[00:00] clivejo: ah you're here [00:01] not for long! [00:02] clivejo: D: [00:03] need sleep [00:03] ah [00:03] there we go [00:04] KCI is away [00:07] boo, I want greeeeeeen [00:09] good night all [00:16] niters claydoh [00:16] I mean clivjo! [00:34] heh [00:36] sorry for the ping, claydoh [00:37] sok valorie, i seldom get those lol so its not a bad thing ;) [00:38] cool [00:38] My new boss keeps calling me "Bob", who is one of the managers lol so i am used to it lmao [00:40] my husband IS Bob [00:40] so I won't call ya bob [00:40] I tend to think of people as their IRC nick when that's how I know them === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos [12:18] Howdy all [14:21] soee: to be fair, with the new package processing etc. that we have to do for plasma in xenial, my plan is to do the backports before taking care of the archive [14:21] even if that means that we'll skip alpha1 [14:21] yofel: i think once i was told thet the proccess is to put in archive than backports ? [14:22] usually yes, but as neither me and scarlett have permission to upload stuff to NEW, that might take a while.. [14:22] so when xenial is ready, I want to move the stuff to ppa-landing for general consumtion and do the backports next [14:22] yofel: what is causing the upload problem (permissions)? [14:23] you need to have at least MOTU membership [14:23] and we need to apply for that first [14:23] and it is hard to get one even for you gusy who work on the wld project? [14:23] *whole project [14:28] soee: yes, they could care less about the kde packages. We have to prove knowledge in all of ubuntu core. [14:30] yofel: uh, I have MOTU. [14:30] and just looking at networkmanager I have a long way to go. [14:30] yofel: I can upload EVERYTHING, muahahahaha [14:30] well, not core :P [14:30] :< [14:30] but yeah, we will ask one of you guys [14:31] still means that the person working on kde will have to ask someone, so there is some unknown delay [14:34] a lot of users are asking for a date when 5.5 will be in the repos ...I've been telling them a few days so i hope that's the target, otherwise I'll refrain and just tell them I don't know. [14:38] that is the target alright. I'm on vacation for the next 2 weeks so that should help. [14:38] on that topic: I'm offline this evening and most of the day tomorrow [14:39] ok yofel thanks [14:39] yofel: sgclark: do you run xenial + sddm? [14:40] well, networkmanager is holding up frameworks. I don't think I will be able to wrap my head around it with everything going on in RL. I will run plasam and applications before I leave for vacation. [14:40] tsdgeos: no I am not on xenial [14:40] right now I'm wily, but on my own notebook yes (that was last updated a week ago) [14:40] sddm is default in Xenial afaik, tsdgeos [14:40] yofel: sgclark: someone should try it because i think it may need a rebuild since Qt 5.5.1 landed, it rendered my laptop #2 unbootable until i installed lightdm [14:41] I didn't see any options [14:41] hm, I updated to 5.5 and it kept working, but we'll check [14:41] yofel: ok, may be something wrong in that laptop, i don't use it much :D [14:42] yofel: is someone currently working on plasma 5.5? [14:42] hard to say, I had massive problems getting the first sddm releases to run at all for me. Since then I'm rather sceptical of sddms stability [14:42] sgclark: no, me and santa wanted to do the merging first [14:42] I have no probs with sddm on Xenial [14:42] applications need merging [14:42] then upload 5.5 using the new workflow (which is now in automation master) [14:42] I am done with frameowrks and most of plasma [14:43] oh ok, we didn't know that :/ [14:43] yeah sorry, life is crazy right now for me, I need to update trello [14:44] right, don't worry [15:03] yofel: is the README the new workflow? the only thing I see new is git-push-all is that right? [15:09] it's not. The README is updated with my work, but santa_ hasn't written any docs yet I believe [15:15] afraid my window to be productive is very small. I leave again for holidays. I will have to try new workflow another time then. Sorry. [15:16] yeah, it's something we have to do while santa is around === frecel_ is now known as frecel [16:15] wtf there are commits with version 5.5.80 which of course is causing explosions. I do not have time for this. [16:23] if that's about _unstable, then that's ok. 5.5 is _stable now [16:24] the script is barfing all over the place. it is NOT ok [16:24] why the hell would 5.5.80 e used even in unstable, it makes no sense [16:25] sitter: ^^ why did you do this? [16:25] unstable tracks upstream unstable.. or what did you expect? [16:25] I