only thing I see new is git-push-all is that right? | 15:03 |
| yofel | it's not. The README is updated with my work, but santa_ hasn't written any docs yet I believe | 15:09 |
| sgclark | afraid my window to be productive is very small. I leave again for holidays. I will have to try new workflow another time then. Sorry. | 15:15 |
| yofel | yeah, it's something we have to do while santa is around | 15:16 |
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| sgclark | wtf there are commits with version 5.5.80 which of course is causing explosions. I do not have time for this. | 16:15 |
| yofel | if that's about _unstable, then that's ok. 5.5 is _stable now | 16:23 |
| sgclark | the script is barfing all over the place. it is NOT ok | 16:24 |
| sgclark | why the hell would 5.5.80 e used even in unstable, it makes no sense | 16:24 |
| sgclark | sitter: ^^ why did you do this? | 16:25 |
| yofel | unstable tracks upstream unstable.. or what did you expect? | 16:25 |
| sgclark | I expect things not to explode. | 16:25 |
| yofel | that's kind of the point of CI ^^ | 16:26 |
| yofel | or well, telling people that stuff exploded. Except that when it comes to packaging, that happens all the time | 16:26 |
| sgclark | and looking at the release schedule we are no where near 5.5.80 | 16:27 |
| sgclark | 5.5.5 is march... | 16:27 |
| yofel | well, master is 5.6-dev, i.e. 5.5.80 | 16:28 |
| sgclark | oh and right. I am looking at stable, 5.5.80 staring at me. | 16:29 |
| yofel | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm | 16:29 |
| yofel | okaaay? That's not right indeed | 16:29 |
| sgclark | exactly, my point as to why I am not happy. | 16:29 |
| sgclark | sitter: Riddell: One of you bumped the stable version of libksysguard to 5.5.80 and I want to know why. | 16:36 |
| yofel | Interestingly, according to git, that commit is from september. Maybe Riddell wanted to write 5.4.80 and got the version wrong | 16:49 |
| sgclark | possibly. is there anyway to fix this? | 16:56 |
| yofel | needs bumping down the version and deleting any existing packages I fear | 16:59 |
| yofel | ofc. that will screw any users of ci-stable | 16:59 |
| yofel | the may blame jonathan for that | 16:59 |
| yofel | *they | 16:59 |
| sgclark | yeah that is what I thought. gotta do it though, stable will be no where near 5.5.80 for many months. | 17:00 |
| * BluesKaj checks if ci-stable ppa is commented | 17:17 | |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 20:07 |
| _Groo_ | test | 20:12 |
| _Groo_ | so ive been creating some ec2 instances and the like to start helpingwith packages | 20:16 |
| _Groo_ | mostly so i can git download from work, work on patches etc | 20:17 |
| _Groo_ | what is a good way to start helping? | 20:17 |
| soee | _Groo_: with packaging ? | 20:27 |
| yofel | hey _Groo_, been a while :D | 20:48 |
| clivejo | yofel: any chance you could update the plasma5.5 status on qa? | 21:11 |
| clivejo | I see 5.5.1 packages in the staging PPA | 21:11 |
| yofel | huh? | 21:23 |
| yofel | from where? | 21:23 |
| yofel | ah, sgclark uploaded it | 21:24 |
| yofel | sgclark: please update the ninja notepad when you work on the releases. There's also relevant notes for plasma there | 21:25 |
| yofel | sgclark: I also removed any ppa deps a while ago, so that set built against frameworks 5.15, not 17 | 21:28 |
| sgclark | sure? what does that mean to me? | 21:29 |
| yofel | dunno, if plasma 5.5 doesn't need the newer frameworks we're fine. | 21:30 |
| sgclark | ah, guess we'll see. If it does we are stopped until who knows when. kf5 blocked by networkmanager | 21:30 |
| yofel | can't we just build it with the old NM? | 21:31 |
| yofel | status page is missing as well, let me fix that | 21:32 |
| sgclark | yofel: and remove all those missing symbols? I don't know, that is your call. | 21:35 |
| yofel | let me check again where they came from | 21:36 |
| yofel | oh great, whoever did the initial packaging for nmqt never created a symbolfile :( | 21:41 |
| sgclark | yofel: they are from https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanager-qt.git&a=commit&h=7e57f90c85295e3596aa1b618fa148892bb46f0d | 21:44 |
| yofel | yeah, I found that. which tells me nothing | 21:44 |
| sgclark | which is stuff from the newer networkmanager. debian has it | 21:44 |
| sgclark | tells you nothing? | 21:44 |
| yofel | oh, I read the URL wrong, sorry | 21:45 |
