[00:00] <denza242> clivejo: ah you're here
[00:01] <clivejo> not for long!
[00:02] <denza242> clivejo: D:
[00:03] <clivejo> need sleep
[00:03] <denza242> ah
[00:03] <clivejo> there we go
[00:04] <clivejo> KCI is away
[00:07] <valorie> boo, I want greeeeeeen
[00:09] <clivejo> good night all
[00:16] <valorie> niters claydoh
[00:16] <valorie> I mean clivjo!
[00:34] <claydoh> heh
[00:36] <valorie> sorry for the ping, claydoh
[00:37] <claydoh> sok valorie, i seldom get those lol so its not a bad thing ;)
[00:38] <valorie> cool
[00:38] <claydoh> My new boss keeps calling me "Bob", who is one of the managers lol so i am used to it lmao
[00:40] <valorie> my husband IS Bob
[00:40] <valorie> so I won't call ya bob
[00:40] <valorie> I tend to think of people as their IRC nick when that's how I know them
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:21] <yofel> soee: to be fair, with the new package processing etc. that we have to do for plasma in xenial, my plan is to do the backports before taking care of the archive
[14:21] <yofel> even if that means that we'll skip alpha1
[14:21] <soee> yofel: i think once i was told thet the proccess is to put in archive than backports ?
[14:22] <yofel> usually yes, but as neither me and scarlett have permission to upload stuff to NEW, that might take a while..
[14:22] <yofel> so when xenial is ready, I want to move the stuff to ppa-landing for general consumtion and do the backports next
[14:22] <soee> yofel: what is causing the upload problem (permissions)? 
[14:23] <yofel> you need to have at least MOTU membership
[14:23] <yofel> and we need to apply for that first
[14:23] <soee> and it is hard to get one even for you gusy who work on the wld project?
[14:23] <soee> *whole project
[14:28] <sgclark> soee: yes, they could care less about the kde packages. We have to prove knowledge in all of ubuntu core.
[14:30] <Quintasan> yofel: uh, I have MOTU.
[14:30] <sgclark> and just looking at networkmanager I have a long way to go.
[14:30] <Quintasan> yofel: I can upload EVERYTHING, muahahahaha
[14:30] <yofel> well, not core :P
[14:30] <Quintasan> :<
[14:30] <yofel> but yeah, we will ask one of you guys
[14:31] <yofel> still means that the person working on kde will have to ask someone, so there is some unknown delay
[14:34] <BluesKaj> a lot of users are asking for a date when 5.5 will be in the repos ...I've been telling them a few days so i hope that's the target, otherwise I'll refrain and just tell them I don't know.
[14:38] <yofel> that is the target alright. I'm on vacation for the next 2 weeks so that should help. 
[14:38] <yofel> on that topic: I'm offline this evening and most of the day tomorrow
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ok yofel thanks
[14:39] <tsdgeos> yofel: sgclark: do you run xenial + sddm?
[14:40] <sgclark> well, networkmanager is holding up frameworks. I don't think I will be able to wrap my head around it with everything going on in RL. I will run plasam and applications before I leave for vacation.
[14:40] <sgclark> tsdgeos: no I am not on xenial
[14:40] <yofel> right now I'm wily, but on my own notebook yes (that was last updated a week ago)
[14:40] <BluesKaj> sddm is default in Xenial afaik, tsdgeos
[14:40] <tsdgeos> yofel: sgclark: someone should try it because i think it may need a rebuild since Qt 5.5.1 landed, it rendered my laptop #2 unbootable until i installed lightdm
[14:41] <BluesKaj> I didn't see any options 
[14:41] <yofel> hm, I updated to 5.5 and it kept working, but we'll check
[14:41] <tsdgeos> yofel: ok, may be something wrong in that laptop, i don't use it much :D
[14:42] <sgclark> yofel: is someone currently working on plasma 5.5?
