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hikikoHello05:41
pittiGood monring05:52
didrocksgood morning06:30
pittibonjour didrocks !07:06
didrockshey pitti, ça va ?07:07
pittididrocks: ça va bien, merci ! et toi ?07:07
didrocksça va, merci !07:08
alexarnaudbonjour didrocks et pitti07:14
alexarnaudquelqu'un s'y connait en packing compiz ?07:14
didrocksalexarnaud: yeah, a little (I did package it for years ;))07:14
pittibonjour alexarnaud07:14
alexarnauddidrocks: do you want to spek in english or in PM ?07:14
didrocksalexarnaud: I'm fine with both, whatever you prefer ;)07:15
alexarnauddidrocks: I'm trying to have access to GSettings on my Debian package but nothing work. Which part of the Ubuntu package or configuration should I get for this ?07:16
didrocksyou mean, accessing the gsettings schema/key for building profiles?07:16
alexarnauddidrocks: for the package, see http://debian.hypra.fr/debian/import_key07:18
alexarnauddidrocks: yes07:18
alexarnaudI thing we have fail in the packaging or in compiz version maybe. I don't what part or what element I need to check to active GSettings in Compiz.07:19
didrocksso, to build the gsettings profiles, you need to:07:19
didrocksuse -DUSE_GSETTINGS=ON07:19
didrocks(look at our source package in debian/rules07:19
didrocks-DCOMPIZ_DISABLE_GS_SCHEMAS_INSTALL=OFF07:19
didrocksat least, with those, the base gsettings schema will be generated07:19
alexarnaudwhat "COMPIZ_DISABLE_GS_SCHEMAS_INSTALL=OFF" mean ?07:20
didrocksto install in "make install" the gsettings schemas files07:20
didrocks(yeah double negation in the settings! :p)07:20
didrocksyou just change your debian/rules to use both cmake flags07:20
alexarnaudOK didrocks, thanks you very much. Will you hear this afternoon ? I will applies your advises the afternoon.07:21
didrocksalexarnaud: I should be, yeah :)07:21
alexarnauddidrocks: OK, thanks very much07:22
didrocksyw!07:25
alexarnauddidrocks: if you would like another day we could discuess accessibility issue in Compiz. May you could help to find which people treats accessibility subject at Canonical.07:26
alexarnauddidrocks: I work at hypra.fr, we choose Mate and Compiz to deliver accessible desktop to visual impaired and blind people07:27
didrocksalexarnaud: there are no more upstream real upstream per say, but you can still talk to hikiko and TheMuso I guess about this07:27
didrocksalexarnaud: however, we'll accept contributions I guess for those and can merge in trunk :)07:28
didrocksah, you work with Access42 :)07:29
alexarnauddidrocks: no really, it just creats the initial web site.07:30
alexarnaudbut we know lot of people in the french #a11y community07:30
alexarnauddidrocks: if you want you can join the Debian group to help us to make compiz in Debian07:31
didrocksyeah, I see you were at debconf as well and I think you know kinouchou and such ;)07:31
didrocksalexarnaud: I tried to push it some years ago, there seems to have no real interest and TBH, I'm not maintaining compiz anymore, so not sure I'll be a good bet in the long term for this :)07:32
alexarnauddidrocks: yes, kinou give me you nick few years ago for talking Compiz and Unity a11y07:32
alexarnauddidrocks: wait a moment I will give you the links07:33
didrocks(and then, pitti thinks again "all those french guys know each other" ;))07:33
alexarnauddidrocks: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=72245107:34
ubot5Debian bug 722451 in wnpp "ITP: compiz -- Compositing "3D" window manager" [Wishlist,Open]07:34
pittibien sûr ! France, c'est très petite, il n'y a pas beaucoup de personnes :)07:34
didrockspitti: ahah, évidemment ! :)07:34
alexarnaudpitti: tout a fait :)07:34
didrocksalexarnaud: yeah, just a note ubuntu packaging == upstream ones (I'm the one who pushed it)07:36
didrocksif there are changes we can do to vendorize it and add some "if debian" in rules or such, I think we can merge that07:36
didrocksso that we don't split the packaging effort, it's then easier to maintain07:36
didrocksalexarnaud: I guess the only thing we don't want to go back is to split compiz is gazillion of sources07:37
alexarnauddidrocks: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/compiz/07:38
didrocksback at the the time, there were 8 sources for compiz07:38
didrockswhich needed to be built in the correct order07:38
didrocksknowing that compiz never had a stable ABI07:38
didrocksand so, this was just a PITA for each release :)07:38
didrocksso, I think you should try to merge with our packaging, and see where the differences are needed07:39