expect things not to explode. [16:26] that's kind of the point of CI ^^ [16:26] or well, telling people that stuff exploded. Except that when it comes to packaging, that happens all the time [16:27] and looking at the release schedule we are no where near 5.5.80 [16:27] 5.5.5 is march... [16:28] well, master is 5.6-dev, i.e. 5.5.80 [16:29] oh and right. I am looking at stable, 5.5.80 staring at me. [16:29] eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm [16:29] okaaay? That's not right indeed [16:29] exactly, my point as to why I am not happy. [16:36] sitter: Riddell: One of you bumped the stable version of libksysguard to 5.5.80 and I want to know why. [16:49] Interestingly, according to git, that commit is from september. Maybe Riddell wanted to write 5.4.80 and got the version wrong [16:56] possibly. is there anyway to fix this? [16:59] needs bumping down the version and deleting any existing packages I fear [16:59] ofc. that will screw any users of ci-stable [16:59] the may blame jonathan for that [16:59] *they [17:00] yeah that is what I thought. gotta do it though, stable will be no where near 5.5.80 for many months. [17:17] * BluesKaj checks if ci-stable ppa is commented [20:07] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [20:12] <_Groo_> test [20:16] <_Groo_> so ive been creating some ec2 instances and the like to start helpingwith packages [20:17] <_Groo_> mostly so i can git download from work, work on patches etc [20:17] <_Groo_> what is a good way to start helping? [20:27] _Groo_: with packaging ? [20:48] hey _Groo_, been a while :D [21:11] yofel: any chance you could update the plasma5.5 status on qa? [21:11] I see 5.5.1 packages in the staging PPA [21:23] huh? [21:23] from where? [21:24] ah, sgclark uploaded it [21:25] sgclark: please update the ninja notepad when you work on the releases. There's also relevant notes for plasma there [21:28] sgclark: I also removed any ppa deps a while ago, so that set built against frameworks 5.15, not 17 [21:29] sure? what does that mean to me? [21:30] dunno, if plasma 5.5 doesn't need the newer frameworks we're fine. [21:30] ah, guess we'll see. If it does we are stopped until who knows when. kf5 blocked by networkmanager [21:31] can't we just build it with the old NM? [21:32] status page is missing as well, let me fix that [21:35] yofel: and remove all those missing symbols? I don't know, that is your call. [21:36] let me check again where they came from [21:41] oh great, whoever did the initial packaging for nmqt never created a symbolfile :( [21:44] yofel: they are from https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanager-qt.git&a=commit&h=7e57f90c85295e3596aa1b618fa148892bb46f0d [21:44] yeah, I found that. which tells me nothing [21:44] which is stuff from the newer networkmanager. debian has it [21:44] tells you nothing? [21:45] oh, I read the URL wrong, sorry [21:46] well I sent an email to -devel and according to sitter and scottK help we arrived at we need the newer version of networkmanager which a debian merge would achieve. [21:46] but my attempt at mergeomatic ended in a massive pile of diversion. And I have not looked at it since. [21:47] for some reason all of the source was included and I am totally lost. [21:48] "need" does not match what cmake says. NetworkManager 0.9.8.4 REQUIRED [21:48] sure, the symbols are probably from the new one, which is why they're missing in our package [21:48] not probably, they are. [21:49] Then I'll just remove them until we have the new NM [21:49] ok [21:55] ok, I have to step out for a few. Will continue my efforts when I get back. [21:59] yofel: update topic as 5.5.1 is WIP ? === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.5.1: W/TODO X/WIP Apps 15.08.3: W/WIP 15.12.0: TODO FW 5.17: W/TODO X/WIP | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | No, plasma 5.5 isn't packaged yet [22:00] you can do that too ^^ [22:00] ;) [22:00] * valorie is happy to see the mess being sorted, and more volunteers [22:05] clivejo: you can update the status page on qa as well you know [22:05] Im afraid to use the tools [22:06] it's just a config file, and if you screw up just fix it. The cronjob pulls git before every page refresh [22:06] and the tools got moved and Im not sure where to pull them from now [22:07] _ZNK14NetworkManager6Device7meteredEv [22:07] *sigh* [22:07] <_Groo_> yofel: hey hey long time no see [22:07] * yofel throws tomatoes at whoever broke the selection clipboard in google chrome [22:07] Well... I really can't decode the topic. I must be dumb :) [22:07] clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/master [22:08] <_Groo_> yofel: so my padoka ppa is working well now, and i found ways to work with ec2 while at work and irc on top, so im ready to start helping you guys [22:08] Odur: : / [22:08] <_Groo_> yofel: like i said, i dont have a clue what crazy super advanced tech you guys are using to create the packages, so a crash course on the automation would be neat [22:08] hmm.... w/todo x/wip vs /w/wip? [22:09] wily todo, xenial wip [22:09] wip=work in progress I know. but W? [22:09] ah! I blame the whisky :) [22:09] blame ze willys [22:09] <_Groo_> W, wayland maybe? [22:09] heh [22:09] that too [22:09] <_Groo_> ah wily [22:10] <_Groo_> wily xeinal [22:10] <_Groo_> xenial :P [22:10] <_Groo_> i blame the vodka! [22:10] _Groo_: you're joining at fun times, we're redoing the automation stuff right now, so things are in flux right now [22:10] the readme is mostly right [22:10] <_Groo_> yofel: point me to the readme and ill work from there [22:11] Why not just drop apps 15.08.3 now when 15.12 is out? [22:11] <_Groo_> i want plasma 5.5.1 and 15.8.3 [22:11] <_Groo_> that too [22:11] <_Groo_> ^ [22:11] _Groo_: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/README [22:11] Odur: .3 is for wily stable updates [22:11] different target group [22:13] <_Groo_> yofel: stupid question, do i need to download plasmas 5.5.1 from git, or the brz stuff will do the "right thing" for me? [22:14] <_Groo_> yofel: ill try to put everything up this weekend, so its just a stupid question before looking at scripts and stuff [22:14] _Groo_: we stopped using bzr a long time ago. Our current repostories are on git.debian.org owned by the pkg-kde team, use the kubuntu_xenial_archive branch. [22:14] kubuntu_stable and kubuntu_unstable are CI branches [22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: those i know [22:15] yofel: I see. To bad cause there are some bug-fixes that didn't make it to 15.08.3 that are annoying. Google (Hangouts) web account comes to mind. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354949 [22:15] KDE bug 354949 in auth-handler "Can't connect to gtalk account (Authentication failed: invalid-authzid)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [22:15] oh, there I see bzr-buildpackage-ppa. That's supposed to say git-buildpackage-ppa [22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: exactly [22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: thats why i asked [22:16] ok, let me re-read the readme myself.. [22:16] needs some fixing after all [22:16] <_Groo_> ^ .^ [22:18] Well, I'm going back to my sofa and my beer now and let you work. My wife's turning 40 towmorrow, so I think I probably should be at my best then :P [22:18] hehe [22:18] <-- Can't spell [22:21] yofel, sgclark: hi, just arrived home o/ [22:21] regarding the docs of the new workflow the only document so far was that pdf with the terminator pic [22:22] (which gives you a clue of the usage) [22:22] anyway I can write a readme [22:24] <_Groo_> changpeng sent a "test commit" to llvm master, with a "this is my first commit" test [22:24] <_Groo_> then he reverted the commit [22:24] <_Groo_> and then he sent it again :D [22:24] <_Groo_> doesnt anyone reviews llvm commits to master? :D [22:25] <_Groo_> and you test git in master with a huge project? [22:25] <_Groo_> cant wait for the patches to radeon/si from this guy [22:26] why would you test stuff, we don't test our production stuff either [22:26] (note: that is not a good thing) [22:26] readme updated a bit [22:28] <_Groo_> yofel: he didnt sent any code, he just sent a test git commit to see if it works [22:28] and reagarding plasma 5.5 [22:28] <_Groo_> in llvm master! [22:28] <_Groo_> oh the humanity! [22:28] 1, is sgclark work available in git? [22:28] yes [22:29] _Groo_: btw. would you be interested at looking at lp 1519564 and lp 1516837 ? [22:29] Launchpad bug 1519564 in sddm (Ubuntu) "[merge request] SDDM 0.12.0 released on Sept. 5th" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519564 [22:29] Launchpad bug 1516837 in sddm (Ubuntu) "[update request] SDDM 0.13.0 released on Nov. 4th" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516837 [22:29] 2. what am I suposed to do now with merges? [22:29] dunno, it seems like sgclark had already done most of them, no idea what the status is on that [22:29] <_Groo_> yofel: sure, sddm is pretty easy [22:30] <_Groo_> can i do it this weekend? im packing to go home [22:30] <_Groo_> let me take some notes [22:30] _Groo_: sure, it's somewhat important but always gets showed aside [22:31] <_Groo_> yofel: btw can i fix the stupid ugly icon that gets shipped by default? i use the one from breeze [22:32] <_Groo_> ill