[14:42] <yofel> hard to say, I had massive problems getting the first sddm releases to run at all for me. Since then I'm rather sceptical of sddms stability
[14:42] <yofel> sgclark: no, me and santa wanted to do the merging first
[14:42] <BluesKaj> I have no probs with sddm on Xenial
[14:42] <sgclark> applications need merging
[14:42] <yofel> then upload 5.5 using the new workflow (which is now in automation master)
[14:42] <sgclark> I am done with frameowrks and most of plasma
[14:43] <yofel> oh ok, we didn't know that :/
[14:43] <sgclark> yeah sorry, life is crazy right now for me, I need to update trello
[14:44] <yofel> right, don't worry
[15:03] <sgclark> yofel: is the README the new workflow? the only thing I see new is git-push-all is that right?
[15:09] <yofel> it's not. The README is updated with my work, but santa_ hasn't written any docs yet I believe
[15:15] <sgclark> afraid my window to be productive is very small. I leave again for holidays. I will have to try new workflow another time then. Sorry.
[15:16] <yofel> yeah, it's something we have to do while santa is around
[16:15] <sgclark> wtf there are commits with version 5.5.80 which of course is causing explosions. I do not have time for this.
[16:23] <yofel> if that's about _unstable, then that's ok. 5.5 is _stable now
[16:24] <sgclark> the script is barfing all over the place. it is NOT ok
[16:24] <sgclark> why the hell would 5.5.80 e used even in unstable, it makes no sense
[16:25] <sgclark> sitter: ^^ why did you do this?
[16:25] <yofel> unstable tracks upstream unstable.. or what did you expect?
[16:25] <sgclark> I expect things not to explode.
[16:26] <yofel> that's kind of the point of CI ^^
[16:26] <yofel> or well, telling people that stuff exploded. Except that when it comes to packaging, that happens all the time
[16:27] <sgclark> and looking at the release schedule we are no where near 5.5.80
[16:27] <sgclark> 5.5.5 is march...
[16:28] <yofel> well, master is 5.6-dev, i.e. 5.5.80
[16:29] <sgclark> oh and right. I am looking at stable, 5.5.80 staring at me.
[16:29] <yofel> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm
[16:29] <yofel> okaaay? That's not right indeed
[16:29] <sgclark> exactly, my point as to why I am not happy.
[16:36] <sgclark> sitter: Riddell: One of you bumped the stable version of libksysguard to 5.5.80 and I want to know why.
[16:49] <yofel> Interestingly, according to git, that commit is from september. Maybe Riddell wanted to write 5.4.80 and got the version wrong
[16:56] <sgclark> possibly. is there anyway to fix this? 
[16:59] <yofel> needs bumping down the version and deleting any existing packages I fear
[16:59] <yofel> ofc. that will screw any users of ci-stable
[16:59] <yofel> the may blame jonathan for that
[16:59] <yofel> *they
[17:00] <sgclark> yeah that is what I thought. gotta do it though, stable will be no where near 5.5.80 for many months.
[17:17]  * BluesKaj checks if ci-stable ppa is commented
[20:07] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:12] <_Groo_> test
[20:16] <_Groo_> so ive been creating some ec2 instances and the like to start helpingwith packages
[20:17] <_Groo_> mostly so i can git download from work, work on patches etc
[20:17] <_Groo_> what is a good way to start helping?
[20:27] <soee> _Groo_: with packaging ?
[20:48] <yofel> hey _Groo_, been a while :D
[21:11] <clivejo> yofel: any chance you could update the plasma5.5 status on qa?
[21:11] <clivejo> I see 5.5.1 packages in the staging PPA
[21:23] <yofel> huh?
[21:23] <yofel> from where?
[21:24] <yofel> ah, sgclark uploaded it
[21:25] <yofel> sgclark: please update the ninja notepad when you work on the releases. There's also relevant notes for plasma there
[21:28] <yofel> sgclark: I also removed any ppa deps a while ago, so that set built against frameworks 5.15, not 17
[21:29] <sgclark> sure? what does that mean to me?
[21:30] <yofel> dunno, if plasma 5.5 doesn't need the newer frameworks we're fine.
[21:30] <sgclark> ah, guess we'll see. If it does we are stopped until who knows when. kf5 blocked by networkmanager
[21:31] <yofel> can't we just build it with the old NM?
[21:32] <yofel> status page is missing as well, let me fix that
[21:35] <sgclark> yofel: and remove all those missing symbols? I don't know, that is your call.