didrocksthat way, you will have the gsettings backend and such without any additional effort :)07:40
didrocksapart from some patches, there is nothing ubuntu-specific in it07:40
alexarnauddidrocks: gsettings are available by default in Ubuntu ?07:40
didrocks(and we can vendorize those)07:40
didrocksalexarnaud: sure, for at least 2 years07:40
didrocksthat's why I really think you shouldn't duplicate the work and start from our work07:41
alexarnaudOK07:41
didrockswe also build a special gles version for capable machines…07:41
alexarnauddidrocks: gles ?07:41
didrocksopengles07:42
alexarnaudOh, OK07:42
didrockswe have some mate (for ubuntu mate) default profile as well07:43
alexarnaudI'm totally aware of some part of Compiz technologies. I need to lear more and more.07:43
didrockswith the packaging, adding a profile is just a question of dropping the right .ini file07:43
alexarnauddidrocks: alose for gsettings ? ini file are automatically converted to gsettings at initialisation ?07:43
didrocksalexarnaud: exactly!07:44
alexarnauddidrocks: good !07:44
didrocksnot initialization, build time though07:44
didrocksbut users won't care about that detail :)07:44
alexarnaudwhat's about /etc/compizconfig/config ? If we change settings.07:45
didrocksthis is just for people using the ini backend07:46
didrockswhich is untested for quite a while, I wouldn't recommend using it07:46
didrocks(and only people fiddling in ccsm may use it)07:46
didrocksoh also, we dropped the gconf backend recently FYI07:47
didrocks(we didn't use it for a while, but it will still around. However, there is no reason at all to use it nowdays)07:47
ricotzdidrocks, hi, could you sponsor a automake-1.15 merge?08:01
didrocksricotz: hey! if it's a 5 minutes review, yeah, otherwise, I would prefer if we can get the traditional patch pilot doing it08:02
ricotzdidrocks, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/5781864/+listing-archive-extra08:02
didrocksricotz: uploaded08:06
ricotzdidrocks, thanks08:07
didrocksyw ;)08:07
ricotzdidrocks, on that thought autoconf-archive is quite outdated and could use an update too ;)08:09
didrocksseems you just candidated yourself to it :)08:10
ricotzit is in the same ppa, but it should be updated in debian08:10
didrockslet's wait in debian then, and maybe try to poke the patch pilot?08:10
didrockspeople should really do their shifts, anyone it's always the same set of 6-8 people doing all reviews08:11
didrocksricotz: for all those build tools, you can poke doko08:11
larsumorning!08:12
didrockshey larsu!08:12
ricotzdidrocks, I see, hard to actually reach him though ;)08:12
larsuhi didrocks, what's up?08:12
* larsu has to leave again in a bit - doctor's appointment08:12
didrocksricotz: he should be in european time, maybe try to ping steve at the same time :p08:13
didrockslarsu: everything's fine. You? are you ill? :/08:13
ricotzdidrocks, alright, thanks08:13
larsudidrocks: no it's good :)08:14
larsudidrocks: thanks08:14
* ricotz thinks this sudden perl transition is be quite a holiday gift :\08:14
didrocksricotz: isn't it? :/08:15
ricotzI am hoping the archive reaches a normal state before everyone is leaving ;)08:15
pittihaha, that was a good one08:16
didrocksricotz: a couple of tests failed: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230427459/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.automake-1.15_1%3A1.15-3ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz08:40
ricotzdidrocks, hmm :\, perl 5.22? the ppa build was before the new perl hit the archive08:43
didrockscan be08:44
cyphermoxricotz: hey, are you still interested in updating NM?08:46
ricotzcyphermox, hi, are you sure you mean me?08:46
cyphermoxI thought so, maybe not08:47
ricotzcould be I touched it some years ago08:47
cyphermoxno, someone asked me not that long ago08:47
cyphermoxignore me, I'm sick and not sleeping.08:47
ricotzthat wasn't me then ;)08:47
cyphermox;)08:48
ricotzdidrocks, I would say, wait for the transition to finish and retry the build08:50
didrocksricotz: if you think it's perl related, let's see…08:56
didrocksricotz: just remind me of retrying please08:56
willcookemorning all08:57
ricotzdidrocks, the ppa build succeeded fine (also against -proposed at this time), simply retying it now might even work too08:57
didrocksricotz: ok, let's see08:58
didrockswillcooke: !!!08:58
didrockswillcooke: feeling better?08:58
willcookedidrocks, yeah, mostly.08:58