get 0.13.0 and do the packaging [22:32] _Groo_: for? [22:33] <_Groo_> ill log this weekend to ask about the automation, but ill do the package anyway.. if i get stuck with automation and i cant find anyone to bug, ill just upload to my test ppa and you can copy it from there [22:33] <_Groo_> yofel: ??what do you mean?? [22:33] for sddm? [22:33] <_Groo_> yofel: yes [22:33] where does the icon show up? [22:34] <_Groo_> default.face.icon [22:34] <_Groo_> the ugly one that looks like x11 from 1998 [22:34] ah, that's an upstream bug really if they didn't change it in 0.13 [22:35] <_Groo_> its the default icon when you start sddm [22:35] <_Groo_> yofel: i know, but its just the icon, cant we just replace it? [22:35] <_Groo_> its not like some fancy code or something [22:36] <_Groo_> im hitching for making a custom breeze plymouth theme for kubuntu [22:36] <_Groo_> and grub2 [22:36] <_Groo_> a proper kubuntu brand from top to bottom [22:36] feel free to propose something and we can talk about it [22:36] <_Groo_> it would take me some time, but it would be nice [22:37] I don't want to go the "replace random stuff because we like X better" again, but some branding would be nice, yes [22:37] <_Groo_> yofel: ill do better, ill do one for me based on breeze and once its "finished" ill propose for kubuntu [22:37] <_Groo_> we dont have ANY branding on grub [22:37] <_Groo_> and our kubuntu plymouth its from bush father administration! [22:37] becase we tried it, and broke UEFI boot with that [22:38] <_Groo_> yofel: ??? it a normal theme with a wallpaper [22:38] <_Groo_> yofel: i use the cat with glasses one, and just customize the fonts and wallpaper [22:38] <_Groo_> yofel: goes really great with the default plasma wallpaper [22:38] ah, not the theme, we tried to change the distro name [22:39] <_Groo_> yofel: no, im talking about giving the user a proper boot sequence [22:40] <_Groo_> grub with a kubuntu breeze theme, which jumps to the same plymouth theme,that ends with the sddm theme [22:40] <_Groo_> not like it is right now [22:40] <_Groo_> a grub from 1975 , next to a "kubuntu" with black background and then a wonderful themed sddm with plasma [22:41] sounds nice, nobody here has time for stuff like that, so any proposal welcome [22:41] <_Groo_> yofel: i know, i have it because i do it for myself, so why not make it useful :) [22:42] <_Groo_> yofel: once the grub theme and plymouth theme skeletons are done, we could even make a public contest if you guys like the idea [22:42] <_Groo_> yofel: so many talented designers out there [22:43] <_Groo_> going home, ill start working on sddm tomorrow and the grub/plymouth stuff when i have time [22:43] <_Groo_> seeya tomorrow [22:49] cu [22:50] yofel: pushed a few updates to my github automation's repo [22:51] the last commit solves a small issue which you might have hit the first time to tested git-clone-all [22:52] s/to tested/you tested/ [23:29] santa_: yofel: We (shadeslayer and I) did many of the merges in the kubuntu_unstable branch. I have said several times that all of applications still need doing. But will update trello now. [23:30] For the billionth time I am not all here with recent events in life. [23:32] sgclark: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and thanks for all your work [23:33] i can hug you both to :) [23:33] and it looks like trello has been updated. [23:33] * sgclark sighs in frustration [23:35] sgclark: we have some recent volunteers [23:35] we just need to get them up to speed [23:35] please don't worry about it -- you are doing all you can [23:35] well I am leaving again. [23:36] yup, and that is fine [23:36] your personal life is paramount [23:38] our users aren't paying customers, and even if they were, they would have to wait [23:40] lol I am not paid. But I still feel the pressure is on me. This whole thing has hit me hard and making me do some serious re-thinking of my life. [23:42] well, take a bit of extra time off [23:42] this is a team effort [23:42] and really, if you have time, training others helps more than doing the work yourself [23:42] we need to spread it around [23:43] what if you get hit by a bus? [23:43] that is the point. between KDE and Kubuntu I have NO time. [23:43] yeah [23:43] if I had time, I would be learning the stuff I need to know to get an actual job that pays. [23:43] carve out a bit, and breathe a bit [23:44] that's what I've learned in my years caring for my dad [23:44] if I stress myself out and try to do it all, I end up sick and unable to do anything [23:44] so me first, the other stuff second [23:44] put on your own oxygen mask first, before helping others