[21:36] <yofel> let me check again where they came from
[21:41] <yofel> oh great, whoever did the initial packaging for nmqt never created a symbolfile :(
[21:44] <sgclark> yofel: they are from https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanager-qt.git&a=commit&h=7e57f90c85295e3596aa1b618fa148892bb46f0d
[21:44] <yofel> yeah, I found that. which tells me nothing
[21:44] <sgclark> which is stuff from the newer networkmanager. debian has it
[21:44] <sgclark> tells you nothing?
[21:45] <yofel> oh, I read the URL wrong, sorry
[21:46] <sgclark> well I sent an email to -devel and according to sitter and scottK help we arrived at we need the newer version of networkmanager which a debian merge would achieve.
[21:46] <sgclark> but my attempt at mergeomatic ended in a massive pile of diversion. And I have not looked at it since.
[21:47] <sgclark> for some reason all of the source was included and I am totally lost.
[21:48] <yofel> "need" does not match what cmake says. NetworkManager 0.9.8.4 REQUIRED
[21:48] <yofel> sure, the symbols are probably from the new one, which is why they're missing in our package
[21:48] <sgclark> not probably, they are.
[21:49] <yofel> Then I'll just remove them until we have the new NM
[21:49] <sgclark> ok
[21:55] <sgclark> ok, I have to step out for a few. Will continue my efforts when I get back.
[21:59] <soee> yofel: update topic as 5.5.1 is WIP ?
[22:00] <yofel> you can do that too ^^
[22:00] <soee> ;)
[22:00]  * valorie is happy to see the mess being sorted, and more volunteers
[22:05] <yofel> clivejo: you can update the status page on qa as well you know
[22:05] <clivejo> Im afraid to use the tools
[22:06] <yofel> it's just a config file, and if you screw up just fix it. The cronjob pulls git before every page refresh
[22:06] <clivejo> and the tools got moved and Im not sure where to pull them from now
[22:07] <yofel> _ZNK14NetworkManager6Device7meteredEv
[22:07] <yofel> *sigh*
[22:07] <_Groo_> yofel: hey hey long time no see
[22:07]  * yofel throws tomatoes at whoever broke the selection clipboard in google chrome
[22:07] <Odur> Well... I really can't decode the topic. I must be dumb :)
[22:07] <yofel> clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/master
[22:08] <_Groo_> yofel: so my padoka ppa is working well now, and i found ways to work with ec2 while at work and irc on top, so im ready to start helping you guys
[22:08] <yofel> Odur: <what> <version>: <release>/<status>
[22:08] <_Groo_> yofel: like i said, i dont have a clue what crazy super advanced tech you guys are using to create the packages, so a crash course on the automation would be neat
[22:08] <Odur> hmm.... w/todo x/wip vs /w/wip?
[22:09] <yofel> wily todo, xenial wip
[22:09] <Odur> wip=work in progress I know. but W?
[22:09] <Odur> ah! I blame the whisky :)
[22:09] <yofel> blame ze willys
[22:09] <_Groo_> W, wayland maybe?
[22:09] <yofel> heh
[22:09] <Odur> that too
[22:09] <_Groo_> ah wily
[22:10] <_Groo_> wily xeinal
[22:10] <_Groo_> xenial :P
[22:10] <_Groo_> i blame the vodka!
[22:10] <yofel> _Groo_: you're joining at fun times, we're redoing the automation stuff right now, so things are in flux right now
[22:10] <yofel> the readme is mostly right
[22:10] <_Groo_> yofel: point me to the readme and ill work from there
[22:11] <Odur> Why not just drop apps 15.08.3 now when 15.12 is out?
[22:11] <_Groo_> i want plasma 5.5.1 and 15.8.3
[22:11] <_Groo_> that too
[22:11] <_Groo_> ^
[22:11] <yofel> _Groo_: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/README
[22:11] <yofel> Odur: .3 is for wily stable updates
[22:11] <yofel> different target group
[22:13] <_Groo_> yofel: stupid question, do i need to download plasmas 5.5.1 from git, or the brz stuff will do the "right thing" for me?