| sgclark | well I sent an email to -devel and according to sitter and scottK help we arrived at we need the newer version of networkmanager which a debian merge would achieve. | 21:46 |
| sgclark | but my attempt at mergeomatic ended in a massive pile of diversion. And I have not looked at it since. | 21:46 |
| sgclark | for some reason all of the source was included and I am totally lost. | 21:47 |
| yofel | "need" does not match what cmake says. NetworkManager 0.9.8.4 REQUIRED | 21:48 |
| yofel | sure, the symbols are probably from the new one, which is why they're missing in our package | 21:48 |
| sgclark | not probably, they are. | 21:48 |
| yofel | Then I'll just remove them until we have the new NM | 21:49 |
| sgclark | ok | 21:49 |
| sgclark | ok, I have to step out for a few. Will continue my efforts when I get back. | 21:55 |
| soee | yofel: update topic as 5.5.1 is WIP ? | 21:59 |
| === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.5.1: W/TODO X/WIP Apps 15.08.3: W/WIP 15.12.0: TODO FW 5.17: W/TODO X/WIP | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | No, plasma 5.5 isn't packaged yet | ||
| yofel | you can do that too ^^ | 22:00 |
| soee | ;) | 22:00 |
| * valorie is happy to see the mess being sorted, and more volunteers | 22:00 | |
| yofel | clivejo: you can update the status page on qa as well you know | 22:05 |
| clivejo | Im afraid to use the tools | 22:05 |
| yofel | it's just a config file, and if you screw up just fix it. The cronjob pulls git before every page refresh | 22:06 |
| clivejo | and the tools got moved and Im not sure where to pull them from now | 22:06 |
| yofel | _ZNK14NetworkManager6Device7meteredEv | 22:07 |
| yofel | *sigh* | 22:07 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: hey hey long time no see | 22:07 |
| * yofel throws tomatoes at whoever broke the selection clipboard in google chrome | 22:07 | |
| Odur | Well... I really can't decode the topic. I must be dumb :) | 22:07 |
| yofel | clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/master | 22:07 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: so my padoka ppa is working well now, and i found ways to work with ec2 while at work and irc on top, so im ready to start helping you guys | 22:08 |
| yofel | Odur: <what> <version>: <release>/<status> | 22:08 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: like i said, i dont have a clue what crazy super advanced tech you guys are using to create the packages, so a crash course on the automation would be neat | 22:08 |
| Odur | hmm.... w/todo x/wip vs /w/wip? | 22:08 |
| yofel | wily todo, xenial wip | 22:09 |
| Odur | wip=work in progress I know. but W? | 22:09 |
| Odur | ah! I blame the whisky :) | 22:09 |
| yofel | blame ze willys | 22:09 |
| _Groo_ | W, wayland maybe? | 22:09 |
| yofel | heh | 22:09 |
| Odur | that too | 22:09 |
| _Groo_ | ah wily | 22:09 |
| _Groo_ | wily xeinal | 22:10 |
| _Groo_ | xenial :P | 22:10 |
| _Groo_ | i blame the vodka! | 22:10 |
| yofel | _Groo_: you're joining at fun times, we're redoing the automation stuff right now, so things are in flux right now | 22:10 |
| yofel | the readme is mostly right | 22:10 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: point me to the readme and ill work from there | 22:10 |
| Odur | Why not just drop apps 15.08.3 now when 15.12 is out? | 22:11 |
| _Groo_ | i want plasma 5.5.1 and 15.8.3 | 22:11 |
| _Groo_ | that too | 22:11 |
| _Groo_ | ^ | 22:11 |
| yofel | _Groo_: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/README | 22:11 |
| yofel | Odur: .3 is for wily stable updates | 22:11 |
| yofel | different target group | 22:11 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: stupid question, do i need to download plasmas 5.5.1 from git, or the brz stuff will do the "right thing" for me? | 22:13 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: ill try to put everything up this weekend, so its just a stupid question before looking at scripts and stuff | 22:14 |
| yofel | _Groo_: we stopped using bzr a long time ago. Our current repostories are on git.debian.org owned by the pkg-kde team, use the kubuntu_xenial_archive branch. | 22:14 |
| yofel | kubuntu_stable and kubuntu_unstable are CI branches | 22:14 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: those i know | 22:15 |