willcookemust have been something from child #1 school going round.08:58
didrockswillcooke: urgh :/08:59
TrevinhoMorning!09:26
Trevinhowillcooke: nice to read you're better!09:27
willcookehey Trevinho, thanks09:27
willcookestill a bit "drained" ;)09:27
didrockshey Trevinho :)09:29
TrevinhoHi didrocks09:31
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Sweet5harkwillcooke: morning!11:17
* Sweet5hark opens a wormhole to communicate out of vacation.11:17
willcookehey Sweet5hark11:18
didrockshey Sweet5hark11:19
tjaaltonI changed my session language, but nautilus in xenial doesn't change the links (on left-side pane) and now they're broken. where to fix that?11:28
* Sweet5hark waves through the wormhole to didrocks. ;)11:28
didrockstjaalton: IIRC, it's using ~/.config/user-dir*.11:31
didrockstjaalton: you probably need to kill nautilus as well11:31
tjaaltondidrocks: those are fine, they got created after logging back in11:31
tjaaltonthe localized versions that is. left-side pane links are still in en(us)11:32
willcookedavmor2, still around?12:21
davmor2I am12:21
willcookedavmor2, do you remember if the 3g modem thing ever got fixed?  I'm still seeing issues.  The modem is "online" now, which it wasn't before, but I can't seem to connect12:23
willcookestill working out whats going on12:23
willcookefrom what I can remember, the old problem was usb modeswitch seg faulting12:24
willcookeand I /think/ that is indeed fixed12:24
davmor2willcooke: so iirc the old issue was that the version of usb modeswitch died and left you in the usb data mode rather than modem mode, if that were the issue still you wouldn't see it to connect to12:25
willcookeah, maybe that is it then12:26
willcookeI'll try it from the cli12:26
davmor2willcooke: do you have modem manager installed or have you removed it to flash the phone at any point12:26
willcookedavmor2, this is my test machine, so totally standard12:29
willcookedavmor2, a USB modeswitch from the cli makes it appear and work12:29
davmor2willcooke: right just double12:29
davmor2checking12:29
davmor2willcooke: right so sound like possibly one for cyphermox who fixed it last time12:29
davmor2willcooke: it might be that the fix got dropped by the new imports12:30
davmor2willcooke: but I thought that the fix came from upstream and was applied12:30
willcookeyeah, I think the fix was for a seg fault12:31
willcookethis /seems/ to now be that it didnt do the modeswitch12:31
willcookehumm12:31
willcookeidea...12:31
willcookemaybe it had mounted it as a usb drive12:31
willcookeand needed ejecting12:31
willcookebut that it wasnt in the laucher12:31
willcookeso I didnt try that12:31
davmor2willcooke: should switch automatically12:31
willcookelet's see....12:32
willcookeI'll just finishing setting up the APN and see what happens when I reboot12:32
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didrockspitti: ok, all large tests are passing but one (on the ~400 tests in total)13:22
didrockspitti: I don't know why when I'm extracting Unity3D, at some point, it's stopping and don't finish up. I'll need to add some debug, I guess it doesn't detect properly the end of the file or such…13:23
didrocksbut well, getting close :)13:23
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didrocksok, extract_all in tarfile is doing something weird on this FS inside qemu13:44
* didrocks removes exception handler to fetch more info13:45
pittididrocks: you mean on package installation, or doesn't it start?13:48
pittididrocks: for starting and 3D we might need some extra measures such as configuring the dummy driver13:48
didrockspitti: package installation13:48
didrocksI don't yet if it's failing or not :p13:49
didrocks(to start)13:49
desrtword up.14:07
willcookehey desrt14:07
didrocksmorning desrt14:08
desrthello willcooke and didrocks14:08
desrtwillcooke: happy to see you back :)14:09
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willcookedavmor2, hrm - seems to be working now.  Ignore :L)14:34
willcooke:)14:34
pittihey desrt!14:55
desrtbelated hello, pitti :)14:55
qenghoayan: hi14:57
* davmor2 forgets that willcooke ever said anything15:10
didrockspitti: btw, the issue with the end of file was the unity server which served invalid files for a couple of hours15:11
ayanqengho: hihi!15:16
pittic'est ça, mes amis -- je commence mes vacances :)16:00
pittiI wish you all some nice holidays!16:00
willcookecya pitti, happy Crimbo16:00
willcookeright, Christmas starts here.... good night all17:45
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