[22:14] <_Groo_> yofel: ill try to put everything up this weekend, so its just a stupid question before looking at scripts and stuff
[22:14] <yofel> _Groo_: we stopped using bzr a long time ago. Our current repostories are on git.debian.org owned by the pkg-kde team, use the kubuntu_xenial_archive branch.
[22:14] <yofel> kubuntu_stable and kubuntu_unstable are CI branches
[22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: those i know
[22:15] <Odur> yofel: I see. To bad cause there are some bug-fixes that didn't make it to 15.08.3 that are annoying. Google (Hangouts) web account comes to mind. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354949
[22:15] <yofel> oh, there I see bzr-buildpackage-ppa. That's supposed to say git-buildpackage-ppa
[22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: exactly
[22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: thats why i asked
[22:16] <yofel> ok, let me re-read the readme myself..
[22:16] <yofel> needs some fixing after all
[22:16] <_Groo_> ^ .^
[22:18] <Odur> Well, I'm going back to my sofa and my beer now and let you work. My wife's turning 40 towmorrow, so I think I probably should be at my best then :P
[22:18] <yofel> hehe
[22:18] <Odur> <-- Can't spell
[22:21] <santa_> yofel, sgclark: hi, just arrived home o/
[22:21] <santa_> regarding the docs of the new workflow the only document so far was that pdf with the terminator pic
[22:22] <santa_> (which gives you a clue of the usage)
[22:22] <santa_> anyway I can write a readme
[22:24] <_Groo_> changpeng sent a "test commit" to llvm master, with a "this is my first commit" test
[22:24] <_Groo_> then he reverted the commit
[22:24] <_Groo_> and then he sent it again :D
[22:24] <_Groo_> doesnt anyone reviews llvm commits to master? :D
[22:25] <_Groo_> and you test git in master with a huge project?
[22:25] <_Groo_> cant wait for the patches to radeon/si from this guy
[22:26] <yofel> why would you test stuff, we don't test our production stuff either
[22:26] <yofel> (note: that is not a good thing)
[22:26] <yofel> readme updated a bit
[22:28] <_Groo_> yofel: he didnt sent any code, he just sent a test git commit to see if it works
[22:28] <santa_> and reagarding plasma 5.5
[22:28] <_Groo_> in llvm master!
[22:28] <_Groo_> oh the humanity!
[22:28] <santa_> 1, is sgclark work available in git?
[22:28] <yofel> yes
[22:29] <yofel> _Groo_: btw. would you be interested at looking at lp 1519564 and lp 1516837 ?
[22:29] <santa_> 2. what am I suposed to do now with merges?
[22:29] <yofel> dunno, it seems like sgclark had already done most of them, no idea what the status is on that
[22:29] <_Groo_> yofel: sure, sddm is pretty easy
[22:30] <_Groo_> can i do it this weekend? im packing to go home
[22:30] <_Groo_> let me take some notes
[22:30] <yofel> _Groo_: sure, it's somewhat important but always gets showed aside
[22:31] <_Groo_> yofel: btw can i fix the stupid ugly icon that gets shipped by default? i use the one from breeze
[22:32] <_Groo_> ill get 0.13.0 and do the packaging
[22:32] <yofel> _Groo_: for?
[22:33] <_Groo_> ill log this weekend to ask about the automation, but ill do the package anyway.. if i get stuck with automation and i cant find anyone to bug, ill just upload to my test ppa and you can copy it from there
[22:33] <_Groo_> yofel: ??what do you mean??
[22:33] <yofel> for sddm?
[22:33] <_Groo_> yofel: yes
[22:33] <yofel> where does the icon show up?
[22:34] <_Groo_> default.face.icon
[22:34] <_Groo_> the ugly one that looks like x11 from 1998
[22:34] <yofel> ah, that's an upstream bug really if they didn't change it in 0.13
[22:35] <_Groo_> its the default icon when you start sddm
[22:35] <_Groo_> yofel: i know, but its just the icon, cant we just replace it?