| Odur | yofel: I see. To bad cause there are some bug-fixes that didn't make it to 15.08.3 that are annoying. Google (Hangouts) web account comes to mind. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354949 | 22:15 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 354949 in auth-handler "Can't connect to gtalk account (Authentication failed: invalid-authzid)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 22:15 |
| yofel | oh, there I see bzr-buildpackage-ppa. That's supposed to say git-buildpackage-ppa | 22:15 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: exactly | 22:15 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: thats why i asked | 22:15 |
| yofel | ok, let me re-read the readme myself.. | 22:16 |
| yofel | needs some fixing after all | 22:16 |
| _Groo_ | ^ .^ | 22:16 |
| Odur | Well, I'm going back to my sofa and my beer now and let you work. My wife's turning 40 towmorrow, so I think I probably should be at my best then :P | 22:18 |
| yofel | hehe | 22:18 |
| Odur | <-- Can't spell | 22:18 |
| santa_ | yofel, sgclark: hi, just arrived home o/ | 22:21 |
| santa_ | regarding the docs of the new workflow the only document so far was that pdf with the terminator pic | 22:21 |
| santa_ | (which gives you a clue of the usage) | 22:22 |
| santa_ | anyway I can write a readme | 22:22 |
| _Groo_ | changpeng sent a "test commit" to llvm master, with a "this is my first commit" test | 22:24 |
| _Groo_ | then he reverted the commit | 22:24 |
| _Groo_ | and then he sent it again :D | 22:24 |
| _Groo_ | doesnt anyone reviews llvm commits to master? :D | 22:24 |
| _Groo_ | and you test git in master with a huge project? | 22:25 |
| _Groo_ | cant wait for the patches to radeon/si from this guy | 22:25 |
| yofel | why would you test stuff, we don't test our production stuff either | 22:26 |
| yofel | (note: that is not a good thing) | 22:26 |
| yofel | readme updated a bit | 22:26 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: he didnt sent any code, he just sent a test git commit to see if it works | 22:28 |
| santa_ | and reagarding plasma 5.5 | 22:28 |
| _Groo_ | in llvm master! | 22:28 |
| _Groo_ | oh the humanity! | 22:28 |
| santa_ | 1, is sgclark work available in git? | 22:28 |
| yofel | yes | 22:28 |
| yofel | _Groo_: btw. would you be interested at looking at lp 1519564 and lp 1516837 ? | 22:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1519564 in sddm (Ubuntu) "[merge request] SDDM 0.12.0 released on Sept. 5th" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519564 | 22:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1516837 in sddm (Ubuntu) "[update request] SDDM 0.13.0 released on Nov. 4th" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516837 | 22:29 |
| santa_ | 2. what am I suposed to do now with merges? | 22:29 |
| yofel | dunno, it seems like sgclark had already done most of them, no idea what the status is on that | 22:29 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: sure, sddm is pretty easy | 22:29 |
| _Groo_ | can i do it this weekend? im packing to go home | 22:30 |
| _Groo_ | let me take some notes | 22:30 |
| yofel | _Groo_: sure, it's somewhat important but always gets showed aside | 22:30 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: btw can i fix the stupid ugly icon that gets shipped by default? i use the one from breeze | 22:31 |
| _Groo_ | ill get 0.13.0 and do the packaging | 22:32 |
| yofel | _Groo_: for? | 22:32 |
| _Groo_ | ill log this weekend to ask about the automation, but ill do the package anyway.. if i get stuck with automation and i cant find anyone to bug, ill just upload to my test ppa and you can copy it from there | 22:33 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: ??what do you mean?? | 22:33 |
| yofel | for sddm? | 22:33 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: yes | 22:33 |
| yofel | where does the icon show up? | 22:33 |
| _Groo_ | default.face.icon | 22:34 |
| _Groo_ | the ugly one that looks like x11 from 1998 | 22:34 |
| yofel | ah, that's an upstream bug really if they didn't change it in 0.13 | 22:34 |
| _Groo_ | its the default icon when you start sddm | 22:35 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: i know, but its just the icon, cant we just replace it? | 22:35 |
| _Groo_ | its not like some fancy code or something | 22:35 |
| _Groo_ | im hitching for making a custom breeze plymouth theme for kubuntu | 22:36 |
| _Groo_ | and grub2 | 22:36 |
| _Groo_ | a proper kubuntu brand from top to bottom | 22:36 |
| yofel | feel free to propose something and we can talk about it | 22:36 |
| _Groo_ | it would take me some time, but it would be nice | 22:36 |