[22:35] <_Groo_> its not like some fancy code or something
[22:36] <_Groo_> im hitching for making a custom breeze plymouth theme for kubuntu
[22:36] <_Groo_> and grub2
[22:36] <_Groo_> a proper kubuntu brand from top to bottom
[22:36] <yofel> feel free to propose something and we can talk about it
[22:36] <_Groo_> it would take me some time, but it would be nice
[22:37] <yofel> I don't want to go the "replace random stuff because we like X better" again, but some branding would be nice, yes
[22:37] <_Groo_> yofel: ill do better, ill do one for me based on breeze and once its "finished" ill propose for kubuntu
[22:37] <_Groo_> we dont have ANY branding on grub
[22:37] <_Groo_> and our kubuntu plymouth its from bush father administration!
[22:37] <yofel> becase we tried it, and broke UEFI boot with that
[22:38] <_Groo_> yofel: ??? it a normal theme with a wallpaper
[22:38] <_Groo_> yofel: i use the cat with glasses one, and just customize the fonts and wallpaper
[22:38] <_Groo_> yofel: goes really great with the default plasma wallpaper
[22:38] <yofel> ah, not the theme, we tried to change the distro name
[22:39] <_Groo_> yofel: no, im talking about giving the user a proper boot sequence
[22:40] <_Groo_> grub with a kubuntu breeze theme, which jumps to the same plymouth theme,that ends with the sddm theme
[22:40] <_Groo_> not like it is right now
[22:40] <_Groo_> a grub from 1975 , next to a "kubuntu" with black background and then a wonderful themed sddm with plasma
[22:41] <yofel> sounds nice, nobody here has time for stuff like that, so any proposal welcome
[22:41] <_Groo_> yofel: i know, i have it because i do it for  myself, so why not make it useful :)
[22:42] <_Groo_> yofel: once the grub theme and plymouth theme skeletons are done, we could even make a public contest if you guys like the idea
[22:42] <_Groo_> yofel: so many talented designers out there
[22:43] <_Groo_> going home, ill start working on sddm tomorrow and the grub/plymouth stuff when i have time 
[22:43] <_Groo_> seeya tomorrow
[22:49] <soee> cu
[22:50] <santa_> yofel: pushed a few updates to my github automation's repo
[22:51] <santa_> the last commit solves a small issue which you might have hit the first time to tested git-clone-all
[22:52] <santa_> s/to tested/you tested/
[23:29] <sgclark> santa_: yofel: We (shadeslayer and I) did many of the merges in the kubuntu_unstable branch. I have said several times that all of applications still need doing. But will update trello now.
[23:30] <sgclark> For the billionth time I am not all here with recent events in life.
[23:32] <valorie> sgclark: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and thanks for all your work
[23:33] <soee> i can hug you both to :)
[23:33] <sgclark> and it looks like trello has been updated.
[23:33]  * sgclark sighs in frustration
[23:35] <valorie> sgclark: we have some recent volunteers
[23:35] <valorie> we just need to get them up to speed
[23:35] <valorie> please don't worry about it -- you are doing all you can
[23:35] <sgclark> well I am leaving again. 
[23:36] <valorie> yup, and that is fine
[23:36] <valorie> your personal life is paramount
[23:38] <valorie> our users aren't paying customers, and even if they were, they would have to wait
[23:40] <sgclark> lol I am not paid. But I still feel the pressure is on me. This whole thing has hit me hard and making me do some serious re-thinking of my life.
[23:42] <valorie> well, take a bit of extra time off
[23:42] <valorie> this is a team effort
[23:42] <valorie> and really, if you have time, training others helps more than doing the work yourself
[23:42] <valorie> we need to spread it around
[23:43] <valorie> what if you get hit by a bus?
[23:43] <sgclark> that is the point. between KDE and Kubuntu I have NO  time.
[23:43] <valorie> yeah
[23:43] <sgclark> if I had time, I would be learning the stuff I need to know to get an actual job that pays.
[23:43] <valorie> carve out a bit, and breathe a bit
[23:44] <valorie> that's what I've learned in my years caring for my dad
[23:44] <valorie> if I stress myself out and try to do it all, I end up sick and unable to do anything
[23:44] <valorie> so me first, the other stuff second
[23:44] <valorie> put on your own oxygen mask first, before helping others