| yofel | I don't want to go the "replace random stuff because we like X better" again, but some branding would be nice, yes | 22:37 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: ill do better, ill do one for me based on breeze and once its "finished" ill propose for kubuntu | 22:37 |
| _Groo_ | we dont have ANY branding on grub | 22:37 |
| _Groo_ | and our kubuntu plymouth its from bush father administration! | 22:37 |
| yofel | becase we tried it, and broke UEFI boot with that | 22:37 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: ??? it a normal theme with a wallpaper | 22:38 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: i use the cat with glasses one, and just customize the fonts and wallpaper | 22:38 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: goes really great with the default plasma wallpaper | 22:38 |
| yofel | ah, not the theme, we tried to change the distro name | 22:38 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: no, im talking about giving the user a proper boot sequence | 22:39 |
| _Groo_ | grub with a kubuntu breeze theme, which jumps to the same plymouth theme,that ends with the sddm theme | 22:40 |
| _Groo_ | not like it is right now | 22:40 |
| _Groo_ | a grub from 1975 , next to a "kubuntu" with black background and then a wonderful themed sddm with plasma | 22:40 |
| yofel | sounds nice, nobody here has time for stuff like that, so any proposal welcome | 22:41 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: i know, i have it because i do it for myself, so why not make it useful :) | 22:41 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: once the grub theme and plymouth theme skeletons are done, we could even make a public contest if you guys like the idea | 22:42 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: so many talented designers out there | 22:42 |
| _Groo_ | going home, ill start working on sddm tomorrow and the grub/plymouth stuff when i have time | 22:43 |
| _Groo_ | seeya tomorrow | 22:43 |
| soee | cu | 22:49 |
| santa_ | yofel: pushed a few updates to my github automation's repo | 22:50 |
| santa_ | the last commit solves a small issue which you might have hit the first time to tested git-clone-all | 22:51 |
| santa_ | s/to tested/you tested/ | 22:52 |
| sgclark | santa_: yofel: We (shadeslayer and I) did many of the merges in the kubuntu_unstable branch. I have said several times that all of applications still need doing. But will update trello now. | 23:29 |
| sgclark | For the billionth time I am not all here with recent events in life. | 23:30 |
| valorie | sgclark: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and thanks for all your work | 23:32 |
| soee | i can hug you both to :) | 23:33 |
| sgclark | and it looks like trello has been updated. | 23:33 |
| * sgclark sighs in frustration | 23:33 | |
| valorie | sgclark: we have some recent volunteers | 23:35 |
| valorie | we just need to get them up to speed | 23:35 |
| valorie | please don't worry about it -- you are doing all you can | 23:35 |
| sgclark | well I am leaving again. | 23:35 |
| valorie | yup, and that is fine | 23:36 |
| valorie | your personal life is paramount | 23:36 |
| valorie | our users aren't paying customers, and even if they were, they would have to wait | 23:38 |
| sgclark | lol I am not paid. But I still feel the pressure is on me. This whole thing has hit me hard and making me do some serious re-thinking of my life. | 23:40 |
| valorie | well, take a bit of extra time off | 23:42 |
| valorie | this is a team effort | 23:42 |
| valorie | and really, if you have time, training others helps more than doing the work yourself | 23:42 |
| valorie | we need to spread it around | 23:42 |
| valorie | what if you get hit by a bus? | 23:43 |
| sgclark | that is the point. between KDE and Kubuntu I have NO time. | 23:43 |
| valorie | yeah | 23:43 |
| sgclark | if I had time, I would be learning the stuff I need to know to get an actual job that pays. | 23:43 |
| valorie | carve out a bit, and breathe a bit | 23:43 |
| valorie | that's what I've learned in my years caring for my dad | 23:44 |
| valorie | if I stress myself out and try to do it all, I end up sick and unable to do anything | 23:44 |
| valorie | so me first, the other stuff second | 23:44 |
| valorie | put on your own oxygen mask first, before helping others | 23:44 |
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